Ellen:

I talked to Lynn last night (I'm interested in consulting her about drawing
up wills, a chore my wife & I have inexcusably put off); she mentioned your
frustration at not finding records of your family in Lithuania. You
shouldn't be discouraged. Records over there are fragmented at best; in the
last hundred years the area's been through so much that it's amazing any
records have survived at all. I read recently an account >from one of the
archivists, explaining how records were shuffled between Kovno and Moscow or
another provincial capital, then back, and how lots of stuff was lost in
transition, as well as damaged by bad care & the elements. It's frustrating
not to find anything, but I think that's really more the norm than the
exception. If your family has its own documentation or oral tradition,
that's about the best you'll get in most cases.

Be well,

Andy

Andrew Cassel
The Philadelphia Inquirer
400 N. Broad St.
Philadelphia Pa. 19130
phone: 215-854-5981
fax:215-854-5553
email: andrew.cassel@phillynews.com

On Tuesday, May 18, 1999 12:44 AM, Gene and Ellen Sucov
[SMTP:sucov+@pitt.edu] wrote:

Hi Andy!
What a lovely pun!
"
... a landsleit landslide "

I hope this Keidaner PM will be good for Jews everywhere.

Gene and Ellen Sucov now in Pittsburgh


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Ellen:

I talked to Lynn last night (I'm interested in consulting her about drawing
up wills, a chore my wife & I have inexcusably put off); she mentioned your
frustration at not finding records of your family in Lithuania. You
shouldn't be discouraged. Records over there are fragmented at best; in the
last hundred years the area's been through so much that it's amazing any
records have survived at all. I read recently an account >from one of the
archivists, explaining how records were shuffled between Kovno and Moscow or
another provincial capital, then back, and how lots of stuff was lost in
transition, as well as damaged by bad care & the elements. It's frustrating
not to find anything, but I think that's really more the norm than the
exception. If your family has its own documentation or oral tradition,
that's about the best you'll get in most cases.

Be well,

Andy

Andrew Cassel
The Philadelphia Inquirer
400 N. Broad St.
Philadelphia Pa. 19130
phone: 215-854-5981
fax:215-854-5553
email: andrew.cassel@phillynews.com

On Tuesday, May 18, 1999 12:44 AM, Gene and Ellen Sucov
[SMTP:sucov+@pitt.edu] wrote:

Hi Andy!
What a lovely pun!
"
... a landsleit landslide "

I hope this Keidaner PM will be good for Jews everywhere.

Gene and Ellen Sucov now in Pittsburgh


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Looking for anyone who has information on either family line, the
SHADCHAN or PLISKIN. My family line came >from Ukraine. Any information
is appreciated. Zalem and Miriam Pliskin; Nathan Shadchan.
Melissa Anderson
California, USA
shadchan@hotmail.com

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in future searches. It can be accessed directly >from our homepage:
http://www.jewishgen.org
By the way, The JGFF has 4 entries on the name PLISKIN

Looking for anyone who has information on either family line, the
SHADCHAN or PLISKIN. My family line came >from Ukraine. Any information
is appreciated. Zalem and Miriam Pliskin; Nathan Shadchan.
Melissa Anderson
California, USA
shadchan@hotmail.com

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I have just reviewed the Revision list for Saukenai (Old name Shukian)
and think that I may have broken the code for my Grandfathers original
name. His name in the USA was MOFSENSON, and he always said the he was
the son of the son of MOFS. The revision lists for his shtetl has the
name MOVSH. I am putting one and one together and fell that perhaps the
name in the old country was really MOVSH.

Now, I am seeking that name. Any one have any good ideas to further
solve this enigma?

My grandfather was born in 1860's, came to the USA in 1886 and brought
his father, stepmother and the rest of the family over. We never heard
of any relatives in Europe. It seems that they were just dumped in the
USA without any info >from Lithuania, only the name of the Shtetl

Would appreciate any suggestions to further my search

Al Goldberg Framingham, MA

I have just reviewed the Revision list for Saukenai (Old name Shukian)
and think that I may have broken the code for my Grandfathers original
name. His name in the USA was MOFSENSON, and he always said the he was
the son of the son of MOFS. The revision lists for his shtetl has the
name MOVSH. I am putting one and one together and fell that perhaps the
name in the old country was really MOVSH.

Now, I am seeking that name. Any one have any good ideas to further
solve this enigma?

My grandfather was born in 1860's, came to the USA in 1886 and brought
his father, stepmother and the rest of the family over. We never heard
of any relatives in Europe. It seems that they were just dumped in the
USA without any info >from Lithuania, only the name of the Shtetl

Would appreciate any suggestions to further my search

Al Goldberg Framingham, MA

hello

dear all
one of my ancester in Latvia was born in 1840's held the name Claune may
be
sombody
can tell me what is the origin translation for the jewish name , because
all family member
have jewish nam's >from bible.
any help will be appreciated .
thanking you in advance

best regard
avi lishower
lishower@inter.net.il

hello

dear all
one of my ancester in Latvia was born in 1840's held the name Claune may
be
sombody
can tell me what is the origin translation for the jewish name , because
all family member
have jewish nam's >from bible.
any help will be appreciated .
thanking you in advance

best regard
avi lishower
lishower@inter.net.il

Does anyone heard of Yakobstadt in Courland

Moderator's Note: Courland was a part of Latvia. See the shtetl seekers page
at http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeekers/

Does anyone heard of Yakobstadt in Courland

Moderator's Note: Courland was a part of Latvia. See the shtetl seekers page
at http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeekers/

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:46:21 +0200
From: imra@netvision.net.il

Subject: Gas Chamber Denial in the Palestinian Media

MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 33

May 20, 1999
Middle East Media and Research Institute (MEMRI)
1815 H Street, NW , Suite 404
Washington, DC 20006
Phone: (202) 955-9070

E-mail: MEMRI@erols.com

Search MEMRI's prior publications at our website: www.memri.org.

[MEMRI holds copyrights on all translations. Materials may only

be cited with proper attribution.]

Gas Chamber Denial in the Palestinian Media

Following are excerpts >from an article, about the 1988 trial of a Holocaust

denier in Canada, entitled "The Legend and the Truth: An American Expert
Discusses the Details" which appeared in the Palestinian newspaper
Al-Manar, May 3, 1999:

"Nobody in the West dares to stand up, when the subject is the fictitious

Nazi Holocaust against the Jews of Europe. Since the end of WWII, the
victors have imposed their hegemony over history, and forged the legend
of the Holocaust to extort the entire world, using the face of the ugly
Nazi.They planted a thorn in the side of defeated Germany to extort it
forever.

Whenever the truth reached the tongues of western intellectuals, the

democratic regimes abandoned their liberalism and treated these scientists
of History the same way the Catholic Church treated the Italian scientist
Galileo when he tried to prove the world is round. His fate was to be
executed.

Because history does not acknowledge legends, no matter what lies they

include. the Holocaust legend faced the mighty winds of truth that tore it
up by its feeble roots. Dozens of intellectuals and politicians in the West.
refuted the false claims of this legend. ending with the renown French
intellectual Rojer Garaudi. who exposed the legends that served as the
foundations of the state of Israel, and first and foremost, the legend of
the Holocaust.

Despite the importance of all these. efforts, the knockout. came >from an

American expert, a specialist in building gas chambers in American jails.
This expert, Fred Leutcher, prepared a scientific field report about the
Nazi execution camps. [proving] that even if all of the Nazi camps had
been operating at full capacity, the total number of victims would not
have exceeded a hundred thousand, and certainly could not have reached
the one million mark.

Leutcher's report was prepared in 1988 to save an American intellectual
from imprisonment for challenging this mendacious legend.

French intellectual Roger Garaudi. referred to this report in his book that

enraged international Zionism and revealed the ugly face of western
democracies.

The Al-Ahram Al-Arabi newspaper [an Egyptian weekly] published this

scientific report which serves as an unprecedented historical document
and a death sentence to the bogus execution legends.

Leutcher's report. uses forensic evidence to refute the superstition of gas

chambers for Jews in the Nazi era. The story of this report begins in
January 1988, when internationally renowned lawyer Dr. Robert Faurisson,
was in Toronto, Canada, assisting in the defense of Ernst Zuendel. A
Canadian citizen of German origin, Mr. Zuendel was accused of distributing
fake information after publishing a book titled Were Six Million Really
Killed? Zuendel discussed the widespread claim that the Nazis killed six
million Jews during WWII, in gas chambers with, Hydrogen Cyanide the
'Zyklon B Gas...'

Faurisson says, 'I started talking to Fred Leutcher, an expert in the

design of execution devices...He amazed me with the proficiency of his
answers and his skill in explaining all the details of the process of executing
by gas. He explained the extreme danger of using Hydrogen Cyanide in
executions. This gas was first used in executions in the US in 1942, but there
were still many problems in designing gas chambers. in 1988, including
problems of gas leakage. I noticed Leutcher did not doubt the traditional
claim regarding the Jewish Holocaust.'

Faurisson added: '.Zuendel decided to ask Leutcher to prepare a scientific

perspective regarding the claims of gas chambers in Auschwitz, Birkenau
and Majdanek.'

Leutcher accepted the assignment. On February 25, 1988, Fred Leutcher and

his wife Caroline, along with the draftsman Howard Miller, cinematographer
Jurgen Neumann, and Polish interpreter Theodor Rudolph flew to Poland and
returned 8 days later.

On his return, Leutcher began writing a report that consisted of 192 pages,

including appendices. His conclusions were clear: there is strong evidence
that there were no gas chambers for executions in Auschwitz, Birkenau or
Majdanek. The places that were claimed to be execution chambers could
not have been used back then, cannot be used in the present, and cannot
even conceivably be used as chambers for executions by gas."

Faurisson says that on April 20-21, 1988, Fred Leutcher took the witness

stand at the Toronto court and began by answering the questions of the
defense... Afterwards, the prosecutor John Pearson, questioned Leutcher.
Another prosecutor assisted him and the two of them consulted constantly
with Jewish advisors sitting behind them...

All present, regardless of their personal view on the subject, knew [that]

they were participating in a historic event - the end of the legend of gas
chambers..

Faurisson says: "I think I was the first to point out that any research of

the German gas chambers using Zyklon B, should start with the study
of American gas chambers.. The theory of executions can only be proven
true or false by investigating the claim that Auschwitz was a death-factory.

The investigations held by the 'Correction Movement' proved those places

claimed to have been gas chambers, could not have been used for that
purpose... Those rooms. claimed to be gas chambers, were in reality,
warehouses for corpses...

It was imperative to find an expert of American gas chambers..Fred

Leutcher was that expert. He conducted the investigation, wrote the
report, and signed it in Canadian court. When I asked him if he was
afraid of dangerous consequences, he answered: 'the truth is the truth.'

After reading his report, the British historian David Irving, said that

this document would become an obligatory source for any historian
writing about WWII...'

It is possible that Ernst Zuendel will again be jailed for his research and

beliefs or that they will threaten to deport him. Anything can happen when
there is a cultural crisis and re-arrangement of historical notions to that
extent. His Correction Movement is the greatest cultural adventure of the
end of this century. Whatever happens, Ernst Zuendel is the victor.He is a
peaceful warrior who achieved his victory using his brains and convictions.

The strange thing is that on May 11, 1988, the jury decided to convict

Zuendel of publishing wrong information about the Holocaust. He was
sentenced to 9 months imprisonment, but was bailed out after signing
an obligation not to write or talk about the Holocaust until the end of the
appeals process. Thus, Zuendel joined truth facing the powers
of ignorance and lies."


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Middle East Media and Research Institute (MEMRI) is an independent,

non-profit organization providing translations of the Arab media and
original analysis and research on developments in the Middle East. Copies
of articles and documents cited, as well as background information, are
available upon request.



******************************************************

"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are

punished by being governed by those who are dumber"

******************************************************

MORRIS STILLMAN <bold>stillmm@cybernex.net

</bold> also: <bold>stillmm@vjmail.com </bold>(backup e-mail address)

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:46:21 +0200
From: imra@netvision.net.il

Subject: Gas Chamber Denial in the Palestinian Media

MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 33

May 20, 1999
Middle East Media and Research Institute (MEMRI)
1815 H Street, NW , Suite 404
Washington, DC 20006
Phone: (202) 955-9070

E-mail: MEMRI@erols.com

Search MEMRI's prior publications at our website: www.memri.org.

[MEMRI holds copyrights on all translations. Materials may only

be cited with proper attribution.]

Gas Chamber Denial in the Palestinian Media

Following are excerpts >from an article, about the 1988 trial of a Holocaust

denier in Canada, entitled "The Legend and the Truth: An American Expert
Discusses the Details" which appeared in the Palestinian newspaper
Al-Manar, May 3, 1999:

"Nobody in the West dares to stand up, when the subject is the fictitious

Nazi Holocaust against the Jews of Europe. Since the end of WWII, the
victors have imposed their hegemony over history, and forged the legend
of the Holocaust to extort the entire world, using the face of the ugly
Nazi.They planted a thorn in the side of defeated Germany to extort it
forever.

Whenever the truth reached the tongues of western intellectuals, the

democratic regimes abandoned their liberalism and treated these scientists
of History the same way the Catholic Church treated the Italian scientist
Galileo when he tried to prove the world is round. His fate was to be
executed.

Because history does not acknowledge legends, no matter what lies they

include. the Holocaust legend faced the mighty winds of truth that tore it
up by its feeble roots. Dozens of intellectuals and politicians in the West.
refuted the false claims of this legend. ending with the renown French
intellectual Rojer Garaudi. who exposed the legends that served as the
foundations of the state of Israel, and first and foremost, the legend of
the Holocaust.

Despite the importance of all these. efforts, the knockout. came >from an

American expert, a specialist in building gas chambers in American jails.
This expert, Fred Leutcher, prepared a scientific field report about the
Nazi execution camps. [proving] that even if all of the Nazi camps had
been operating at full capacity, the total number of victims would not
have exceeded a hundred thousand, and certainly could not have reached
the one million mark.

Leutcher's report was prepared in 1988 to save an American intellectual
from imprisonment for challenging this mendacious legend.

French intellectual Roger Garaudi. referred to this report in his book that

enraged international Zionism and revealed the ugly face of western
democracies.

The Al-Ahram Al-Arabi newspaper [an Egyptian weekly] published this

scientific report which serves as an unprecedented historical document
and a death sentence to the bogus execution legends.

Leutcher's report. uses forensic evidence to refute the superstition of gas

chambers for Jews in the Nazi era. The story of this report begins in
January 1988, when internationally renowned lawyer Dr. Robert Faurisson,
was in Toronto, Canada, assisting in the defense of Ernst Zuendel. A
Canadian citizen of German origin, Mr. Zuendel was accused of distributing
fake information after publishing a book titled Were Six Million Really
Killed? Zuendel discussed the widespread claim that the Nazis killed six
million Jews during WWII, in gas chambers with, Hydrogen Cyanide the
'Zyklon B Gas...'

Faurisson says, 'I started talking to Fred Leutcher, an expert in the

design of execution devices...He amazed me with the proficiency of his
answers and his skill in explaining all the details of the process of executing
by gas. He explained the extreme danger of using Hydrogen Cyanide in
executions. This gas was first used in executions in the US in 1942, but there
were still many problems in designing gas chambers. in 1988, including
problems of gas leakage. I noticed Leutcher did not doubt the traditional
claim regarding the Jewish Holocaust.'

Faurisson added: '.Zuendel decided to ask Leutcher to prepare a scientific

perspective regarding the claims of gas chambers in Auschwitz, Birkenau
and Majdanek.'

Leutcher accepted the assignment. On February 25, 1988, Fred Leutcher and

his wife Caroline, along with the draftsman Howard Miller, cinematographer
Jurgen Neumann, and Polish interpreter Theodor Rudolph flew to Poland and
returned 8 days later.

On his return, Leutcher began writing a report that consisted of 192 pages,

including appendices. His conclusions were clear: there is strong evidence
that there were no gas chambers for executions in Auschwitz, Birkenau or
Majdanek. The places that were claimed to be execution chambers could
not have been used back then, cannot be used in the present, and cannot
even conceivably be used as chambers for executions by gas."

Faurisson says that on April 20-21, 1988, Fred Leutcher took the witness

stand at the Toronto court and began by answering the questions of the
defense... Afterwards, the prosecutor John Pearson, questioned Leutcher.
Another prosecutor assisted him and the two of them consulted constantly
with Jewish advisors sitting behind them...

All present, regardless of their personal view on the subject, knew [that]

they were participating in a historic event - the end of the legend of gas
chambers..

Faurisson says: "I think I was the first to point out that any research of

the German gas chambers using Zyklon B, should start with the study
of American gas chambers.. The theory of executions can only be proven
true or false by investigating the claim that Auschwitz was a death-factory.

The investigations held by the 'Correction Movement' proved those places

claimed to have been gas chambers, could not have been used for that
purpose... Those rooms. claimed to be gas chambers, were in reality,
warehouses for corpses...

It was imperative to find an expert of American gas chambers..Fred

Leutcher was that expert. He conducted the investigation, wrote the
report, and signed it in Canadian court. When I asked him if he was
afraid of dangerous consequences, he answered: 'the truth is the truth.'

After reading his report, the British historian David Irving, said that

this document would become an obligatory source for any historian
writing about WWII...'

It is possible that Ernst Zuendel will again be jailed for his research and

beliefs or that they will threaten to deport him. Anything can happen when
there is a cultural crisis and re-arrangement of historical notions to that
extent. His Correction Movement is the greatest cultural adventure of the
end of this century. Whatever happens, Ernst Zuendel is the victor.He is a
peaceful warrior who achieved his victory using his brains and convictions.

The strange thing is that on May 11, 1988, the jury decided to convict

Zuendel of publishing wrong information about the Holocaust. He was
sentenced to 9 months imprisonment, but was bailed out after signing
an obligation not to write or talk about the Holocaust until the end of the
appeals process. Thus, Zuendel joined truth facing the powers
of ignorance and lies."


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Middle East Media and Research Institute (MEMRI) is an independent,

non-profit organization providing translations of the Arab media and
original analysis and research on developments in the Middle East. Copies
of articles and documents cited, as well as background information, are
available upon request.



******************************************************

"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are

punished by being governed by those who are dumber"

******************************************************

MORRIS STILLMAN <bold>stillmm@cybernex.net

</bold> also: <bold>stillmm@vjmail.com </bold>(backup e-mail address)

Dear Members of the Galicia SIG Discussion Group,

In order to maintain our focus on research of Galician Jewish families
and the towns where they lived in Galicia, we will approve only those
posts to the Galicia SIG which specifically relate to Jewish Galicia.

Please post general genealogical topics, including announcements of
meetings unrelated to Galicia, on the JewishGen On-Line Discussion
Group.

To subscribe to JewishGen Discussion Group:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/DiscussionGroup.htm>

If you are researching towns in another area (Belarus, for example),
check to see if there is a Discussion Group for that area.

Go to: <http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm>

If you are researching non-Jewish Galician families and their towns,
visit the Federation of Eastern European Family History Societies
(FEEFHS) web site, which has many links to other Galician web pages.
<http://feefhs.org>

Thank you for your cooperation.

-
Shelley Kellerman Pollero
<rpollero@umd5.umd.edu>
Severna Park, Maryland
Gesher Galicia Coordinator

Dear Members of the Galicia SIG Discussion Group,

In order to maintain our focus on research of Galician Jewish families
and the towns where they lived in Galicia, we will approve only those
posts to the Galicia SIG which specifically relate to Jewish Galicia.

Please post general genealogical topics, including announcements of
meetings unrelated to Galicia, on the JewishGen On-Line Discussion
Group.

To subscribe to JewishGen Discussion Group:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/DiscussionGroup.htm>

If you are researching towns in another area (Belarus, for example),
check to see if there is a Discussion Group for that area.

Go to: <http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm>

If you are researching non-Jewish Galician families and their towns,
visit the Federation of Eastern European Family History Societies
(FEEFHS) web site, which has many links to other Galician web pages.
<http://feefhs.org>

Thank you for your cooperation.

-
Shelley Kellerman Pollero
<rpollero@umd5.umd.edu>
Severna Park, Maryland
Gesher Galicia Coordinator

Although not familiar with the name "Claune," I am familiar with the name
"Chlaune" (also transliterated as "Chlavna") which is a varient of the
name Chlavna. I have written about this name before either on the
JewishGen listserve or this listserve. Please search the archives for my
notes regarding this name.

Yours Truly,

Michoel Ronn (chromelion@juno.com)

Although not familiar with the name "Claune," I am familiar with the name
"Chlaune" (also transliterated as "Chlavna") which is a varient of the
name Chlavna. I have written about this name before either on the
JewishGen listserve or this listserve. Please search the archives for my
notes regarding this name.

Yours Truly,

Michoel Ronn (chromelion@juno.com)

I am researching a newly found branch of my family. My great grandmother's
family. Her name was Nellie ABOLOFSKY, she married Sam FERBER and they had 4
Children: Jacob, Charles, Jennie and Pearl (born in Ukraine/Russia). My
grandfather Charles and his siblings came to the U.S., but I'm not sure
about Sam and Nellie. If you know anything about this family please
contact me.
Also I have set up a surname board for the ABOLOFSKY surname:
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb523679

Thanks for any help you can provide!

Barbara Ferber-McCarthy
Lawrenceville, Georgia
ga4mccarthys@mindspring.com

I am researching a newly found branch of my family. My great grandmother's
family. Her name was Nellie ABOLOFSKY, she married Sam FERBER and they had 4
Children: Jacob, Charles, Jennie and Pearl (born in Ukraine/Russia). My
grandfather Charles and his siblings came to the U.S., but I'm not sure
about Sam and Nellie. If you know anything about this family please
contact me.
Also I have set up a surname board for the ABOLOFSKY surname:
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb523679

Thanks for any help you can provide!

Barbara Ferber-McCarthy
Lawrenceville, Georgia
ga4mccarthys@mindspring.com

My message on the May 19, 1999 Galicia Discussion Group
Re: Krzeszow and Rzeszow was a private message and
not intended for the Group. A glitch sent it as a CC to the Galicia
Discussion Group. I apologize for the confusion that it might have
caused.

Marian Rubin
merubin@aol.com


MODERATOR NOTE: The message to which you refer was quite well written
and offered some very helpful information for others researching the
towns mentioned. It was posted for these reasons.

My message on the May 19, 1999 Galicia Discussion Group
Re: Krzeszow and Rzeszow was a private message and
not intended for the Group. A glitch sent it as a CC to the Galicia
Discussion Group. I apologize for the confusion that it might have
caused.

Marian Rubin
merubin@aol.com


MODERATOR NOTE: The message to which you refer was quite well written
and offered some very helpful information for others researching the
towns mentioned. It was posted for these reasons.