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Re: KURSMAN #southafrica

Hayyim.E <balden@...>
 

Dear Ann

Whilst I don't know of the person you are talking,
the name of the place is YSTERPLAAS and not
Yzenplats.

Beryl Baleson
balden@...
Israel.

Does anyone know the family of Charles KURSMAN, born 1866, Lithuania,
arrived SA in 1900, naturalized 1904, living in Yzenplats, Maitland, Cape
Town, a dairyman.


Re: Rabinowitz and name changes #southafrica

Assaf Urieli <assaf@...>
 

Hi all,

As a matter of interest regarding adoption of the name RABINOWITZ.

My grandfather, Arieh (or Lova) RABINOWITZ was a descendent of a great
16th century rabbi, Mordekhai ben Abraham JAFFE, ba'al ha levoushim (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordecai_Jaffe ), through Rabbi Dov Ber
Turitser JAFFE (1783-1828), one of the rabbi's descendents.
Dov Ber Turitser JAFFE had four sons. In order to avoid being drafted
into the tsar's army, each of his sons took on a different surname
(apparently, the rule was that if you had only one son, he didn't get
drafted).
These were:
- Rabbi Yoseph Yehoshua *RABINOWITZ* (?-1874), my own great-great-great
grandfather
- Rabbi Chaim Zalman JAFFE (?-1890)
- Rabbi Yaakov MATZ
- Rabbi Mordekhai GIMPL

Lova immigrated to Israel, but his wife, Miriam JOSSELOWITZ, had two
siblings in South Africa (Leon JOSEPH, Leah JOSSELOWITZ later HERMANN),
as well as many cousins (SCHULTZ).

Hope this might be of interest to some of you out there regarding
surname changes.

Regards,
Assaf URIELI
Toulouse, France

RABINOWITZ: Mariampol (Marijampole, Lithuania)
JAFFE: Prague (Praha, Czech Republic), Karelichy (Belarus), Turets (Belarus)
MEVZOS: Mariampol (Marijampole, Lithuania)
JOSSELOWITZ/YOSELOVITCH: Shavl (Siauliai, Lithuania), Mazheik (Mazeikiai)
SCHUTZ or SCHULTZ: Shavl (Siauliai, Lithuania), South Africa
ABRAMOV: Ange/Anje (Dagestan), Petah Tikva (Israel)
SVATITSKY: Pinsk (Belarus), Petah Tikva (Israel)

Ann Rabinowitz wrote:

Not wanting the RABINOWITZ trail to grow cold...


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Rabinowitz and name changes #southafrica

Assaf Urieli <assaf@...>
 

Hi all,

As a matter of interest regarding adoption of the name RABINOWITZ.

My grandfather, Arieh (or Lova) RABINOWITZ was a descendent of a great
16th century rabbi, Mordekhai ben Abraham JAFFE, ba'al ha levoushim (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordecai_Jaffe ), through Rabbi Dov Ber
Turitser JAFFE (1783-1828), one of the rabbi's descendents.
Dov Ber Turitser JAFFE had four sons. In order to avoid being drafted
into the tsar's army, each of his sons took on a different surname
(apparently, the rule was that if you had only one son, he didn't get
drafted).
These were:
- Rabbi Yoseph Yehoshua *RABINOWITZ* (?-1874), my own great-great-great
grandfather
- Rabbi Chaim Zalman JAFFE (?-1890)
- Rabbi Yaakov MATZ
- Rabbi Mordekhai GIMPL

Lova immigrated to Israel, but his wife, Miriam JOSSELOWITZ, had two
siblings in South Africa (Leon JOSEPH, Leah JOSSELOWITZ later HERMANN),
as well as many cousins (SCHULTZ).

Hope this might be of interest to some of you out there regarding
surname changes.

Regards,
Assaf URIELI
Toulouse, France

RABINOWITZ: Mariampol (Marijampole, Lithuania)
JAFFE: Prague (Praha, Czech Republic), Karelichy (Belarus), Turets (Belarus)
MEVZOS: Mariampol (Marijampole, Lithuania)
JOSSELOWITZ/YOSELOVITCH: Shavl (Siauliai, Lithuania), Mazheik (Mazeikiai)
SCHUTZ or SCHULTZ: Shavl (Siauliai, Lithuania), South Africa
ABRAMOV: Ange/Anje (Dagestan), Petah Tikva (Israel)
SVATITSKY: Pinsk (Belarus), Petah Tikva (Israel)

Ann Rabinowitz wrote:

Not wanting the RABINOWITZ trail to grow cold...


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: KURSMAN #southafrica

Hayyim.E <balden@...>
 

Dear Ann

Whilst I don't know of the person you are talking,
the name of the place is YSTERPLAAS and not
Yzenplats.

Beryl Baleson
balden@...
Israel.

Does anyone know the family of Charles KURSMAN, born 1866, Lithuania,
arrived SA in 1900, naturalized 1904, living in Yzenplats, Maitland, Cape
Town, a dairyman.


SEGAL Family in France #france

Bubylu@...
 

Hello,

Once again I am searching for 'my' long lost SEGAL family. I now have names
and address so this might be helpful. One person is Claude SEGAL who lives
in Francemont,Paris and his son who is Philippe who also lives in Paris on
the Avenue Jean Jaures.
I have no way of contacting either of these gentleman and would be most
appreciative if someone could give them the information that I am looking for
them. Claude's father was Levy SEGAL, brother to my grandfather Nathan. They
(the brothers) were originally >from Iasi, Romania. Claude's mother was Pessa
and he was one of 7 children of Levy and Pessa SEGAL.
Please, if you can help me contact them or have them contact me I would be
so grateful to you.

Sincerely,
Lois SEGAL Friedman
Bubylu@...
Delray Beach, Florida USA


French SIG #France SEGAL Family in France #france

Bubylu@...
 

Hello,

Once again I am searching for 'my' long lost SEGAL family. I now have names
and address so this might be helpful. One person is Claude SEGAL who lives
in Francemont,Paris and his son who is Philippe who also lives in Paris on
the Avenue Jean Jaures.
I have no way of contacting either of these gentleman and would be most
appreciative if someone could give them the information that I am looking for
them. Claude's father was Levy SEGAL, brother to my grandfather Nathan. They
(the brothers) were originally >from Iasi, Romania. Claude's mother was Pessa
and he was one of 7 children of Levy and Pessa SEGAL.
Please, if you can help me contact them or have them contact me I would be
so grateful to you.

Sincerely,
Lois SEGAL Friedman
Bubylu@...
Delray Beach, Florida USA


Re: Look-up in Jewish History Institue, Warsawa,Poland #general

adam teitelbaum
 

1. Yad Vashem has made available a Shoa Related Lists Database on its website

http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_3NB/.cmd/acd/.ar/sa.spf
_ActionListener/.c/6_0_289/.ce/7_0_4CL/.p/5_0_2TP?PC_7_0_4CL_spf_strutsAction=
%212fItem.do&PC_7_0_4CL_itemid=6061509

an Advanced Search by "Archive of Orgin" shows that about 1000 lists >from the
Institute are included in this database. These lists are available as PDF but
are not searchable by individual names.


2. The Jewish Institute has a website with email addresses listed. I have not
tried to contact them.

http://www.jewishinstitute.org.pl/index.php?lang=en&dzial=5

3. Their list of links looks quite interesting,including many sites in Poland.

http://www.jewishinstitute.org.pl/index.php?lang=en&dzial=6


Adam Teitelbaum
New York

TEITELBAUM, ENGEL, Goworowo, Ostrolenka
SIERZANTOWICZ, SZERZANTOWICZ, Lowicz,
WOLMAN, Warszawa



MODERATOR NOTE: The long URL Adam referred to in item 1 above can be accessed at
http://www.yadvashem.org/


Subject: Look-up in Jewish History Institue, Warsawa,Poland
From: "Anton" <anys@...>
... how to obtain data about Holocaust survivors >from database in this institute?
TIA
Anton Valdine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Look-up in Jewish History Institue, Warsawa,Poland #general

adam teitelbaum
 

1. Yad Vashem has made available a Shoa Related Lists Database on its website

http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_3NB/.cmd/acd/.ar/sa.spf
_ActionListener/.c/6_0_289/.ce/7_0_4CL/.p/5_0_2TP?PC_7_0_4CL_spf_strutsAction=
%212fItem.do&PC_7_0_4CL_itemid=6061509

an Advanced Search by "Archive of Orgin" shows that about 1000 lists >from the
Institute are included in this database. These lists are available as PDF but
are not searchable by individual names.


2. The Jewish Institute has a website with email addresses listed. I have not
tried to contact them.

http://www.jewishinstitute.org.pl/index.php?lang=en&dzial=5

3. Their list of links looks quite interesting,including many sites in Poland.

http://www.jewishinstitute.org.pl/index.php?lang=en&dzial=6


Adam Teitelbaum
New York

TEITELBAUM, ENGEL, Goworowo, Ostrolenka
SIERZANTOWICZ, SZERZANTOWICZ, Lowicz,
WOLMAN, Warszawa



MODERATOR NOTE: The long URL Adam referred to in item 1 above can be accessed at
http://www.yadvashem.org/


Subject: Look-up in Jewish History Institue, Warsawa,Poland
From: "Anton" <anys@...>
... how to obtain data about Holocaust survivors >from database in this institute?
TIA
Anton Valdine


Re: Acquiring documents from Romania #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

It depends on the dates of the records.
If they are 100 years old and more, then you can try to approach the
National Archives, Bucharest branch.
If they are newer, then the approach is via the embassy/consulate -
since I am Israeli, I am not familiar with the US one. At Israel,
approaching the Romanian embassy is one experience to let pass.
Additional option is to hire a licensed researcher. One additional
problem is that Bucharest has several city halls, so you need to find
the correct one.

Regards,

Sorin Goldenberg,

Israel


Moderator's Note: Please don't mention names of researchers on the forum. Contact
individuals privately for recommendations. Be sure to check with the rom-sig
coordinators at: http://www.jewishgen.org/romsig/New/Contacts.html



PHYLGIZ@... wrote:

Hello all

My mother was born in Bucarest and I have a copy of her birth certificate
from there but it has some illegible parts. I am looking to get a new copy. I
went to the Romanian consulate in NYC last April where I completed an
application and paid them in cash for a copy of the certificate. I also
enclosed a copy of the one I had to assist them in locating the copy in Bucarest.
I also requested her mother's death certificate and enclosed a copy of the grave
card that I have. I have heard nothing at all.

I recall reading here about someone contacting the Romanian Embassy in DC
for assistance and wonder how that turned out. Is there any other advice
anyone has, or experience, with obtaining documents for Bucarest?

Whereas I know people are asked to reply privately for some family
questions, I think that any information or experience with resources, archives,
etc. in Romania would be valuable to all list members. This is a relatively
small group and Romania seems more difficult to get information >from than some of
the other places. I appreciate any thoughts on continuing researching this
area.

If anyone would like to respond to me privately about research experience I
would also welcome that.

Phyllis Simon
New York


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Acquiring documents from Romania #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

It depends on the dates of the records.
If they are 100 years old and more, then you can try to approach the
National Archives, Bucharest branch.
If they are newer, then the approach is via the embassy/consulate -
since I am Israeli, I am not familiar with the US one. At Israel,
approaching the Romanian embassy is one experience to let pass.
Additional option is to hire a licensed researcher. One additional
problem is that Bucharest has several city halls, so you need to find
the correct one.

Regards,

Sorin Goldenberg,

Israel


Moderator's Note: Please don't mention names of researchers on the forum. Contact
individuals privately for recommendations. Be sure to check with the rom-sig
coordinators at: http://www.jewishgen.org/romsig/New/Contacts.html



PHYLGIZ@... wrote:

Hello all

My mother was born in Bucarest and I have a copy of her birth certificate
from there but it has some illegible parts. I am looking to get a new copy. I
went to the Romanian consulate in NYC last April where I completed an
application and paid them in cash for a copy of the certificate. I also
enclosed a copy of the one I had to assist them in locating the copy in Bucarest.
I also requested her mother's death certificate and enclosed a copy of the grave
card that I have. I have heard nothing at all.

I recall reading here about someone contacting the Romanian Embassy in DC
for assistance and wonder how that turned out. Is there any other advice
anyone has, or experience, with obtaining documents for Bucarest?

Whereas I know people are asked to reply privately for some family
questions, I think that any information or experience with resources, archives,
etc. in Romania would be valuable to all list members. This is a relatively
small group and Romania seems more difficult to get information >from than some of
the other places. I appreciate any thoughts on continuing researching this
area.

If anyone would like to respond to me privately about research experience I
would also welcome that.

Phyllis Simon
New York


Searching for Tolkiew, Austria #general

Sonja Lessne, MD <sonja104@...>
 

While searching emigration records for the HEROLD Family I came across Matel Herold
from Tolkiew, Austria in the manifest of the ship Kaiserin Auguste Victoria noted
to be sailing >from Hamburg on the 22 of November, 1913. The name of the town was
written 3 times and in easily readable script so I am fairly sure of the spelling.
The Jewish Herold Family, as far as I know are >from the area of Lviv [ljviw],
German: Lemberg; Polish: Lww; Russian: L'vov; (Galicia). I can find no city by
that name anywhere. I wonder if anyone has ever heard of it.
Thanks,
Sonja Lessne
Orlando, Florida

MODERATOR NOTE: One of the great search tools available is ShtetlSeeker - it is at
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Tolkiew, Austria #general

Sonja Lessne, MD <sonja104@...>
 

While searching emigration records for the HEROLD Family I came across Matel Herold
from Tolkiew, Austria in the manifest of the ship Kaiserin Auguste Victoria noted
to be sailing >from Hamburg on the 22 of November, 1913. The name of the town was
written 3 times and in easily readable script so I am fairly sure of the spelling.
The Jewish Herold Family, as far as I know are >from the area of Lviv [ljviw],
German: Lemberg; Polish: Lww; Russian: L'vov; (Galicia). I can find no city by
that name anywhere. I wonder if anyone has ever heard of it.
Thanks,
Sonja Lessne
Orlando, Florida

MODERATOR NOTE: One of the great search tools available is ShtetlSeeker - it is at
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/


Bad Arolson Archive links #germany

John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
 

The friend who sent me the link to the CBS TV program about
the Bad Arolson Holocaust archives follows up with this link:

http://judaism.about.com/od/holocaust/a/its_badarolson.htm

It's a rehash of the story but contains several
interesting links at the bottom, under "sources")
including 2006 news coverage of the subject >from sources around the world.

John Paul Lowens, Suburban NYC GerSIG Moderator


German SIG #Germany Bad Arolson Archive links #germany

John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
 

The friend who sent me the link to the CBS TV program about
the Bad Arolson Holocaust archives follows up with this link:

http://judaism.about.com/od/holocaust/a/its_badarolson.htm

It's a rehash of the story but contains several
interesting links at the bottom, under "sources")
including 2006 news coverage of the subject >from sources around the world.

John Paul Lowens, Suburban NYC GerSIG Moderator


Fw: Maternal ancestors - JACKOBS (any and all varients)J #germany

Eileen <kydebren@...>
 

I have been searching without success for my maternal grandmother's origin
and for her ancestors.

My original information was that the family was >from Schneidemuhl. The
information was based on a photograph taken in the late 19th or very early
20th century in that city. The family name (as I know it >from wedding
invitation) was JACOBS. I now seems likely the family originated from
somewhere in the Posen region.

Grandmother - Jewish nomenclature: Szeporah Bas Mendel English: Sophie
JACOBS Supowit. Was married to Elias (Ellis) SUPOWITS, 3 March, 1895, at the
Golden Rule Hall, Rivington St., NYC, NY. She passed away in 1948 and was
between 82-84 years old.

Sophie lived in NYC, as did her siblings, George JACOBS, Carl JACOBS, Sarah,
Laura and Pauline at least until her marriage. Mom Sophie moved to
Shenandoah, PA with her husband. Pauline married (unknown name) moved to
Sunbury PA and all other siblings eventually moved to the Detroit MI area.

Since all of that generation and members of the next generation are deceased
and oral history is no longer available, I must rely on what records I am
able to locate (I have found the # of the marriage license and will be
requesting it) and the possible recollection of our generous sig members.

Thank you for you time attention and hopefully input.

Eileen BRENNER #28866 Hazleton, PA <kydebren@...>


German SIG #Germany Fw: Maternal ancestors - JACKOBS (any and all varients)J #germany

Eileen <kydebren@...>
 

I have been searching without success for my maternal grandmother's origin
and for her ancestors.

My original information was that the family was >from Schneidemuhl. The
information was based on a photograph taken in the late 19th or very early
20th century in that city. The family name (as I know it >from wedding
invitation) was JACOBS. I now seems likely the family originated from
somewhere in the Posen region.

Grandmother - Jewish nomenclature: Szeporah Bas Mendel English: Sophie
JACOBS Supowit. Was married to Elias (Ellis) SUPOWITS, 3 March, 1895, at the
Golden Rule Hall, Rivington St., NYC, NY. She passed away in 1948 and was
between 82-84 years old.

Sophie lived in NYC, as did her siblings, George JACOBS, Carl JACOBS, Sarah,
Laura and Pauline at least until her marriage. Mom Sophie moved to
Shenandoah, PA with her husband. Pauline married (unknown name) moved to
Sunbury PA and all other siblings eventually moved to the Detroit MI area.

Since all of that generation and members of the next generation are deceased
and oral history is no longer available, I must rely on what records I am
able to locate (I have found the # of the marriage license and will be
requesting it) and the possible recollection of our generous sig members.

Thank you for you time attention and hopefully input.

Eileen BRENNER #28866 Hazleton, PA <kydebren@...>


Re: girtagola, was:LEVENTHAL in Lithuania #general

Jules Levin
 

I would like to thank all those who correctly deciphered my ggf's town name,
written as Gertagolder, to be Girtagola, now Girkalnis. Regarding this name change,
which antedated the Soviet occupation and extensive name revision, you might be
amused to learn that "Girtagola" means something like "drunk end" as in, say, the
drunk end of town...On the other hand the new name, Girkalnis, means "forest hill".
Sounds like a developer's invention. Sadly, no one recognized the name of my ggm,
Libby Leventhal. Is there a way of searching the JewishGen data base by
searching names, within, say, a 20 kilometer radius of Girkalnis?
Again, thanks to all who responded.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen has a wealth of information in its databases. To check
out surnames and locales go to http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: girtagola, was:LEVENTHAL in Lithuania #general

Jules Levin
 

I would like to thank all those who correctly deciphered my ggf's town name,
written as Gertagolder, to be Girtagola, now Girkalnis. Regarding this name change,
which antedated the Soviet occupation and extensive name revision, you might be
amused to learn that "Girtagola" means something like "drunk end" as in, say, the
drunk end of town...On the other hand the new name, Girkalnis, means "forest hill".
Sounds like a developer's invention. Sadly, no one recognized the name of my ggm,
Libby Leventhal. Is there a way of searching the JewishGen data base by
searching names, within, say, a 20 kilometer radius of Girkalnis?
Again, thanks to all who responded.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen has a wealth of information in its databases. To check
out surnames and locales go to http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/


Passenger lists post-1924 #general

Israel P
 

A National Commercial Enterprise Supporting Those Researching Yesteryear whose name
we are not supposed to mention here, made their passenger list database freely
available for a few weeks a couple of months ago.

Among the new documents I found there are post-1924 passenger lists, however they
only had the left side of the manifest - the one titled "List or Manifest of Alien
Passengers for the United." When I asked them about the other half, they said
that's all they had and I couldn't do better on Steve Morse's resources either.
The Family History Library in Salt Lake City says that they have the full
manifests, but I was wondering if there is a way I can get at a few of these before
going to the Conference in July, without putting anyone to alot of trouble.

Thank you.

Israel Pickholtz
(writing >from Israel, where we have no FHL)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Passenger lists post-1924 #general

Israel P
 

A National Commercial Enterprise Supporting Those Researching Yesteryear whose name
we are not supposed to mention here, made their passenger list database freely
available for a few weeks a couple of months ago.

Among the new documents I found there are post-1924 passenger lists, however they
only had the left side of the manifest - the one titled "List or Manifest of Alien
Passengers for the United." When I asked them about the other half, they said
that's all they had and I couldn't do better on Steve Morse's resources either.
The Family History Library in Salt Lake City says that they have the full
manifests, but I was wondering if there is a way I can get at a few of these before
going to the Conference in July, without putting anyone to alot of trouble.

Thank you.

Israel Pickholtz
(writing >from Israel, where we have no FHL)