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23andMe Retracting Statement that Some Ashkenazi Users May Have Descended from the Khazars #dna

Jan Meisels Allen
 

DNA and genome testing company 23andMe has retracted their statement
regarding some Jews may be descended >from the Khazars which was sent to some
Ashkenazi Jews who tested with them. The report was sent to those with
haplogroup R-M512 and R1a. The company apologized in an email to the
Forward for the material not being struck before it was released to
consumers. They have not determined if they would issue a public apology or
press release about the in accuracy of the report. The Khazars were a
semi-nomadic tribe in the Caucasus largely destroyed in the 10th century
A.D. The "Khazar Theory" has been discredited by geneticists worldwide.

To read The Forward article see:
http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


DNA Research #DNA 23andMe Retracting Statement that Some Ashkenazi Users May Have Descended from the Khazars #dna

Jan Meisels Allen
 

DNA and genome testing company 23andMe has retracted their statement
regarding some Jews may be descended >from the Khazars which was sent to some
Ashkenazi Jews who tested with them. The report was sent to those with
haplogroup R-M512 and R1a. The company apologized in an email to the
Forward for the material not being struck before it was released to
consumers. They have not determined if they would issue a public apology or
press release about the in accuracy of the report. The Khazars were a
semi-nomadic tribe in the Caucasus largely destroyed in the 10th century
A.D. The "Khazar Theory" has been discredited by geneticists worldwide.

To read The Forward article see:
http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


DNA Testing May Give You Some Surprising Results #dna

Jan Meisels Allen
 

DNA testing is prolific in genealogy. Sometimes the results may be
startling-ethnicity and parentage to name two. In the August 29 edition of
the New York Times there is an article citing several such surprising
results.

Thank you to Phil Goldfarb, President, JGS Tulsa for sharing the article
with us.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/science/dna-tests-ancestry.html

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


DNA Research #DNA DNA Testing May Give You Some Surprising Results #dna

Jan Meisels Allen
 

DNA testing is prolific in genealogy. Sometimes the results may be
startling-ethnicity and parentage to name two. In the August 29 edition of
the New York Times there is an article citing several such surprising
results.

Thank you to Phil Goldfarb, President, JGS Tulsa for sharing the article
with us.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/science/dna-tests-ancestry.html

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Mogilev birth records for 1898? #belarus

Hilary Henkin
 

I have uncovered a mystery/discrepancy, which might be solved if I can
obtain a Mogilev birth record >from 1898.It appears >from reviewing the
Birth Index in the All-Belarus Database, and the corresponding
microfilms, that the available records end around 1888 or 1889.

Does anyone know if later records are available, and how they might be
obtained?


For those of you who might be curious, here's the story:
According to family history, my great-grandmother Hilda Henkin was
pregnant, when her husband died suddenly of stomach trouble. The boy,
named Nathan for his deceased father Noson, was supposedly born in
February 1898 (I have his SS-5 and his wife's Petition for Naturalization).

In reviewing the Belarus Births database, I found what I'm fairly
certain is Noson's death record: Noson Genkin, son of Mordukh
(correct), died of "intestines inflammation ." But this fellow died
Dec. 25, 1893.

Hoping to find merely a transcription/translation error (since 1898
could be read as 1893), I reviewed the actual record image at my local
Family History Center. The index is correct, Noson died in 1893. The
metrical books are chronological and there's no way the dates could be
mixed up.

So I dug further, and found a marriage record for one Ginda Berlin,
daughter of Leiba (also correct), a widow, to Iosel Leiba Gitsin, son of
Movsha Mordukh, in 1898. (This record is not held by the Family History
Library.) I'm wondering if my Hinda married Iosel in 1898, and Iosel is
actually Nathan's father?

There's even a possibility that Iosel was related to Noson, and Hinde
had a Levite marriage, marrying her husband's uncle. (The Genkins are
Kohanim).

If I could obtain Nathan's birth record >from 1898, I would learn his
father's name.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Hilary Henkin
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PS - yes, if you check the indexes, Noson's father died a few months
before him.
PS - I have Nathan's 1908 immigration record, he was 11. If he'd been
born in 1893, passing for 11 would've been difficult if not impossible.

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS;  LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;
PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY;  STEINHART
Roumania:  DONNENFIELD;  DOLLINGER;  RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;  WISENTHAL -
VIESENTAULHarbin, China:  FELDMAN;  PENZNER;  SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ


Belarus SIG #Belarus Mogilev birth records for 1898? #belarus

Hilary Henkin
 

I have uncovered a mystery/discrepancy, which might be solved if I can
obtain a Mogilev birth record >from 1898.It appears >from reviewing the
Birth Index in the All-Belarus Database, and the corresponding
microfilms, that the available records end around 1888 or 1889.

Does anyone know if later records are available, and how they might be
obtained?


For those of you who might be curious, here's the story:
According to family history, my great-grandmother Hilda Henkin was
pregnant, when her husband died suddenly of stomach trouble. The boy,
named Nathan for his deceased father Noson, was supposedly born in
February 1898 (I have his SS-5 and his wife's Petition for Naturalization).

In reviewing the Belarus Births database, I found what I'm fairly
certain is Noson's death record: Noson Genkin, son of Mordukh
(correct), died of "intestines inflammation ." But this fellow died
Dec. 25, 1893.

Hoping to find merely a transcription/translation error (since 1898
could be read as 1893), I reviewed the actual record image at my local
Family History Center. The index is correct, Noson died in 1893. The
metrical books are chronological and there's no way the dates could be
mixed up.

So I dug further, and found a marriage record for one Ginda Berlin,
daughter of Leiba (also correct), a widow, to Iosel Leiba Gitsin, son of
Movsha Mordukh, in 1898. (This record is not held by the Family History
Library.) I'm wondering if my Hinda married Iosel in 1898, and Iosel is
actually Nathan's father?

There's even a possibility that Iosel was related to Noson, and Hinde
had a Levite marriage, marrying her husband's uncle. (The Genkins are
Kohanim).

If I could obtain Nathan's birth record >from 1898, I would learn his
father's name.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Hilary Henkin
MODERATOR NOTE: General information may be posted to the list. Please
send specific family information privately


PS - yes, if you check the indexes, Noson's father died a few months
before him.
PS - I have Nathan's 1908 immigration record, he was 11. If he'd been
born in 1893, passing for 11 would've been difficult if not impossible.

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS;  LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;
PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY;  STEINHART
Roumania:  DONNENFIELD;  DOLLINGER;  RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;  WISENTHAL -
VIESENTAULHarbin, China:  FELDMAN;  PENZNER;  SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ


ViewMate Translation Request - Polish #galicia

Susan Rosin
 

Hello Genners,

I've posted several birth records in Polish for which I need a
translation. I am interested in as many details as possible. They are
all on ViewMate at the following addresses:

My GF - Moses Oher (b. 1880)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59020

My GF's sister - Reche Oher (b. 1882)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59021

My father's oldest sister - Maria Oher (b. 1907)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59022

My father's second sister - Anna Oher (b. 1911)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59023

My Father - Jozef Joachim Oher (b. 1914)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59024

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you so much,

Susan Oher - Rosin
Brea, CA
Researching Allerhand, Bardach, Morgenstern, Oher all >from Galicia:
Stryj, Boryslaw, Knihinicze, Schodnica


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate Translation Request - Polish #galicia

Susan Rosin
 

Hello Genners,

I've posted several birth records in Polish for which I need a
translation. I am interested in as many details as possible. They are
all on ViewMate at the following addresses:

My GF - Moses Oher (b. 1880)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59020

My GF's sister - Reche Oher (b. 1882)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59021

My father's oldest sister - Maria Oher (b. 1907)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59022

My father's second sister - Anna Oher (b. 1911)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59023

My Father - Jozef Joachim Oher (b. 1914)
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM59024

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you so much,

Susan Oher - Rosin
Brea, CA
Researching Allerhand, Bardach, Morgenstern, Oher all >from Galicia:
Stryj, Boryslaw, Knihinicze, Schodnica


Re: Reminder to preserve documents and other things in the cloud & off-site #general

Dahn Cukier
 

I wish to add a warning to the reminder. A cloud service is only disk space at
a company. In the past courts have ordered at least one company to cease
operations. A company may also decide to stop the service.

If you have a lock box at a bank or a relative in a different city, I would
suggest also having 2 thumb-drives (jump disk, disk-on-key, whatever) and
keep one at the bank, back up data every Rosh Hashana and Pesach and exchange the
drives.

If you want to argue a point, write directly to me.

Dahn Cukier

MODERATOR NOTE: The topc of data storage and preservation is off-topic and this
message and the one to which it responded were not intended to begin a discussion.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Reminder to preserve documents and other things in the cloud & off-site #general

Dahn Cukier
 

I wish to add a warning to the reminder. A cloud service is only disk space at
a company. In the past courts have ordered at least one company to cease
operations. A company may also decide to stop the service.

If you have a lock box at a bank or a relative in a different city, I would
suggest also having 2 thumb-drives (jump disk, disk-on-key, whatever) and
keep one at the bank, back up data every Rosh Hashana and Pesach and exchange the
drives.

If you want to argue a point, write directly to me.

Dahn Cukier

MODERATOR NOTE: The topc of data storage and preservation is off-topic and this
message and the one to which it responded were not intended to begin a discussion.


Warsaw address numbers #general

Tsiporah Trom <ouri.trom@...>
 

Dear fellow genners,

I would like to know where I can find a document that will give me the full address
(house number and street name)corresponding to the address numbers mentioned in
Warsaw civil records.

Thank you.

Geraldine Trom
Antwerp, Belgium

Researching in Warsaw:
GRUNBAUM, BUGARSKY, BAUMANN, PORTNER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Warsaw address numbers #general

Tsiporah Trom <ouri.trom@...>
 

Dear fellow genners,

I would like to know where I can find a document that will give me the full address
(house number and street name)corresponding to the address numbers mentioned in
Warsaw civil records.

Thank you.

Geraldine Trom
Antwerp, Belgium

Researching in Warsaw:
GRUNBAUM, BUGARSKY, BAUMANN, PORTNER


Old portraits (Warsaw) #general

Tsiporah Trom <ouri.trom@...>
 

Dear genners,

Thank you Stephen Denker for bringing up this subject.

I'm also in possession of several old family portraits I would like to date,
probably end 19th century. In the hope of identifying relatives that probably
appear on my tree. But mine were taken by photographers in Warsaw.

Any advice on material that could help me ?

Here are the names of the photographs and their address (when I have it):

Rafael Dluga 40
M. Pusch Miodowa 1
I. Jankowski Miodowa 6
Murillo Leszno 4
G. Linder
R. Majorkiewicz

Thank you in advance for your help,

Geraldine Trom

Researching GRUNBAUM, BAUMANN, BUGARSKY and PORTNER >from WARSAW


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Old portraits (Warsaw) #general

Tsiporah Trom <ouri.trom@...>
 

Dear genners,

Thank you Stephen Denker for bringing up this subject.

I'm also in possession of several old family portraits I would like to date,
probably end 19th century. In the hope of identifying relatives that probably
appear on my tree. But mine were taken by photographers in Warsaw.

Any advice on material that could help me ?

Here are the names of the photographs and their address (when I have it):

Rafael Dluga 40
M. Pusch Miodowa 1
I. Jankowski Miodowa 6
Murillo Leszno 4
G. Linder
R. Majorkiewicz

Thank you in advance for your help,

Geraldine Trom

Researching GRUNBAUM, BAUMANN, BUGARSKY and PORTNER >from WARSAW


ViewMate Translation Request--German #germany

Deborah Dworski
 

I have posted to ViewMate five German-language vital records for which
I am seeking translation. All are in tabular/columnar format and all
are >from the town of Horodenka, formerly part of Galicia, now in
Ukraine. Here are direct links to the images; each image is
accompanied by an explanation or some basic context:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58978
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58979
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58980
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58981
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58982

< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >
Please thank those who help you and support ViewMate, JewishGen
and GerSIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors/
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp

Please respond via ViewMate or privately.

Thank you, Deborah Dworski Arlington, VA. USA


German SIG #Germany ViewMate Translation Request--German #germany

Deborah Dworski
 

I have posted to ViewMate five German-language vital records for which
I am seeking translation. All are in tabular/columnar format and all
are >from the town of Horodenka, formerly part of Galicia, now in
Ukraine. Here are direct links to the images; each image is
accompanied by an explanation or some basic context:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58978
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58979
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58980
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58981
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58982

< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >
Please thank those who help you and support ViewMate, JewishGen
and GerSIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors/
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp

Please respond via ViewMate or privately.

Thank you, Deborah Dworski Arlington, VA. USA


METZGER Family #germany

ronald Wallace
 

I am researching a METZGER family that is known to have come >from Landau
(Pfalz) in Germany. Some of them went to Karlsruhe and stayed there. Some
parts of the family also resided in Busenburg near to Landau.

Has anyone done any research in these towns/cities and come across any
Metzger family members. Know names are Lazarus and his four male children
Adolph, Julius, Maximilian and Robert. Lazarus was married to a Regina
August. The children mentioned were born in 1842, 1843, 1844 and 1850.
Lazarus and Regina and the four children are known to have been alive in
1869, although they were not all living in Landau at that time. Adolph had
emigrated to the US and Max and Julius were living in Karlsruhe by then. We
believe that Regina's August family came >from Busenberg. Her Father was we
believe Andreas August married to Regina Levy.

It is very possible that Lazarus married a second time possibly around the
early 1870's and adopted more children >from the second wife's previous
marriage.

If anyone knows anything about this family I would be most grateful to hear
from them. One of my fellow researchers is possibly planning a trip to the
area next year. He does not speak any German and might be interested in
anyone familiar with the area who could help him with the research.

Thanks for any help

Ronny Wallace, Apollo Beach, Florida ronald@...

MODERATOR REMINDER: Family names of research subjects like METZGER
should be typed with all capital letters every time mentions any place
in your Email to this list.


German SIG #Germany METZGER Family #germany

ronald Wallace
 

I am researching a METZGER family that is known to have come >from Landau
(Pfalz) in Germany. Some of them went to Karlsruhe and stayed there. Some
parts of the family also resided in Busenburg near to Landau.

Has anyone done any research in these towns/cities and come across any
Metzger family members. Know names are Lazarus and his four male children
Adolph, Julius, Maximilian and Robert. Lazarus was married to a Regina
August. The children mentioned were born in 1842, 1843, 1844 and 1850.
Lazarus and Regina and the four children are known to have been alive in
1869, although they were not all living in Landau at that time. Adolph had
emigrated to the US and Max and Julius were living in Karlsruhe by then. We
believe that Regina's August family came >from Busenberg. Her Father was we
believe Andreas August married to Regina Levy.

It is very possible that Lazarus married a second time possibly around the
early 1870's and adopted more children >from the second wife's previous
marriage.

If anyone knows anything about this family I would be most grateful to hear
from them. One of my fellow researchers is possibly planning a trip to the
area next year. He does not speak any German and might be interested in
anyone familiar with the area who could help him with the research.

Thanks for any help

Ronny Wallace, Apollo Beach, Florida ronald@...

MODERATOR REMINDER: Family names of research subjects like METZGER
should be typed with all capital letters every time mentions any place
in your Email to this list.


Baal Shem of Chelm #rabbinic

RCK <rachack@...>
 

Somebody sent me the following email:
My family was >from Chelm and my grandmother said she was a descendant
of the Baal Shem through her mother. It was unclear to us whether she
was talking about the Baal Shem Tov, but it now seems more likely that
her ancestor was actually Rav Yehuda Baal Shem of Chelm. She brought
an ilan yichusin with her and gave it to someone's "safekeeping".
Unfortunately, over the years it was lost. Do you know where I might
be able to find a family tree of Rav Eliyahu Baal Shem of Chelm?

Does anybody have any ideas for her?
Kol Tuv,
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Baal Shem of Chelm #rabbinic

RCK <rachack@...>
 

Somebody sent me the following email:
My family was >from Chelm and my grandmother said she was a descendant
of the Baal Shem through her mother. It was unclear to us whether she
was talking about the Baal Shem Tov, but it now seems more likely that
her ancestor was actually Rav Yehuda Baal Shem of Chelm. She brought
an ilan yichusin with her and gave it to someone's "safekeeping".
Unfortunately, over the years it was lost. Do you know where I might
be able to find a family tree of Rav Eliyahu Baal Shem of Chelm?

Does anybody have any ideas for her?
Kol Tuv,
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel

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