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My "little sister" Franny-Thank you #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

I want to thank all those who replied to my message, especially
regarding the clue of "B.H." being Beverly Hills.
I presume Franny was not >from the New York area as we would have
probably spoken on the phone regularly. I was never in California
(till age of 60) but we may have met at summer camp (if so probably
Camp Ramah, Wisconsin ).
I don't think there was a Camp Ramah in California in the 50s. I know
that thyere is a Camp Ramah alumni website and I'll check with them
also.

There is a slight chance that she was a daughter of a Conservative
Rabbi ( my father was and she mentions asking her father about
"bulletins" For me growing up in the states "bulletins" Shul
Bulletins.) It would make sense that a Conservative Rabbi would send
his daughter to Camp Ramah. Though this direction is speculative.

Yoni


"Russian Jews: Analytical Reference"---More Information #ukraine

Marilyn Robinson
 

from a recent reference publication by Lazar L. Field (aka Lazarus L. Polevoy) with the above title
http://rjreference.info/page75.html

A few of the Jews associated with:

Politics & Public Service--
AXELROD P.B. (1850-1928-Ukraine), BASSIN, M.V. (1890-1918), BELENKY/Hackelevich (1883-1942-Belarus), DIAMOND, D.W. (1879-1907--Ukraine), GOLOSHCHEKIN, F. (1876-1941-Belarus), MARGOLIN, A.D. (1877-1956-Kiev), SHEFTEL, M.I. (1858-1922)-Ukraine) ZIMMERMAN, J.E. (1820-?--Lawyer, first Jewish grad. of Kiev Univ.)

Science--
BARDACH, Y.U. (1857-1929, Odessa, Bacteriologist), HERZENSTEIN, Mikhail (1854-1894--Ukraine, Zoologist), ETTINGER/Oetinger, J. (A)G. (1872-1945, Belarus-Agronomist), OSTROGORSKY, M.Y. (1854-1921-Belarus, Jurist, historian, political scientist), GERCBERG-FRENKEL, I. (1827, Galicia ?, --Economist-scientist, writer, journalist)

Jurisprudence--
BARATZ, G.M. (1835-1922, Volhynia), OCHS, M.-Ivan (1844-1891, Ukraine), SLIOZBERG, G.B. (1863-1937, Belarus), UTEVSKY, B.S. (1887-1970, Belarus)

Other names >from various specialties and locations--
GUNZBURG, SCHORR, SHANE, VOLYN, GRIGORIEV, IRECKIJ, PALEY, SLONIM, GERSHUN, ABRAHAMSON, CHORD, ZALOMAN/Zalman, BERTENSON, GELLER, KATSNELSON, KEFELI, LEVIN, KOMPANEEC, AKOBZON, YAMPOLSKY, GOLDSTEIN, MISHKA, KROLL, ARGO, ASTROV, BAMDAS, OSTROGORSKAA-MALKIN, FEJKERMAN, LURIE, SHKLOVSKY, SHRADER, MUNSTEJN, et al.

Please see the website for additional names and information.

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen My "little sister" Franny-Thank you #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

I want to thank all those who replied to my message, especially
regarding the clue of "B.H." being Beverly Hills.
I presume Franny was not >from the New York area as we would have
probably spoken on the phone regularly. I was never in California
(till age of 60) but we may have met at summer camp (if so probably
Camp Ramah, Wisconsin ).
I don't think there was a Camp Ramah in California in the 50s. I know
that thyere is a Camp Ramah alumni website and I'll check with them
also.

There is a slight chance that she was a daughter of a Conservative
Rabbi ( my father was and she mentions asking her father about
"bulletins" For me growing up in the states "bulletins" Shul
Bulletins.) It would make sense that a Conservative Rabbi would send
his daughter to Camp Ramah. Though this direction is speculative.

Yoni


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine "Russian Jews: Analytical Reference"---More Information #ukraine

Marilyn Robinson
 

from a recent reference publication by Lazar L. Field (aka Lazarus L. Polevoy) with the above title
http://rjreference.info/page75.html

A few of the Jews associated with:

Politics & Public Service--
AXELROD P.B. (1850-1928-Ukraine), BASSIN, M.V. (1890-1918), BELENKY/Hackelevich (1883-1942-Belarus), DIAMOND, D.W. (1879-1907--Ukraine), GOLOSHCHEKIN, F. (1876-1941-Belarus), MARGOLIN, A.D. (1877-1956-Kiev), SHEFTEL, M.I. (1858-1922)-Ukraine) ZIMMERMAN, J.E. (1820-?--Lawyer, first Jewish grad. of Kiev Univ.)

Science--
BARDACH, Y.U. (1857-1929, Odessa, Bacteriologist), HERZENSTEIN, Mikhail (1854-1894--Ukraine, Zoologist), ETTINGER/Oetinger, J. (A)G. (1872-1945, Belarus-Agronomist), OSTROGORSKY, M.Y. (1854-1921-Belarus, Jurist, historian, political scientist), GERCBERG-FRENKEL, I. (1827, Galicia ?, --Economist-scientist, writer, journalist)

Jurisprudence--
BARATZ, G.M. (1835-1922, Volhynia), OCHS, M.-Ivan (1844-1891, Ukraine), SLIOZBERG, G.B. (1863-1937, Belarus), UTEVSKY, B.S. (1887-1970, Belarus)

Other names >from various specialties and locations--
GUNZBURG, SCHORR, SHANE, VOLYN, GRIGORIEV, IRECKIJ, PALEY, SLONIM, GERSHUN, ABRAHAMSON, CHORD, ZALOMAN/Zalman, BERTENSON, GELLER, KATSNELSON, KEFELI, LEVIN, KOMPANEEC, AKOBZON, YAMPOLSKY, GOLDSTEIN, MISHKA, KROLL, ARGO, ASTROV, BAMDAS, OSTROGORSKAA-MALKIN, FEJKERMAN, LURIE, SHKLOVSKY, SHRADER, MUNSTEJN, et al.

Please see the website for additional names and information.

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Widows remarriage laws #general

AUBREY JACOBUS <aajacobus@...>
 

I asked a Rabbis if there was a problem to marrying a women whose previous
two husbands had died,I received is following reply.That raises
an interesting conversation. Halacha limits that restriction only to cases
where a) her husband died >from an illness which he did not have before the
marriage; b) not >from an accident; c) not >from a plague; d) not killed
"al kiddush hashem" in sanctification of G-d's name; e) died before the age of
70; f) without having children >from this marriage.

I did nor have this knowledge and spent years looking for a synagogue marriage
that didn't occur. I also discovered that widowers ( except in exceptional
circumstances ) were required to delay remarriage until 3 Holy Days ( Pesach,
Shevuot and Succoth ) had passed since his wifes death - widows however had no
such obligation.

Others may find this helpful

Aubrey Jacobus, London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Widows remarriage laws #general

AUBREY JACOBUS <aajacobus@...>
 

I asked a Rabbis if there was a problem to marrying a women whose previous
two husbands had died,I received is following reply.That raises
an interesting conversation. Halacha limits that restriction only to cases
where a) her husband died >from an illness which he did not have before the
marriage; b) not >from an accident; c) not >from a plague; d) not killed
"al kiddush hashem" in sanctification of G-d's name; e) died before the age of
70; f) without having children >from this marriage.

I did nor have this knowledge and spent years looking for a synagogue marriage
that didn't occur. I also discovered that widowers ( except in exceptional
circumstances ) were required to delay remarriage until 3 Holy Days ( Pesach,
Shevuot and Succoth ) had passed since his wifes death - widows however had no
such obligation.

Others may find this helpful

Aubrey Jacobus, London


Re: Home Affairs #southafrica

arlene@...
 

Hi Grant,

I doubt if the Dept of Home affairs will allow access of their files to the
public at large.

Louis ZETLER
Hoshaya, Israel


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Home Affairs #southafrica

arlene@...
 

Hi Grant,

I doubt if the Dept of Home affairs will allow access of their files to the
public at large.

Louis ZETLER
Hoshaya, Israel


Seek family of Ida SONNENBLICK nee SCHWAB #germany

SandyR <sbr19@...>
 

GerSIG
I wish to thank all who replied to me concerning the SONNENBLICK family.
I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been. I was looking up Lina SCHWAB
nee KATZ and found that her son-in-law Joseph SONNENBLICK, had put in a
testimony page for her at Yad Vashem.

My relative was Joseph's wife Ida nee SCHWAB SONNENBLICK.
I was hoping to find out if, Ida had siblings and or children.
This of course would lead to more family on my
stammbaum. Thanks again to all who responded.

Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y <sbr19@verizon.net>

Earlier I wrote: Dear Sigers'
I just found a family member that had filled in a Page of Testimony in 1978.
I would like to get in contact with any family member of Joseph SONNENBLICK.
At the time the testimony was filled out he lived in Bournemouth.
Thanks for your help. Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y.


German SIG #Germany Seek family of Ida SONNENBLICK nee SCHWAB #germany

SandyR <sbr19@...>
 

GerSIG
I wish to thank all who replied to me concerning the SONNENBLICK family.
I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been. I was looking up Lina SCHWAB
nee KATZ and found that her son-in-law Joseph SONNENBLICK, had put in a
testimony page for her at Yad Vashem.

My relative was Joseph's wife Ida nee SCHWAB SONNENBLICK.
I was hoping to find out if, Ida had siblings and or children.
This of course would lead to more family on my
stammbaum. Thanks again to all who responded.

Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y <sbr19@verizon.net>

Earlier I wrote: Dear Sigers'
I just found a family member that had filled in a Page of Testimony in 1978.
I would like to get in contact with any family member of Joseph SONNENBLICK.
At the time the testimony was filled out he lived in Bournemouth.
Thanks for your help. Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y.


Re: Kammerknecht #germany

Hansmartin Unger <hansmartin.unger@...>
 

A " Kammerknecht " means a Jew with the protection of an emperor
(or king-duke) the civil rights of a Jew, the exercise of his religion.
Kammerknecht means a person who his work and duty is belonging to a
financial department of a kingdom. the " Hofjude" is a Kammerknecht

Kind regards Hansmartin Unger, St. Gallen, Switzerland

Moderator reminder: Discussion of this topic will end at midnight.


German SIG #Germany Re: Kammerknecht #germany

Hansmartin Unger <hansmartin.unger@...>
 

A " Kammerknecht " means a Jew with the protection of an emperor
(or king-duke) the civil rights of a Jew, the exercise of his religion.
Kammerknecht means a person who his work and duty is belonging to a
financial department of a kingdom. the " Hofjude" is a Kammerknecht

Kind regards Hansmartin Unger, St. Gallen, Switzerland

Moderator reminder: Discussion of this topic will end at midnight.


Reply to Nov 3, 2012 posting about Lemberg eductional institutions #galicia

Marla Raucher Osborn <osborn@...>
 

In reply to the posting by Caroline Ranald Curvan in the November 3,
2012 Galicia digest asking about Lemberg education.

There is a useful article - written in Polish - on the internet
about gymanasiums (academic institutions) in Lemberg during the
Inter-War period here:

http://www.lwow.com.pl/semper/gimnazja.html

By running the text through google translate, you can get a pretty
decent translation. I used this article in my own research for
leads in contacting some of these schools, and have to-date had
great success with several.

The place you may wish to contact first, however, is DALO, the archives
in Lviv just off the book seller's market, north of the rynek, near the
old City wall. DALO is the official repository for all Lemberg/Lwow
academic records >from the Inter-War period. I obtained academic records
for my Rohatyn sisters Jute and Bronia HORN >from DALO, and >from these
records was able to learn where they studied previously (Rohatyn and
Vienna) and subsequently (Krakow) creating my next research leads.

Here is their contact info:

STATE ARCHIVE OF LVIV OBLAST IN LVIV (known as DALO):
Website: http://www.archive.lviv.ua/en/
Address: Pidvalna St. 13, 79008, Lviv, Ukraine
Tel.: +38 (032) 272-07-14, 8 (032) 272-00-30

As a general proposition, you need to be physically present to research
at DALO as they will not reply to emails and post inquiries, and I am
afraid the process of admittance, ordering, copying, and acquiring
records >from them can be quite time-consuming. If you cannot be there
in person to do this, I would suggest hiring a professional researcher
in Lviv to do this for you. For referrals, write to the GG list, see
the JewishGen InfoFile at:

www.jewishgen.org/Infofiles/researchers.htm,

or feel free to contact me by email (keeping in mind that I will be
away >from email all next week while traveling to Lviv and Rohatyn).

Hope this helps in giving you some leads, Caroline.

Regards,
Marla Raucher Osborn
Member of the Board of Gesher Galicia
Paris, France
osborn@nuthatch.org

Researching surnames HORN, FRUCHTER, LIEBLING, and KURZROCK >from
Rohatyn and TEICHMAN >from Chodorow (Galicia, Western Ukraine); SILBER
from Ulanow and Sokolow Malopolska (Poland); BLECHER >from Soroka,
Bessarabia (Moldova); BRUNSHTEIN/BROWNSTEIN/BRONSTEIN, SARFAS/CHARFAS,
and FABER >from Mohyliv Podilskyy and Kamyanets Podilskyy (Ukraine);
FRANKENBERG >from Vilnius (Lithuania); and RAUCHER/RAUSCHER and
KESTENBAUM/KOSTENBAUM /KASTENBAUM >from Przemysl(Poland)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Reply to Nov 3, 2012 posting about Lemberg eductional institutions #galicia

Marla Raucher Osborn <osborn@...>
 

In reply to the posting by Caroline Ranald Curvan in the November 3,
2012 Galicia digest asking about Lemberg education.

There is a useful article - written in Polish - on the internet
about gymanasiums (academic institutions) in Lemberg during the
Inter-War period here:

http://www.lwow.com.pl/semper/gimnazja.html

By running the text through google translate, you can get a pretty
decent translation. I used this article in my own research for
leads in contacting some of these schools, and have to-date had
great success with several.

The place you may wish to contact first, however, is DALO, the archives
in Lviv just off the book seller's market, north of the rynek, near the
old City wall. DALO is the official repository for all Lemberg/Lwow
academic records >from the Inter-War period. I obtained academic records
for my Rohatyn sisters Jute and Bronia HORN >from DALO, and >from these
records was able to learn where they studied previously (Rohatyn and
Vienna) and subsequently (Krakow) creating my next research leads.

Here is their contact info:

STATE ARCHIVE OF LVIV OBLAST IN LVIV (known as DALO):
Website: http://www.archive.lviv.ua/en/
Address: Pidvalna St. 13, 79008, Lviv, Ukraine
Tel.: +38 (032) 272-07-14, 8 (032) 272-00-30

As a general proposition, you need to be physically present to research
at DALO as they will not reply to emails and post inquiries, and I am
afraid the process of admittance, ordering, copying, and acquiring
records >from them can be quite time-consuming. If you cannot be there
in person to do this, I would suggest hiring a professional researcher
in Lviv to do this for you. For referrals, write to the GG list, see
the JewishGen InfoFile at:

www.jewishgen.org/Infofiles/researchers.htm,

or feel free to contact me by email (keeping in mind that I will be
away >from email all next week while traveling to Lviv and Rohatyn).

Hope this helps in giving you some leads, Caroline.

Regards,
Marla Raucher Osborn
Member of the Board of Gesher Galicia
Paris, France
osborn@nuthatch.org

Researching surnames HORN, FRUCHTER, LIEBLING, and KURZROCK >from
Rohatyn and TEICHMAN >from Chodorow (Galicia, Western Ukraine); SILBER
from Ulanow and Sokolow Malopolska (Poland); BLECHER >from Soroka,
Bessarabia (Moldova); BRUNSHTEIN/BROWNSTEIN/BRONSTEIN, SARFAS/CHARFAS,
and FABER >from Mohyliv Podilskyy and Kamyanets Podilskyy (Ukraine);
FRANKENBERG >from Vilnius (Lithuania); and RAUCHER/RAUSCHER and
KESTENBAUM/KOSTENBAUM /KASTENBAUM >from Przemysl(Poland)


Re: family of Joseph Sonnenblick #general

SandyR <sbr19@...>
 

I wish to thank all who replied to me concerning the SONNENBLICK family
I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been. My relative was his wife
Ida. What I was hoping to find out was, did Ida have siblings or children.
This of course would lead to more family on my stammbaum.
Thanks again
Sandy Rothschild


Dear Jewishgener's
I just found a family member that had filled in a Page of Testimony in 1978.
I would like to get in contact with any family member of Joseph SONNENBLICK.
At the time the testimony was filled out he lived in Bournemouth.
Thanks for your help.

Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: family of Joseph Sonnenblick #general

SandyR <sbr19@...>
 

I wish to thank all who replied to me concerning the SONNENBLICK family
I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been. My relative was his wife
Ida. What I was hoping to find out was, did Ida have siblings or children.
This of course would lead to more family on my stammbaum.
Thanks again
Sandy Rothschild


Dear Jewishgener's
I just found a family member that had filled in a Page of Testimony in 1978.
I would like to get in contact with any family member of Joseph SONNENBLICK.
At the time the testimony was filled out he lived in Bournemouth.
Thanks for your help.

Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y.


Home Affairs #southafrica

Grant Arthur Gochin <ggochin@...>
 

I am seeking advice on research in the Home Affairs Archives in
Pretoria. I am unable to obtain responses >from the window clerks, and
no researchers I can find will agree to undertake research in the Home
Affairs files. I do understand there are costs involved in such
research if it is possible.
Any suggestions?
Please respond privately.
Grant Gochin
ggochin@gmail.com


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Home Affairs #southafrica

Grant Arthur Gochin <ggochin@...>
 

I am seeking advice on research in the Home Affairs Archives in
Pretoria. I am unable to obtain responses >from the window clerks, and
no researchers I can find will agree to undertake research in the Home
Affairs files. I do understand there are costs involved in such
research if it is possible.
Any suggestions?
Please respond privately.
Grant Gochin
ggochin@gmail.com


Re: "Schutzjuden" and similar terms #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Eva:
I'm flattered, albeit concerned for the trees. ;) Let me assure you
that my views on this matter will be quite different in a week or two.
Go easy on the printing, OK?

Only half of my ancestors lived in Prussia, and the other half were
blended much like yours. That's precisely why I consider the matter
important: I wish for there to be a term that describes all of the Jews
who lived within the many different constraints imposed upon them by the
many princes of the German empire (HRE, if you wish).

"Kammer" could mean any of several things, but literally: chamber.
Exchequer or treasury might be Schatzkammer: treasure chamber.
A Kammerknecht was a house servant or a chamber servant.
The Prussian "Knechte" within the General-Privileg system were
as much employees as servants, because most of the upper-level
protected Jews were merchants.

In Prussian census-type records I've been looking at lately,
Knechte are identified in part by the date on which they received their
Jahrmarktspass--passport to attend fairs and to do the deals that were
done there as their boss's employees.

The emancipation of German Jews is a fascinating, extraordinarily
complicated topic, not least because of the legal contradictions that
each principality tied itself up in over time in trying to "regulate"
Jews and use them as a trading caste, but not give them the rights of
burghers, and because there were so many of these little principalities.

At the moment I'm looking at Volker Berbuesse's _Geschichte der Juden in
Waldeck_, which focuses on emancipation and subsequent anti-Semitism.
There have been many, many studies of emancipation and the conditions and
restrictions >from which Jews were emancipated, and I couldn't begin to provide
a solid bibliography. Needless to say, all recommendations are welcome.

Best, Roger Lustig, Princeton, NJ Gersig Research Director

On 11/2/2012 11:25 AM, eva lawrence wrote:
I've printed out Roger's useful detailed explanation for future
reference. It's information clearly amassed through hours of study.
But not all my German ancestors lived in Prussia. Many came >from
Baden, Wurttenberg, and various smaller states, where I believe the
protocol was different; for instance I've just come across the term
Kammerknecht - see my previous post. I think Kammer translates as
exchequer. Has anyone made an equally detailed study of systems
elsewhere in 18th/19th century German-speaking states? Personally I
could cope with a German language version, and would be prepared to
pass the information on.


German SIG #Germany Re: "Schutzjuden" and similar terms #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Eva:
I'm flattered, albeit concerned for the trees. ;) Let me assure you
that my views on this matter will be quite different in a week or two.
Go easy on the printing, OK?

Only half of my ancestors lived in Prussia, and the other half were
blended much like yours. That's precisely why I consider the matter
important: I wish for there to be a term that describes all of the Jews
who lived within the many different constraints imposed upon them by the
many princes of the German empire (HRE, if you wish).

"Kammer" could mean any of several things, but literally: chamber.
Exchequer or treasury might be Schatzkammer: treasure chamber.
A Kammerknecht was a house servant or a chamber servant.
The Prussian "Knechte" within the General-Privileg system were
as much employees as servants, because most of the upper-level
protected Jews were merchants.

In Prussian census-type records I've been looking at lately,
Knechte are identified in part by the date on which they received their
Jahrmarktspass--passport to attend fairs and to do the deals that were
done there as their boss's employees.

The emancipation of German Jews is a fascinating, extraordinarily
complicated topic, not least because of the legal contradictions that
each principality tied itself up in over time in trying to "regulate"
Jews and use them as a trading caste, but not give them the rights of
burghers, and because there were so many of these little principalities.

At the moment I'm looking at Volker Berbuesse's _Geschichte der Juden in
Waldeck_, which focuses on emancipation and subsequent anti-Semitism.
There have been many, many studies of emancipation and the conditions and
restrictions >from which Jews were emancipated, and I couldn't begin to provide
a solid bibliography. Needless to say, all recommendations are welcome.

Best, Roger Lustig, Princeton, NJ Gersig Research Director

On 11/2/2012 11:25 AM, eva lawrence wrote:
I've printed out Roger's useful detailed explanation for future
reference. It's information clearly amassed through hours of study.
But not all my German ancestors lived in Prussia. Many came >from
Baden, Wurttenberg, and various smaller states, where I believe the
protocol was different; for instance I've just come across the term
Kammerknecht - see my previous post. I think Kammer translates as
exchequer. Has anyone made an equally detailed study of systems
elsewhere in 18th/19th century German-speaking states? Personally I
could cope with a German language version, and would be prepared to
pass the information on.

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