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Departure date for S.S. Ethiopia from Glasgow #general

Chaim Luria <cluria@...>
 

An ancestor of mine traveled >from Glasgow to New York City and arrived on
Sept 8, 1891. Where can I obtain the *exact* departure date >from Glasgow for
this transatlantic trip.

Chaim Luria
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Departure date for S.S. Ethiopia from Glasgow #general

Chaim Luria <cluria@...>
 

An ancestor of mine traveled >from Glasgow to New York City and arrived on
Sept 8, 1891. Where can I obtain the *exact* departure date >from Glasgow for
this transatlantic trip.

Chaim Luria
Jerusalem


* Srodula Ghetto Survivors * #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

If you, or a member of your family, is a survivor of the Srodula Ghetto -
Sosnowiec - Poland and subsequently Auschwitz and you have any connection
to, or memories of, families MARGULES, GUTERMAN, DANCYGIER - please contact
me as a matter of urgency.

I thank you.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen * Srodula Ghetto Survivors * #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

If you, or a member of your family, is a survivor of the Srodula Ghetto -
Sosnowiec - Poland and subsequently Auschwitz and you have any connection
to, or memories of, families MARGULES, GUTERMAN, DANCYGIER - please contact
me as a matter of urgency.

I thank you.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


Success - Luis Kraidberg of NY/Russia Naturalization Records Found #general

L. Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Thanks to this list for helping me locate my great grandfathers
naturalization records. Never give up your search! I have spent the better
part of 5 years trying to track down my great-grandfather's immigration
information. I have found this information (happy dance...). I would like to
share with you how I accomplished this as I used mostly online resources and
I believe it would be of interest to many on this list. Here is a summary of
what transpired:

Background information, and my starting point. Luis KRAIDBERG (one of many
variations of this surname) is my great-grandfather. He was >from somewhere
in Russia and I had no idea of how the surname was spelled over there.
Census records were finally found through an online service and in every
census he is listed as being an alien (including the 1930 census). I also
located his WWI draft registration cards (he filled out 2) using the same
online service and he is listed correctly as an alien. I also have his
marriage record and some of his children's birth records.

The search - the same online service shows a Declaration of Intent in
Manhattan (New York City) based on the card file at Chambers St. I had a
researcher go to look this up for me at Chambers Street, Old Records
Division, and using the volume # and page # given on the website the
declaration of intent was not able to be located. The researcher also
searched many other pages. I asked the list for help and received many
different responses. I am not local to NY, I live in North Carolina (about
600 miles away). At the suggestion of one of the members of this list I
checked out the Bronx County Naturalization Records available online at the
German Genealogy Group's website. There he was, listed in the Petitions for
Naturalization database, with just a petition number. No declaration number
and no volume or page info for the petition. Using their request form
available online at their website, I mailed in a request to the Bronx County
Clerk's Office, Naturalization Records, 851 Grand Concourse, Rm. 118, Bronx
NY 10451. Payment is required with this form and in about a week after
sending it I received his declaration of intent and his approved petition
for naturalization!! I may not have found him without the suggestion of a
list member. Thanks again to everyone who has helped me with this search.

Linda Altman,

Raleigh, North Carolina


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Success - Luis Kraidberg of NY/Russia Naturalization Records Found #general

L. Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Thanks to this list for helping me locate my great grandfathers
naturalization records. Never give up your search! I have spent the better
part of 5 years trying to track down my great-grandfather's immigration
information. I have found this information (happy dance...). I would like to
share with you how I accomplished this as I used mostly online resources and
I believe it would be of interest to many on this list. Here is a summary of
what transpired:

Background information, and my starting point. Luis KRAIDBERG (one of many
variations of this surname) is my great-grandfather. He was >from somewhere
in Russia and I had no idea of how the surname was spelled over there.
Census records were finally found through an online service and in every
census he is listed as being an alien (including the 1930 census). I also
located his WWI draft registration cards (he filled out 2) using the same
online service and he is listed correctly as an alien. I also have his
marriage record and some of his children's birth records.

The search - the same online service shows a Declaration of Intent in
Manhattan (New York City) based on the card file at Chambers St. I had a
researcher go to look this up for me at Chambers Street, Old Records
Division, and using the volume # and page # given on the website the
declaration of intent was not able to be located. The researcher also
searched many other pages. I asked the list for help and received many
different responses. I am not local to NY, I live in North Carolina (about
600 miles away). At the suggestion of one of the members of this list I
checked out the Bronx County Naturalization Records available online at the
German Genealogy Group's website. There he was, listed in the Petitions for
Naturalization database, with just a petition number. No declaration number
and no volume or page info for the petition. Using their request form
available online at their website, I mailed in a request to the Bronx County
Clerk's Office, Naturalization Records, 851 Grand Concourse, Rm. 118, Bronx
NY 10451. Payment is required with this form and in about a week after
sending it I received his declaration of intent and his approved petition
for naturalization!! I may not have found him without the suggestion of a
list member. Thanks again to everyone who has helped me with this search.

Linda Altman,

Raleigh, North Carolina


Re: Departure date for S.S. Ethiopia from Glasgow #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

In addition to the other sources of information already mentioned, the
Passenger List filed with the US authorities will show the date of departure
from Glasgow. these lists are preserved in microfilm through the US
National Archives and copies of those films are available through the Mormon
Family History Centers. I understand that you are in Israel and have no
direct access to Family History Centers in that country, you may gain access
if you visit another country or have a friend do a look-up for you

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY.

An ancestor of mine traveled >from Glasgow to New York City and arrived on
Sept 8, 1891. Where can I obtain the *exact* departure date >from Glasgow
for this transatlantic trip.

Chaim Luria
Jerusalem
---
Sender: "Chaim Luria" <cluria@zahav.net.il>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Departure date for S.S. Ethiopia from Glasgow #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

In addition to the other sources of information already mentioned, the
Passenger List filed with the US authorities will show the date of departure
from Glasgow. these lists are preserved in microfilm through the US
National Archives and copies of those films are available through the Mormon
Family History Centers. I understand that you are in Israel and have no
direct access to Family History Centers in that country, you may gain access
if you visit another country or have a friend do a look-up for you

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY.

An ancestor of mine traveled >from Glasgow to New York City and arrived on
Sept 8, 1891. Where can I obtain the *exact* departure date >from Glasgow
for this transatlantic trip.

Chaim Luria
Jerusalem
---
Sender: "Chaim Luria" <cluria@zahav.net.il>


missing citation: Jews in Fort Lauderdale #general

bik <kooshb9341@...>
 

How/where might I find the book that this information came from?

I author a Jewish history of Broward County (FL) website
http://www.jgsbroward.org/ and this item appears to have been incorrectly
cited..

"The '30s is a difficult time for Jews in Fort Lauderdale, which has an
"Anti-Semitic reputation". Many hotels are "restricted" forcing Jewish
travelers and tourists to go south to hotels in Hollywood or the Miami area.
Henry Morgenthau, Secretary of the Treasury under FDR, comes here on Coast
Guard business. He is told the hotel would accept him, but not Jewish staff
members. He refuses to stay in Ft. Lauderdale and finds accommodations
outside the city limits."
--
Bernard Kouchel
kooshb9341@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen missing citation: Jews in Fort Lauderdale #general

bik <kooshb9341@...>
 

How/where might I find the book that this information came from?

I author a Jewish history of Broward County (FL) website
http://www.jgsbroward.org/ and this item appears to have been incorrectly
cited..

"The '30s is a difficult time for Jews in Fort Lauderdale, which has an
"Anti-Semitic reputation". Many hotels are "restricted" forcing Jewish
travelers and tourists to go south to hotels in Hollywood or the Miami area.
Henry Morgenthau, Secretary of the Treasury under FDR, comes here on Coast
Guard business. He is told the hotel would accept him, but not Jewish staff
members. He refuses to stay in Ft. Lauderdale and finds accommodations
outside the city limits."
--
Bernard Kouchel
kooshb9341@bellsouth.net


Wuestensachsen, Fulda #germany

N.Landau@...
 

My cousin's father's family were >from Wuestensachsen in the area of Fulda in
Hesse-Nassau.

Does anyone know any sources of information for people who lived in this village
eg the relevant town/state archive and Jewish marriage/birth/cemetery lists?

The family name was WEINBERGER. Thanks very much.

Nick Landau London, UK <N.Landau@btinternet.com>

WECHSLER(Schwabach, GE) KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen, GE)


Boyle Heights, near LA Cal #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I am seeking photographs of Boyle Heights 1920/1940's especially
Brooklyn Ave. My great grandfather had a grocery store in the 2517 block
of Brooklyn Ave. Please help. Also the Cincinnati street shul. Thank
you..Gayle


Bezalel Lavi, please contact me #general

Lisa Dashman <ldashman@...>
 

I received an email >from Bezalel Lavi this morning and have replied to it,
but it has bounced. (Twice.) I would appreciate if Mr./Ms. Lavi can
re-contact me. Thank you.

Lisa Dashman
NY


German SIG #Germany Wuestensachsen, Fulda #germany

N.Landau@...
 

My cousin's father's family were >from Wuestensachsen in the area of Fulda in
Hesse-Nassau.

Does anyone know any sources of information for people who lived in this village
eg the relevant town/state archive and Jewish marriage/birth/cemetery lists?

The family name was WEINBERGER. Thanks very much.

Nick Landau London, UK <N.Landau@btinternet.com>

WECHSLER(Schwabach, GE) KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen, GE)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Boyle Heights, near LA Cal #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I am seeking photographs of Boyle Heights 1920/1940's especially
Brooklyn Ave. My great grandfather had a grocery store in the 2517 block
of Brooklyn Ave. Please help. Also the Cincinnati street shul. Thank
you..Gayle


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bezalel Lavi, please contact me #general

Lisa Dashman <ldashman@...>
 

I received an email >from Bezalel Lavi this morning and have replied to it,
but it has bounced. (Twice.) I would appreciate if Mr./Ms. Lavi can
re-contact me. Thank you.

Lisa Dashman
NY


How to search with very little to start with #general

Welch Douglas
 

Hello,

I hope this is not a naive-sounding or too general
question. I have never done any Jewish genealogy but I
have done quite a bit of Native American genealogy and I
know how whacky sounding the newbies can be.

Some years ago my grandmother mentioned to my father that
she had some Jewish heritage in her family. This had not
been known to us but my father didn't inquire in detail
about it at the time. She died shortly afterward (she was
in her 90s) and there are no other living family members
to ask that we know. We are wondering how we might go
about researching such a connection for genealogical
purposes.

I'm not prepared with names and dates, unfortunately, at
this very moment but my initial question is pretty
general. In looking at her immediate family tree, nothing
jumps out at me as looking like an obvious Jewish surname
so it's hard to know where to start.

Her mother's maiden surname was Saling and I have seen
this mentioned as a possible Jewish surname on some name
origin lists. I have poked around in the FAQ and found
some references to surnames books but I didn't really see
anything pertaining to my overall question.

Thanks in advance,

Doug Welch


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How to search with very little to start with #general

Welch Douglas
 

Hello,

I hope this is not a naive-sounding or too general
question. I have never done any Jewish genealogy but I
have done quite a bit of Native American genealogy and I
know how whacky sounding the newbies can be.

Some years ago my grandmother mentioned to my father that
she had some Jewish heritage in her family. This had not
been known to us but my father didn't inquire in detail
about it at the time. She died shortly afterward (she was
in her 90s) and there are no other living family members
to ask that we know. We are wondering how we might go
about researching such a connection for genealogical
purposes.

I'm not prepared with names and dates, unfortunately, at
this very moment but my initial question is pretty
general. In looking at her immediate family tree, nothing
jumps out at me as looking like an obvious Jewish surname
so it's hard to know where to start.

Her mother's maiden surname was Saling and I have seen
this mentioned as a possible Jewish surname on some name
origin lists. I have poked around in the FAQ and found
some references to surnames books but I didn't really see
anything pertaining to my overall question.

Thanks in advance,

Doug Welch


Re: Laws Mandating Fixed Surnames #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Regarding the list of surname-adoption dates attributed to George ARNSTEIN:
If the date of 1935 is correct, then the source may well be:
Kessler, Gerhard. Die Familiennamen der Juden in Deutschland. Leipzig:
Zentralstelle für Deutsche Personen- und Familiengeschichte, 1935.

In the event, the list in question, while invaluable, nonetheless
requires a few corrections and amplifications. My comments and
additions are indicated with *** asterisks.
======================================================================
Exhibit 1: Laws Mandating Jewish Family Names
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from a 1935 compilation:
Austrian Galizia 1774
Austria 23 Jul 1787

Breslau (Silesia) "Stammnumeranten" 1790 *** Add
Silesia other than Breslau 1791 *** Add

South Prussia and New East
Prussia (formerly Polish) 17 Apr 1797 *** Polish after 1815
City of Frankfurt [Main] 30 Nov 1807
Grand Duchy of Frankfurt 26 Nov 1811
French possessions on the Rhine
and in North West Germany 20 Jul 1808 and 12 Jan 1813
Kingdom of Westphalia 31 Mar 1808 and 04 Jul 1811
Oberhessen-Starkenburg 15 Dec 1808
Baden 13 Jan 1809
Lippe 16 Dec 1809
Sachsen-Altenburg 20 Jun 1811

Prussia proper (east of Elbe) 11 Mar 1812 *** not 1811!

Mecklenburg-Schwerin 22 Feb 1813
Bavaria, Vorarlberg, Tyrol
and Salzburg 16 Jun 1813
Schleswig-Holstein (Danish) 29 Mar 1814
Mecklenburg-Strelitz 01 Jun 1814
Anhalt-Dessau 1822
Sachsen-Weimar 1823
Kingdom of Wuerttemberg 1828
Grand Duchy of Posen (Prussian) 1833
Sachsen (= Saxonia) 1834
Oldenburg 1852
======================================================================

A review of the surname-adoption list for Kurmark Brandenburg (the part
west of the Oder) suggests strongly that the Jews of Berlin had adopted
surnames some time before the Emancipation Edict of 11 March 1812
required them to do so as a condition of obtaining citizenship. Unlike
Jews in other parts of Brandenburg (or Pomerania, Neumark, E. Prussia,
etc.) the Berlin families had far more "after" names identical to their
"before" names, and most of these were not obviously derived >from
patronyms either. The situation is similar for the other large Jewish
community in the region, that of Frankfurt/Oder.

The date of 11 Mar 1812 is itself slightly misleading. Not all of
Prussia was under Prussian control at the time! Not until Napoleon's
retreat did Prussian law obtain in Danzig, for example; there, surnames
were adopted around 1814. http://www.jewishgen.org/Danzig/1814.php has
the surname list.

The legal gazettes that noted the adoption of citizenship (and usually
also the fixed surname) in much of Prussia were published in 1814-15 for
Silesia (except Lower Silesia, the part ruled >from Liegnitz); 1814 for
Pomerania, Kurmark, Neumark, and most of West Prussia; and 1817 for
Danzig. I haven't seen the East Prussian list, and would be grateful
for any information.

As far as I know, there was no published Liegnitz list, but we do have
the 1812 census of Jews in Glogau, where almost all of the Jews in that
area lived. That document includes information about name changes.
(The census of 24 Mar 1812 was generally the basis for the
citizenship/name adoption lists; some of the published lists contain
numberings corresponding to those in the local censuses.)

The southern portion of West Prussia, i.e., the area around Thorn, was
not included in the published West Prussian list. A separate
name-adoption list appeared in 1845, of which I've only seen the typed
transcription at the Leo Baeck Institute. The title of this list
suggests that name-adoption itself only happened then (_Nachweisung des
Regierungs-Bezirks Marienwerder von denjenigen Juden, welche nach der
Allerhoechsten Kabinetts-Ordre vom 31sten October 1845 erbliche
Familien-Namen angenommen haben_), but I'm not sure that was generally
the case there. Again, further information is welcome.

Information about surname-adoption in portions of Germany not listed
above--e.g., Hohenzollern, the rest of Hessen, and Braunschweig--would
make further valuable additions.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA <trovato@verizon.net>

Peter Wyant Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada <p.wyant@sasktel.net> Wrote:
On 9 May, Sandi GOLDSMITH posted a partial list of European
jurisdictions and the dates (or years) in which fixed surnames were
mandated. A list very similar to this list was published in Avotaynu, Vol. XII,
No. 2 (Summer, 1996), p. 34, by George ARNSTEIN, titled "Mandated Family
Names in Central Europe". If George is a subscriber to this list,
perhaps he can shed some further light on its origin.
I, too, have used this very useful list over the years and whenever a
new date/jurisdiction comes to light, have added to it.
MOD NOTE: The list is available at JewishGen:
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/de-1.txt ( Exhibit 1 )


Re: 21st St. Cemetery Manhattan, NY #general

adamsny@...
 

Searching google.com with the following search terms "Congregation Shearith
Israel's historic 21st Street Cemetery" I located the following information
which may be useful to Teri and others on this list;

Congregation Shearith Israel
The Spanish and Portuguese Synagogue
http://www.shearithisrael.org
212.873.0300
Fax: 212.724.6165
Email: office@shearithisrael.org

You might try using the information above to help you learn the answers to your
questions! I am sure they can guide you in the right direction.

Good luck in your research!
Nancy Ring Kendrick
Port Orange, FL

Quoting Teri Tillman <natzrose@bellsouth.net>:

Has anyone visited or passed by Congregation Shearith Israel's historic 21st
Street Cemetery lately? Is it kept locked? Is it possible to make
arrangements to visit the cemetery?