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Re: TEMPLESMAN[N] from Lvov #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Martha Lev-Zion writes:
"A friend dropped over today for Shabbat and we were discussing backgrounds. It
turns out that she knows nothing about her family, but the name of TEMPLESMAN[N]
from Lvov. She reached Eretz Yisrael as a youngster saved >from the Shoah. She knows
that TEMPLESMAN[N] was the name of her father. And that is where the knowledge
stops. If anyone knows anything or belongs to this family, I would appreciate
hearing about it!"

There are five vital record entries for the name TEMPLESMANN in Lvov on the All
Galicia Database for the years 1836-1862 that include the house number:
http://search.geshergalicia.org

Five additional entries for the surname >from other towns. If the given names fits
a pattern, or maiden name of the mother ring a bell...it's a start. If you scroll
down the site (or go directly to Logan Kleinwak's GenealogyIndexer.org) you'll find
Lvov City Directory Listings for the name, including this one >from 1913:
Tempelsman Moritz, ajent handlow. Kazimierzowska 47 and earlier in 1900, Leib
Templesmann just down the block. Checking JRI, All Poland Database,
and the Gesher Galicia and JewishGen FamilyFinders should also prove fruitful.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: TEMPLESMAN[N] from Lvov #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Martha Lev-Zion writes:
"A friend dropped over today for Shabbat and we were discussing backgrounds. It
turns out that she knows nothing about her family, but the name of TEMPLESMAN[N]
from Lvov. She reached Eretz Yisrael as a youngster saved >from the Shoah. She knows
that TEMPLESMAN[N] was the name of her father. And that is where the knowledge
stops. If anyone knows anything or belongs to this family, I would appreciate
hearing about it!"

There are five vital record entries for the name TEMPLESMANN in Lvov on the All
Galicia Database for the years 1836-1862 that include the house number:
http://search.geshergalicia.org

Five additional entries for the surname >from other towns. If the given names fits
a pattern, or maiden name of the mother ring a bell...it's a start. If you scroll
down the site (or go directly to Logan Kleinwak's GenealogyIndexer.org) you'll find
Lvov City Directory Listings for the name, including this one >from 1913:
Tempelsman Moritz, ajent handlow. Kazimierzowska 47 and earlier in 1900, Leib
Templesmann just down the block. Checking JRI, All Poland Database,
and the Gesher Galicia and JewishGen FamilyFinders should also prove fruitful.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


1881 Ethnographic Map shown on Slate Article for Jewish surname #general

Anna Reuter <anna94306@...>
 

Dear Cousins:

You can find a higher resolution of the 1881 Ethnographic Map for Jews at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Juden_1881.JPG

Thanks Lynne for telling us about the Slate Article.

Regards,
Anna Reuter
Palo Alto, California, USA

Lynne Schneider <schneider_lynne@...> wrote:
A friend emailed the following link which is an article originally appearing on
Jan 8, in SLATE. Although I have some questions regarding some of the origins of
some of the names, I found it to be interesting and thought others on the list
would, as well.
http://www.businessinsider.com/origins-of-popular-jewish-surnames-2014-1


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1881 Ethnographic Map shown on Slate Article for Jewish surname #general

Anna Reuter <anna94306@...>
 

Dear Cousins:

You can find a higher resolution of the 1881 Ethnographic Map for Jews at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Juden_1881.JPG

Thanks Lynne for telling us about the Slate Article.

Regards,
Anna Reuter
Palo Alto, California, USA

Lynne Schneider <schneider_lynne@...> wrote:
A friend emailed the following link which is an article originally appearing on
Jan 8, in SLATE. Although I have some questions regarding some of the origins of
some of the names, I found it to be interesting and thought others on the list
would, as well.
http://www.businessinsider.com/origins-of-popular-jewish-surnames-2014-1


Re: Origins of Jewish Names #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Lynne Schneider provided a URL to an article
http://www.businessinsider.com/origins-of-popular-jewish-surnames-2014-1
which, unfortunately, is poorly researched and inaccurate.

It repeats many myths about the derivation of Jewish surnames. The author asserts
that names ending in 'stein' indicate that the family were originally jewelers,
that Kagan refers to Jews >from Khazaria, and that, before last names came into use,
girls could use matronymics, not patronymics! These theories of name derivation
are misleading.

An indication of the author's lack of familiarity with the topic is the statement
that names were changed at Ellis Island. Better discussions of Ellis Island
and "name changes" are to be found in articles by Philip Sutton, of the New York
Public Library's Public Library's History and Genealogy Division
http://www.nypl.org/blog/2013/07/02/name-changes-ellis-island or
http://tinyurl.com/krdxaex ,
and Dick Eastman

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2013/10/no-family-names-were-not-changed-at-ellis-island.html
or https://tinyurl.com/og8q293 .

Even the US Customs and Immigration Service debunks the name change myth:

http://www.uscis.gov/history-and-genealogy/genealogy/genealogy-notebook/immigrant-name-changes
or https://tinyurl.com/n8ldrh7 .

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Origins of Jewish Names #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Lynne Schneider provided a URL to an article
http://www.businessinsider.com/origins-of-popular-jewish-surnames-2014-1
which, unfortunately, is poorly researched and inaccurate.

It repeats many myths about the derivation of Jewish surnames. The author asserts
that names ending in 'stein' indicate that the family were originally jewelers,
that Kagan refers to Jews >from Khazaria, and that, before last names came into use,
girls could use matronymics, not patronymics! These theories of name derivation
are misleading.

An indication of the author's lack of familiarity with the topic is the statement
that names were changed at Ellis Island. Better discussions of Ellis Island
and "name changes" are to be found in articles by Philip Sutton, of the New York
Public Library's Public Library's History and Genealogy Division
http://www.nypl.org/blog/2013/07/02/name-changes-ellis-island or
http://tinyurl.com/krdxaex ,
and Dick Eastman

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2013/10/no-family-names-were-not-changed-at-ellis-island.html
or https://tinyurl.com/og8q293 .

Even the US Customs and Immigration Service debunks the name change myth:

http://www.uscis.gov/history-and-genealogy/genealogy/genealogy-notebook/immigrant-name-changes
or https://tinyurl.com/n8ldrh7 .

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ


Re: The recent Jewish surnames article on line #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

There is an article that has been widely circulated in the past few days on
Jewish surnames. It has been on Facebook and this list recently.

According to experts on the GerSIg list there are many fallacies
in that piece. Some include wrong meanings, the insulting names, etc.

Lin Herz Palm Bay , Florida


Re: Ilegitimate children's names #germany

Bob Weinberg <weinberg@...>
 

Re: Gerhard Buck's query about the practices of naming illegitimate
children: It is said that when a child without a known father was born,
that child was given the (Hebrew) name "Ben Avraham" or "Bat Avraham";
others in our group may know whether or not Abraham also became the
non-religious patronymic of the child.

Bob Weinberg, Brookline MA weinberg@...


German SIG #Germany Re: The recent Jewish surnames article on line #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

There is an article that has been widely circulated in the past few days on
Jewish surnames. It has been on Facebook and this list recently.

According to experts on the GerSIg list there are many fallacies
in that piece. Some include wrong meanings, the insulting names, etc.

Lin Herz Palm Bay , Florida


German SIG #Germany Re: Ilegitimate children's names #germany

Bob Weinberg <weinberg@...>
 

Re: Gerhard Buck's query about the practices of naming illegitimate
children: It is said that when a child without a known father was born,
that child was given the (Hebrew) name "Ben Avraham" or "Bat Avraham";
others in our group may know whether or not Abraham also became the
non-religious patronymic of the child.

Bob Weinberg, Brookline MA weinberg@...


INTRO - looking for help with ALTURA Family history #germany

Diane Climo <cldl@...>
 

Hello - I have been researching my mother's family - ALTURA - for awhile
and have come to a dead end with my great grandparents living in Vienna,
Austria: Moses and Klara Hinde ALTURA. They might have lived in Brody =
prior to Vienna. I have also traced a cousin or brother of Moses, =
named Israel Tobias ALTURA.

Family lore indicates the origins of the ALTURA family were in Spain
prior to the 1492 expulsion. I know there is a town by the name of
Altura in Valencia, Spain where jewish residents were killed during the
14th c.

I would appreciate any help as to how to proceed beyond these ancestors.
Thank you - Diane Climo, Andover, MA -USA cldl@...


German SIG #Germany INTRO - looking for help with ALTURA Family history #germany

Diane Climo <cldl@...>
 

Hello - I have been researching my mother's family - ALTURA - for awhile
and have come to a dead end with my great grandparents living in Vienna,
Austria: Moses and Klara Hinde ALTURA. They might have lived in Brody =
prior to Vienna. I have also traced a cousin or brother of Moses, =
named Israel Tobias ALTURA.

Family lore indicates the origins of the ALTURA family were in Spain
prior to the 1492 expulsion. I know there is a town by the name of
Altura in Valencia, Spain where jewish residents were killed during the
14th c.

I would appreciate any help as to how to proceed beyond these ancestors.
Thank you - Diane Climo, Andover, MA -USA cldl@...


Nancy Felson Brant z"l #germany

Renee Steinig
 

I was very sorry to learn this week that long-time GerSIG member Nancy
Felson Brant passed almost nine months ago -- April 26, 2013. Her
obituary, published in the Cincinnati Enquirer, can be found here:

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/cincinnati/obituary.aspx?pid=164466651

Nancy was a veteran genealogist, who began her research back in the
1970s. A regular attendee at summer conferences on Jewish genealogy,
Nancy was a past president of the JGS of Greater Cincinnati and past
board member of the IAJGS. She taught several continuing education
courses on Jewish genealogy in Cincinnati and served as a consultant
to the American Jewish Archives there.

May her memory remain for a blessing. Renee

Renee Stern Steinig, Dix Hills, New York, USA genmaven@...


German SIG #Germany Nancy Felson Brant z"l #germany

Renee Steinig
 

I was very sorry to learn this week that long-time GerSIG member Nancy
Felson Brant passed almost nine months ago -- April 26, 2013. Her
obituary, published in the Cincinnati Enquirer, can be found here:

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/cincinnati/obituary.aspx?pid=164466651

Nancy was a veteran genealogist, who began her research back in the
1970s. A regular attendee at summer conferences on Jewish genealogy,
Nancy was a past president of the JGS of Greater Cincinnati and past
board member of the IAJGS. She taught several continuing education
courses on Jewish genealogy in Cincinnati and served as a consultant
to the American Jewish Archives there.

May her memory remain for a blessing. Renee

Renee Stern Steinig, Dix Hills, New York, USA genmaven@...


Ukraine SIG - a new small project needing volunteers #general

Janette <janettes@...>
 

As all of you who read the JewishGen Discussion Group know, Ukraine SIG has no lack
of projects going on. Because we are always brainstorming and attempting to meet
the needs of researchers, we are always thinking up new projects. Some are too
complex to begin before we make headway with the enormous number of translation and
transcription projects that are on our overloaded plate.

A new idea was just bandied about (those who suggested it and refined it will
remain nameless here, but they know who they are). The concept would be to link
each of our town pages to an audio of a native speaker saying the name of the town
in Ukrainian, Russian, and Ukrainian Yiddish.

To organize the project, we would need a volunteer to seek volunteers who speak any
or all of those three languages, who can create three sound files for each town.
Then we will link the sound files to the appropriate town page. The coordinator of
the project would organize the volunteers, assign towns, collect the sound files,
and pass them on to the webmaster to add them to the appropriate pages.

Ultimately, too, we would like to add Cyrillic Russian and Ukrainian (and perhaps,
Yiddish) spellings to the town pages, as well, but one step at a time.

First step - can someone volunteer to coordinate and organize this project? Please
respond privately to me.

Janette Silverman

Dr. Janette Silverman
JewishGen Ukraine-SIG Coordinator
ukrainesig.coordinator@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/default.asp


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ukraine SIG - a new small project needing volunteers #general

Janette <janettes@...>
 

As all of you who read the JewishGen Discussion Group know, Ukraine SIG has no lack
of projects going on. Because we are always brainstorming and attempting to meet
the needs of researchers, we are always thinking up new projects. Some are too
complex to begin before we make headway with the enormous number of translation and
transcription projects that are on our overloaded plate.

A new idea was just bandied about (those who suggested it and refined it will
remain nameless here, but they know who they are). The concept would be to link
each of our town pages to an audio of a native speaker saying the name of the town
in Ukrainian, Russian, and Ukrainian Yiddish.

To organize the project, we would need a volunteer to seek volunteers who speak any
or all of those three languages, who can create three sound files for each town.
Then we will link the sound files to the appropriate town page. The coordinator of
the project would organize the volunteers, assign towns, collect the sound files,
and pass them on to the webmaster to add them to the appropriate pages.

Ultimately, too, we would like to add Cyrillic Russian and Ukrainian (and perhaps,
Yiddish) spellings to the town pages, as well, but one step at a time.

First step - can someone volunteer to coordinate and organize this project? Please
respond privately to me.

Janette Silverman

Dr. Janette Silverman
JewishGen Ukraine-SIG Coordinator
ukrainesig.coordinator@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/default.asp


KAHN Family of Idstein in Israel #germany

Gerhard Buck <buckidstein@...>
 

A group of persons in Idstein intends to place Stolpersteine for the
victims of the Shoa. We start with the KAHN family and are interested in
information aboutthe children of Max Kahn (1875 Idstein “ 1947 New York)
and Bertha nee Hamburger (1873 Klein-Auheim “ 1938 Idstein).

Their youngest child was Kurt Kahn, born on 11.11.1912 in Idstein. In
March 1947, he lived in Kfar Monash, Palestine without a wife (according
to his father's obituary). On 07.05.1956, he signed a Page of Testimony
for Yad Vashem (for his brother Julius). Kurt lived in Ramat Gan with
his new name Gabriel Kahn or COHEN.

Kurt's / Gabriel's son may have been Josef Arie Kahn / Cohen in Rishon
L'Zion who signed a second Page of Testimony (for Julius) in 1999 as his
nephew. Since this line goes well into the present, we are quite hopeful
to establish contact. Please answer privately.

Gerhard Buck, Idstein, Germanybuckidstein@...


German SIG #Germany KAHN Family of Idstein in Israel #germany

Gerhard Buck <buckidstein@...>
 

A group of persons in Idstein intends to place Stolpersteine for the
victims of the Shoa. We start with the KAHN family and are interested in
information aboutthe children of Max Kahn (1875 Idstein “ 1947 New York)
and Bertha nee Hamburger (1873 Klein-Auheim “ 1938 Idstein).

Their youngest child was Kurt Kahn, born on 11.11.1912 in Idstein. In
March 1947, he lived in Kfar Monash, Palestine without a wife (according
to his father's obituary). On 07.05.1956, he signed a Page of Testimony
for Yad Vashem (for his brother Julius). Kurt lived in Ramat Gan with
his new name Gabriel Kahn or COHEN.

Kurt's / Gabriel's son may have been Josef Arie Kahn / Cohen in Rishon
L'Zion who signed a second Page of Testimony (for Julius) in 1999 as his
nephew. Since this line goes well into the present, we are quite hopeful
to establish contact. Please answer privately.

Gerhard Buck, Idstein, Germanybuckidstein@...


Re: Origins of Jewish names SITE CITE and name questions #germany

Gerhard Buck <buckidstein@...>
 

Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer's letter causes me to ask for help in a
special case. Before family names were introduced, children got
patronymics as a second name. But what happened, when the father was
unknown, because the child was born out of wedlock? What happened, when
the father was known, yet not married to the mother? Is there any fixed
rule or tradition?

Reality seems to tell me: take whatever name you like. I have read
plenty of entries in the civil vital registers of the 19th^century, in
which we find all the inhabitants of all denominations in a place.
Concerning Jewish illegitimate children (with a known or unknown father)
all the Gentile writers were at a loss what to write as the second name.
There is a great variety of right or wrong possibilities. With the boys
I have the special problem of defining the given name.

One observation in my registers between 1817 and 1874 I would like to
mention in this context. If I find an illegitimate child in the early
years, more will follow through all the decades. The mothers belonged to
all the confessions “ they were Jews as well as all kinds of Christians.
If there are no unmarried mothers at the beginning, none will follow.

Gerhard Buck, Idstein, Germanybuckidstein@...


German SIG #Germany Re: Origins of Jewish names SITE CITE and name questions #germany

Gerhard Buck <buckidstein@...>
 

Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer's letter causes me to ask for help in a
special case. Before family names were introduced, children got
patronymics as a second name. But what happened, when the father was
unknown, because the child was born out of wedlock? What happened, when
the father was known, yet not married to the mother? Is there any fixed
rule or tradition?

Reality seems to tell me: take whatever name you like. I have read
plenty of entries in the civil vital registers of the 19th^century, in
which we find all the inhabitants of all denominations in a place.
Concerning Jewish illegitimate children (with a known or unknown father)
all the Gentile writers were at a loss what to write as the second name.
There is a great variety of right or wrong possibilities. With the boys
I have the special problem of defining the given name.

One observation in my registers between 1817 and 1874 I would like to
mention in this context. If I find an illegitimate child in the early
years, more will follow through all the decades. The mothers belonged to
all the confessions “ they were Jews as well as all kinds of Christians.
If there are no unmarried mothers at the beginning, none will follow.

Gerhard Buck, Idstein, Germanybuckidstein@...

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