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INTRO - Seeking GRUENEBAUM & LEVY
#germany
Dr John Meyer <meybar@...>
Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 3 years. I consider myself to be intermediate in doing German Jewish Genealogy research. I live in Hollywood Florida, USA. My native language is English. I consider myself advanced inusing a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.. I have identified the names and birth and death dates of 4 of my grandparents, 6 of my great grandparents and 8 of my great great grandparents. My primary research goals now are to find out: More info of Great great grandparents GRUENEBAUM. My JGFF Researcher ID number is 554178. I have not yet entered The family names and ancestral towns in the JGFF. Here are names that I have run into a dead end with...my grandmother Johannah GRUENEBAUM, GRUENEBAUM Married name MEYER Birth Rendel, Wetteraukreis, Hessen, Germany 27 Feb 1875 Lived in: Fechenheim, Frankfurt am Main, Hessen, Germany to Cuba 1942 to USA 1943 Jennie LEVY my great grandmother married to GRUENEBAUM same address as above. Sincerely, John Meyer, Hollywood, Florida USA meybar@aol.com
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German SIG #Germany INTRO - Seeking GRUENEBAUM & LEVY
#germany
Dr John Meyer <meybar@...>
Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 3 years. I consider myself to be intermediate in doing German Jewish Genealogy research. I live in Hollywood Florida, USA. My native language is English. I consider myself advanced inusing a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.. I have identified the names and birth and death dates of 4 of my grandparents, 6 of my great grandparents and 8 of my great great grandparents. My primary research goals now are to find out: More info of Great great grandparents GRUENEBAUM. My JGFF Researcher ID number is 554178. I have not yet entered The family names and ancestral towns in the JGFF. Here are names that I have run into a dead end with...my grandmother Johannah GRUENEBAUM, GRUENEBAUM Married name MEYER Birth Rendel, Wetteraukreis, Hessen, Germany 27 Feb 1875 Lived in: Fechenheim, Frankfurt am Main, Hessen, Germany to Cuba 1942 to USA 1943 Jennie LEVY my great grandmother married to GRUENEBAUM same address as above. Sincerely, John Meyer, Hollywood, Florida USA meybar@aol.com
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WEYL and LOBBENBERG
#germany
Hank Lobbenberg
Dear Gersiggers,
I have hit yet another wall in my hunt for family tree members. Regine JACOBS b. 1894 in Leiwen and d. 1942 in Auschwitz first married Manfred LOBBENBERG. I am unable to find out anything of his birth or death and would very much like to know these details. Regine then married Max WEYL b. 1873 and d. 1942 in Terezin, the esteemed rabbi of the Rikestrasse Synagogue in Berlin. He tutored Regina Jonas who became the first woman rabbi in the world in 1935. I would like to know where Max WEYL was born and how he may have fitted in to the many WEIL families already in my LOBBENBERG family tree. Regards, Henry Lobbenberg, Toronto, Canada hank.lobben@rogers.com
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German SIG #Germany WEYL and LOBBENBERG
#germany
Hank Lobbenberg
Dear Gersiggers,
I have hit yet another wall in my hunt for family tree members. Regine JACOBS b. 1894 in Leiwen and d. 1942 in Auschwitz first married Manfred LOBBENBERG. I am unable to find out anything of his birth or death and would very much like to know these details. Regine then married Max WEYL b. 1873 and d. 1942 in Terezin, the esteemed rabbi of the Rikestrasse Synagogue in Berlin. He tutored Regina Jonas who became the first woman rabbi in the world in 1935. I would like to know where Max WEYL was born and how he may have fitted in to the many WEIL families already in my LOBBENBERG family tree. Regards, Henry Lobbenberg, Toronto, Canada hank.lobben@rogers.com
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Re: 3 Dutch sisters with the same given name ???
#germany
Steve Jaron
Hi Werner,
What town in the Netherlands and surname are you looking at? Are you looking on the WieWasWie.nl and Akevoth.org websites? I would like to see what you are looking at. On Akevoth they will sometimes include the researchers explanation for things as well as include additional information. I have seen siblings with the same or similar names, in fact I have at least two instances on my tree that I can think of. Though one of those instances I think is a mistake but I will need to go back to Amsterdam to verify. In any case I have found that in researching my Dutch ancestry that naming conventions tend to go out the window. One thing I know off hand you can expect to see is kids named after living relatives. And don't even get me started on surnames... -Steve Jaron - sjaron@gmail.com On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Werner Frank wlfrank82@gmail.com <gersig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote: The official Dutch nineteenth century records of one Jewish family
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German SIG #Germany Re: 3 Dutch sisters with the same given name ???
#germany
Steve Jaron
Hi Werner,
What town in the Netherlands and surname are you looking at? Are you looking on the WieWasWie.nl and Akevoth.org websites? I would like to see what you are looking at. On Akevoth they will sometimes include the researchers explanation for things as well as include additional information. I have seen siblings with the same or similar names, in fact I have at least two instances on my tree that I can think of. Though one of those instances I think is a mistake but I will need to go back to Amsterdam to verify. In any case I have found that in researching my Dutch ancestry that naming conventions tend to go out the window. One thing I know off hand you can expect to see is kids named after living relatives. And don't even get me started on surnames... -Steve Jaron - sjaron@gmail.com On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Werner Frank wlfrank82@gmail.com <gersig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote: The official Dutch nineteenth century records of one Jewish family
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Re: Ashkenazim naming children for living people
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Mel Werbach <mel@...>
The given name "Gur Aryeh" (cub of the lion) is quite rare, and it is family lore that anyone with that name is related to me via my Horenstein ancestry. That turns out to be generally true - with rare exceptions.
In tracing that lineage to the first Gur Aryeh, the earliest I have found was born in 1792 (1851 Aleksandriya, Rovno uezd census). When I try to find an earlier origin to that name, the obvious candidate is his grandfather, R. Aryeh Yehudah Leib, AB"D of Ludmir, born in 1741. However, according to Biber (Mazkeret LeGedolei Ostroha), Aryeh Yehdudah Leib signed a document in 5567 - between 1806 and 1807; thus he was alive when Gur Aryeh was born in 1792. Both names are derived >from the Book of Genesis (Genesis 49:9): The patriarch Jacob blesses his son Judah, referring to him as a lion's cub, with the words: 'Gur aryeh Yehuda'(Judah [is] [the] cub of [the] lion.') Would an Ashkenazic Jewish family have named a child after a living ancestor by changing the name (i.e. >from Aryeh Yehuda Leib to Gur Aryeh) so that his name was DIFFERENT than that of the ancestor? I don't think we have any way of knowing the answer with certainty, but would appreciate any thoughts. Mel Werbach Los Angeles Researching: VERBUKH, HORENSTEIN, KANFER, KOMISAR, KORENBLIT >from Volhynia, Podolia and Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine; AUZENBERG, RUBINSKI, LEWINOWSKI/LUDWINOWSKI, ABRAMSKI, BRODOWICZ, SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki guberniya, Poland; MISHURSKI, GOLDBERG, MENDELSON >from Kovne guberniya, Lithuania
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Ashkenazim naming children for living people
#ukraine
Mel Werbach <mel@...>
The given name "Gur Aryeh" (cub of the lion) is quite rare, and it is family lore that anyone with that name is related to me via my Horenstein ancestry. That turns out to be generally true - with rare exceptions.
In tracing that lineage to the first Gur Aryeh, the earliest I have found was born in 1792 (1851 Aleksandriya, Rovno uezd census). When I try to find an earlier origin to that name, the obvious candidate is his grandfather, R. Aryeh Yehudah Leib, AB"D of Ludmir, born in 1741. However, according to Biber (Mazkeret LeGedolei Ostroha), Aryeh Yehdudah Leib signed a document in 5567 - between 1806 and 1807; thus he was alive when Gur Aryeh was born in 1792. Both names are derived >from the Book of Genesis (Genesis 49:9): The patriarch Jacob blesses his son Judah, referring to him as a lion's cub, with the words: 'Gur aryeh Yehuda'(Judah [is] [the] cub of [the] lion.') Would an Ashkenazic Jewish family have named a child after a living ancestor by changing the name (i.e. >from Aryeh Yehuda Leib to Gur Aryeh) so that his name was DIFFERENT than that of the ancestor? I don't think we have any way of knowing the answer with certainty, but would appreciate any thoughts. Mel Werbach Los Angeles Researching: VERBUKH, HORENSTEIN, KANFER, KOMISAR, KORENBLIT >from Volhynia, Podolia and Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine; AUZENBERG, RUBINSKI, LEWINOWSKI/LUDWINOWSKI, ABRAMSKI, BRODOWICZ, SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki guberniya, Poland; MISHURSKI, GOLDBERG, MENDELSON >from Kovne guberniya, Lithuania
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Volunteer HTML / webpage designers needed for the KehilaLinks Project
#usa
Susana Leistner Bloch
Dear Friends,
Although we have a wonderful team of dedicated and overworked volunteers, there are not enough of them and prospective webpage owners have to wait for months to get technical help. If you have the necessary skills we urge you to volunteer and help someone create a webpage dedicated to a Kehila / Shtetl / Gemeinde / Town / Immigrant Neighbourhood, and in this way honour and memorialize the Jewish community that once lived there and also provide a valuable resource for their descendants. Please contact us : <bloch@mts.net> Susana Leistner Bloch, VP, KehilaLinks, JewishGen, Inc. Barbara Ellman, KehilaLinks Technical Coordinator
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Free Sites for Searching Revolutionary War Ancestors
#usa
Jan Meisels Allen
The following are several free websites for searching Revolutionary War
Ancestors: Valley Forge Legacy -Muster Roll Project http://valleyforgemusterroll.org The Continental Army used monthly muster rolls to track the army's strength. Each entry provides name, rank, state, regiment, company, and ethnicity, if noted for each soldier. >from December 19, 1777 to June 19, 1778. One can search be entering at least the first two letters of a surname. The search can be limited by state or regiment. Kentucky Revolutionary War Warrants Database http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/ Each entry provides the warrant number, name, rank, regiment, number of years served, date of application, number of acres awarded, and assignee, if any. Pennsylvania State Archives Revolutionary War Military Abstract Card File and the Militia Officers Index Cards, 1775-1800 http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us The "Military Abstract Card File" contains transcriptions of data extracted from original records in the custody of the State Archives concerningRevolutionary War service in the Pennsylvania Militia, Pennsylvania Line, and the Navy. The "Militia Officers Index" lists militia officers who served during the American Revolution as well as in campaigns against Native Americans in northwestern Pennsylvania and during the Whiskey Rebellion. Information provided includes name, county, rank, company or battalion, dates of service, township, and occasionally the district within township. Archives of Maryland Muster Rolls and Other Records of Service of Maryland Troops in the American Revolution http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/speccol/sc2900/sc2908/000001/000018/htm l/index.html American Prisoners of the Revolution: Names of 8000 Men http://www.usmm.org/revdead.html provides a name listing only of the men held by the British as naval prisoners on ships at Wallabout Bay, later the site of the Brooklyn Navy Yard. The prisoners included men captured on American privateers, on merchant ships, and on French, Spanish, and Dutch vessels. This list was compiled by the Society of Old Brooklynites in 1888 >from papers in the British War Department. Thank you to Genealogy Gems News >from the Fort Wayne Library. Unfortunately they do not post their newsletter, one must subscribe (it's free) to receive it. To subscribe to "Genealogy Gems," simply use your browser to go to the website: www.GenealogyCenter.org. Scroll to the bottom, click on E-zine, and fill out the form. You will be notified with a confirmation email. Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Early American SIG #USA Volunteer HTML / webpage designers needed for the KehilaLinks Project
#usa
Susana Leistner Bloch
Dear Friends,
Although we have a wonderful team of dedicated and overworked volunteers, there are not enough of them and prospective webpage owners have to wait for months to get technical help. If you have the necessary skills we urge you to volunteer and help someone create a webpage dedicated to a Kehila / Shtetl / Gemeinde / Town / Immigrant Neighbourhood, and in this way honour and memorialize the Jewish community that once lived there and also provide a valuable resource for their descendants. Please contact us : <bloch@mts.net> Susana Leistner Bloch, VP, KehilaLinks, JewishGen, Inc. Barbara Ellman, KehilaLinks Technical Coordinator
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Early American SIG #USA Free Sites for Searching Revolutionary War Ancestors
#usa
Jan Meisels Allen
The following are several free websites for searching Revolutionary War
Ancestors: Valley Forge Legacy -Muster Roll Project http://valleyforgemusterroll.org The Continental Army used monthly muster rolls to track the army's strength. Each entry provides name, rank, state, regiment, company, and ethnicity, if noted for each soldier. >from December 19, 1777 to June 19, 1778. One can search be entering at least the first two letters of a surname. The search can be limited by state or regiment. Kentucky Revolutionary War Warrants Database http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/ Each entry provides the warrant number, name, rank, regiment, number of years served, date of application, number of acres awarded, and assignee, if any. Pennsylvania State Archives Revolutionary War Military Abstract Card File and the Militia Officers Index Cards, 1775-1800 http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us The "Military Abstract Card File" contains transcriptions of data extracted from original records in the custody of the State Archives concerningRevolutionary War service in the Pennsylvania Militia, Pennsylvania Line, and the Navy. The "Militia Officers Index" lists militia officers who served during the American Revolution as well as in campaigns against Native Americans in northwestern Pennsylvania and during the Whiskey Rebellion. Information provided includes name, county, rank, company or battalion, dates of service, township, and occasionally the district within township. Archives of Maryland Muster Rolls and Other Records of Service of Maryland Troops in the American Revolution http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/speccol/sc2900/sc2908/000001/000018/htm l/index.html American Prisoners of the Revolution: Names of 8000 Men http://www.usmm.org/revdead.html provides a name listing only of the men held by the British as naval prisoners on ships at Wallabout Bay, later the site of the Brooklyn Navy Yard. The prisoners included men captured on American privateers, on merchant ships, and on French, Spanish, and Dutch vessels. This list was compiled by the Society of Old Brooklynites in 1888 >from papers in the British War Department. Thank you to Genealogy Gems News >from the Fort Wayne Library. Unfortunately they do not post their newsletter, one must subscribe (it's free) to receive it. To subscribe to "Genealogy Gems," simply use your browser to go to the website: www.GenealogyCenter.org. Scroll to the bottom, click on E-zine, and fill out the form. You will be notified with a confirmation email. Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Two replies Re: [GerSIG] 3 Dutch sisters with the same given name ???
#germany
hennynow
Hi, Werner,
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That is indeed a curious case. The only explanation I can give is that the sisters were named for 2 grandmothers who were both "Marianne." My Hebrew name is Chaija. I was named after both my paternal grandmothers: Chaija Gittel Moëd-Seiner and Chaija Jawitz-Aronowitz, but then I was the last child of my parents.... Henriette Moëd Roth Los Angeles, CA hennynow@pacbell.net ==================================== I don't know for sure about Holland, but in Germany, particularly in areas under Napoleon, there were limited choices of given names legally available, so Jews would choose a name >from the list for a secular name, but at home they used a typical Jewish name. For example, one ancestor of mine registered his name as Zecharias in Worms, but on his headstone the name given is Yissochar. (See also the next to last paragraph here: http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Rheinphalz/rhe003.html). Thus it's possible that the sisters had different Jewish names, although they had identical secular names. David Shapiro, Jerusalem dshapiro@012.net.il
Werner L. Frank, Thousand Oaks CA wlfrank82@gmail.com wrote:
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German SIG #Germany Two replies Re: [GerSIG] 3 Dutch sisters with the same given name ???
#germany
hennynow
Hi, Werner,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
That is indeed a curious case. The only explanation I can give is that the sisters were named for 2 grandmothers who were both "Marianne." My Hebrew name is Chaija. I was named after both my paternal grandmothers: Chaija Gittel Moëd-Seiner and Chaija Jawitz-Aronowitz, but then I was the last child of my parents.... Henriette Moëd Roth Los Angeles, CA hennynow@pacbell.net ==================================== I don't know for sure about Holland, but in Germany, particularly in areas under Napoleon, there were limited choices of given names legally available, so Jews would choose a name >from the list for a secular name, but at home they used a typical Jewish name. For example, one ancestor of mine registered his name as Zecharias in Worms, but on his headstone the name given is Yissochar. (See also the next to last paragraph here: http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Rheinphalz/rhe003.html). Thus it's possible that the sisters had different Jewish names, although they had identical secular names. David Shapiro, Jerusalem dshapiro@012.net.il
Werner L. Frank, Thousand Oaks CA wlfrank82@gmail.com wrote:
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Geneen Hotel (Scotland) owners names
#general
Angie Elfassi
Hi,
Several years ago I heard >from a cousin who is related to me on my mother's side (my mother and her father were siblings) that she/we had some sort of connection with the owners of Geneen Hotel in Scotland. The relationship she mentioned might be >from her mother's side. Anyhow, I wrote about it at the time on this site and some people replied. Im wondering if anyone knows Mrs. Sophia Geneen's maiden name. The fact that some years have passed, maybe some people have new information. And with DNA now around, if I have a surname, I can try and find a relationship. Thanks. Regards, Angie Elfassi Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Geneen Hotel (Scotland) owners names
#general
Angie Elfassi
Hi,
Several years ago I heard >from a cousin who is related to me on my mother's side (my mother and her father were siblings) that she/we had some sort of connection with the owners of Geneen Hotel in Scotland. The relationship she mentioned might be >from her mother's side. Anyhow, I wrote about it at the time on this site and some people replied. Im wondering if anyone knows Mrs. Sophia Geneen's maiden name. The fact that some years have passed, maybe some people have new information. And with DNA now around, if I have a surname, I can try and find a relationship. Thanks. Regards, Angie Elfassi Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
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Re: Ashkenazim naming children for living people
#general
Mel Werbach <mel@...>
The given name "Gur Aryeh" (cub of the lion) is quite rare, and it is
family lore that anyone with that name is related to me via my Horenstein ancestry. That turns out to be generally true - with rare exceptions. In tracing that lineage to the first Gur Aryeh, the earliest I have found was born in 1792 (1851 Aleksandriya, Rovno uezd census). When I try to find an earlier origin to that name, the obvious candidate is his grandfather, R. Aryeh Yehudah Leib, AB"D of Ludmir, born in 1741. However, according to Biber (Mazkeret LeGedolei Ostroha), Aryeh Yehdudah Leib signed a document in 5567 = between 1806 and 1807; thus he was alive when Gur Aryeh was born in 1792. Both names are derived >from the Book of Genesis (Genesis 49:9): The patriarch Jacob blesses his son Judah, referring to him as a lion's cub, with the words: "Gur aryeh Yehuda." ("Judah [is] [the] cub of [the] lion.") Would an Ashkenazic Jewish family have named a child after a living ancestor by changing the name (i.e. >from Aryeh Yehuda Leib to Gur Aryeh) so that his name was *different* than that of the ancestor? I don't think we have any way of knowing the answer with certainty, but would appreciate any thoughts. Mel Werbach Los Angeles Researching: VERBUKH, HORENSTEIN, KANFER, KOMISAR, KORENBLIT >from Volhynia, Podolia and Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine; AUZENBERG, RUBINSKI, LEWINOWSKI/ LUDWINOWSKI, ABRAMSKI, BRODOWICZ, SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki guberniya, Poland; MISHURSKI, GOLDBERG, MENDELSON >from Kovne guberniya, Lithuania
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Records of the town Korolovka
#general
דוד נ.א.
Hello everyone
I am looking for death registration of Judah Kahn, died apparently in town Korolovka between the two world wars. How do I find out where recorded and stored records of Korolovka at all and in particular in those years? Many thanks in advance David Nesher Israel
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Ashkenazim naming children for living people
#general
Mel Werbach <mel@...>
The given name "Gur Aryeh" (cub of the lion) is quite rare, and it is
family lore that anyone with that name is related to me via my Horenstein ancestry. That turns out to be generally true - with rare exceptions. In tracing that lineage to the first Gur Aryeh, the earliest I have found was born in 1792 (1851 Aleksandriya, Rovno uezd census). When I try to find an earlier origin to that name, the obvious candidate is his grandfather, R. Aryeh Yehudah Leib, AB"D of Ludmir, born in 1741. However, according to Biber (Mazkeret LeGedolei Ostroha), Aryeh Yehdudah Leib signed a document in 5567 = between 1806 and 1807; thus he was alive when Gur Aryeh was born in 1792. Both names are derived >from the Book of Genesis (Genesis 49:9): The patriarch Jacob blesses his son Judah, referring to him as a lion's cub, with the words: "Gur aryeh Yehuda." ("Judah [is] [the] cub of [the] lion.") Would an Ashkenazic Jewish family have named a child after a living ancestor by changing the name (i.e. >from Aryeh Yehuda Leib to Gur Aryeh) so that his name was *different* than that of the ancestor? I don't think we have any way of knowing the answer with certainty, but would appreciate any thoughts. Mel Werbach Los Angeles Researching: VERBUKH, HORENSTEIN, KANFER, KOMISAR, KORENBLIT >from Volhynia, Podolia and Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine; AUZENBERG, RUBINSKI, LEWINOWSKI/ LUDWINOWSKI, ABRAMSKI, BRODOWICZ, SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki guberniya, Poland; MISHURSKI, GOLDBERG, MENDELSON >from Kovne guberniya, Lithuania
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Records of the town Korolovka
#general
דוד נ.א.
Hello everyone
I am looking for death registration of Judah Kahn, died apparently in town Korolovka between the two world wars. How do I find out where recorded and stored records of Korolovka at all and in particular in those years? Many thanks in advance David Nesher Israel
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