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Look up at Strassbourg Archives #france

Debby Gincig Painter
 

I was wondering if any one was going to the Strassbourg archives in the
near future? There is a very important question that needs answering.

It is not very important for me to have a copy of the birth certificate
- though if not too expensive it might be nice to have - but mostly I
need to verify the name of their mother. Mother is either Anna
Joskowitz (born July 07, 1879 Peitrkov?) or Nisle/Nishler Levi (born
August 22, 1881 Strassbourg). Father: Mosiek Srul "Max" Klinger.

LEA ELISABETH KLINGER born June 7, 1905 (also have dates of June 9,
1907 and July 7, 1907) in Herbsheim?
ISADORE KLINGER born March 15, 1908 in Strassbourg

Would also be nice if the names of Nisle/Nishler Levi could be found.

Thank you in advance,
Debby Painter
Michigan
Searching: GINZIG, GINCIG, LUSTIG, KLINGER, SCHTOKHAMER


French SIG #France Look up at Strassbourg Archives #france

Debby Gincig Painter
 

I was wondering if any one was going to the Strassbourg archives in the
near future? There is a very important question that needs answering.

It is not very important for me to have a copy of the birth certificate
- though if not too expensive it might be nice to have - but mostly I
need to verify the name of their mother. Mother is either Anna
Joskowitz (born July 07, 1879 Peitrkov?) or Nisle/Nishler Levi (born
August 22, 1881 Strassbourg). Father: Mosiek Srul "Max" Klinger.

LEA ELISABETH KLINGER born June 7, 1905 (also have dates of June 9,
1907 and July 7, 1907) in Herbsheim?
ISADORE KLINGER born March 15, 1908 in Strassbourg

Would also be nice if the names of Nisle/Nishler Levi could be found.

Thank you in advance,
Debby Painter
Michigan
Searching: GINZIG, GINCIG, LUSTIG, KLINGER, SCHTOKHAMER


Boris Wener #general

Robert W. Kraft <bobbyalice@...>
 

I am seeking relatives of Boris Wener, [Vinik], born in Janova, Lithuania in 1920.
He went to live in Israel about 1933.

Bob Kraft
Boynton Beach, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Boris Wener #general

Robert W. Kraft <bobbyalice@...>
 

I am seeking relatives of Boris Wener, [Vinik], born in Janova, Lithuania in 1920.
He went to live in Israel about 1933.

Bob Kraft
Boynton Beach, FL


Re: directory #poland

Nicole BERLINE <nberline@...>
 

In response to queries I have received about the Polish directory I
mentioned in a recent post:

This particular directory lies on the website of the Library of Congress
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=gdc3&fileName=scd0001_20020611001wapage.db

but it is much easier to start >from the excellent site
of Logan Kleinwaks:

Search Engine for Online Historical Directories
http://www.dbhd.org/search.php#2

Best wishes
Nicole Berline, Paris
researching ROTENSZTEJN, ROCHMAN, RAKOWER, Warsaw.


JRI Poland #Poland Re: directory #poland

Nicole BERLINE <nberline@...>
 

In response to queries I have received about the Polish directory I
mentioned in a recent post:

This particular directory lies on the website of the Library of Congress
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=gdc3&fileName=scd0001_20020611001wapage.db

but it is much easier to start >from the excellent site
of Logan Kleinwaks:

Search Engine for Online Historical Directories
http://www.dbhd.org/search.php#2

Best wishes
Nicole Berline, Paris
researching ROTENSZTEJN, ROCHMAN, RAKOWER, Warsaw.


Krasnik Judenrat Database #poland

d shiff
 

My father's family originates >from the town of Krasnik, which lies about 27
miles southwest of Lublin in the Janow district of Poland. The JewishGen
website states that it had a Jewish population in 1900 of approximately
3,260.

In the course of my research on the Yad Vashem website I came across a list
prepared in 1942 by the Krasnik Judenrat - the Jewish self-government
appointed by the Nazis. The document - which is beautifully handwritten -
lists all of the Jews living in Krasnik at that point in time. The list
is 175 pages long and contains 5,090 names.

For most of the individuals on the list, which is largely alphabetical
and broken down by surname and address, the parents given names are provided
as well as the individual's date of birth (often with the day, month and
year of birth) as well as the address.

There is a shorter list dating >from 1944 that is 34 pages long and contains
912 names (some of which are duplicates of the the 1942 list).

Although going through the handwritten list is somewhat tedious, i was able
to extract incredible information >from the document. I therefore decided
that it would be worthwhile to make this information more accessible by
entering all of the data onto a very large Excel spreadsheet. I further
cross-referenced the information with whatever information I could gather
from the Krasnik Yizkor Book and >from any pages of testimony I could discover
on the Yad Vashem website that related to indiividuals who were either born
or who had lived at some point in Krasnik.

While this is obviously a work-in-progress, I have now compiled a database
containing 6,925 names of individuals who lived in Krasnik or the vicinity
during the war years. By cross-referencing with the Yad Vashem pages of
testimony I have been able to ascertain some maiden names, as well as
identify survivors (fewer then 250 out of 6,900) and martyrs.

I would love to hear >from anybody whose family lived in Krasnik or the
immeditae vicinity during the war and share whatever information I can
provide.

Please e-mail me privately at rabardo@hotmail.com.

Danny Shiff
Toronto, Canada

Researching: SZYFF, ROZENKRANTZ, FISZHAUT in Krasnik or Janow Lubelski

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Many town-based lists are available on the Yad
Vashem website < www.yadvashem.org > by searching the "Shoah-Related Lists
Database," the third listing down in the right hand column, under "New on the
Website."


JRI Poland #Poland Krasnik Judenrat Database #poland

d shiff
 

My father's family originates >from the town of Krasnik, which lies about 27
miles southwest of Lublin in the Janow district of Poland. The JewishGen
website states that it had a Jewish population in 1900 of approximately
3,260.

In the course of my research on the Yad Vashem website I came across a list
prepared in 1942 by the Krasnik Judenrat - the Jewish self-government
appointed by the Nazis. The document - which is beautifully handwritten -
lists all of the Jews living in Krasnik at that point in time. The list
is 175 pages long and contains 5,090 names.

For most of the individuals on the list, which is largely alphabetical
and broken down by surname and address, the parents given names are provided
as well as the individual's date of birth (often with the day, month and
year of birth) as well as the address.

There is a shorter list dating >from 1944 that is 34 pages long and contains
912 names (some of which are duplicates of the the 1942 list).

Although going through the handwritten list is somewhat tedious, i was able
to extract incredible information >from the document. I therefore decided
that it would be worthwhile to make this information more accessible by
entering all of the data onto a very large Excel spreadsheet. I further
cross-referenced the information with whatever information I could gather
from the Krasnik Yizkor Book and >from any pages of testimony I could discover
on the Yad Vashem website that related to indiividuals who were either born
or who had lived at some point in Krasnik.

While this is obviously a work-in-progress, I have now compiled a database
containing 6,925 names of individuals who lived in Krasnik or the vicinity
during the war years. By cross-referencing with the Yad Vashem pages of
testimony I have been able to ascertain some maiden names, as well as
identify survivors (fewer then 250 out of 6,900) and martyrs.

I would love to hear >from anybody whose family lived in Krasnik or the
immeditae vicinity during the war and share whatever information I can
provide.

Please e-mail me privately at rabardo@hotmail.com.

Danny Shiff
Toronto, Canada

Researching: SZYFF, ROZENKRANTZ, FISZHAUT in Krasnik or Janow Lubelski

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Many town-based lists are available on the Yad
Vashem website < www.yadvashem.org > by searching the "Shoah-Related Lists
Database," the third listing down in the right hand column, under "New on the
Website."


BOCHNIA #poland

ADDRESSING@...
 

I have a Polish book listing the names in the Jewish cemetery in Bochnia.
There are even pictures of the some of the stones. The names include:
LAMENSDORF, STEINBERGER, KLAUSNER, etc. Please send your requests to me
at:
jbbb@optonline.net

Jeanette Isenberg Bersh

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland BOCHNIA #poland

ADDRESSING@...
 

I have a Polish book listing the names in the Jewish cemetery in Bochnia.
There are even pictures of the some of the stones. The names include:
LAMENSDORF, STEINBERGER, KLAUSNER, etc. Please send your requests to me
at:
jbbb@optonline.net

Jeanette Isenberg Bersh

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Re: [Meaning of slang German word] "Fizzamadenda" #germany

Carol Baird <sbaird@...>
 

I never thought I'd hear that word again after my parents died, but I guess it
was a German expression after all. When I was small, my folks always told me
not to create a fuss.....or what I heard, 'fizz-a-me-tenta'- short 'e' sound;
(plural, when I did a lot of them was 'fizz-a-me-tenten'!).

Since my German folks told me their families NEVER spoke or even knew Yiddish
(yeah, right), I have found in my genealogical research, that many of the
words I learned as a child, have turned out to be variants of Yiddish.
Perhaps this is one of them. I, too, would love someone else to have
an answer to this mystery word.

Carol Davidson Baird Solana Beach, CA <sbaird@ucsd.edu>

MODERATOR NOTE: REMINDER: When you answer a question in this list you should
send a copy of your answer to the person who asked it by private email
*** in addition *** to any reply you send to the list.

The question >from janetk521@hotmail.com was off topic to our
list since it had no bearing on genealogy research. I rejected
most of the many responses as off-topic.

One answer, >from Dr. Wolfgang Fritzsche, was approved because it contained
an interesting historical note. I have approved Carol Baird's answer (above)
because it reminds us that many German Jews believed incorrectly that their
ancestors never spoke "Yiddish" and / or other Jewish-German dialects.

For information on Yiddish and the Judeo German dialect search for "Bernet and
Yiddish" in the GerSIG Archives. (Sat, 10 Nov 2007)

Most of the other replies contained quotations >from dictionaries and other
reference books that can be viewed on the Internet. MODERATOR


German SIG #Germany Re: [Meaning of slang German word] "Fizzamadenda" #germany

Carol Baird <sbaird@...>
 

I never thought I'd hear that word again after my parents died, but I guess it
was a German expression after all. When I was small, my folks always told me
not to create a fuss.....or what I heard, 'fizz-a-me-tenta'- short 'e' sound;
(plural, when I did a lot of them was 'fizz-a-me-tenten'!).

Since my German folks told me their families NEVER spoke or even knew Yiddish
(yeah, right), I have found in my genealogical research, that many of the
words I learned as a child, have turned out to be variants of Yiddish.
Perhaps this is one of them. I, too, would love someone else to have
an answer to this mystery word.

Carol Davidson Baird Solana Beach, CA <sbaird@ucsd.edu>

MODERATOR NOTE: REMINDER: When you answer a question in this list you should
send a copy of your answer to the person who asked it by private email
*** in addition *** to any reply you send to the list.

The question >from janetk521@hotmail.com was off topic to our
list since it had no bearing on genealogy research. I rejected
most of the many responses as off-topic.

One answer, >from Dr. Wolfgang Fritzsche, was approved because it contained
an interesting historical note. I have approved Carol Baird's answer (above)
because it reminds us that many German Jews believed incorrectly that their
ancestors never spoke "Yiddish" and / or other Jewish-German dialects.

For information on Yiddish and the Judeo German dialect search for "Bernet and
Yiddish" in the GerSIG Archives. (Sat, 10 Nov 2007)

Most of the other replies contained quotations >from dictionaries and other
reference books that can be viewed on the Internet. MODERATOR


Seeking Jack FRANKL #general

rickglaser@...
 

Hello. I am seeking information about Jack FRANKL. He is/was a second cousin of
my mother, Susanne Stein Glaser. I would assume that he was born approximately
1910 to 1930. According to the sketchy information that I have, he has four
children. His parents were Wilma STEIN and Ben FRANKL. His mother(Wilman STEIN)'s
father was Julius STEIN. He was married to someone with the surname ROTHSCHILD.
Julius STEIN's father was Wilhelm STEIN, my gg grandfather. Wilhelm STEIN lived
in Bohemia, perhaps around Saaz. It is a possibility that Julius moved to the US.

Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Rick Glaser, Owings Mills MD


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Jack FRANKL #general

rickglaser@...
 

Hello. I am seeking information about Jack FRANKL. He is/was a second cousin of
my mother, Susanne Stein Glaser. I would assume that he was born approximately
1910 to 1930. According to the sketchy information that I have, he has four
children. His parents were Wilma STEIN and Ben FRANKL. His mother(Wilman STEIN)'s
father was Julius STEIN. He was married to someone with the surname ROTHSCHILD.
Julius STEIN's father was Wilhelm STEIN, my gg grandfather. Wilhelm STEIN lived
in Bohemia, perhaps around Saaz. It is a possibility that Julius moved to the US.

Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Rick Glaser, Owings Mills MD


Re: Records Births/ Marriages/ Deaths. #general

Wegner, Peter
 

rees-williams [mailto:rees-williams@wanadoo.fr]wrote:
Lewis Levy was born in 1804 in Deal, Kent,this was before census returns were
started. I have checked parish records for that period but can find no trace.
Would Jewish births etc, be registered with the parish or would they be recorded
elswhere i.e synogogue records etc.

Dear Rees,
The answer could be "either or both of the above" (that is, if registered at all.
Births in Britain were not required to be registered prior to 1837, but some Jews
did choose to do so, and used the local parish register.

As for synagogue records, I don't think there was ever a synagogue at Deal. The
synagogue in nearby Dover was founded only in the 1860s. So, synagogue record
unlikely. However, you could still get lucky, as the late historian Cecil Roth of
blessed memory wrote as follows: " Rabbl Ash was active at Dover about this period,
a record of circumcisions performed by him throughout Kent, >from 1768 to 1818,
being preserved in the Jewish Museum, London. " There's a good chance your guy
could be listed in that record! So, contact the Jewish Museum, London -- it's well
worth a try.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Records Births/ Marriages/ Deaths. #general

Wegner, Peter
 

rees-williams [mailto:rees-williams@wanadoo.fr]wrote:
Lewis Levy was born in 1804 in Deal, Kent,this was before census returns were
started. I have checked parish records for that period but can find no trace.
Would Jewish births etc, be registered with the parish or would they be recorded
elswhere i.e synogogue records etc.

Dear Rees,
The answer could be "either or both of the above" (that is, if registered at all.
Births in Britain were not required to be registered prior to 1837, but some Jews
did choose to do so, and used the local parish register.

As for synagogue records, I don't think there was ever a synagogue at Deal. The
synagogue in nearby Dover was founded only in the 1860s. So, synagogue record
unlikely. However, you could still get lucky, as the late historian Cecil Roth of
blessed memory wrote as follows: " Rabbl Ash was active at Dover about this period,
a record of circumcisions performed by him throughout Kent, >from 1768 to 1818,
being preserved in the Jewish Museum, London. " There's a good chance your guy
could be listed in that record! So, contact the Jewish Museum, London -- it's well
worth a try.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


INTRO - researching HELF family from Rhineland, Germany #germany

mnero348@yahoo.com
 

Hello GerSig,
I recently joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for about
twenty years, off and on. I consider myself to be a beginner in doing * German *
Jewish Genealogy research.

I live in an urban area of California, U.S.A. My native language is English and
I also know French on a basic level. I consider myself intermediate in using
a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.

I have identified the names and birth and death dates
of my grandparents and my great grandparents.

My primary research goals now are to find out:
my great great great grandfather's origins:
HELF -- Seeking information on Anton Helf who was born
about 1811. Married Gertrude LOHNER in 1842 in Eich,
Rhineland-Palatinate. They emigrated to New York in 1852.

The family names and ancestral towns that I have entered in the JGFF Family
Finder under JGFF Researcher ID number 303694 are:

HELF >from Koblenz, Germany and HELF >from USA.

Michelle Ann Nero mnero348@yahoo.com Palo Alto, California, USA

MOD NOTE: Thank you for your INTRO and for adding your ancestors' names
to the JGFF database.


German SIG #Germany INTRO - researching HELF family from Rhineland, Germany #germany

mnero348@yahoo.com
 

Hello GerSig,
I recently joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for about
twenty years, off and on. I consider myself to be a beginner in doing * German *
Jewish Genealogy research.

I live in an urban area of California, U.S.A. My native language is English and
I also know French on a basic level. I consider myself intermediate in using
a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.

I have identified the names and birth and death dates
of my grandparents and my great grandparents.

My primary research goals now are to find out:
my great great great grandfather's origins:
HELF -- Seeking information on Anton Helf who was born
about 1811. Married Gertrude LOHNER in 1842 in Eich,
Rhineland-Palatinate. They emigrated to New York in 1852.

The family names and ancestral towns that I have entered in the JGFF Family
Finder under JGFF Researcher ID number 303694 are:

HELF >from Koblenz, Germany and HELF >from USA.

Michelle Ann Nero mnero348@yahoo.com Palo Alto, California, USA

MOD NOTE: Thank you for your INTRO and for adding your ancestors' names
to the JGFF database.


Searching For Info on Binumen HOCHBERG or Bluma DANZIK #general

west24th@...
 

I'm searching for any current information on Bluma DANZIK (nee HOCHBERG), who
submitted a Page of Testimony at Yad Vashem for Binumen Hochberg >from Kleck, Poland
(now Bellaruss). In 1978 Bluma Danzik she resided in Brooklyn , NY. If anyone
recognizes Bluma Danzik or Binumen Hochberg or knows of their descendants, please
contact me. I am doing this to help someone looking for her Hochberg relatives.
Howard Sedlitz, New York
West24th@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching For Info on Binumen HOCHBERG or Bluma DANZIK #general

west24th@...
 

I'm searching for any current information on Bluma DANZIK (nee HOCHBERG), who
submitted a Page of Testimony at Yad Vashem for Binumen Hochberg >from Kleck, Poland
(now Bellaruss). In 1978 Bluma Danzik she resided in Brooklyn , NY. If anyone
recognizes Bluma Danzik or Binumen Hochberg or knows of their descendants, please
contact me. I am doing this to help someone looking for her Hochberg relatives.
Howard Sedlitz, New York
West24th@aol.com