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Re: VERGOTTINI - Italians who moved to South Africa #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:12:12 UTC, annrab@bellsouth.net (Ann Rabinowitz)
opined:

The name does not appear to be Jewish, but Italian, and none of the
references to the family dating back to 1824 which appear in the South
African National Archives provide any indication that they were of Jewish
origin. There are 114 references to the name which you can look through for
further info on the family.

It is always possible that your gggrandmother or her family converted or the
connection was so far back that no one remembers it. If there was a
conversion, in whatever country, the parish register where the family lived
would indicate this probably.

Go to the following to look up Vergottini:

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300gi?200410280937372826DB86%26DB%3DRSAE

You can also look in Google under Vergottini, Jews, and there are some
references including those written by various people named Vergottini which
may lead you to connections to the Jewish community.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net
On Google, search also for VERGOTINE. The family that spells its name thus
is also of Italian extraction, and has representatives in South Africa and
the US.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
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there.


Romanian surnames- Thank you for your help #general

Ruth Moltz <melibea2@...>
 

I wish to say a heartfelt "Thank You!" to the many
people who responded to my question, both on the list
and personally.

As is common, the answer to one question has led to a
number of additional questions which I will be
tackling in the next steps of my search for the roots
of my great-grandfather Abraham LANG born 1850 in ???,
immigrated >from Bucarest in late 1800s to New York
then Montreal, died 1907 in Montreal.

Ruth Lang Moltz
Beverly Hills, MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: VERGOTTINI - Italians who moved to South Africa #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:12:12 UTC, annrab@bellsouth.net (Ann Rabinowitz)
opined:

The name does not appear to be Jewish, but Italian, and none of the
references to the family dating back to 1824 which appear in the South
African National Archives provide any indication that they were of Jewish
origin. There are 114 references to the name which you can look through for
further info on the family.

It is always possible that your gggrandmother or her family converted or the
connection was so far back that no one remembers it. If there was a
conversion, in whatever country, the parish register where the family lived
would indicate this probably.

Go to the following to look up Vergottini:

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300gi?200410280937372826DB86%26DB%3DRSAE

You can also look in Google under Vergottini, Jews, and there are some
references including those written by various people named Vergottini which
may lead you to connections to the Jewish community.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net
On Google, search also for VERGOTINE. The family that spells its name thus
is also of Italian extraction, and has representatives in South Africa and
the US.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Romanian surnames- Thank you for your help #general

Ruth Moltz <melibea2@...>
 

I wish to say a heartfelt "Thank You!" to the many
people who responded to my question, both on the list
and personally.

As is common, the answer to one question has led to a
number of additional questions which I will be
tackling in the next steps of my search for the roots
of my great-grandfather Abraham LANG born 1850 in ???,
immigrated >from Bucarest in late 1800s to New York
then Montreal, died 1907 in Montreal.

Ruth Lang Moltz
Beverly Hills, MI


Lost property in Poland #general

Natalie Spencer Carroll
 

Dear Genners,

Our family believes we have lost property in Poland. What is the process to
locate the property and make a claim for the loss(es)? We think we know the
approximate locations of the property. Thank you for your help.

Gerald I Simon
gilmore3@ix.netcom.com

Simon Carroll
gilmore3@ix.netcom.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lost property in Poland #general

Natalie Spencer Carroll
 

Dear Genners,

Our family believes we have lost property in Poland. What is the process to
locate the property and make a claim for the loss(es)? We think we know the
approximate locations of the property. Thank you for your help.

Gerald I Simon
gilmore3@ix.netcom.com

Simon Carroll
gilmore3@ix.netcom.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Burial Societies in Israel #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Dear Joan,
Here is the website we prepared in preparation for the conference in
Jerusalem last July.
You will find the addresses in English and their phone numbers. I suggest
you try the Prushim and give them as much info as possible.
http://www.isragen.org.il/ROS/ARCHIVES/Hevra%20Kadish.html
Good Luck,
Rose Feldman
Secretary Tel-Aviv Branch of the Israel Genealogical Society
rosef@post.tau.ac.il
Join the Israel Genealogical Society (IGS)
and receive our Journal "Sharsheret Hadorot"
Society branches are in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Negev (Beer Sheva), Netanya.
Visit our forum in hebrew at the ynet SITE - www.ynet.co.il/shorashim


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Burial Societies in Israel #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Dear Joan,
Here is the website we prepared in preparation for the conference in
Jerusalem last July.
You will find the addresses in English and their phone numbers. I suggest
you try the Prushim and give them as much info as possible.
http://www.isragen.org.il/ROS/ARCHIVES/Hevra%20Kadish.html
Good Luck,
Rose Feldman
Secretary Tel-Aviv Branch of the Israel Genealogical Society
rosef@post.tau.ac.il
Join the Israel Genealogical Society (IGS)
and receive our Journal "Sharsheret Hadorot"
Society branches are in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Negev (Beer Sheva), Netanya.
Visit our forum in hebrew at the ynet SITE - www.ynet.co.il/shorashim


VM 4904 (Yiddish translation), VM 4905 (naturalization petitions) #general

WALTER SPECTOR
 

Dear Genners,

I have two items on Viewmate. Vm 4904 is a postcard that needs a yddish
translation. Can anyone help?

The second item, VM 4905, is >from two naturalization petitions. My ggrandmother
and her brother were born in the town indicated. Can anyone give me the correct
spelling and locate the town, today?

Than you in advance

Walter Spector
educonser@comcast.net

Searching: SPECTOR- Zaslov-Woodbine NJ-Philadelphia PA; AB(EBY)
Rushany-Woodbine NJ-Philadelphia PA; BECKER- Rovno Philadelphia PA Brooklyn NY:
SELTZER (ZELTZER)Rovno,Klevan, Alexandria;-Brooklyn NY
LONDE, LANDAU, LONDON, LANDER, Proskrov-Philadelphia PA
GREENSTEIN-Boston MA: PITKOWSKI

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to view the images. Click on the thumbnail to enlarge each image.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM 4904 (Yiddish translation), VM 4905 (naturalization petitions) #general

WALTER SPECTOR
 

Dear Genners,

I have two items on Viewmate. Vm 4904 is a postcard that needs a yddish
translation. Can anyone help?

The second item, VM 4905, is >from two naturalization petitions. My ggrandmother
and her brother were born in the town indicated. Can anyone give me the correct
spelling and locate the town, today?

Than you in advance

Walter Spector
educonser@comcast.net

Searching: SPECTOR- Zaslov-Woodbine NJ-Philadelphia PA; AB(EBY)
Rushany-Woodbine NJ-Philadelphia PA; BECKER- Rovno Philadelphia PA Brooklyn NY:
SELTZER (ZELTZER)Rovno,Klevan, Alexandria;-Brooklyn NY
LONDE, LANDAU, LONDON, LANDER, Proskrov-Philadelphia PA
GREENSTEIN-Boston MA: PITKOWSKI

MODERATOR NOTE: Go to http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp
to view the images. Click on the thumbnail to enlarge each image.


kovel ukraine #poland

zemi <mmz@...>
 

hello
1. as all my fathers family disappeared >from KOVEL UKRAINE in 1942
I would like to know if there is any kind of group researching that area.
2. my other ancestral area is TOMASZOW LUBELSKI
KOMAROW- LUBLIN POLAND.
hav'nt found anyone researching that area either, please let me know if
there is one so I can join.
thanks
zelick mendelovich

MODERATOR'S NOTE: If you go to the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland
home page at < www.jri-poland.org > click on "Your Town" and then
scroll down to the page for Tomaszow Lubelski, you will find the
names and e-mail addresses for both the town's Shtetl CO-OP
Coordinator and Town Leader.


JRI Poland #Poland kovel ukraine #poland

zemi <mmz@...>
 

hello
1. as all my fathers family disappeared >from KOVEL UKRAINE in 1942
I would like to know if there is any kind of group researching that area.
2. my other ancestral area is TOMASZOW LUBELSKI
KOMAROW- LUBLIN POLAND.
hav'nt found anyone researching that area either, please let me know if
there is one so I can join.
thanks
zelick mendelovich

MODERATOR'S NOTE: If you go to the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland
home page at < www.jri-poland.org > click on "Your Town" and then
scroll down to the page for Tomaszow Lubelski, you will find the
names and e-mail addresses for both the town's Shtetl CO-OP
Coordinator and Town Leader.


Translation #poland

Ginger de Winter <ginger@...>
 

Can someone please translate the words "inkasent towarzys" and
"talmudysta", they are occupations.

Thanks in advance

Ginger de Winter


JRI Poland #Poland Translation #poland

Ginger de Winter <ginger@...>
 

Can someone please translate the words "inkasent towarzys" and
"talmudysta", they are occupations.

Thanks in advance

Ginger de Winter


Jonava Vital Records #lithuania

Peggy Freedman <peggyf@...>
 

The Jonava Viital Records have already been indexed -- check out the Jonava
Shtetlinks site for more information
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Jonava/

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, Georgia

At 02:00 AM 10/28/2004, you wrote:
Subject: Update on Lithuanian Vital Records Project - week of October 24,2004
From: "Joel Ratner" <joelrat1@hotmail.com>
The purpose of this bulletin is to advise Litvaks interested in the Vital
Records Indexing Project of the incremental progress of the project. It is
also intended to advise you of the needs of the project as well.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Jonava Vital Records #lithuania

Peggy Freedman <peggyf@...>
 

The Jonava Viital Records have already been indexed -- check out the Jonava
Shtetlinks site for more information
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Jonava/

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, Georgia

At 02:00 AM 10/28/2004, you wrote:
Subject: Update on Lithuanian Vital Records Project - week of October 24,2004
From: "Joel Ratner" <joelrat1@hotmail.com>
The purpose of this bulletin is to advise Litvaks interested in the Vital
Records Indexing Project of the incremental progress of the project. It is
also intended to advise you of the needs of the project as well.


Re: Looking for information on Dr. YAAKOV (JACOB) ROBINSON (1889-1977) #lithuania

Carlos Glikson
 

I'm writing a PhD on Dr. YAAKOV (JACOB) ROBINSON and the Institute of
Jewish Affairs (which he founded) at the Simon-Dubnow-Institute for
Jewish History and Culture in Leipzig, Germany ...
looking for any information concerning family, biography, work ...
He was born in SEREJ (SEIRIJAI) in 1889. ..had at least five brothers...
NATHAN...

Hello Omry,

My name is Carlos Glikson, in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Dr. Nathan ROBINSON,
who I remember mentioned as an eminence in solar energy and researching in
the Technion, was a relative of my father. Prof. Nathan Robinson visited
Buenos Aires. I believe he was advising the government or universities on
his research subject. I have a picture of him with my father taken during
the visit.

You mention Nathan was born in Vishtinetz (Vistytis), and Yaacov was born in
Serej (Seirijai). My father was born in Marijampole, and the family lived in
Suwalki before WW I , but my great grandfather, Chonel Berko POKROJSKI,
father of my paternal grandmother, was born in Serej.

My father was a few years younger than Dr. Robinson . I do not remember the
date of the visit - perhaps in the late 50s or early 60s. You mention Nathan
died in 1964. I was then a boy. My dear father has passed away, and my
mother does not remember what was the exact relation was between Nathan and
my father. She believes Nathan ROBINSON was married to a cousin of my
father. Unfortunately, I do not know this relative's name. Do you know the
name and maiden name of Nathan's wife, or if they had any children, and if
so, anything about their whereabouts?

My grandmother was Paulina (Pesza) POKROJSKI. Some of her siblings used
their father's last name, POKROJSKI/ POKROISKY. Others adopted the name
HOLLANDER, probably once abroad, derived >from my great grandmother's maiden
name: HOLLANDERSKY / GOLENDERSKI. I mention the names in case you come
across them.

My mother remembers some talk about school times between Nathan and my
father. That would have been about 40 or more years before the 1950s or
1960s visit, and over 80 years >from now. My mother does not remember if the
talk was about my father and Dr. Robinson attending the same school in
Suwalki, or Dr. Robinson meeting his future wife (my father's cousin?) as a
teenager while they went to the same school (in Serej?).

I only learned the names of Nathan's father and siblings through your mail.
I ignored his father's name was David, but I had previously saved a mention
in
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/serey/sereyap.html
naming David ROBINZON under the title "The reporters >from Serey in the
Hebrew periodicals "HaMelitz", "HaTsefirah" and "HaMagid".

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland < www.jri-poland.org >
includes these records for Sereje PSA-Births, Marriages, Deaths 1850/ 1900

Surname Givenname Year Type Akt
ROBINSON Oszer Hirsz Chemiowicz 1857 B 9
RABINSON Fejga Chemiowna 1859 B 35
RABINSON Dawid Chemiowicz 1861 B 40
RABINSON Rywa Sora Chemiowna 1864 B 15
RABINSON Szejna Chaia 1868 B 9
RABINSON Szejna Dawidowna 1859 D 18
RABINSON Rubin Szmul Dawidowicz 1861 D 5
RABINZON Wigdor Josel 1889 D 11

Checking the All Lithuania Database < www.jewishgen.org/litvak/ >for
variant spellings and the places you mention, the Hamelitz Database
(an index to lists of names and announcements that were printed in the
Hebrew newspaper HaMelitz duringthe years 1893 to 1903) has three
mentions for

ROBINZOHN Dovid, government teacher, Vistytis, Lith., in Hamelitz #57 1897,
#139 1898 and #85 1899 , and a

ROBINZOHN Ch D, Vistytis, Lith., for #99 1898


The HaMagid Persian Famine Donation Lists of Donors >from Lithuania for 1871
and 1872 includes

RABINZOHN Eliezer, Vistytis, Lith. Hamaggid #42 1871, and a

ROBENSOHN Beinish in Marijampole - I mention him because my father was born
there.

Again considering spelling variants widely and in case there was a
connection, I also saved >from the Serey ShtetlLinks webpage,

Serey (Seirijai) - Written by Joseph Rosin
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/serey/Serey1a.html
a paragraph which mentions

"Intellectually gifted youngsters, who did not have the possibility or the
means to get secular books, received various books >from the "Society for
Spreading Knowledge among the Jews" in Russia. The Hebrew newspaper
"HaMeilitz" dated Dec. 28, 1880, published in St. Petersburg, included a
letter of gratitude to this society, signed by Asher-Tsvi Rabinson on behalf
of the youngsters."

and

"The Rabbis who served in Serey during this period were: . Gershon
Rabinson, served >from 1876, died in 1908 in Cleveland".

I would be grateful for any information if you know the name of the wife or
children of Dr. Nathan ROBINSON, or if you come across the last names
GLIKSON, POKROISKY/ POKROJSKI, or HOLLANDERSKY/ GOLENDERSKI in your
research.

I am sorry I have no other leads or information on Dr. Nathan Robinson or
his family, and that my scanner is out of order, but I can have his picture
easily scanned. Please let me know if you want his picture, I´ll be happy to
mail it to you.

Best wishes,

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires, Argentina

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although this is a private message, we are including it
on the list because -- as usual -- Carlos Glikson provides such helpful
suggestions for research resources. How nice that this time it may bring
him information about his own family.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Looking for information on Dr. YAAKOV (JACOB) ROBINSON (1889-1977) #lithuania

Carlos Glikson
 

I'm writing a PhD on Dr. YAAKOV (JACOB) ROBINSON and the Institute of
Jewish Affairs (which he founded) at the Simon-Dubnow-Institute for
Jewish History and Culture in Leipzig, Germany ...
looking for any information concerning family, biography, work ...
He was born in SEREJ (SEIRIJAI) in 1889. ..had at least five brothers...
NATHAN...

Hello Omry,

My name is Carlos Glikson, in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Dr. Nathan ROBINSON,
who I remember mentioned as an eminence in solar energy and researching in
the Technion, was a relative of my father. Prof. Nathan Robinson visited
Buenos Aires. I believe he was advising the government or universities on
his research subject. I have a picture of him with my father taken during
the visit.

You mention Nathan was born in Vishtinetz (Vistytis), and Yaacov was born in
Serej (Seirijai). My father was born in Marijampole, and the family lived in
Suwalki before WW I , but my great grandfather, Chonel Berko POKROJSKI,
father of my paternal grandmother, was born in Serej.

My father was a few years younger than Dr. Robinson . I do not remember the
date of the visit - perhaps in the late 50s or early 60s. You mention Nathan
died in 1964. I was then a boy. My dear father has passed away, and my
mother does not remember what was the exact relation was between Nathan and
my father. She believes Nathan ROBINSON was married to a cousin of my
father. Unfortunately, I do not know this relative's name. Do you know the
name and maiden name of Nathan's wife, or if they had any children, and if
so, anything about their whereabouts?

My grandmother was Paulina (Pesza) POKROJSKI. Some of her siblings used
their father's last name, POKROJSKI/ POKROISKY. Others adopted the name
HOLLANDER, probably once abroad, derived >from my great grandmother's maiden
name: HOLLANDERSKY / GOLENDERSKI. I mention the names in case you come
across them.

My mother remembers some talk about school times between Nathan and my
father. That would have been about 40 or more years before the 1950s or
1960s visit, and over 80 years >from now. My mother does not remember if the
talk was about my father and Dr. Robinson attending the same school in
Suwalki, or Dr. Robinson meeting his future wife (my father's cousin?) as a
teenager while they went to the same school (in Serej?).

I only learned the names of Nathan's father and siblings through your mail.
I ignored his father's name was David, but I had previously saved a mention
in
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/serey/sereyap.html
naming David ROBINZON under the title "The reporters >from Serey in the
Hebrew periodicals "HaMelitz", "HaTsefirah" and "HaMagid".

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland < www.jri-poland.org >
includes these records for Sereje PSA-Births, Marriages, Deaths 1850/ 1900

Surname Givenname Year Type Akt
ROBINSON Oszer Hirsz Chemiowicz 1857 B 9
RABINSON Fejga Chemiowna 1859 B 35
RABINSON Dawid Chemiowicz 1861 B 40
RABINSON Rywa Sora Chemiowna 1864 B 15
RABINSON Szejna Chaia 1868 B 9
RABINSON Szejna Dawidowna 1859 D 18
RABINSON Rubin Szmul Dawidowicz 1861 D 5
RABINZON Wigdor Josel 1889 D 11

Checking the All Lithuania Database < www.jewishgen.org/litvak/ >for
variant spellings and the places you mention, the Hamelitz Database
(an index to lists of names and announcements that were printed in the
Hebrew newspaper HaMelitz duringthe years 1893 to 1903) has three
mentions for

ROBINZOHN Dovid, government teacher, Vistytis, Lith., in Hamelitz #57 1897,
#139 1898 and #85 1899 , and a

ROBINZOHN Ch D, Vistytis, Lith., for #99 1898


The HaMagid Persian Famine Donation Lists of Donors >from Lithuania for 1871
and 1872 includes

RABINZOHN Eliezer, Vistytis, Lith. Hamaggid #42 1871, and a

ROBENSOHN Beinish in Marijampole - I mention him because my father was born
there.

Again considering spelling variants widely and in case there was a
connection, I also saved >from the Serey ShtetlLinks webpage,

Serey (Seirijai) - Written by Joseph Rosin
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/serey/Serey1a.html
a paragraph which mentions

"Intellectually gifted youngsters, who did not have the possibility or the
means to get secular books, received various books >from the "Society for
Spreading Knowledge among the Jews" in Russia. The Hebrew newspaper
"HaMeilitz" dated Dec. 28, 1880, published in St. Petersburg, included a
letter of gratitude to this society, signed by Asher-Tsvi Rabinson on behalf
of the youngsters."

and

"The Rabbis who served in Serey during this period were: . Gershon
Rabinson, served >from 1876, died in 1908 in Cleveland".

I would be grateful for any information if you know the name of the wife or
children of Dr. Nathan ROBINSON, or if you come across the last names
GLIKSON, POKROISKY/ POKROJSKI, or HOLLANDERSKY/ GOLENDERSKI in your
research.

I am sorry I have no other leads or information on Dr. Nathan Robinson or
his family, and that my scanner is out of order, but I can have his picture
easily scanned. Please let me know if you want his picture, I´ll be happy to
mail it to you.

Best wishes,

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires, Argentina

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although this is a private message, we are including it
on the list because -- as usual -- Carlos Glikson provides such helpful
suggestions for research resources. How nice that this time it may bring
him information about his own family.


German translation requested #germany

Judith Berlowitz <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear GerSiggers,
I have posted on Viewmate
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate
File VM4931, a brief inscription >from the autograph book of my ggrandmother,
Rosa ALEXANDER FRESCHL. I believe it is >from her father-in-law to be,
Philip FRESCHL. I would greatly appreciate a translation into English and a
reading of the first initial of the writer.

Judith Berlowitz Berkeley, California


German SIG #Germany German translation requested #germany

Judith Berlowitz <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear GerSiggers,
I have posted on Viewmate
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate
File VM4931, a brief inscription >from the autograph book of my ggrandmother,
Rosa ALEXANDER FRESCHL. I believe it is >from her father-in-law to be,
Philip FRESCHL. I would greatly appreciate a translation into English and a
reading of the first initial of the writer.

Judith Berlowitz Berkeley, California