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Re: Bribing to get out of Death Camps #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

On 28 Jun 2009 05:56:29 -0700, arosen2@cox.net (Andy) wrote:

[...] His Jewish mother was an Argentine citizen at the time
of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather) lived in Vienna, Austria
and was deported to Dachau Concentration camp at the onset of the time
that the Nazis were removing all Jews >from this country.

Through a series of connections and bribery, she managed to have her
father taken >from this death camp and deported to Argentina.

Can anyone authenticate if occurrences like this one ever occurred
with any relative frequency? I never heard of this happening before.
If you put
Dachau emigration
as keywords in a search engine such as Google, you will find a number
of instances.

Cecilia Nyleve


Re: Bribing to get out of Death Camps #general

Roger Lustig
 

Andy:
You'd do well to confirm the details of this story. First: when did
this happen? Mass deportations >from Austria happened >from late 1941
onward, and 1942 would be the date for the "onset of the time what the
Nazis were removing all Jews."

That your friend's grandfather was taken to Dachau suggests that he
already had special status, as very few Jews were deported >from Austria
into Germany. Mauthausen (in Austria), Theresienstadt (in what had been
Czechoslovakia), Lodz and the ghettos to the east were more common
destinations. Also: Dachau was not a death camp, i.e., there were no
programs of systematic murder carried out there. A horrible
concentration camp, to be sure--but not like Auschwitz or Belzec.

Argentina was a neutral country, so his citizenship would likely have
been respected by the authorities, at least to the extent of not sending
him to the ghettos and extermination camps. And it was quite possible
to get to Argentina--my great-grandmother and her daughter (my
great-aunt) emigrated there to join the rest of their family in early 1941.

All told, there would have been little long-term benefit to keeping your
friend's grandfather in Dachau; it may well be that he was interned for
the purpose of extorting as much of his property as possible before
sending him to Argentina.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA
research co-ordinator, GerSIG

Andy wrote:

I recently spoke with a friend that shared what I believe to be a very
unique story: His Jewish mother was an Argentine citizen at the time
of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather) lived in Vienna, Austria
and was deported to Dachau Concentration camp at the onset of the time
that the Nazis were removing all Jews >from this country.

Through a series of connections and bribery, she managed to have her
father taken >from this death camp and deported to Argentina.

Can anyone authenticate if occurrences like this one ever occurred
with any relative frequency? I never heard of this happening before.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bribing to get out of Death Camps #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

On 28 Jun 2009 05:56:29 -0700, arosen2@cox.net (Andy) wrote:

[...] His Jewish mother was an Argentine citizen at the time
of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather) lived in Vienna, Austria
and was deported to Dachau Concentration camp at the onset of the time
that the Nazis were removing all Jews >from this country.

Through a series of connections and bribery, she managed to have her
father taken >from this death camp and deported to Argentina.

Can anyone authenticate if occurrences like this one ever occurred
with any relative frequency? I never heard of this happening before.
If you put
Dachau emigration
as keywords in a search engine such as Google, you will find a number
of instances.

Cecilia Nyleve


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bribing to get out of Death Camps #general

Roger Lustig
 

Andy:
You'd do well to confirm the details of this story. First: when did
this happen? Mass deportations >from Austria happened >from late 1941
onward, and 1942 would be the date for the "onset of the time what the
Nazis were removing all Jews."

That your friend's grandfather was taken to Dachau suggests that he
already had special status, as very few Jews were deported >from Austria
into Germany. Mauthausen (in Austria), Theresienstadt (in what had been
Czechoslovakia), Lodz and the ghettos to the east were more common
destinations. Also: Dachau was not a death camp, i.e., there were no
programs of systematic murder carried out there. A horrible
concentration camp, to be sure--but not like Auschwitz or Belzec.

Argentina was a neutral country, so his citizenship would likely have
been respected by the authorities, at least to the extent of not sending
him to the ghettos and extermination camps. And it was quite possible
to get to Argentina--my great-grandmother and her daughter (my
great-aunt) emigrated there to join the rest of their family in early 1941.

All told, there would have been little long-term benefit to keeping your
friend's grandfather in Dachau; it may well be that he was interned for
the purpose of extorting as much of his property as possible before
sending him to Argentina.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA
research co-ordinator, GerSIG

Andy wrote:

I recently spoke with a friend that shared what I believe to be a very
unique story: His Jewish mother was an Argentine citizen at the time
of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather) lived in Vienna, Austria
and was deported to Dachau Concentration camp at the onset of the time
that the Nazis were removing all Jews >from this country.

Through a series of connections and bribery, she managed to have her
father taken >from this death camp and deported to Argentina.

Can anyone authenticate if occurrences like this one ever occurred
with any relative frequency? I never heard of this happening before.


Katowice Archives records #general

Israel P
 

It appears that I shall be needing to place an order with the Katowice
Archives in a few weeks.

I would be pleased to have anyone interested join me.

Please make sure that the record(s) that you want appear(s) in the JRI-
Poland database and that the words "Katowice Archives" appear in the
heading of the search results.

There is a summary of the available records in the Katowice Archives at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/psa/psakatowice.htm and I have no
knowledge of my own. I have never ordered >from the Katowice Archives
before and cannot speak responsibly about how long it takes etc. (I'm
just a regular guy who needs to place an order and wants help covering
bank expenses etc.)

This order will be >from the Archives, not >from the Civil Records Office.

Speak with me privately regarding details.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Katowice Archives records #general

Israel P
 

It appears that I shall be needing to place an order with the Katowice
Archives in a few weeks.

I would be pleased to have anyone interested join me.

Please make sure that the record(s) that you want appear(s) in the JRI-
Poland database and that the words "Katowice Archives" appear in the
heading of the search results.

There is a summary of the available records in the Katowice Archives at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/psa/psakatowice.htm and I have no
knowledge of my own. I have never ordered >from the Katowice Archives
before and cannot speak responsibly about how long it takes etc. (I'm
just a regular guy who needs to place an order and wants help covering
bank expenses etc.)

This order will be >from the Archives, not >from the Civil Records Office.

Speak with me privately regarding details.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


Bribing to get out of Death Camps #general

Andy <arosen2@...>
 

I recently spoke with a friend that shared what I believe to be a very
unique story: His Jewish mother was an Argentine citizen at the time
of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather) lived in Vienna, Austria
and was deported to Dachau Concentration camp at the onset of the time
that the Nazis were removing all Jews >from this country.

Through a series of connections and bribery, she managed to have her
father taken >from this death camp and deported to Argentina.

Can anyone authenticate if occurrences like this one ever occurred
with any relative frequency? I never heard of this happening before.

Thank you for your kind assistance!!

Warmly,

Andy Rosen
Tucson, Arizona
arosen2@cox.net

Researching the shtetl of Jezierna and surnames: CHARAP, TEICHOLZ,
HIRSCHORN, NAGELBERG, BARAD, EIDEL, STEINKRITZ, ROSENBLATT, YEAGER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bribing to get out of Death Camps #general

Andy <arosen2@...>
 

I recently spoke with a friend that shared what I believe to be a very
unique story: His Jewish mother was an Argentine citizen at the time
of WWII. Her father (my friend's grandfather) lived in Vienna, Austria
and was deported to Dachau Concentration camp at the onset of the time
that the Nazis were removing all Jews >from this country.

Through a series of connections and bribery, she managed to have her
father taken >from this death camp and deported to Argentina.

Can anyone authenticate if occurrences like this one ever occurred
with any relative frequency? I never heard of this happening before.

Thank you for your kind assistance!!

Warmly,

Andy Rosen
Tucson, Arizona
arosen2@cox.net

Researching the shtetl of Jezierna and surnames: CHARAP, TEICHOLZ,
HIRSCHORN, NAGELBERG, BARAD, EIDEL, STEINKRITZ, ROSENBLATT, YEAGER


Jewish Agricultural colonies in the Southern Ukraine #general

Chaim freedman
 

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm
This site was set up originally by Nancy Holden, then managed by Pavel
Bernshtam and over the last year by Max Hefler.

It includes much information about the history of Jewish agricultural
settlement, mainly in the south eastern Ukraine.

Archival material includes revision lists, election voting results,
photographs, maps, and personal memoirs of colony life, pogroms, war and
Holocaust.

During the last year the following material has been added to the site:

Photos of Ekaterinoslav colony synagogues, schools, administrative
offices and general scenes >from St.Petersburg Central State Archive of
photos.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/photoplaceindex.htm

Maps of colonies 1865 >from Yakov Pasik's site The Guide to Jewish
Agricultural Colonies of South Ukraine
http://www.evkol.nm.ru/js_ukraine_en.htm

Zatishye colony - donor list >from Hamaggid Hebrew newspaper 1872

Translation of names >from Dobra colony

List of Novozlatopol massacre Victims of the Holocaust in Russian
Cyrillic and in English.

List of Jews of Vitebsk Guberniya who settled in Novozlatopol in
Russian Cyrillic and in English.

Prenumeranten list of 2000 names in colonies and towns of
Yekaterinoslav and Kherson Guberniyas, >from 'Imrei Shmuel', Part three,
1912.

Grafskoy revision list 1858.
Mezherich revision list, 1858.

Some of the material has not been translated >from Russian and volunteers are
welcome.

We would like to see all the lists included in the Jewishgen Ukraine
database but do not have the manpower to key in the details.

Additional material should be sent to

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Yakov Pasik's site, above, asks to install
software on your computer. Use at your own risk, preferably
with a browser that has adequate security controls.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Agricultural colonies in the Southern Ukraine #general

Chaim freedman
 

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm
This site was set up originally by Nancy Holden, then managed by Pavel
Bernshtam and over the last year by Max Hefler.

It includes much information about the history of Jewish agricultural
settlement, mainly in the south eastern Ukraine.

Archival material includes revision lists, election voting results,
photographs, maps, and personal memoirs of colony life, pogroms, war and
Holocaust.

During the last year the following material has been added to the site:

Photos of Ekaterinoslav colony synagogues, schools, administrative
offices and general scenes >from St.Petersburg Central State Archive of
photos.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/photoplaceindex.htm

Maps of colonies 1865 >from Yakov Pasik's site The Guide to Jewish
Agricultural Colonies of South Ukraine
http://www.evkol.nm.ru/js_ukraine_en.htm

Zatishye colony - donor list >from Hamaggid Hebrew newspaper 1872

Translation of names >from Dobra colony

List of Novozlatopol massacre Victims of the Holocaust in Russian
Cyrillic and in English.

List of Jews of Vitebsk Guberniya who settled in Novozlatopol in
Russian Cyrillic and in English.

Prenumeranten list of 2000 names in colonies and towns of
Yekaterinoslav and Kherson Guberniyas, >from 'Imrei Shmuel', Part three,
1912.

Grafskoy revision list 1858.
Mezherich revision list, 1858.

Some of the material has not been translated >from Russian and volunteers are
welcome.

We would like to see all the lists included in the Jewishgen Ukraine
database but do not have the manpower to key in the details.

Additional material should be sent to

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Yakov Pasik's site, above, asks to install
software on your computer. Use at your own risk, preferably
with a browser that has adequate security controls.


Jews from England to Australia #unitedkingdom

squirrel@...
 

I am currently involved in researching the name SOLOMON as a surname. There
were a number of individuals transported to Australia under the criminal act
as well as free settlers during the 1788 - 1850 era. I have a data base of
over 2000 BDM's of the surname "Solomon" who lived in Victoria, New South
Wales, Tasmania, South Australia and Western Australia which I am willing to
share and discuss. I have not located a specific Australia Jew section to
the research on this site as yet unless I have been looking incorrectly.

Out of the Solomon lines I have been exploring the main line consists of

Abraham Jacob Solomon who married Julia Isaacs 4th July 1849

Isaac Solomon who married Ann Julian 1807 Great Synagogue, Duke's Place
London

I have an arrangements of BDM CD's at home so can look up names for any
reader if interested

David

Dr David Squirrell
MB BS DipObst RACOG FRACGP FACRRM GDRH GDMSM GCDM CEMST Dip
Bus Dip Theo
Retired Hospital Consultant


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Jews from England to Australia #unitedkingdom

squirrel@...
 

I am currently involved in researching the name SOLOMON as a surname. There
were a number of individuals transported to Australia under the criminal act
as well as free settlers during the 1788 - 1850 era. I have a data base of
over 2000 BDM's of the surname "Solomon" who lived in Victoria, New South
Wales, Tasmania, South Australia and Western Australia which I am willing to
share and discuss. I have not located a specific Australia Jew section to
the research on this site as yet unless I have been looking incorrectly.

Out of the Solomon lines I have been exploring the main line consists of

Abraham Jacob Solomon who married Julia Isaacs 4th July 1849

Isaac Solomon who married Ann Julian 1807 Great Synagogue, Duke's Place
London

I have an arrangements of BDM CD's at home so can look up names for any
reader if interested

David

Dr David Squirrell
MB BS DipObst RACOG FRACGP FACRRM GDRH GDMSM GCDM CEMST Dip
Bus Dip Theo
Retired Hospital Consultant


Re: jcr-uk digest: June 26, 2009 #unitedkingdom

gerrywin@...
 

Look in the Free BMD for marriages of that time >from Birmingham.

Gerry Winerman
Researching Mendoza

----- Original Message -----


Subject: Wolf Simmonds Nathan Asher
From: j_nathan@012.net.il
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:05:33 +0300
X-Message-Number: 2

Shalom,
Wolf Simmonds and Nathan Asher were the witnesses on the civil
registration
of the marriage of Catharine Asher to Solomon Shappere which took place in
July 1850 in Birmingham.I would be interested to hear if there is anyone
who
might know anything about Wolf Simmonds and or Nathan Asher.Catharine's
father was Asher Asher and it is possible that her mother was widowed and
remarried to ? Simmonds.
Also is does anyone know where I can get information about synagogue
records of Bristol and Cheltenham around 1830 - 1840.
Thank you
Jon Nathan
Israel
j_nathan@012.net.il




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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: jcr-uk digest: June 26, 2009 #unitedkingdom

gerrywin@...
 

Look in the Free BMD for marriages of that time >from Birmingham.

Gerry Winerman
Researching Mendoza

----- Original Message -----


Subject: Wolf Simmonds Nathan Asher
From: j_nathan@012.net.il
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:05:33 +0300
X-Message-Number: 2

Shalom,
Wolf Simmonds and Nathan Asher were the witnesses on the civil
registration
of the marriage of Catharine Asher to Solomon Shappere which took place in
July 1850 in Birmingham.I would be interested to hear if there is anyone
who
might know anything about Wolf Simmonds and or Nathan Asher.Catharine's
father was Asher Asher and it is possible that her mother was widowed and
remarried to ? Simmonds.
Also is does anyone know where I can get information about synagogue
records of Bristol and Cheltenham around 1830 - 1840.
Thank you
Jon Nathan
Israel
j_nathan@012.net.il




---

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Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain
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German newspaper notices Re: WW1 Jewish Soldiers #germany

Helen
 

The newspaper, Allgemeine Zeitung des Judentums, at
http://www.compactmemory.de/ printed lists of Jewish soldiers, their rank
and place of enlistment who were awarded the Iron Cross, either first or
second class. The AZJ was published weekly and lists generally appeared
twice a month, sometimes more often. During the first half of 1916, the
lists generally, though not always, appeared on pages 13, 14 or 15. Trawling
through these newspapers can be tedious but I have found relatives' names.

Helen Hill Western Australia bloomhill@iprimus.com.au


German SIG #Germany German newspaper notices Re: WW1 Jewish Soldiers #germany

Helen
 

The newspaper, Allgemeine Zeitung des Judentums, at
http://www.compactmemory.de/ printed lists of Jewish soldiers, their rank
and place of enlistment who were awarded the Iron Cross, either first or
second class. The AZJ was published weekly and lists generally appeared
twice a month, sometimes more often. During the first half of 1916, the
lists generally, though not always, appeared on pages 13, 14 or 15. Trawling
through these newspapers can be tedious but I have found relatives' names.

Helen Hill Western Australia bloomhill@iprimus.com.au


FamilyTreeDNA 50% off testing until June 30th #galicia

Janet Akaha <Akaha@...>
 

FamilyTreeDNA is offering their Y-DNA 37-marker (father to father
to father) plus mtDNA (mother to mother to mother) for only $119.
To qualify for this deal you must join a group by June 30th and
pay for your kit by July 7th. FamilyTreeDNA is the same service
that is featured on the Jewishgen DNA pages.

The Y-chromosome 37 marker test can show if two individuals are
related within the 7-9 generation range. Since the Y chromosome is
passed essentially unchanged >from father to son, the donor must be
a direct line male. So they will most likely (but not necessarily)
have the same surname as their ancestor.

You need to join a group now to get the special rate and then you
can add other groups or remove yourself >from a group at any time.

Here are some of the projects that you can join:
Gesher Galicia (132 members)
Jewish Heritage Project (938 members)
Jewish Ukraine-West (334 members)
Belarus SIG (42 members)
Scandinavia SIG (1 members)
GermanJewish (34 members)

Send me a note if you want a link to any of the above websites to
check them out. Since your results are totally dependent on who
is in the database, you might want to increase the odds of finding
matches by forwarding this to others >from the same town or with
surnames in your direct line. In just the past 3 days I contacted
possible donors >from each of my lines and managed to recruit 13
people already!

I am not on expert on this and my brother just mailed his test in
a few days ago, but if you have questions I will try and answer
them as best I can.

Janet Billstein Akaha
Salinas, California

Searching: Perlzweig/Pelzweig of Kamenetz-Podilskiy/Jaroslaw,
Poland, and Dukla, Romania
Magzamin of unknown place in Galicia, possibly Roswadov


Bolechov, Ivano-Frankivsk, Kalusz, Stryj BOF #galicia

Melissa Weisberg
 

I am wondering if, at the conference, people researching Bolechov,
Ivano-Frankivsk, Kalusz, Rohatyn, and other villages/towns in that
area are planning to meet together. If no plan has yet been made,
is there any interest?

There may be some unique research challenges, and certainly some
interesting stories.

Melissa Weisberg


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia FamilyTreeDNA 50% off testing until June 30th #galicia

Janet Akaha <Akaha@...>
 

FamilyTreeDNA is offering their Y-DNA 37-marker (father to father
to father) plus mtDNA (mother to mother to mother) for only $119.
To qualify for this deal you must join a group by June 30th and
pay for your kit by July 7th. FamilyTreeDNA is the same service
that is featured on the Jewishgen DNA pages.

The Y-chromosome 37 marker test can show if two individuals are
related within the 7-9 generation range. Since the Y chromosome is
passed essentially unchanged >from father to son, the donor must be
a direct line male. So they will most likely (but not necessarily)
have the same surname as their ancestor.

You need to join a group now to get the special rate and then you
can add other groups or remove yourself >from a group at any time.

Here are some of the projects that you can join:
Gesher Galicia (132 members)
Jewish Heritage Project (938 members)
Jewish Ukraine-West (334 members)
Belarus SIG (42 members)
Scandinavia SIG (1 members)
GermanJewish (34 members)

Send me a note if you want a link to any of the above websites to
check them out. Since your results are totally dependent on who
is in the database, you might want to increase the odds of finding
matches by forwarding this to others >from the same town or with
surnames in your direct line. In just the past 3 days I contacted
possible donors >from each of my lines and managed to recruit 13
people already!

I am not on expert on this and my brother just mailed his test in
a few days ago, but if you have questions I will try and answer
them as best I can.

Janet Billstein Akaha
Salinas, California

Searching: Perlzweig/Pelzweig of Kamenetz-Podilskiy/Jaroslaw,
Poland, and Dukla, Romania
Magzamin of unknown place in Galicia, possibly Roswadov


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Bolechov, Ivano-Frankivsk, Kalusz, Stryj BOF #galicia

Melissa Weisberg
 

I am wondering if, at the conference, people researching Bolechov,
Ivano-Frankivsk, Kalusz, Rohatyn, and other villages/towns in that
area are planning to meet together. If no plan has yet been made,
is there any interest?

There may be some unique research challenges, and certainly some
interesting stories.

Melissa Weisberg