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My "little sister" Franny-Thank you
#general
Yonatan Ben-Ari
I want to thank all those who replied to my message, especially
regarding the clue of "B.H." being Beverly Hills. I presume Franny was not >from the New York area as we would have probably spoken on the phone regularly. I was never in California (till age of 60) but we may have met at summer camp (if so probably Camp Ramah, Wisconsin ). I don't think there was a Camp Ramah in California in the 50s. I know that thyere is a Camp Ramah alumni website and I'll check with them also. There is a slight chance that she was a daughter of a Conservative Rabbi ( my father was and she mentions asking her father about "bulletins" For me growing up in the states "bulletins" Shul Bulletins.) It would make sense that a Conservative Rabbi would send his daughter to Camp Ramah. Though this direction is speculative. Yoni
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"Russian Jews: Analytical Reference"---More Information
#ukraine
Marilyn Robinson
from a recent reference publication by Lazar L. Field (aka Lazarus L. Polevoy) with the above titlehttp://rjreference.info/page75.html A few of the Jews associated with: Politics & Public Service-- AXELROD P.B. (1850-1928-Ukraine), BASSIN, M.V. (1890-1918), BELENKY/Hackelevich (1883-1942-Belarus), DIAMOND, D.W. (1879-1907--Ukraine), GOLOSHCHEKIN, F. (1876-1941-Belarus), MARGOLIN, A.D. (1877-1956-Kiev), SHEFTEL, M.I. (1858-1922)-Ukraine) ZIMMERMAN, J.E. (1820-?--Lawyer, first Jewish grad. of Kiev Univ.) Science-- BARDACH, Y.U. (1857-1929, Odessa, Bacteriologist), HERZENSTEIN, Mikhail (1854-1894--Ukraine, Zoologist), ETTINGER/Oetinger, J. (A)G. (1872-1945, Belarus-Agronomist), OSTROGORSKY, M.Y. (1854-1921-Belarus, Jurist, historian, political scientist), GERCBERG-FRENKEL, I. (1827, Galicia ?, --Economist-scientist, writer, journalist) Jurisprudence-- BARATZ, G.M. (1835-1922, Volhynia), OCHS, M.-Ivan (1844-1891, Ukraine), SLIOZBERG, G.B. (1863-1937, Belarus), UTEVSKY, B.S. (1887-1970, Belarus) Other names >from various specialties and locations-- GUNZBURG, SCHORR, SHANE, VOLYN, GRIGORIEV, IRECKIJ, PALEY, SLONIM, GERSHUN, ABRAHAMSON, CHORD, ZALOMAN/Zalman, BERTENSON, GELLER, KATSNELSON, KEFELI, LEVIN, KOMPANEEC, AKOBZON, YAMPOLSKY, GOLDSTEIN, MISHKA, KROLL, ARGO, ASTROV, BAMDAS, OSTROGORSKAA-MALKIN, FEJKERMAN, LURIE, SHKLOVSKY, SHRADER, MUNSTEJN, et al. Please see the website for additional names and information. Marilyn Robinson Florida
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen My "little sister" Franny-Thank you
#general
Yonatan Ben-Ari
I want to thank all those who replied to my message, especially
regarding the clue of "B.H." being Beverly Hills. I presume Franny was not >from the New York area as we would have probably spoken on the phone regularly. I was never in California (till age of 60) but we may have met at summer camp (if so probably Camp Ramah, Wisconsin ). I don't think there was a Camp Ramah in California in the 50s. I know that thyere is a Camp Ramah alumni website and I'll check with them also. There is a slight chance that she was a daughter of a Conservative Rabbi ( my father was and she mentions asking her father about "bulletins" For me growing up in the states "bulletins" Shul Bulletins.) It would make sense that a Conservative Rabbi would send his daughter to Camp Ramah. Though this direction is speculative. Yoni
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine "Russian Jews: Analytical Reference"---More Information
#ukraine
Marilyn Robinson
from a recent reference publication by Lazar L. Field (aka Lazarus L. Polevoy) with the above titlehttp://rjreference.info/page75.html A few of the Jews associated with: Politics & Public Service-- AXELROD P.B. (1850-1928-Ukraine), BASSIN, M.V. (1890-1918), BELENKY/Hackelevich (1883-1942-Belarus), DIAMOND, D.W. (1879-1907--Ukraine), GOLOSHCHEKIN, F. (1876-1941-Belarus), MARGOLIN, A.D. (1877-1956-Kiev), SHEFTEL, M.I. (1858-1922)-Ukraine) ZIMMERMAN, J.E. (1820-?--Lawyer, first Jewish grad. of Kiev Univ.) Science-- BARDACH, Y.U. (1857-1929, Odessa, Bacteriologist), HERZENSTEIN, Mikhail (1854-1894--Ukraine, Zoologist), ETTINGER/Oetinger, J. (A)G. (1872-1945, Belarus-Agronomist), OSTROGORSKY, M.Y. (1854-1921-Belarus, Jurist, historian, political scientist), GERCBERG-FRENKEL, I. (1827, Galicia ?, --Economist-scientist, writer, journalist) Jurisprudence-- BARATZ, G.M. (1835-1922, Volhynia), OCHS, M.-Ivan (1844-1891, Ukraine), SLIOZBERG, G.B. (1863-1937, Belarus), UTEVSKY, B.S. (1887-1970, Belarus) Other names >from various specialties and locations-- GUNZBURG, SCHORR, SHANE, VOLYN, GRIGORIEV, IRECKIJ, PALEY, SLONIM, GERSHUN, ABRAHAMSON, CHORD, ZALOMAN/Zalman, BERTENSON, GELLER, KATSNELSON, KEFELI, LEVIN, KOMPANEEC, AKOBZON, YAMPOLSKY, GOLDSTEIN, MISHKA, KROLL, ARGO, ASTROV, BAMDAS, OSTROGORSKAA-MALKIN, FEJKERMAN, LURIE, SHKLOVSKY, SHRADER, MUNSTEJN, et al. Please see the website for additional names and information. Marilyn Robinson Florida
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Widows remarriage laws
#general
AUBREY JACOBUS <aajacobus@...>
I asked a Rabbis if there was a problem to marrying a women whose previous
two husbands had died,I received is following reply.That raises an interesting conversation. Halacha limits that restriction only to cases where a) her husband died >from an illness which he did not have before the marriage; b) not >from an accident; c) not >from a plague; d) not killed "al kiddush hashem" in sanctification of G-d's name; e) died before the age of 70; f) without having children >from this marriage. I did nor have this knowledge and spent years looking for a synagogue marriage that didn't occur. I also discovered that widowers ( except in exceptional circumstances ) were required to delay remarriage until 3 Holy Days ( Pesach, Shevuot and Succoth ) had passed since his wifes death - widows however had no such obligation. Others may find this helpful Aubrey Jacobus, London
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Widows remarriage laws
#general
AUBREY JACOBUS <aajacobus@...>
I asked a Rabbis if there was a problem to marrying a women whose previous
two husbands had died,I received is following reply.That raises an interesting conversation. Halacha limits that restriction only to cases where a) her husband died >from an illness which he did not have before the marriage; b) not >from an accident; c) not >from a plague; d) not killed "al kiddush hashem" in sanctification of G-d's name; e) died before the age of 70; f) without having children >from this marriage. I did nor have this knowledge and spent years looking for a synagogue marriage that didn't occur. I also discovered that widowers ( except in exceptional circumstances ) were required to delay remarriage until 3 Holy Days ( Pesach, Shevuot and Succoth ) had passed since his wifes death - widows however had no such obligation. Others may find this helpful Aubrey Jacobus, London
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Re: Home Affairs
#southafrica
arlene@...
Hi Grant,
I doubt if the Dept of Home affairs will allow access of their files to the public at large. Louis ZETLER Hoshaya, Israel
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Home Affairs
#southafrica
arlene@...
Hi Grant,
I doubt if the Dept of Home affairs will allow access of their files to the public at large. Louis ZETLER Hoshaya, Israel
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Seek family of Ida SONNENBLICK nee SCHWAB
#germany
SandyR <sbr19@...>
GerSIG
I wish to thank all who replied to me concerning the SONNENBLICK family. I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been. I was looking up Lina SCHWAB nee KATZ and found that her son-in-law Joseph SONNENBLICK, had put in a testimony page for her at Yad Vashem. My relative was Joseph's wife Ida nee SCHWAB SONNENBLICK. I was hoping to find out if, Ida had siblings and or children. This of course would lead to more family on my stammbaum. Thanks again to all who responded. Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y <sbr19@verizon.net> Earlier I wrote: Dear Sigers' I just found a family member that had filled in a Page of Testimony in 1978. I would like to get in contact with any family member of Joseph SONNENBLICK. At the time the testimony was filled out he lived in Bournemouth. Thanks for your help. Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y.
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German SIG #Germany Seek family of Ida SONNENBLICK nee SCHWAB
#germany
SandyR <sbr19@...>
GerSIG
I wish to thank all who replied to me concerning the SONNENBLICK family. I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been. I was looking up Lina SCHWAB nee KATZ and found that her son-in-law Joseph SONNENBLICK, had put in a testimony page for her at Yad Vashem. My relative was Joseph's wife Ida nee SCHWAB SONNENBLICK. I was hoping to find out if, Ida had siblings and or children. This of course would lead to more family on my stammbaum. Thanks again to all who responded. Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y <sbr19@verizon.net> Earlier I wrote: Dear Sigers' I just found a family member that had filled in a Page of Testimony in 1978. I would like to get in contact with any family member of Joseph SONNENBLICK. At the time the testimony was filled out he lived in Bournemouth. Thanks for your help. Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y.
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Re: Kammerknecht
#germany
Hansmartin Unger <hansmartin.unger@...>
A " Kammerknecht " means a Jew with the protection of an emperor
(or king-duke) the civil rights of a Jew, the exercise of his religion. Kammerknecht means a person who his work and duty is belonging to a financial department of a kingdom. the " Hofjude" is a Kammerknecht Kind regards Hansmartin Unger, St. Gallen, Switzerland Moderator reminder: Discussion of this topic will end at midnight.
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German SIG #Germany Re: Kammerknecht
#germany
Hansmartin Unger <hansmartin.unger@...>
A " Kammerknecht " means a Jew with the protection of an emperor
(or king-duke) the civil rights of a Jew, the exercise of his religion. Kammerknecht means a person who his work and duty is belonging to a financial department of a kingdom. the " Hofjude" is a Kammerknecht Kind regards Hansmartin Unger, St. Gallen, Switzerland Moderator reminder: Discussion of this topic will end at midnight.
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Reply to Nov 3, 2012 posting about Lemberg eductional institutions
#galicia
Marla Raucher Osborn <osborn@...>
In reply to the posting by Caroline Ranald Curvan in the November 3,
2012 Galicia digest asking about Lemberg education. There is a useful article - written in Polish - on the internet about gymanasiums (academic institutions) in Lemberg during the Inter-War period here: http://www.lwow.com.pl/semper/gimnazja.html By running the text through google translate, you can get a pretty decent translation. I used this article in my own research for leads in contacting some of these schools, and have to-date had great success with several. The place you may wish to contact first, however, is DALO, the archives in Lviv just off the book seller's market, north of the rynek, near the old City wall. DALO is the official repository for all Lemberg/Lwow academic records >from the Inter-War period. I obtained academic records for my Rohatyn sisters Jute and Bronia HORN >from DALO, and >from these records was able to learn where they studied previously (Rohatyn and Vienna) and subsequently (Krakow) creating my next research leads. Here is their contact info: STATE ARCHIVE OF LVIV OBLAST IN LVIV (known as DALO): Website: http://www.archive.lviv.ua/en/ Address: Pidvalna St. 13, 79008, Lviv, Ukraine Tel.: +38 (032) 272-07-14, 8 (032) 272-00-30 As a general proposition, you need to be physically present to research at DALO as they will not reply to emails and post inquiries, and I am afraid the process of admittance, ordering, copying, and acquiring records >from them can be quite time-consuming. If you cannot be there in person to do this, I would suggest hiring a professional researcher in Lviv to do this for you. For referrals, write to the GG list, see the JewishGen InfoFile at: www.jewishgen.org/Infofiles/researchers.htm, or feel free to contact me by email (keeping in mind that I will be away >from email all next week while traveling to Lviv and Rohatyn). Hope this helps in giving you some leads, Caroline. Regards, Marla Raucher Osborn Member of the Board of Gesher Galicia Paris, France osborn@nuthatch.org Researching surnames HORN, FRUCHTER, LIEBLING, and KURZROCK >from Rohatyn and TEICHMAN >from Chodorow (Galicia, Western Ukraine); SILBER from Ulanow and Sokolow Malopolska (Poland); BLECHER >from Soroka,Bessarabia (Moldova); BRUNSHTEIN/BROWNSTEIN/BRONSTEIN, SARFAS/CHARFAS, and FABER >from Mohyliv Podilskyy and Kamyanets Podilskyy (Ukraine); FRANKENBERG >from Vilnius (Lithuania); and RAUCHER/RAUSCHER and KESTENBAUM/KOSTENBAUM /KASTENBAUM >from Przemysl(Poland)
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Reply to Nov 3, 2012 posting about Lemberg eductional institutions
#galicia
Marla Raucher Osborn <osborn@...>
In reply to the posting by Caroline Ranald Curvan in the November 3,
2012 Galicia digest asking about Lemberg education. There is a useful article - written in Polish - on the internet about gymanasiums (academic institutions) in Lemberg during the Inter-War period here: http://www.lwow.com.pl/semper/gimnazja.html By running the text through google translate, you can get a pretty decent translation. I used this article in my own research for leads in contacting some of these schools, and have to-date had great success with several. The place you may wish to contact first, however, is DALO, the archives in Lviv just off the book seller's market, north of the rynek, near the old City wall. DALO is the official repository for all Lemberg/Lwow academic records >from the Inter-War period. I obtained academic records for my Rohatyn sisters Jute and Bronia HORN >from DALO, and >from these records was able to learn where they studied previously (Rohatyn and Vienna) and subsequently (Krakow) creating my next research leads. Here is their contact info: STATE ARCHIVE OF LVIV OBLAST IN LVIV (known as DALO): Website: http://www.archive.lviv.ua/en/ Address: Pidvalna St. 13, 79008, Lviv, Ukraine Tel.: +38 (032) 272-07-14, 8 (032) 272-00-30 As a general proposition, you need to be physically present to research at DALO as they will not reply to emails and post inquiries, and I am afraid the process of admittance, ordering, copying, and acquiring records >from them can be quite time-consuming. If you cannot be there in person to do this, I would suggest hiring a professional researcher in Lviv to do this for you. For referrals, write to the GG list, see the JewishGen InfoFile at: www.jewishgen.org/Infofiles/researchers.htm, or feel free to contact me by email (keeping in mind that I will be away >from email all next week while traveling to Lviv and Rohatyn). Hope this helps in giving you some leads, Caroline. Regards, Marla Raucher Osborn Member of the Board of Gesher Galicia Paris, France osborn@nuthatch.org Researching surnames HORN, FRUCHTER, LIEBLING, and KURZROCK >from Rohatyn and TEICHMAN >from Chodorow (Galicia, Western Ukraine); SILBER from Ulanow and Sokolow Malopolska (Poland); BLECHER >from Soroka,Bessarabia (Moldova); BRUNSHTEIN/BROWNSTEIN/BRONSTEIN, SARFAS/CHARFAS, and FABER >from Mohyliv Podilskyy and Kamyanets Podilskyy (Ukraine); FRANKENBERG >from Vilnius (Lithuania); and RAUCHER/RAUSCHER and KESTENBAUM/KOSTENBAUM /KASTENBAUM >from Przemysl(Poland)
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Re: family of Joseph Sonnenblick
#general
SandyR <sbr19@...>
I wish to thank all who replied to me concerning the SONNENBLICK family
I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been. My relative was his wife Ida. What I was hoping to find out was, did Ida have siblings or children. This of course would lead to more family on my stammbaum. Thanks again Sandy Rothschild Dear Jewishgener's I just found a family member that had filled in a Page of Testimony in 1978. I would like to get in contact with any family member of Joseph SONNENBLICK. At the time the testimony was filled out he lived in Bournemouth. Thanks for your help. Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: family of Joseph Sonnenblick
#general
SandyR <sbr19@...>
I wish to thank all who replied to me concerning the SONNENBLICK family
I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been. My relative was his wife Ida. What I was hoping to find out was, did Ida have siblings or children. This of course would lead to more family on my stammbaum. Thanks again Sandy Rothschild Dear Jewishgener's I just found a family member that had filled in a Page of Testimony in 1978. I would like to get in contact with any family member of Joseph SONNENBLICK. At the time the testimony was filled out he lived in Bournemouth. Thanks for your help. Sandy Rothschild Monsey, N.Y.
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Home Affairs
#southafrica
Grant Arthur Gochin <ggochin@...>
I am seeking advice on research in the Home Affairs Archives in
Pretoria. I am unable to obtain responses >from the window clerks, and no researchers I can find will agree to undertake research in the Home Affairs files. I do understand there are costs involved in such research if it is possible. Any suggestions? Please respond privately. Grant Gochin ggochin@gmail.com
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Home Affairs
#southafrica
Grant Arthur Gochin <ggochin@...>
I am seeking advice on research in the Home Affairs Archives in
Pretoria. I am unable to obtain responses >from the window clerks, and no researchers I can find will agree to undertake research in the Home Affairs files. I do understand there are costs involved in such research if it is possible. Any suggestions? Please respond privately. Grant Gochin ggochin@gmail.com
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Re: "Schutzjuden" and similar terms
#germany
Roger Lustig
Dear Eva:
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I'm flattered, albeit concerned for the trees. ;) Let me assure you that my views on this matter will be quite different in a week or two. Go easy on the printing, OK? Only half of my ancestors lived in Prussia, and the other half were blended much like yours. That's precisely why I consider the matter important: I wish for there to be a term that describes all of the Jews who lived within the many different constraints imposed upon them by the many princes of the German empire (HRE, if you wish). "Kammer" could mean any of several things, but literally: chamber. Exchequer or treasury might be Schatzkammer: treasure chamber. A Kammerknecht was a house servant or a chamber servant. The Prussian "Knechte" within the General-Privileg system were as much employees as servants, because most of the upper-level protected Jews were merchants. In Prussian census-type records I've been looking at lately, Knechte are identified in part by the date on which they received their Jahrmarktspass--passport to attend fairs and to do the deals that were done there as their boss's employees. The emancipation of German Jews is a fascinating, extraordinarily complicated topic, not least because of the legal contradictions that each principality tied itself up in over time in trying to "regulate" Jews and use them as a trading caste, but not give them the rights of burghers, and because there were so many of these little principalities. At the moment I'm looking at Volker Berbuesse's _Geschichte der Juden in Waldeck_, which focuses on emancipation and subsequent anti-Semitism. There have been many, many studies of emancipation and the conditions and restrictions >from which Jews were emancipated, and I couldn't begin to provide a solid bibliography. Needless to say, all recommendations are welcome. Best, Roger Lustig, Princeton, NJ Gersig Research Director
On 11/2/2012 11:25 AM, eva lawrence wrote:
I've printed out Roger's useful detailed explanation for future
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German SIG #Germany Re: "Schutzjuden" and similar terms
#germany
Roger Lustig
Dear Eva:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I'm flattered, albeit concerned for the trees. ;) Let me assure you that my views on this matter will be quite different in a week or two. Go easy on the printing, OK? Only half of my ancestors lived in Prussia, and the other half were blended much like yours. That's precisely why I consider the matter important: I wish for there to be a term that describes all of the Jews who lived within the many different constraints imposed upon them by the many princes of the German empire (HRE, if you wish). "Kammer" could mean any of several things, but literally: chamber. Exchequer or treasury might be Schatzkammer: treasure chamber. A Kammerknecht was a house servant or a chamber servant. The Prussian "Knechte" within the General-Privileg system were as much employees as servants, because most of the upper-level protected Jews were merchants. In Prussian census-type records I've been looking at lately, Knechte are identified in part by the date on which they received their Jahrmarktspass--passport to attend fairs and to do the deals that were done there as their boss's employees. The emancipation of German Jews is a fascinating, extraordinarily complicated topic, not least because of the legal contradictions that each principality tied itself up in over time in trying to "regulate" Jews and use them as a trading caste, but not give them the rights of burghers, and because there were so many of these little principalities. At the moment I'm looking at Volker Berbuesse's _Geschichte der Juden in Waldeck_, which focuses on emancipation and subsequent anti-Semitism. There have been many, many studies of emancipation and the conditions and restrictions >from which Jews were emancipated, and I couldn't begin to provide a solid bibliography. Needless to say, all recommendations are welcome. Best, Roger Lustig, Princeton, NJ Gersig Research Director
On 11/2/2012 11:25 AM, eva lawrence wrote:
I've printed out Roger's useful detailed explanation for future
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