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Avraham Zvi Hersch BEUTEL, Hosid from Galicia #galicia

Marilyn Sheridan <marilyns@...>
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

Because of the fascinating current discussion about Galicianer and the local
Hassidim, I am encouraged to ask my very first genealogy question. I do not
speak languages other than English, rather rusty French, and a tiny bit of
German.

I am looking for information about the origin of my great-grandfather (the
grandfather of my father), Avraham Zvi Hersch BEUTEL.

My father, Bernhard Benjamin SIGAL (he changed it to Bernard SHERIDAN - but
that's another story!) was so devastated by what happened during WWII that
he rarely talked about his large extended family, most of whom had
disappeared. But after he retired, he moved back to Vienna, the city of his
birth, to continue trying to trace lost family during the last 20-odd years
of his life.

My father died in Vienna (June 29, 1999, age 86) and my eldest brother
arranged for his burial in the Jewish section of Vienna's vast Central
Cemetery. In the process of making arrangements, my brother discovered the
grave of our great-grandfather! The head of the Chevra Kadisha even
remembered our father visiting this grave.

Here is what I remember my father saying about his grandfather, Hersch
BEUTEL. He came >from the town of Podhajce (but may have been born in
Vienna). He was married twice, and had children by both wives. Both wives
predeceased him by many years, dead >from malnutrition, disease, and / or in
childbirth. He had several daughters; I do not know about sons. One
daughter, my father's mother, was Yocheved (Josephine) Bauchmann (born
October 1, 1881); the surname was probably the surname of her mother.
Another daughter was Liba, who may have been the youngest child of Hersch
BEUTEL, and a sister or half-sister of Yocheved. My father knew her as
Tante Lina.

My father told me that Hersch BEUTEL was a Hosid. A saddler by trade in
Podhajce, he custom-made saddles for local "Polish nobility". He also was a
traveling preacher, going as far north as the Lemberg (Lviv) area. The
family was often desperately poor.

Hersch BEUTEL's daughter Yocheved met Israel SIGAL haLevi (born February 13,
1887) (an orphan, due to pogrom and disease) who lived in Kozova, a town
near Podhajce (both towns in Galicia, or "old Poland"). These two got
married, and they moved to Vienna, not necessarily in that order. My father
thought they were married (again? officially?) in Vienna's Central Synagogue
"around the turn of the century."

At that time, or possibly a little later, Hersch BEUTEL, as well as his
daughter Liba, moved to Vienna. Liba married Berl LEMLER; the LEMLER family
lived a few blocks away >from the SIGAL family, in Vienna's Ottakring
district. Hersch BEUTEL lived for about half the year with each daughter's
family. Of course he taught Hebrew to his little grandson Bernhard; and my
father said he learned the entire Chumash by heart.

Wherever Hersch BEUTEL lived, a line of people would form each day after
dawn in front of the house. Each person in turn would enter and ask him for
advice or prayers. Some tried to pay him; he always told them to give their
coin to the first poor person they met after leaving him. He was known -
and loved - as Reb Herschl, as Herschele Potoker, and apparently also as
Potok Zloty, which I think means "golden stream" in Polish. What is the
significance of calling him by these names?

When Hersch BEUTEL became old, it seems he either moved to an old age home
in Vienna, or else spent time there. He died at the home on May 7, 1936.
He is buried in a section of the Central Cemetery that is reserved for holy
men. The translation of the Hebrew inscription on his gravestone is:

Here lie the remains of a man of integrity and righteousness, a Hosid,
Who walked in the path of the Torah and reverence, all his life.
Morning and evening, he would pray within the walls of the house of study.
Avraham Zvi, the son of Mordechai Beutel.
He went to the next world on the 15th of Iyyar 696.

The gravestone (made of a concrete-like composite) was crumbling and the
inscription was almost illegible, so my brother had a marble stone slab made
and inscribed, and it was bolted to the front of the old gravestone. And my
father is buried just on the other side of a little footpath, as close as
possible to the grave of his beloved grandfather.

QUESTIONS:

Where would I start, to locate the birth certificate of Hersch BEUTEL, and
to find information about his parents and other relatives?

How can I learn more about his wives and his children?

How can I find out what branch of Hassidism - and which Hosid - he followed?

Marilyn Sheridan (Miriam Sigal)
Tucson, Arizona, USA
marilyns@dakotacom.net

PS I was brought up Roman Catholic, but returned to my Jewish heritage
within the last five years. I am working on a book about my family. And I
am thrilled to be tracing ancestors and finding out this aspect of "who" I
really am.

To the MODERATOR - Should I also send this e-mail to "boh-mor" SIG and / or to the
Discussion Group?
[MODERATOR NOTE - Marilyn, yes to both. "Cast your bread upon the waters" and
good luck with your search!]


Nowy Sacz Cemetery #galicia

Loripaul2@...
 

If you are travelling to Nowy Sacz to visit the cemetery, could you let me
know?
Paul Freudman
Searching HOLLANDER in Nowy Sacz


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Avraham Zvi Hersch BEUTEL, Hosid from Galicia #galicia

Marilyn Sheridan <marilyns@...>
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

Because of the fascinating current discussion about Galicianer and the local
Hassidim, I am encouraged to ask my very first genealogy question. I do not
speak languages other than English, rather rusty French, and a tiny bit of
German.

I am looking for information about the origin of my great-grandfather (the
grandfather of my father), Avraham Zvi Hersch BEUTEL.

My father, Bernhard Benjamin SIGAL (he changed it to Bernard SHERIDAN - but
that's another story!) was so devastated by what happened during WWII that
he rarely talked about his large extended family, most of whom had
disappeared. But after he retired, he moved back to Vienna, the city of his
birth, to continue trying to trace lost family during the last 20-odd years
of his life.

My father died in Vienna (June 29, 1999, age 86) and my eldest brother
arranged for his burial in the Jewish section of Vienna's vast Central
Cemetery. In the process of making arrangements, my brother discovered the
grave of our great-grandfather! The head of the Chevra Kadisha even
remembered our father visiting this grave.

Here is what I remember my father saying about his grandfather, Hersch
BEUTEL. He came >from the town of Podhajce (but may have been born in
Vienna). He was married twice, and had children by both wives. Both wives
predeceased him by many years, dead >from malnutrition, disease, and / or in
childbirth. He had several daughters; I do not know about sons. One
daughter, my father's mother, was Yocheved (Josephine) Bauchmann (born
October 1, 1881); the surname was probably the surname of her mother.
Another daughter was Liba, who may have been the youngest child of Hersch
BEUTEL, and a sister or half-sister of Yocheved. My father knew her as
Tante Lina.

My father told me that Hersch BEUTEL was a Hosid. A saddler by trade in
Podhajce, he custom-made saddles for local "Polish nobility". He also was a
traveling preacher, going as far north as the Lemberg (Lviv) area. The
family was often desperately poor.

Hersch BEUTEL's daughter Yocheved met Israel SIGAL haLevi (born February 13,
1887) (an orphan, due to pogrom and disease) who lived in Kozova, a town
near Podhajce (both towns in Galicia, or "old Poland"). These two got
married, and they moved to Vienna, not necessarily in that order. My father
thought they were married (again? officially?) in Vienna's Central Synagogue
"around the turn of the century."

At that time, or possibly a little later, Hersch BEUTEL, as well as his
daughter Liba, moved to Vienna. Liba married Berl LEMLER; the LEMLER family
lived a few blocks away >from the SIGAL family, in Vienna's Ottakring
district. Hersch BEUTEL lived for about half the year with each daughter's
family. Of course he taught Hebrew to his little grandson Bernhard; and my
father said he learned the entire Chumash by heart.

Wherever Hersch BEUTEL lived, a line of people would form each day after
dawn in front of the house. Each person in turn would enter and ask him for
advice or prayers. Some tried to pay him; he always told them to give their
coin to the first poor person they met after leaving him. He was known -
and loved - as Reb Herschl, as Herschele Potoker, and apparently also as
Potok Zloty, which I think means "golden stream" in Polish. What is the
significance of calling him by these names?

When Hersch BEUTEL became old, it seems he either moved to an old age home
in Vienna, or else spent time there. He died at the home on May 7, 1936.
He is buried in a section of the Central Cemetery that is reserved for holy
men. The translation of the Hebrew inscription on his gravestone is:

Here lie the remains of a man of integrity and righteousness, a Hosid,
Who walked in the path of the Torah and reverence, all his life.
Morning and evening, he would pray within the walls of the house of study.
Avraham Zvi, the son of Mordechai Beutel.
He went to the next world on the 15th of Iyyar 696.

The gravestone (made of a concrete-like composite) was crumbling and the
inscription was almost illegible, so my brother had a marble stone slab made
and inscribed, and it was bolted to the front of the old gravestone. And my
father is buried just on the other side of a little footpath, as close as
possible to the grave of his beloved grandfather.

QUESTIONS:

Where would I start, to locate the birth certificate of Hersch BEUTEL, and
to find information about his parents and other relatives?

How can I learn more about his wives and his children?

How can I find out what branch of Hassidism - and which Hosid - he followed?

Marilyn Sheridan (Miriam Sigal)
Tucson, Arizona, USA
marilyns@dakotacom.net

PS I was brought up Roman Catholic, but returned to my Jewish heritage
within the last five years. I am working on a book about my family. And I
am thrilled to be tracing ancestors and finding out this aspect of "who" I
really am.

To the MODERATOR - Should I also send this e-mail to "boh-mor" SIG and / or to the
Discussion Group?
[MODERATOR NOTE - Marilyn, yes to both. "Cast your bread upon the waters" and
good luck with your search!]


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Nowy Sacz Cemetery #galicia

Loripaul2@...
 

If you are travelling to Nowy Sacz to visit the cemetery, could you let me
know?
Paul Freudman
Searching HOLLANDER in Nowy Sacz


Hebrew calendar convertor #general

Peter Spiro <avnesho@...>
 

I have come across a handy little calculator that lets you convert either
from Hebrew to civil calendar dates or vice versa.
Go to http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/index.html and click on the link at
the bottom of the page.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew calendar convertor #general

Peter Spiro <avnesho@...>
 

I have come across a handy little calculator that lets you convert either
from Hebrew to civil calendar dates or vice versa.
Go to http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/index.html and click on the link at
the bottom of the page.


Re: Chassidic Rabbis #galicia

Carol Cohen <cgandhc@...>
 

I must tell you that the discussion of the Nusach has helped me in my search
for my grandfather's origins. My grandmother always referred to him as the
Rumanishche. He listed his origins as Kozova, but there is no trace of his
family in that region. However, now that I have discvoered that his Nusach
is Chassidic, and that his GGgrandfather was a Rabbi, I have more to go on.
I never would have known to ask about the Nusach if it weren't for this
dialogue. Thank You. Carol Cohen

Carol Cohen
cococo@ont.com
Dallas, TX USA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Chassidic Rabbis #galicia

Carol Cohen <cgandhc@...>
 

I must tell you that the discussion of the Nusach has helped me in my search
for my grandfather's origins. My grandmother always referred to him as the
Rumanishche. He listed his origins as Kozova, but there is no trace of his
family in that region. However, now that I have discvoered that his Nusach
is Chassidic, and that his GGgrandfather was a Rabbi, I have more to go on.
I never would have known to ask about the Nusach if it weren't for this
dialogue. Thank You. Carol Cohen

Carol Cohen
cococo@ont.com
Dallas, TX USA


Introductory books on Hasidism #galicia

Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
 

In contribution to the discussion of Hasidism
in Galicia, the following site has a list of
good introductory books on Hasidism:

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~pauldana/shtetlbookstore.htm

Paul W. Ginsburg
Bethesda, MD


Re: Origin of the name Gussie for a woman #general

Reeva Kimble <rKimble@...>
 

My grandmother was called Gussie.
Her name on birth records >from Lomza, Poland was Guta.


Reeva Jacobson Kimble

Searching:
LAVSKI, LAWSKI/Lomza & Bialystok,Poland/Israel,US; GORZALCZANY/Czyzewo,
Poland; NAIMAN, NAJMAN, SURALSKI, /Wasosz & Lomza, Poland/Israel,US;
CIECHANOWICZ, TZECHANOVITZ, ROZENBERG/Goworowo, Sniadowo & Lomza,
Poland/US,Israel; PIATNICKI, GRUDZIEN,GRUDZIENSKI/Lomza; ZOLOTOROFE,
SAMBURSKY, LIFSHITZ, SUPANITZKE, YAROWSKY/Berezovka, Priluki, Ukraine/NY,
Israel; JACOBSON, BECKER, GARBER, TOUBES, CHAPMAN/Mir,Belarus/Iowa, NY, Israel


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Introductory books on Hasidism #galicia

Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
 

In contribution to the discussion of Hasidism
in Galicia, the following site has a list of
good introductory books on Hasidism:

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~pauldana/shtetlbookstore.htm

Paul W. Ginsburg
Bethesda, MD


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Origin of the name Gussie for a woman #general

Reeva Kimble <rKimble@...>
 

My grandmother was called Gussie.
Her name on birth records >from Lomza, Poland was Guta.


Reeva Jacobson Kimble

Searching:
LAVSKI, LAWSKI/Lomza & Bialystok,Poland/Israel,US; GORZALCZANY/Czyzewo,
Poland; NAIMAN, NAJMAN, SURALSKI, /Wasosz & Lomza, Poland/Israel,US;
CIECHANOWICZ, TZECHANOVITZ, ROZENBERG/Goworowo, Sniadowo & Lomza,
Poland/US,Israel; PIATNICKI, GRUDZIEN,GRUDZIENSKI/Lomza; ZOLOTOROFE,
SAMBURSKY, LIFSHITZ, SUPANITZKE, YAROWSKY/Berezovka, Priluki, Ukraine/NY,
Israel; JACOBSON, BECKER, GARBER, TOUBES, CHAPMAN/Mir,Belarus/Iowa, NY, Israel


Typo's in Last Posting #galicia

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

Dear Genners:

My most recent posting was very hastily written and was not "spell
checked" - please accept my apologies for the typing errors!

Avrumy Heschel


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Typo's in Last Posting #galicia

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

Dear Genners:

My most recent posting was very hastily written and was not "spell
checked" - please accept my apologies for the typing errors!

Avrumy Heschel


letter to Polish State Archives #general

Lilli Sprintz <spri0037@...>
 

Hi All!

I am just finishing my rough draft of a letter I am sending to the Jewish
Polish Archives. I followed all the suggestions made in the JRI-Poland.
But a bit worried that I didn't do it right.

Would any of you be willing to look at my letter, let me know if anything
needs changing?

Please email me privately at:

email: spri0037@tc.umn.edu

Thanks.

Lilli Sprintz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen letter to Polish State Archives #general

Lilli Sprintz <spri0037@...>
 

Hi All!

I am just finishing my rough draft of a letter I am sending to the Jewish
Polish Archives. I followed all the suggestions made in the JRI-Poland.
But a bit worried that I didn't do it right.

Would any of you be willing to look at my letter, let me know if anything
needs changing?

Please email me privately at:

email: spri0037@tc.umn.edu

Thanks.

Lilli Sprintz


Hebrew Translation (Ketuba) Requested VM 430 #general

EEllman@...
 

VM 430 is my grandparents' ketuba. I would be most grateful if someone
could translate the handwritten portions of the document. Thank you.

Eric J. Ellman
N. Bethesda, MD

Searching: ELLMAN (Minkovtsy, Ukraine), KOTZEN (Riga, Latvia), KREIGER
(Keidani, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia), ROSENBERG (Lomza, Poland; or Lask,
Poland; or Tarnograd, Poland), FAGIN (Dvinsk, Latvia), GREENBERG
(Rzeszow)

MODERATOR NOTE: View at http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew Translation (Ketuba) Requested VM 430 #general

EEllman@...
 

VM 430 is my grandparents' ketuba. I would be most grateful if someone
could translate the handwritten portions of the document. Thank you.

Eric J. Ellman
N. Bethesda, MD

Searching: ELLMAN (Minkovtsy, Ukraine), KOTZEN (Riga, Latvia), KREIGER
(Keidani, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia), ROSENBERG (Lomza, Poland; or Lask,
Poland; or Tarnograd, Poland), FAGIN (Dvinsk, Latvia), GREENBERG
(Rzeszow)

MODERATOR NOTE: View at http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html


Shanghai Refugee community #general

Rakoff125
 

Talk about coincidence. Right after reading yesterday's postings on the
Shanghai community I came across a book in our Temple library called
*Japanese Nazis & Jews* The Jewish Refugee community of Shanghai 1938 to
1945, by David Kranzler, Yeshiva University Press, 1976. It is a
substantial book with many names and pictures.
One of the questions arose regarding where the community had come from.
There was a section in Shanghai called little Vienna, so I guess that
answers the question about whether Jews came >from there.

I have been trying to learn about Ernst ASCHNER, of Berlin, who, according
to this book, wwas part of a group of German refuggees who maintained an
underground in Shanghai during the war. [page 531].

Thanks to Peter Lande, at the USHMM I have documents showing an agreement
he was involved in with Mrs. Ella Sara PICK, nee FEIBELSOHN of Berlin to
run a currency consultancy [whatever that was]whereby she was managing
things for him when he relocated to Shanghai. Among the papers, a few of
which are covered with Nazi insignia in 1942, is the accusation of
embezzelment by which the Nazis justified taking over the business.

Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA
ASCHNER-Assakurte, Katlo, Beuthen/Bytom, Danzig, Chorzow [Konigshutte],
Berko, Hradiste, Bratislava, Budapest ,Nyitra, Kosice, Spisska Nova Ves,
Wien; BRETTSCHNEIDER, Galicia; BUCHWALD- Wien,Budapest, Malacky
GELBERG/LIPSHITZ-Galati; GOLDMAN(N), LANGER -Kosice, Spisska Nova
Ves,Bolyar; Miskolc, Presov; GORDON-Molatai, Vilna; LOW'Y-Hradiste,Spisska
[edited to 6 lines allowed - Mod.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shanghai Refugee community #general

Rakoff125
 

Talk about coincidence. Right after reading yesterday's postings on the
Shanghai community I came across a book in our Temple library called
*Japanese Nazis & Jews* The Jewish Refugee community of Shanghai 1938 to
1945, by David Kranzler, Yeshiva University Press, 1976. It is a
substantial book with many names and pictures.
One of the questions arose regarding where the community had come from.
There was a section in Shanghai called little Vienna, so I guess that
answers the question about whether Jews came >from there.

I have been trying to learn about Ernst ASCHNER, of Berlin, who, according
to this book, wwas part of a group of German refuggees who maintained an
underground in Shanghai during the war. [page 531].

Thanks to Peter Lande, at the USHMM I have documents showing an agreement
he was involved in with Mrs. Ella Sara PICK, nee FEIBELSOHN of Berlin to
run a currency consultancy [whatever that was]whereby she was managing
things for him when he relocated to Shanghai. Among the papers, a few of
which are covered with Nazi insignia in 1942, is the accusation of
embezzelment by which the Nazis justified taking over the business.

Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA
ASCHNER-Assakurte, Katlo, Beuthen/Bytom, Danzig, Chorzow [Konigshutte],
Berko, Hradiste, Bratislava, Budapest ,Nyitra, Kosice, Spisska Nova Ves,
Wien; BRETTSCHNEIDER, Galicia; BUCHWALD- Wien,Budapest, Malacky
GELBERG/LIPSHITZ-Galati; GOLDMAN(N), LANGER -Kosice, Spisska Nova
Ves,Bolyar; Miskolc, Presov; GORDON-Molatai, Vilna; LOW'Y-Hradiste,Spisska
[edited to 6 lines allowed - Mod.]