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Re: South African Migration #southafrica

Colin Plen
 

How can this get done
Do they want to know the proportions of polulace who went to each place or
just that "my daughter went to Ra'ana and my brother went to London?"
Can someone lay out a questionaire of sorts and we can get people to answer.
I would offer to do this but I don't know the actual object of the question.

Colin Plen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Beryl. B" <balden@zahav.net.il>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: [safrica] South African Migration


In his President's message of the December 2005
SIG Newsletter, Saul Issroff mentions the project
of mapping Jewish Migration over the past 40-50 years and asks "How can
this get done"?

Each one of our SIG members are living in a Jewish
Community. Do these communities not
have a Jewish Newspaper or Magazine, where an
advertisement can be inserted to obtain the information
desired? This can be taken upon by the Co-ordinators
of the SA SIG in the country in which they are living.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il
Latest SA-SIG Newsletter #southafrica

Roger Shlomo Harris <rwsh@...>
 

Southern Africa Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jewishgen.org/safrica/
Monday 23rd January 2006. London, U.K.


Dear Group,

The latest issue of the SA-SIG Newsletter, December 2005, is now on-line via
http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/newsletter/index.htm

Also, noted in the "What's New" panel on the home page, there is
an article; 10th Course Machon Lemadrichei Chutz Le'aretz 1952-2002
by Ziona Schaffer.
http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/youth-movements/groups/schafferz/index.htm

Kind regards,

Roger Harris.
South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: South African Migration #southafrica

Colin Plen
 

How can this get done
Do they want to know the proportions of polulace who went to each place or
just that "my daughter went to Ra'ana and my brother went to London?"
Can someone lay out a questionaire of sorts and we can get people to answer.
I would offer to do this but I don't know the actual object of the question.

Colin Plen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Beryl. B" <balden@zahav.net.il>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: [safrica] South African Migration


In his President's message of the December 2005
SIG Newsletter, Saul Issroff mentions the project
of mapping Jewish Migration over the past 40-50 years and asks "How can
this get done"?

Each one of our SIG members are living in a Jewish
Community. Do these communities not
have a Jewish Newspaper or Magazine, where an
advertisement can be inserted to obtain the information
desired? This can be taken upon by the Co-ordinators
of the SA SIG in the country in which they are living.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il
South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Latest SA-SIG Newsletter #southafrica

Roger Shlomo Harris <rwsh@...>
 

Southern Africa Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jewishgen.org/safrica/
Monday 23rd January 2006. London, U.K.


Dear Group,

The latest issue of the SA-SIG Newsletter, December 2005, is now on-line via
http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/newsletter/index.htm

Also, noted in the "What's New" panel on the home page, there is
an article; 10th Course Machon Lemadrichei Chutz Le'aretz 1952-2002
by Ziona Schaffer.
http://www.jewishgen.org/SAfrica/youth-movements/groups/schafferz/index.htm

Kind regards,

Roger Harris.
Re: Cemetaries #southafrica

Rosalind
 

WE checked in the Encyclopedia Hebraica and found no instructions on how
the grave or body should be placed whereas they did state that Moslems place
the body on its right side with the face towards Mecca.
The Aron Hakodesh in the Synagogue should face Jerusalem/East.
Two different concepts.

Ros Romem
South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Cemetaries #southafrica

Rosalind
 

WE checked in the Encyclopedia Hebraica and found no instructions on how
the grave or body should be placed whereas they did state that Moslems place
the body on its right side with the face towards Mecca.
The Aron Hakodesh in the Synagogue should face Jerusalem/East.
Two different concepts.

Ros Romem
Re: ABELES in Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Susan L. Lubow of Morristown, NJ writes: I have been
researching my ABELES ancestors for many years.
Recently, I have received new information. If anyone
knows anything about the following people, I would
appreciate hearing >from him/her:

I. Jehuda ABELES, Branntweinbrenner in H? bei Zedwitz
- Probably born bet. 1760-1770
i. Meyer ABELES, Branntweinbrenner in Petrowitz bei
Rakonitz. Probably born about 1800. Married to Rosa
RUSS etc

I have good news for Susan. Jehuda was one of the many
distillers who took leases on properties and moved
around. By 1793 he was no longer in H? by Zedwitz but
was already settled in Petrowitz/Petrovice Rakonitzer
Kreis as a "Bestand Jude in herrschaftlichen Haus", ie
he had the distilling and potash concession >from the
Lord of the Manor.

His name is given as Juda and he is married to Anna. A
footnote implies he has taken over this concession
from Herschmann BORGES [Prague]. He is listed as being
zustandig [resident] in Hochlieben. [Vol 5 p347]

Now here is the surprise for Susan. Mayer [Meyer] was
already born in 1793 and he is the last of five
brothers - there are also two sisters.

1. The first born son Abraham is already married ie
perhaps aged 24 and living in Chiesch/Cyse, Saatzer
Kreis, working in the Ciesch textile factory. Indeed
we find him in Chiesch, called Alexander, with two
sons Samson and Joachim. He is denoted as a fabric
dealer and is resident of Weiten Trebetitsch {Vol IV
p313}

2. Then come sons all unmarried: Isak, Lebl, Josef and
Mayer

3. The two daughters are called Regina and Martha

4. In the Rakonitzer kreis we find two RUSS families.
They live in Geniowes Herrschaft/Gut which
incidentally has a village in it called
Weltruss/Veltrusy - could this be the origin of the
name RUSS? The two RUSS families live side-by-side in
neighbouring Wojkowiz/Vojkovice and are both dealers.
Moises is married with four daughters - the third is
called Rosalia - Could she be the future wife of
Mayer? Josef Russ is also married and has a son Marek
and three daughters [Vol V p319].

Mayer could have been a "late baby" and born in the
1880s. His oldest brother, Abraham [Alexander], must
have been born ca 1768 -then we have three further
brothers and perhaps two sisters before Mayer arrived
ca 1780-1785. We know >from what Susan writes that
Mayer's third-born son David ABELES was born in 1822,
so Mayer probably married when he was in his late
thirties. It may have taken that long to obtain a
familiant licence.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: All the references are >from the 1793 Jewish
Census of Bohemia.
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: ABELES in Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Susan L. Lubow of Morristown, NJ writes: I have been
researching my ABELES ancestors for many years.
Recently, I have received new information. If anyone
knows anything about the following people, I would
appreciate hearing >from him/her:

I. Jehuda ABELES, Branntweinbrenner in H? bei Zedwitz
- Probably born bet. 1760-1770
i. Meyer ABELES, Branntweinbrenner in Petrowitz bei
Rakonitz. Probably born about 1800. Married to Rosa
RUSS etc

I have good news for Susan. Jehuda was one of the many
distillers who took leases on properties and moved
around. By 1793 he was no longer in H? by Zedwitz but
was already settled in Petrowitz/Petrovice Rakonitzer
Kreis as a "Bestand Jude in herrschaftlichen Haus", ie
he had the distilling and potash concession >from the
Lord of the Manor.

His name is given as Juda and he is married to Anna. A
footnote implies he has taken over this concession
from Herschmann BORGES [Prague]. He is listed as being
zustandig [resident] in Hochlieben. [Vol 5 p347]

Now here is the surprise for Susan. Mayer [Meyer] was
already born in 1793 and he is the last of five
brothers - there are also two sisters.

1. The first born son Abraham is already married ie
perhaps aged 24 and living in Chiesch/Cyse, Saatzer
Kreis, working in the Ciesch textile factory. Indeed
we find him in Chiesch, called Alexander, with two
sons Samson and Joachim. He is denoted as a fabric
dealer and is resident of Weiten Trebetitsch {Vol IV
p313}

2. Then come sons all unmarried: Isak, Lebl, Josef and
Mayer

3. The two daughters are called Regina and Martha

4. In the Rakonitzer kreis we find two RUSS families.
They live in Geniowes Herrschaft/Gut which
incidentally has a village in it called
Weltruss/Veltrusy - could this be the origin of the
name RUSS? The two RUSS families live side-by-side in
neighbouring Wojkowiz/Vojkovice and are both dealers.
Moises is married with four daughters - the third is
called Rosalia - Could she be the future wife of
Mayer? Josef Russ is also married and has a son Marek
and three daughters [Vol V p319].

Mayer could have been a "late baby" and born in the
1880s. His oldest brother, Abraham [Alexander], must
have been born ca 1768 -then we have three further
brothers and perhaps two sisters before Mayer arrived
ca 1780-1785. We know >from what Susan writes that
Mayer's third-born son David ABELES was born in 1822,
so Mayer probably married when he was in his late
thirties. It may have taken that long to obtain a
familiant licence.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: All the references are >from the 1793 Jewish
Census of Bohemia.
Re: Dresden #germany

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

The material is available in abridged form at:

www.Gedenkbuch-Dresden.de

A book-format of the Dresden Yizkor Book is now in its last stage of
preparation, and will hopefully be printed in the not too distant future.

Anyone with any Dresden information is requested to send it to
CJZGedenkbuch@t-online.de in German. If you have no German, please
email via me, I will translate it and forward it.

David Lewin London <davidlewin@btinternet.com>

Someone recently posted a question regarding Dresden Holocaust
deaths and I will reply to him direct. However, the following
general information regarding Dresden may be of interest. In place
of the traditional Gedenkbuch, there exists a Buch der Erinnerung
issued by the Arbeitskreis Gedenkbuch der Gesellschaft fuer
christlich-juedische Zusammenarbeit Dresden e.V. Unfortunately,
this excellent reference source is only available in CD form. If
readers find that their local libraries do not have this CD (and I hope
they will order them )I would be prepared to search for specific
names for them. Peter Lande Washington DC <pdlande@starpower.net>
German SIG #Germany Re: Dresden #germany

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

The material is available in abridged form at:

www.Gedenkbuch-Dresden.de

A book-format of the Dresden Yizkor Book is now in its last stage of
preparation, and will hopefully be printed in the not too distant future.

Anyone with any Dresden information is requested to send it to
CJZGedenkbuch@t-online.de in German. If you have no German, please
email via me, I will translate it and forward it.

David Lewin London <davidlewin@btinternet.com>

Someone recently posted a question regarding Dresden Holocaust
deaths and I will reply to him direct. However, the following
general information regarding Dresden may be of interest. In place
of the traditional Gedenkbuch, there exists a Buch der Erinnerung
issued by the Arbeitskreis Gedenkbuch der Gesellschaft fuer
christlich-juedische Zusammenarbeit Dresden e.V. Unfortunately,
this excellent reference source is only available in CD form. If
readers find that their local libraries do not have this CD (and I hope
they will order them )I would be prepared to search for specific
names for them. Peter Lande Washington DC <pdlande@starpower.net>
Fieldgate Street Buildings #unitedkingdom

Sylvia Kaye <sylk@...>
 

".....29,30,31 only appeared in Fieldgate Street Buildings and not as
separate house entries and again not Grodzinski....."

On reading Rosemary Wenzerul's comment about Fieldgate Street Buildings
vs. Fieldgate Street, I just had to add my two pence worth. Fieldgate
Street Buildings are, in fact, three (or more) terrace blocks which
stand at right angles to the street (end on), along a stretch of one
side of Fieldgate Street itself. Each block is made up of several
apartments, and the apartment numbers run through the whole set of
buildings, sequentially. These buildings do not stand on their own
individual streets - access is >from Fieldgate Street. Some of the
buildings, although somewhat dilapidated, are still standing.

The Family History Centre at Bancroft Road Library (Mile End Road, East
London) has detailed maps of the area going back 200 years or so. The
resident archivist is very helpful, and can be reached on
"localhistory@towerhamlets.gov.uk". =20

Good luck,

Sylvia Kaye (originally Kosakofski)
Israel (formerly >from London)
Searching:
DRUKER, DUDELSAK: Galicia/USA; KOSAKOFSKI, Kiev
HYAMS: Kilburn, London
BITTAN, HARRIS: London, East End
BUCHHALTER: Siret, Austria
FEITELSON: Romania
ROZMANN/ROSENMAN: Mihaileni, Roumania
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Fieldgate Street Buildings #unitedkingdom

Sylvia Kaye <sylk@...>
 

".....29,30,31 only appeared in Fieldgate Street Buildings and not as
separate house entries and again not Grodzinski....."

On reading Rosemary Wenzerul's comment about Fieldgate Street Buildings
vs. Fieldgate Street, I just had to add my two pence worth. Fieldgate
Street Buildings are, in fact, three (or more) terrace blocks which
stand at right angles to the street (end on), along a stretch of one
side of Fieldgate Street itself. Each block is made up of several
apartments, and the apartment numbers run through the whole set of
buildings, sequentially. These buildings do not stand on their own
individual streets - access is >from Fieldgate Street. Some of the
buildings, although somewhat dilapidated, are still standing.

The Family History Centre at Bancroft Road Library (Mile End Road, East
London) has detailed maps of the area going back 200 years or so. The
resident archivist is very helpful, and can be reached on
"localhistory@towerhamlets.gov.uk". =20

Good luck,

Sylvia Kaye (originally Kosakofski)
Israel (formerly >from London)
Searching:
DRUKER, DUDELSAK: Galicia/USA; KOSAKOFSKI, Kiev
HYAMS: Kilburn, London
BITTAN, HARRIS: London, East End
BUCHHALTER: Siret, Austria
FEITELSON: Romania
ROZMANN/ROSENMAN: Mihaileni, Roumania
Confused about the Yaakov Koppels #rabbinic

Todd Brody
 

I am very confused about the various Yaakov Koppels who lived in the
1700s. I have the following names:

Yaakov Koppel Hasid
Yaakov Koppel Likover
Yaakov Koppel Charif
Yaakov Koppel of Mezhirech

Are any of these the same people? Which was the BESHT's disciple
and chazan? Which claimed descendancy >from Judah HaChasid of
Regensburg?

Thanks. Your help is appreciated.

Todd Brody
Englewood, NJ

Searching: BRAUDE (Telz, Alsiad, Plotel), GLASS (Sandomierz, Montreal),
ROSENBERG (Skaryszew, Montreal), GROSSER (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw),
LAMM (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw), FRANKFORT (Sieniawa), ARFA (Biezun,
Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock), MAJ ((Biezun, Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock).
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Confused about the Yaakov Koppels #rabbinic

Todd Brody
 

I am very confused about the various Yaakov Koppels who lived in the
1700s. I have the following names:

Yaakov Koppel Hasid
Yaakov Koppel Likover
Yaakov Koppel Charif
Yaakov Koppel of Mezhirech

Are any of these the same people? Which was the BESHT's disciple
and chazan? Which claimed descendancy >from Judah HaChasid of
Regensburg?

Thanks. Your help is appreciated.

Todd Brody
Englewood, NJ

Searching: BRAUDE (Telz, Alsiad, Plotel), GLASS (Sandomierz, Montreal),
ROSENBERG (Skaryszew, Montreal), GROSSER (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw),
LAMM (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw), FRANKFORT (Sieniawa), ARFA (Biezun,
Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock), MAJ ((Biezun, Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock).
Family SOUCHOTINSKY #ukraine

Joseph Klayman <jdklayman@...>
 

They lived in Dnepopetrovsk 1880 thru 1940 trying to
find my family on my father's (SOUCHOTINSKY) side. He left
home in 1917 . There were 11 siblings. 9 brothers and 2
sisters. The father owned a large hardware business. I
beleive they were fairly well off financially.

Dina Souchotinsky Klayman
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Family SOUCHOTINSKY #ukraine

Joseph Klayman <jdklayman@...>
 

They lived in Dnepopetrovsk 1880 thru 1940 trying to
find my family on my father's (SOUCHOTINSKY) side. He left
home in 1917 . There were 11 siblings. 9 brothers and 2
sisters. The father owned a large hardware business. I
beleive they were fairly well off financially.

Dina Souchotinsky Klayman
searching Lionel Mincer #germany

Ramayrassoc@...
 

I am looking for information on the children or grandchildren of Lionel
MINCER. He was born in Sterling Kansas prox. 1900-03. He was a lawyer and came to
Chicago in the mid twenties and was associated with the law firm of Brown Fox
and Blumberg.

Dick Mayer Highland Park,Illinois ramayrassoc@aol.com

REMINDER: This is the German Jewish SIG. You do not say how your subject is
connected to Germanyh or Judiasm.
German SIG #Germany searching Lionel Mincer #germany

Ramayrassoc@...
 

I am looking for information on the children or grandchildren of Lionel
MINCER. He was born in Sterling Kansas prox. 1900-03. He was a lawyer and came to
Chicago in the mid twenties and was associated with the law firm of Brown Fox
and Blumberg.

Dick Mayer Highland Park,Illinois ramayrassoc@aol.com

REMINDER: This is the German Jewish SIG. You do not say how your subject is
connected to Germanyh or Judiasm.
Re: Dresden #germany

Lande
 

Someone recently posted a question regarding Dresden Holocaust deaths and I
will reply to him direct. However, the following general information
regarding Dresden may be of interest. In place of the traditional
Gedenkbuch, there exists a Buch der Erinnerung issued by the Arbeitskreis
Gedenkbuch der Gesellschaft fuer christlich-juedische Zusammenarbeit Dresden
e.V. Unfortunately, this excellent reference source is only available in CD
form. If readers find that their local libraries do not have this CD (and I hope
they will order them )I would be prepared to search for specific names for them.

Peter Lande Washington DC <pdlande@starpower.net>
German SIG #Germany Re: Dresden #germany

Lande
 

Someone recently posted a question regarding Dresden Holocaust deaths and I
will reply to him direct. However, the following general information
regarding Dresden may be of interest. In place of the traditional
Gedenkbuch, there exists a Buch der Erinnerung issued by the Arbeitskreis
Gedenkbuch der Gesellschaft fuer christlich-juedische Zusammenarbeit Dresden
e.V. Unfortunately, this excellent reference source is only available in CD
form. If readers find that their local libraries do not have this CD (and I hope
they will order them )I would be prepared to search for specific names for them.

Peter Lande Washington DC <pdlande@starpower.net>
339801 - 339820 of 657886