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Re: Reports about IAJGS Jerusalem conference #germany

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

MODERATOR NOTES:

1. If you attended the Conference last month an can tell us about any
*** facts *** that you learned in a conference session or at a repository
in Israel please share such information with us. (German - related only, please.)

2. If you have comments about what **you** believe to be strong or weak points
of the** GerSig** luncheon and or conference events please send these to our list.
I will pass such comments on to Werner Frank who usually plans the GerSig events
at the annual conferences.

3. You should send your comments about ** general ** conference management
to the IAJGS. The committe that's planning the 2005 Conference in Las Vegas
may appreciate your ideas.

4. Long Range Planning - The 2006 Conference will be in New York. I hope to have
an active role in planning that one. If you have any suggestions specific to
the 2006 New York event please let me know. John Paul Lowens, GerSig MOD 1

<sachs@nova.org> (Sid and Arlene Sachs) write:
You asked for more comments on the conference.

I agree with Donald Stein that Otra was a little off on their
registration, particularly if one wanted to go to the Gersig luncheon. I
got in line at 11:30. Fortunately we had not done whatever they had
suggested, to speed registration, as that line moved even slower. It was
12:10 when I finally got our packets, and I ran down for the luncheon
which officially started at 12:30. Obviously some people came in rather
late to the luncheon. Poor Esther Ramon had to talk (trying to talk over
the clinking silverware) while everyone was eating a rather very dry
chicken. I felt the luncheon was a low point, but I don't think it was
the Israeli's society's fault. The desert arrived after quite a few
people had left.

I have to disagree with his summary of the Central Archives. I was on the
very first shuttle bus >from the hotel to go there at 8 a.m. Monday. I had
a list of what I wanted and even some of the file numbers ready. I was
able to give that to them and they were able to start getting my files
while I did more research for others I wanted to see. My husband and I
were the only people there for a while. In the afternoon again it was
empty. I guess because people went to the Yad V'Shem talks. I was at the
archives until about 3. I was there again Tuesday afternoon, and again
Wednesday morning, and returned again the following Monday morning for
some more research. Instead of paying for a xerox copy of each document I
paid the same thing (1/2 a shekel) for each picture I took.

I found more than I would have though possible. Although I didn't get too
many new names going backwards, (maybe 5 or 6) I did get many proofs for
dates that I already had. I took about 150 pictures, finding information
on 7 of my great-grandparents families and ancestors. Only one of those
files were anything I had seen before. (Their Eberstadt records are also
found at the LDS family history library.) They had many volunteers there,
to help. One elderly gentleman, a German survivor, was there whenever I
was (during the conference) and a great help to me when I couldn't make
out a name. I tried not to monopolize him, as many of the researchers
could read no German at all and really needed his help a lot more than I did.

I would have been thrilled to find 5 or 6 documents total. I have been
attending conferences for over 10 years, and only one time found any
really new information, in a book at a library in Toronto the first time
they had a conference. I came back on a 'high' that you can't imagine!

I still have not been able to get it all entered into my PAF program. I
am afraid I might have mis-read a few of the documents, now that I have
had the time to study them more carefully.

For my husband I found the Fechenbach records only in a 3x5 photo of a
microfilm version. I found these totally impossible to read, although
others were working on those with a magnifying glass. I hope that some
time in the future the Archives will see fit to allow people to take
digital pictures that could be computer inhanced.

The late afternoon, dinner, tour and program at Yad V'Shem were superb. I
am glad that my husband and I were able to get to that. That was very
moving. As I wanted to concentrate on the material I could only get at
the Archives, I spent all my time there. Hopefully one day soon we will
have internet access to the Yad V'Shem material.

As an example of what I found.. Because of my gr.gr.grandfather's diaries
(see <http://BernhardCahn.com> if you don't know what I am talking about)
I knew exactly when my gr.gr.grandmother got married, including the
Rabbi's comments, who attended the wedding, etc. Since she did not get
married where she lived before or after the wedding, I never bothered
getting a certificate. However in the town, Bischofsheim, where she lived
with her husband, I found a registration of their marriage, indicating
that they had just gotten married in Dornheim and would now be living as
man and wife in Bischofsheim.

I was also particularly intrigued by lecture by Isak Gath - the very last
lecture on Friday. He spoke of the problem of using family lore (a story
written by Bernhard Cahn and printed in Der Israelit in 1867) as fact.
He was able to show that this article which has been quoted as a source by
many expert German researchers (Lowevstein, The Jewish Encyclopedia of
1908, etc.) for over 100 years had many errors. He was able to find
source documents >from the early 1700s to prove his point.

Having most of the German lectures scheduled together on Thursday morning
helped in that it freed one to use the research facilities on the days
other than the particular countries one was searching.

Arline Sachs Springfield, VA

searching western Germany, Baer in Kronberg; Wallerstein in Bischofsheim;
Rosenthal in Niederweidbach Marburg and Frankfurt AM; Astheimer in
Astheim, Wiesbaden, and Frankfurt; Simon in Eberstadt; Kahn in Alsace,
Hirsch Frankel b. 1668 in Vienna, d. 1740.


German SIG #Germany Re: Reports about IAJGS Jerusalem conference #germany

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

MODERATOR NOTES:

1. If you attended the Conference last month an can tell us about any
*** facts *** that you learned in a conference session or at a repository
in Israel please share such information with us. (German - related only, please.)

2. If you have comments about what **you** believe to be strong or weak points
of the** GerSig** luncheon and or conference events please send these to our list.
I will pass such comments on to Werner Frank who usually plans the GerSig events
at the annual conferences.

3. You should send your comments about ** general ** conference management
to the IAJGS. The committe that's planning the 2005 Conference in Las Vegas
may appreciate your ideas.

4. Long Range Planning - The 2006 Conference will be in New York. I hope to have
an active role in planning that one. If you have any suggestions specific to
the 2006 New York event please let me know. John Paul Lowens, GerSig MOD 1

<sachs@nova.org> (Sid and Arlene Sachs) write:
You asked for more comments on the conference.

I agree with Donald Stein that Otra was a little off on their
registration, particularly if one wanted to go to the Gersig luncheon. I
got in line at 11:30. Fortunately we had not done whatever they had
suggested, to speed registration, as that line moved even slower. It was
12:10 when I finally got our packets, and I ran down for the luncheon
which officially started at 12:30. Obviously some people came in rather
late to the luncheon. Poor Esther Ramon had to talk (trying to talk over
the clinking silverware) while everyone was eating a rather very dry
chicken. I felt the luncheon was a low point, but I don't think it was
the Israeli's society's fault. The desert arrived after quite a few
people had left.

I have to disagree with his summary of the Central Archives. I was on the
very first shuttle bus >from the hotel to go there at 8 a.m. Monday. I had
a list of what I wanted and even some of the file numbers ready. I was
able to give that to them and they were able to start getting my files
while I did more research for others I wanted to see. My husband and I
were the only people there for a while. In the afternoon again it was
empty. I guess because people went to the Yad V'Shem talks. I was at the
archives until about 3. I was there again Tuesday afternoon, and again
Wednesday morning, and returned again the following Monday morning for
some more research. Instead of paying for a xerox copy of each document I
paid the same thing (1/2 a shekel) for each picture I took.

I found more than I would have though possible. Although I didn't get too
many new names going backwards, (maybe 5 or 6) I did get many proofs for
dates that I already had. I took about 150 pictures, finding information
on 7 of my great-grandparents families and ancestors. Only one of those
files were anything I had seen before. (Their Eberstadt records are also
found at the LDS family history library.) They had many volunteers there,
to help. One elderly gentleman, a German survivor, was there whenever I
was (during the conference) and a great help to me when I couldn't make
out a name. I tried not to monopolize him, as many of the researchers
could read no German at all and really needed his help a lot more than I did.

I would have been thrilled to find 5 or 6 documents total. I have been
attending conferences for over 10 years, and only one time found any
really new information, in a book at a library in Toronto the first time
they had a conference. I came back on a 'high' that you can't imagine!

I still have not been able to get it all entered into my PAF program. I
am afraid I might have mis-read a few of the documents, now that I have
had the time to study them more carefully.

For my husband I found the Fechenbach records only in a 3x5 photo of a
microfilm version. I found these totally impossible to read, although
others were working on those with a magnifying glass. I hope that some
time in the future the Archives will see fit to allow people to take
digital pictures that could be computer inhanced.

The late afternoon, dinner, tour and program at Yad V'Shem were superb. I
am glad that my husband and I were able to get to that. That was very
moving. As I wanted to concentrate on the material I could only get at
the Archives, I spent all my time there. Hopefully one day soon we will
have internet access to the Yad V'Shem material.

As an example of what I found.. Because of my gr.gr.grandfather's diaries
(see <http://BernhardCahn.com> if you don't know what I am talking about)
I knew exactly when my gr.gr.grandmother got married, including the
Rabbi's comments, who attended the wedding, etc. Since she did not get
married where she lived before or after the wedding, I never bothered
getting a certificate. However in the town, Bischofsheim, where she lived
with her husband, I found a registration of their marriage, indicating
that they had just gotten married in Dornheim and would now be living as
man and wife in Bischofsheim.

I was also particularly intrigued by lecture by Isak Gath - the very last
lecture on Friday. He spoke of the problem of using family lore (a story
written by Bernhard Cahn and printed in Der Israelit in 1867) as fact.
He was able to show that this article which has been quoted as a source by
many expert German researchers (Lowevstein, The Jewish Encyclopedia of
1908, etc.) for over 100 years had many errors. He was able to find
source documents >from the early 1700s to prove his point.

Having most of the German lectures scheduled together on Thursday morning
helped in that it freed one to use the research facilities on the days
other than the particular countries one was searching.

Arline Sachs Springfield, VA

searching western Germany, Baer in Kronberg; Wallerstein in Bischofsheim;
Rosenthal in Niederweidbach Marburg and Frankfurt AM; Astheimer in
Astheim, Wiesbaden, and Frankfurt; Simon in Eberstadt; Kahn in Alsace,
Hirsch Frankel b. 1668 in Vienna, d. 1740.


Any Connection with SCHNEIDER and SANDLER or SIEGEL #general

Yehudah30@...
 

I am trying to connect the SCHNEIDER's with a name change to SANDLER or SIEGEL.
They should have come >from Lithuania 1890-1946. Any help would be appreciated.

Yehudah ben Shlomo


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Any Connection with SCHNEIDER and SANDLER or SIEGEL #general

Yehudah30@...
 

I am trying to connect the SCHNEIDER's with a name change to SANDLER or SIEGEL.
They should have come >from Lithuania 1890-1946. Any help would be appreciated.

Yehudah ben Shlomo


Polish Help Needed #general

Josev <jking44@...>
 

Hi everyone,

can anyone suggest where i might get information on people >from Ostriwiec ?,
especially those who died in the camps.

Also, I know of a 20 page deposition that was made to the Polish goverment, but I
cant remember where it was that I found it to begin with, could someone please
point me in the right direction there ?

thank you

Josev King

email: jking44@ntlworld.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish Help Needed #general

Josev <jking44@...>
 

Hi everyone,

can anyone suggest where i might get information on people >from Ostriwiec ?,
especially those who died in the camps.

Also, I know of a 20 page deposition that was made to the Polish goverment, but I
cant remember where it was that I found it to begin with, could someone please
point me in the right direction there ?

thank you

Josev King

email: jking44@ntlworld.com


Towns: Orbertz and Dolman #general

Robert Dodell <RADodell@...>
 

Anyone heard of these towns?
Orbertz, Poland (maybe in Belarus now?)
Dolman Austria

Told family >from there. Want to confirm the location / names.

Robert A. Dodell
E-mail: RADodell@Worldnet.att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Towns: Orbertz and Dolman #general

Robert Dodell <RADodell@...>
 

Anyone heard of these towns?
Orbertz, Poland (maybe in Belarus now?)
Dolman Austria

Told family >from there. Want to confirm the location / names.

Robert A. Dodell
E-mail: RADodell@Worldnet.att.net


Researching: WAJSENBERG #general

mark
 

Shalom to everybody
I am searching WAJSENBERG family my granduncle Icchok Meir WAJSENBERG 1881-1938
was yiddish writer lived in Zelechow Bialystok Warsaw Lodz
BRANDWAJN family lived in Ostrog Zdolbunow
BEJZMAN lived in Novograd Volhynskij
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net
***
MODERATOR NOTE: To increase your chances of success, don't forget to list your
surnames of interest in the JewishGen Family Finder,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


Viewmate Polish Translation of Age #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

Dear Genners,

I have posted the 1829 Polish death document for Berek SPITZBERG on Viewmate
(Viewmate 4613). I would like to know Berek's age. The address is
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4613

Thanks to anyone who can help.
Please reply privately.

Jackie Wasserstein
East Meadow, New York

Searching: GELLER-Yarmolintsy, GRANAT-Slutsk, WASSERSTEIN-Lomza, SPITZBERG-Pilica


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching: WAJSENBERG #general

mark
 

Shalom to everybody
I am searching WAJSENBERG family my granduncle Icchok Meir WAJSENBERG 1881-1938
was yiddish writer lived in Zelechow Bialystok Warsaw Lodz
BRANDWAJN family lived in Ostrog Zdolbunow
BEJZMAN lived in Novograd Volhynskij
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net
***
MODERATOR NOTE: To increase your chances of success, don't forget to list your
surnames of interest in the JewishGen Family Finder,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate Polish Translation of Age #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

Dear Genners,

I have posted the 1829 Polish death document for Berek SPITZBERG on Viewmate
(Viewmate 4613). I would like to know Berek's age. The address is
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4613

Thanks to anyone who can help.
Please reply privately.

Jackie Wasserstein
East Meadow, New York

Searching: GELLER-Yarmolintsy, GRANAT-Slutsk, WASSERSTEIN-Lomza, SPITZBERG-Pilica


Houses in the Pale #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

This is just to thank Cynthia Spikell for giving us her father's description of at
least one sort of Jewish house in a Lithuanian shtetl (I don't know if it
described a poor person's house or someone in the middle, or at the top of the
ladder). I heard >from my mother, "they had a dirt floor," and that was it. If
others have such concise and evocative descriptions of ancestral homes, I would
love to see them.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

BELKIN (Borisov, Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai), MELNICK, LIBERMAN ha COHEN
(Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo), ORLIN (Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves, Zasliai),
MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN, HABERMAN, WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim, Deretchin),
WOLINSKY (Boguslav, Odessa, Alexandria, Palestine), ADELSON (Wysokidwor, Trakai),
KABATCHNIK & FINN (Vilnius), SUHER/SUCHETT (Kovno)


Find Rachela's Family #general

JELORRAINE
 

Dear Genners: I seem to have reached a dead end so I turn once more to my genner
friends. Rachela Glatzer arrived in New York age 15 in 1912. She came wih her
mother Mire Uceier age 55 >from Buczacz, Ukraine. . Rachela married at a very
young age as appears on a bridal picture taken by a photographer D Goodman at 159
Rivington St. hasto be 1912 to 1917,18. She settled in the Bronx , I do not know
her marriage name. Her Sister Rose Glatzer Hager died in Calif. If any of this
rings a bell It would be greatly appreciated.
Jewel Glatzer
jelorraine@aol.com
***
MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen FamilyFinder at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ provides a forum for researchers to post family
names they are searching


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Houses in the Pale #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

This is just to thank Cynthia Spikell for giving us her father's description of at
least one sort of Jewish house in a Lithuanian shtetl (I don't know if it
described a poor person's house or someone in the middle, or at the top of the
ladder). I heard >from my mother, "they had a dirt floor," and that was it. If
others have such concise and evocative descriptions of ancestral homes, I would
love to see them.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

BELKIN (Borisov, Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai), MELNICK, LIBERMAN ha COHEN
(Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo), ORLIN (Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves, Zasliai),
MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN, HABERMAN, WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim, Deretchin),
WOLINSKY (Boguslav, Odessa, Alexandria, Palestine), ADELSON (Wysokidwor, Trakai),
KABATCHNIK & FINN (Vilnius), SUHER/SUCHETT (Kovno)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Find Rachela's Family #general

JELORRAINE
 

Dear Genners: I seem to have reached a dead end so I turn once more to my genner
friends. Rachela Glatzer arrived in New York age 15 in 1912. She came wih her
mother Mire Uceier age 55 >from Buczacz, Ukraine. . Rachela married at a very
young age as appears on a bridal picture taken by a photographer D Goodman at 159
Rivington St. hasto be 1912 to 1917,18. She settled in the Bronx , I do not know
her marriage name. Her Sister Rose Glatzer Hager died in Calif. If any of this
rings a bell It would be greatly appreciated.
Jewel Glatzer
jelorraine@aol.com
***
MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen FamilyFinder at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ provides a forum for researchers to post family
names they are searching


Re: Providing a Family Name Where None Existed #general

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

I, for one, would love to know and learn more about it. My paternal grandmother's
last name is WINOGRAD (and there are many other WINOGRADs out there..none related)
but she comes >from Winograd and used that name as their last name.
Joan Parker
Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Miami, FL
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine,
Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

One solution seems to be to adopt the system common in the Prussian Empire
and eastern Europe and to bestow a putative family name i.e. the given name
of the father, as found in the patronymic.
*snip*
For example, Moshe, whose father was Yaakov ben Yehezkel, would have the
patronymic Moshe ben Yaakov (for synagogue) which was usually simplified in
civilian life to Moshe Yaakov, so that Yaakov became the new "family name" for
one generation.. May I invite comments on a proposal to exploit this custom in
order to give family names in places where they do not exist? Do readers
consider it a legitimate procedure?
Harold Lewin - Jerusalem


Re: Surname Selection #general

blacknus <blacknus@...>
 

Aubrey Jacobus asked:

<snip>
The question I ask do listers have good evidence that an adopted surname was
selected at random or by a whim <snip>
Our family name chose one toponym over another. The original name of my
Dunaberg/Dvinsk/Daugavpils family was TRUPIN (according to Beider, >from the shtetl
Trupy). The changed name, appearing in U.S. records circa 1888 (two years after
immigration), was DINBERG.

Interestingly, only my own branch of this family, beginning with my great-
grandfather Ze'ev Wolf TRUPIN, changed to DINBERG. The remainder of this large
mispocha stuck with TRUPIN. No reason is known for the switch.

I was able to connect the two families by matching Ze'ev Wolf DINBERG, his wife,
and their children known to have been born in Vitebsk with Ze'ev Wolf TRUPIN, his
wife, and their children as listed in the family fond held at the Latvian State
Historical Archive. The Archive yielded wonderful information that linked up the
two families and pushed the generations back to about 1800. Lucky for us, both
TRUPIN and DINBERG are rare names ... making the search easier and the assumptions
more certain.

Donna Dinberg
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
blacknus@igs.net

Searching: TRUPIN, SIMON, MEYEROWITZ, MESNIK, plus SCHRIER, COOPER, WILENSKY,
COHEN, AARONSON, ZIMMERMAN, ZINKER, others


Please Answer Publicly about the Traveling Menorah #general

Susanna Vendel <svendel@...>
 

Would it be possible to let the person who can answer Donna Rice's question, give
the answer publicly, here?
I suppose the answer is very interesting and could teach us about our Jewish
history.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Providing a Family Name Where None Existed #general

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

I, for one, would love to know and learn more about it. My paternal grandmother's
last name is WINOGRAD (and there are many other WINOGRADs out there..none related)
but she comes >from Winograd and used that name as their last name.
Joan Parker
Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Miami, FL
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine,
Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

One solution seems to be to adopt the system common in the Prussian Empire
and eastern Europe and to bestow a putative family name i.e. the given name
of the father, as found in the patronymic.
*snip*
For example, Moshe, whose father was Yaakov ben Yehezkel, would have the
patronymic Moshe ben Yaakov (for synagogue) which was usually simplified in
civilian life to Moshe Yaakov, so that Yaakov became the new "family name" for
one generation.. May I invite comments on a proposal to exploit this custom in
order to give family names in places where they do not exist? Do readers
consider it a legitimate procedure?
Harold Lewin - Jerusalem