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Re: INTRO- researching ABRAHAM family from Baden early 19th Century #germany

Brian Stern <brians99@...>
 

Rebecca Stoneham is seeking information about her gg-grandfather Israel
(Ira) ABRAHAM, born 1838 in Baden.
If you search the "Jewish Records at the Family History Library Database"
at JewishGen you'll find that they hold BMD records for Strumpfelbrunn in
Baden. These will likely have the birth record for your man and other
records for his family.

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/FHLC/

Most of the Baden metrical records have been filmed by the FHL.

Brian Stern Lexington, KY <brians99@earthlink.net>


German SIG #Germany RE: INTRO- researching ABRAHAM family from Baden early 19th Century #germany

Brian Stern <brians99@...>
 

Rebecca Stoneham is seeking information about her gg-grandfather Israel
(Ira) ABRAHAM, born 1838 in Baden.
If you search the "Jewish Records at the Family History Library Database"
at JewishGen you'll find that they hold BMD records for Strumpfelbrunn in
Baden. These will likely have the birth record for your man and other
records for his family.

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/FHLC/

Most of the Baden metrical records have been filmed by the FHL.

Brian Stern Lexington, KY <brians99@earthlink.net>


Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Yisrael Asper
 

I have relatives who are by now very distant in relationship and don't need a
genealogist to tell them they are related. All they have to do is look at a
wedding invitation. They would be insulted to be kicked out of a tree or a
wedding invitation. How I would get information on them is like anyone in the
family. When there are as I said settled conditions you can have two people
being the farthest distant cousins and it wouldn't make a difference. Jews have
unfortunately experienced too many unsettled conditions. I doubt Franklin Delano
Roosevelt wondered if he could call Eleanor Roosevelt his fifth cousin on a family
tree only, or a full fledged cousin to be invited to a family wedding
even before their own. I must say Nick that until you brought it up I thought I
was perhaps the only one on the planet to make a distinction between a family
tree relative and a "Relative." The problem is more trying to convince relatives
you really are a relative on a tree even. If not for the Holocaust a lot of
relatives would have known of each other's existence. I had so many relatives
living in Vienna, Austria before the war. It would have looked funny for them to
put a division between them. After the Holocaust you
had searches made for relatives. A failed attempt by a parent or grandparent
should mean the end of a search? Not for me. If information is out there you can
get it. How you use it online should be as discreet as you would want for your
nondiscovery needed family. One problem which had been in the Holocaust
generation that we may not have experienced directly but has caused also
genealogical ignorance was\is the phenomenon of children (by now parents and
grandparents themselves) being afraid to ask their parents about their family
too much for fear of causing them pain. This phenomenon probably was repeated
throughout Jewish history.

Yisrael Asper [Descendent of the Noda Byehuda, the Magen Avraham, the Pnei
Yehoshua, the daughter of the Yismach Moshe and a sister of Rav Meir Arak and
thus a descendent of the Taz and his fatherinlaw the Bach. My father's father
was a Gerer Chassid born and partially raised in London and later in Lodz who
was a Shochet and Bodek in Bnei Brak called Rav Yitzchak Yerachmiel Aspes. His
father was called Rav Shraga Feivel Aspes >from Lodz. Rav Shraga Feivel Aspes
was >from the family Ashpez. Either his wife or him had a sister married to a
Grunblatt who was the grandmother of Rabbi Joseph Grunblatt.]
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

...we Jews and genealogists are part of the society we live in, and...
protections have been set up for a reason.

Nick Landau
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Yisrael Asper
 

I have relatives who are by now very distant in relationship and don't need a
genealogist to tell them they are related. All they have to do is look at a
wedding invitation. They would be insulted to be kicked out of a tree or a
wedding invitation. How I would get information on them is like anyone in the
family. When there are as I said settled conditions you can have two people
being the farthest distant cousins and it wouldn't make a difference. Jews have
unfortunately experienced too many unsettled conditions. I doubt Franklin Delano
Roosevelt wondered if he could call Eleanor Roosevelt his fifth cousin on a family
tree only, or a full fledged cousin to be invited to a family wedding
even before their own. I must say Nick that until you brought it up I thought I
was perhaps the only one on the planet to make a distinction between a family
tree relative and a "Relative." The problem is more trying to convince relatives
you really are a relative on a tree even. If not for the Holocaust a lot of
relatives would have known of each other's existence. I had so many relatives
living in Vienna, Austria before the war. It would have looked funny for them to
put a division between them. After the Holocaust you
had searches made for relatives. A failed attempt by a parent or grandparent
should mean the end of a search? Not for me. If information is out there you can
get it. How you use it online should be as discreet as you would want for your
nondiscovery needed family. One problem which had been in the Holocaust
generation that we may not have experienced directly but has caused also
genealogical ignorance was\is the phenomenon of children (by now parents and
grandparents themselves) being afraid to ask their parents about their family
too much for fear of causing them pain. This phenomenon probably was repeated
throughout Jewish history.

Yisrael Asper [Descendent of the Noda Byehuda, the Magen Avraham, the Pnei
Yehoshua, the daughter of the Yismach Moshe and a sister of Rav Meir Arak and
thus a descendent of the Taz and his fatherinlaw the Bach. My father's father
was a Gerer Chassid born and partially raised in London and later in Lodz who
was a Shochet and Bodek in Bnei Brak called Rav Yitzchak Yerachmiel Aspes. His
father was called Rav Shraga Feivel Aspes >from Lodz. Rav Shraga Feivel Aspes
was >from the family Ashpez. Either his wife or him had a sister married to a
Grunblatt who was the grandmother of Rabbi Joseph Grunblatt.]
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

...we Jews and genealogists are part of the society we live in, and...
protections have been set up for a reason.

Nick Landau
London, UK


Re: locating JGS information #general

steven weiss <szome@...>
 

One can no longer get to a list of Jewish Genealogical Societies >from the
JewishGen home page. The list can be found at the home page of The
International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies
http://www.iajgs.org/

Steven Weiss
Chicago
SHVARTSBERG and KANTOR >from Rokiskis District, Lithuania
SZULMAJSTER >from Opatow and Staszow in Poland
LISHNOFSKI >from the Crimea
VOLK >from Pazelva, Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: locating JGS information #general

steven weiss <szome@...>
 

One can no longer get to a list of Jewish Genealogical Societies >from the
JewishGen home page. The list can be found at the home page of The
International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies
http://www.iajgs.org/

Steven Weiss
Chicago
SHVARTSBERG and KANTOR >from Rokiskis District, Lithuania
SZULMAJSTER >from Opatow and Staszow in Poland
LISHNOFSKI >from the Crimea
VOLK >from Pazelva, Lithuania


Scranton / Dalton, PA Area #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

Is there anyone living in this area that could help me by taking a
gravestone photo? Pls. respond by e-mail to highwind1@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Scranton / Dalton, PA Area #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

Is there anyone living in this area that could help me by taking a
gravestone photo? Pls. respond by e-mail to highwind1@comcast.net


Fate of Heinrich MALZ? #general

Doug Mason
 

My father's brother Heinrich MALZ was born in Vienna on 1 January 1910.

The family has always "known" he was murdered in KZ, so you can imagine my
shocked surprise (and family's total disbelief) when I read on the
Jewishgen Dachau database that he was freed at Kaufering (a sub-camp of
Dachau). I have seen a copy of the Dachau release book, and it confirms
the accuracy of the record on the Jewishgen database.

Heinrich was deported >from Vienna to Theresienstadt and on 29 Sept 1944
was sent to Auschwitz. The transport was onforwarded to Dachau, where he
is recorded as having been released.

My mother's brother, Alois JELLINEK was also sent to Theresienstadt (>from
Prague) and was sent to Auschwitz on the same train as Heinrich. Alois was
therefore sent on to Dachau where he was released. Alois died in Vienna
about 10 years ago.This shows it is likely that Heinrich was actually
released. Heinrich's wife was sent >from Theresienstadt to Auschwitz, where
she was murdered.

Where do I find what happened to Heinrich? Just to limit the number of
suggestions, these are the places I have already asked, without success:

National Australia Archives
Doew, Vienna
Dachau Memorial
Auschwitz Memorial
Magistrat 61, Vienna
IKG-Wien
NARA, USA
USHMM
Yad Vashem
Mrs Yaffa Golan
Magistrat 8, Vienna
Nationalfonds, Vienna
Olga Kaczmar
United Nations

I currently have an enquiry with the International Tracing Service through
the local Red Cross, but given my experience to date and the anticipated
long time for any reply, I want to continue my own reserach.

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fate of Heinrich MALZ? #general

Doug Mason
 

My father's brother Heinrich MALZ was born in Vienna on 1 January 1910.

The family has always "known" he was murdered in KZ, so you can imagine my
shocked surprise (and family's total disbelief) when I read on the
Jewishgen Dachau database that he was freed at Kaufering (a sub-camp of
Dachau). I have seen a copy of the Dachau release book, and it confirms
the accuracy of the record on the Jewishgen database.

Heinrich was deported >from Vienna to Theresienstadt and on 29 Sept 1944
was sent to Auschwitz. The transport was onforwarded to Dachau, where he
is recorded as having been released.

My mother's brother, Alois JELLINEK was also sent to Theresienstadt (>from
Prague) and was sent to Auschwitz on the same train as Heinrich. Alois was
therefore sent on to Dachau where he was released. Alois died in Vienna
about 10 years ago.This shows it is likely that Heinrich was actually
released. Heinrich's wife was sent >from Theresienstadt to Auschwitz, where
she was murdered.

Where do I find what happened to Heinrich? Just to limit the number of
suggestions, these are the places I have already asked, without success:

National Australia Archives
Doew, Vienna
Dachau Memorial
Auschwitz Memorial
Magistrat 61, Vienna
IKG-Wien
NARA, USA
USHMM
Yad Vashem
Mrs Yaffa Golan
Magistrat 8, Vienna
Nationalfonds, Vienna
Olga Kaczmar
United Nations

I currently have an enquiry with the International Tracing Service through
the local Red Cross, but given my experience to date and the anticipated
long time for any reply, I want to continue my own reserach.

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia


Records in Cyrillic #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Hi all;

I am wondering if anyone has successfully attempted to teach themselves
enough Russian to be able to find vital records for their family on the
films >from the FHC?

If so, how long and/or arduous a process was it to gain enough facility to
be able to do this? Is this a practical undertaking?

And if you've attempted to do this, would you recommend for or against doing
this to someone else?

As I'm sure is true for a great many others, I think (or hope) that I may
find many valuable records that are currently not accessible to me because
of the language barrier. While I understand that one can hire a researcher,
I'm wondering how practical it is for one to undertake this themselves.

Thanks for your ideas and experiences.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Records in Cyrillic #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Hi all;

I am wondering if anyone has successfully attempted to teach themselves
enough Russian to be able to find vital records for their family on the
films >from the FHC?

If so, how long and/or arduous a process was it to gain enough facility to
be able to do this? Is this a practical undertaking?

And if you've attempted to do this, would you recommend for or against doing
this to someone else?

As I'm sure is true for a great many others, I think (or hope) that I may
find many valuable records that are currently not accessible to me because
of the language barrier. While I understand that one can hire a researcher,
I'm wondering how practical it is for one to undertake this themselves.

Thanks for your ideas and experiences.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


Re: NY State Record Access #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear Genners,

I'm going to throw my two cents into this discussion about requesting NY
State records as first posted by Alan Jordan < aejordan@aol.com > on Aug. 20th.
He wrote:

Does anyone have any ideas on how I can get around NY State rules and get
some information an a former resident at the Rome State School? I tried
the front door ? i.e. writing to the Central New York Developmental
Services Office ? and they are refusing me any information.
Gloria Bailey < GAB123@Comcast.net > replied on Aug 21st that perhaps Alan
was being refused information / access because of the "HIPAA" privacy law."
HIPPA has to do with dissemination of personal medical information.

Since the facility >from which Alan was requesting information cited NY State
law as the reason for not giving any information and Alan is not asking for
medical information, perhaps Alan should make his request citing the Federal
Freedom of Information Act. Additionally, it is my understanding that the
rules of privacy no longer apply once the subject is deceased. This may vary
from State to State.
If all else fails, Alan could contact one of the NY State Senators or
Congressmen who might be able to clarify the refusal.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
agloger@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: NY State Record Access #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear Genners,

I'm going to throw my two cents into this discussion about requesting NY
State records as first posted by Alan Jordan < aejordan@aol.com > on Aug. 20th.
He wrote:

Does anyone have any ideas on how I can get around NY State rules and get
some information an a former resident at the Rome State School? I tried
the front door ? i.e. writing to the Central New York Developmental
Services Office ? and they are refusing me any information.
Gloria Bailey < GAB123@Comcast.net > replied on Aug 21st that perhaps Alan
was being refused information / access because of the "HIPAA" privacy law."
HIPPA has to do with dissemination of personal medical information.

Since the facility >from which Alan was requesting information cited NY State
law as the reason for not giving any information and Alan is not asking for
medical information, perhaps Alan should make his request citing the Federal
Freedom of Information Act. Additionally, it is my understanding that the
rules of privacy no longer apply once the subject is deceased. This may vary
from State to State.
If all else fails, Alan could contact one of the NY State Senators or
Congressmen who might be able to clarify the refusal.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
agloger@aol.com


Ostrowa, Prussia? #germany

Scott L. <eurotrash123@...>
 

Hello All,
I'm having a hard time pinpointing exactly where my g-great grandmother's family
came from.

Depending on the records I view (mostly marriage records for my g-great
grandmother and her siblings, as well as her own death record), the spelling for
the town in Prussia >from which she and her family came is listed as Ostrowa,
Ostrowo, and Ostrova. I have searched the internet and found quite a few matches
throughout Central Europe with these town names. Any advice on how I can pinpoint
which of these towns in Prussia my family came from?

Scott Leo scott.leo@gmail.com Washington, DC


German SIG #Germany Ostrowa, Prussia? #germany

Scott L. <eurotrash123@...>
 

Hello All,
I'm having a hard time pinpointing exactly where my g-great grandmother's family
came from.

Depending on the records I view (mostly marriage records for my g-great
grandmother and her siblings, as well as her own death record), the spelling for
the town in Prussia >from which she and her family came is listed as Ostrowa,
Ostrowo, and Ostrova. I have searched the internet and found quite a few matches
throughout Central Europe with these town names. Any advice on how I can pinpoint
which of these towns in Prussia my family came from?

Scott Leo scott.leo@gmail.com Washington, DC


MARGULES of Sieniawa, Poland #general

S. Cohen <scohen@...>
 

The search for the identity of a 'Hidden Child of the Holocaust' has led to
a MARGULES - BINDER marriage in the Przemysl province of Poland just before
the outbreak of WWII.
It is not known which town the MARGULES family was >from or in which town the
marriage took place.
Any information on these families would be appreciated.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MARGULES of Sieniawa, Poland #general

S. Cohen <scohen@...>
 

The search for the identity of a 'Hidden Child of the Holocaust' has led to
a MARGULES - BINDER marriage in the Przemysl province of Poland just before
the outbreak of WWII.
It is not known which town the MARGULES family was >from or in which town the
marriage took place.
Any information on these families would be appreciated.


Unpublished phone no. Detroit, Michigan #general

S. Cohen <scohen@...>
 

The search for the identity of a 'Hidden Child of the Holocaust' has led to
a BINDER family of Detroit, Michigan that has an unpublished phone number.
Any information on how to obtain an unpublished phone number would be
appreciated.

Sheindle Cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Unpublished phone no. Detroit, Michigan #general

S. Cohen <scohen@...>
 

The search for the identity of a 'Hidden Child of the Holocaust' has led to
a BINDER family of Detroit, Michigan that has an unpublished phone number.
Any information on how to obtain an unpublished phone number would be
appreciated.

Sheindle Cohen