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Re: Barak family, and advice sought about Bessarabia resources #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Dear Marie,

Thank you for your letter.

You are asking about this reference:
Archive CSA 1245/1/945
Microfilm/item # 2446438/2
Image 33
record 26

--------------------
This is a reference to the Moldova Archive and Microfilm #2446438 is done by
FHL. Here is the url for the catalogue:
https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?displa
y=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=1886769&disp=Metrical+books.

These are Birth Records >from the town of Novoselitsa (Volume 1245-1/945
Births 1862-1920). CSA - Chisinau State Archive.
You can find more information about these Bessarabia Vital records project
at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Romania/KishinevVRs.htm.
Bob Wascou, Project Coordinator.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Coordinator
Researching KOGAN, SPIVAK, KHAYMOVICH, SRULEVICH, LEVIT in Kaushany,
Bendery, Tarutino, Akkerman, Kiliya - all in Bessarabia, KHAIMOVICH in
Galatz, Romania


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia RE: Barak family, and advice sought about Bessarabia resources #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Dear Marie,

Thank you for your letter.

You are asking about this reference:
Archive CSA 1245/1/945
Microfilm/item # 2446438/2
Image 33
record 26

--------------------
This is a reference to the Moldova Archive and Microfilm #2446438 is done by
FHL. Here is the url for the catalogue:
https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?displa
y=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=1886769&disp=Metrical+books.

These are Birth Records >from the town of Novoselitsa (Volume 1245-1/945
Births 1862-1920). CSA - Chisinau State Archive.
You can find more information about these Bessarabia Vital records project
at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Romania/KishinevVRs.htm.
Bob Wascou, Project Coordinator.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Coordinator
Researching KOGAN, SPIVAK, KHAYMOVICH, SRULEVICH, LEVIT in Kaushany,
Bendery, Tarutino, Akkerman, Kiliya - all in Bessarabia, KHAIMOVICH in
Galatz, Romania


Re: no match with my sister #dna

Arnold Chamove <ArnoldChamove@...>
 

In response to Debbie's e-mail, a bit off the track, when I lived in
Scotland, I learned that it is not uncommon for a child to be raised by
their grandmother, and not learn that this grandmother is not her mother
until well into adulthood. They had the grandmother's husband's surname.
Just a relevant Believe it or Not.
Arnold Chamove
On a farm just outside Palmerston North, New Zealand

"For the time period in Europe that we are interested in,
children often took their mothers surname. In my grandmothers family
the mothers surname was used until my g-grandparents got married
through the city when my grandmother was 25 years old.
Debbie Estis"


DNA Research #DNA Re: no match with my sister #dna

Arnold Chamove <ArnoldChamove@...>
 

In response to Debbie's e-mail, a bit off the track, when I lived in
Scotland, I learned that it is not uncommon for a child to be raised by
their grandmother, and not learn that this grandmother is not her mother
until well into adulthood. They had the grandmother's husband's surname.
Just a relevant Believe it or Not.
Arnold Chamove
On a farm just outside Palmerston North, New Zealand

"For the time period in Europe that we are interested in,
children often took their mothers surname. In my grandmothers family
the mothers surname was used until my g-grandparents got married
through the city when my grandmother was 25 years old.
Debbie Estis"


Barak family, and advice sought about Bessarabia resources #bessarabia

mariezing@...
 

Hello all,

This is my first post to the Bessarabia Discussion Group. I am
trying to identify the source of the following citation - I do not
recall where I found it. Any suggestions for where this came from?

Archive CSA 1245/1/945
Microfilm/item # 2446438/2
Image 33
record 26

I would also appreciate any suggestions to find additional information
or clarification of some of the questions in my family history below.

My link to Bessarabia is my paternal grand-father *Nachmann BARAK*
(later called Nathan, then Noël), born in *Novoselitsa* Bessarabia,
march 16, 1890,son of *Moishe Barak and Feiga WEISBERG*, he died 1974
in Nizza, France. His parents had 8 children.

I have information about his sister Rachel(Ruhel) Barak-Ghitler, who
emigrated to New York as well as her daughter Fanny Bordaïnick and
descendants.

Nachman's father, Moishe Barak, was a grain merchant, sent grain to
Poland,Germany etc, was a member of the Austrian stock market.

Nachman lost his parents when he was quite young, I think, and lived
with a sister in Novoselitsa. Once a year he went to Odessa to pass
exams hoping to register in a school, which was almost impossible
because of the numerous clausus for Jews, who learned extern (which
means at home!). In the year he failed the exam, maybe about 1908, he
emigrated to France. Near Paris (maybe in Garches?) lived his nephews:
Esther, Simon and Victor. I neither know their surnames nor what
happened to them during the war. He supposedly had another niece in
Paris: Paulette, [her brother, a doctor,lived in Israel (died before
79) ? whose wife Ida was a doctor too]. But I never knew Paulette?s
surname.

Nachman joined the French army in august 1914. November 1915 he
acquired the French nationality when he became a military
medal because of his courage and special language competence (he could
speak many languages). He left the army in Constantinople march 1919.
He worked in Paris as a furrier. September 30, 1920 he married
Jeannette (Johanette, called Jeanne) Glücksmann, daughter of Felix (a
furrier too) and Laura Glücksmann. Nachmann and Jeanne hat 2 children:
Francine (born 1924 dec. she died febr. 2012) and Michel (my father,
born 1927, dec. 2008). Oct.1938 Nachmann and Jeanne divorced, the
children stayed with the father.

Summer 39, Nachmann spends the summer holiday in La Baule. Sept. 3,
France declares the war to Germany, people fear that Paris will be
bombed. Fully aware of the danger unlike many french jews, maybe
because of his experience of pogroms in Bessarabia, Nachmann does not
go back to his flat and work in Paris, works as a taxi-driver for the
English army based in La Baule. May-June 1940 the French army is
defeated, the English Air Force bombs La Baule. The german army
invades France, end of 40 Nachmann flies >from the occupied zone, to
Marseilles, where he tries to emigrate to America. Nov.42 the germans
occupy the south zone. Nachman flees to Grenoble, then to a village
near Grasse. Jews are not allowed to work, but he manages to survive.
I don't think he and the children ever wore the yellow star.Sometime
in 42 or 43, Michel is hidden one year in a catholic
institution,college Fénelon, in Grasse (what happens to Francine?).
Summer 44, the three join other jewish refugees in Bagnères de
Bigorre, a village in the Pyreneans, near the Spanish frontier. The
german army coming dangerously near, july 44 Nachmann flees with the
children over the mountain by night,into Spain, to the village of
Elizondo. The Spanish guardia civil put them in jail, in Pamplona,
then San Sebastian, then Nachmann and Michel are sent to a men camp
near San Sebastian, Francine is sent alone to Miranda del Ebro, the
biggest spanish camp. After maybe a month, Nachmann and Michel are
sent by train (they meet Francine on the train) to Algésiras then to
Gibraltar and by ship to Casablanca, Morocco (still a French colony).
Again they have to stay in a camp in Médiouna, nazis had mixed under
the refugees. They live 1 year in Morocco. End of war, they are sent
back to France.

Years ago I corresponded with a niece of my grand-father (her mother
was a sister of Nachman). Mara Drinberg (born about 1901) had joined
about 1948 her 2 brothers living in Santiago de Chile. Her first
husband, named Trachtenberg, had died in a train (they had fled to
Russia, where they lived 4 years) full of refugees, bombed by the
germans. Their son Nioma (born about 1930) was 9 years old. Their
daughter Lily emigrated directly and alone to Israel, why and how, I
don?t know. Nioma married Lucy, they were quite well off, had some
kind of business, 3 sons, still living in Chile. Nioma died 1974, 44
years old, in a gas explosion. Lily died of a cancer (42 years old) in
Israel, she had 2 children, a son, and a daughter: Dalia Beker, living
in Israel.

A researcher told me that the Trachtenberg family came >from Khotin.

1979 Mara's sister, Polia, still lived in Romania with her
grand-daughter. Her husband, a doctor, died 1939. Her daughter or
granddaughter is/was Polia (Pola) Nemirovsky, I can?t find any
information about her.

Nachman had a brother in Israel, I don?t know where, he never talked
about the past.

It was Mara who told me that Nachmann had another niece in NY:
Feinege (Fanny) Bordainick. Nachmann's sister, Rachel (Ruhel), born
?Barac?, wife of Srul (Israel) Ghitler. Their daughter Feiga (US
Fanny, born in Novoselitsa 1912 or 1915, died 1992 in Nyack Hospital),
married Mordho-Max Burdeinic (US Bordainick, owner of the bus company
of Khotin, may 20,1935 in Khotin (which then belonged to Romania) and
emigrated 1938 or 39 to NY (Bronx). Fanny had 2 sons: Israel and
Solomon,who live in NY. Fanny learned to be a midwife in Cernowitz,
where she had met Max.

Maybe Rachel or Fanny or both were deported to Transnitria and maybe
Bergen-Belsen. Fanny's sons habe a testimony video of their mother and
one of them promised to send me a copy but never did. Some members of
the family who stayed in Khotin were deported to Siberia by the
Russians.

In 2012 at last, after 30 years of research, I did found the
descendants of Riva Barak - wife of Fabel Wasserman -, a sister of my
grandfather Nachman Barak, in Chile, Peru, and Israel. I am planning
to visit in Jerusalem my cousin Dalia Becker, who is already like a
sister for me!

I'm now trying to find the birth act of my grand-father, I can't
remember where I found the reference:

Archive CSA 1245/1/945
Microfilm/item # 2446438/2
Image 33
record 26

With this record I would endly get information about my
great-grandparents Moishe Barak and Feiga Weissberg.

The challenge in this long research was first the silence: neither my
Father nor my grandfather spoke about the past. I was already about 35
years old when I read the manuscript of a book my father had written:
in a short chapter about what happened to his father when he came to
France and the long flight of father, daughter and son during the
war... When I started my research, my grandfather had died and I could
not ask questions any more. My father was a historian, but he was'nt
able to research his own history,too painful...

Thanks,

Marie Barak
Berlin, Germany


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Barak family, and advice sought about Bessarabia resources #bessarabia

mariezing@...
 

Hello all,

This is my first post to the Bessarabia Discussion Group. I am
trying to identify the source of the following citation - I do not
recall where I found it. Any suggestions for where this came from?

Archive CSA 1245/1/945
Microfilm/item # 2446438/2
Image 33
record 26

I would also appreciate any suggestions to find additional information
or clarification of some of the questions in my family history below.

My link to Bessarabia is my paternal grand-father *Nachmann BARAK*
(later called Nathan, then Noël), born in *Novoselitsa* Bessarabia,
march 16, 1890,son of *Moishe Barak and Feiga WEISBERG*, he died 1974
in Nizza, France. His parents had 8 children.

I have information about his sister Rachel(Ruhel) Barak-Ghitler, who
emigrated to New York as well as her daughter Fanny Bordaïnick and
descendants.

Nachman's father, Moishe Barak, was a grain merchant, sent grain to
Poland,Germany etc, was a member of the Austrian stock market.

Nachman lost his parents when he was quite young, I think, and lived
with a sister in Novoselitsa. Once a year he went to Odessa to pass
exams hoping to register in a school, which was almost impossible
because of the numerous clausus for Jews, who learned extern (which
means at home!). In the year he failed the exam, maybe about 1908, he
emigrated to France. Near Paris (maybe in Garches?) lived his nephews:
Esther, Simon and Victor. I neither know their surnames nor what
happened to them during the war. He supposedly had another niece in
Paris: Paulette, [her brother, a doctor,lived in Israel (died before
79) ? whose wife Ida was a doctor too]. But I never knew Paulette?s
surname.

Nachman joined the French army in august 1914. November 1915 he
acquired the French nationality when he became a military
medal because of his courage and special language competence (he could
speak many languages). He left the army in Constantinople march 1919.
He worked in Paris as a furrier. September 30, 1920 he married
Jeannette (Johanette, called Jeanne) Glücksmann, daughter of Felix (a
furrier too) and Laura Glücksmann. Nachmann and Jeanne hat 2 children:
Francine (born 1924 dec. she died febr. 2012) and Michel (my father,
born 1927, dec. 2008). Oct.1938 Nachmann and Jeanne divorced, the
children stayed with the father.

Summer 39, Nachmann spends the summer holiday in La Baule. Sept. 3,
France declares the war to Germany, people fear that Paris will be
bombed. Fully aware of the danger unlike many french jews, maybe
because of his experience of pogroms in Bessarabia, Nachmann does not
go back to his flat and work in Paris, works as a taxi-driver for the
English army based in La Baule. May-June 1940 the French army is
defeated, the English Air Force bombs La Baule. The german army
invades France, end of 40 Nachmann flies >from the occupied zone, to
Marseilles, where he tries to emigrate to America. Nov.42 the germans
occupy the south zone. Nachman flees to Grenoble, then to a village
near Grasse. Jews are not allowed to work, but he manages to survive.
I don't think he and the children ever wore the yellow star.Sometime
in 42 or 43, Michel is hidden one year in a catholic
institution,college Fénelon, in Grasse (what happens to Francine?).
Summer 44, the three join other jewish refugees in Bagnères de
Bigorre, a village in the Pyreneans, near the Spanish frontier. The
german army coming dangerously near, july 44 Nachmann flees with the
children over the mountain by night,into Spain, to the village of
Elizondo. The Spanish guardia civil put them in jail, in Pamplona,
then San Sebastian, then Nachmann and Michel are sent to a men camp
near San Sebastian, Francine is sent alone to Miranda del Ebro, the
biggest spanish camp. After maybe a month, Nachmann and Michel are
sent by train (they meet Francine on the train) to Algésiras then to
Gibraltar and by ship to Casablanca, Morocco (still a French colony).
Again they have to stay in a camp in Médiouna, nazis had mixed under
the refugees. They live 1 year in Morocco. End of war, they are sent
back to France.

Years ago I corresponded with a niece of my grand-father (her mother
was a sister of Nachman). Mara Drinberg (born about 1901) had joined
about 1948 her 2 brothers living in Santiago de Chile. Her first
husband, named Trachtenberg, had died in a train (they had fled to
Russia, where they lived 4 years) full of refugees, bombed by the
germans. Their son Nioma (born about 1930) was 9 years old. Their
daughter Lily emigrated directly and alone to Israel, why and how, I
don?t know. Nioma married Lucy, they were quite well off, had some
kind of business, 3 sons, still living in Chile. Nioma died 1974, 44
years old, in a gas explosion. Lily died of a cancer (42 years old) in
Israel, she had 2 children, a son, and a daughter: Dalia Beker, living
in Israel.

A researcher told me that the Trachtenberg family came >from Khotin.

1979 Mara's sister, Polia, still lived in Romania with her
grand-daughter. Her husband, a doctor, died 1939. Her daughter or
granddaughter is/was Polia (Pola) Nemirovsky, I can?t find any
information about her.

Nachman had a brother in Israel, I don?t know where, he never talked
about the past.

It was Mara who told me that Nachmann had another niece in NY:
Feinege (Fanny) Bordainick. Nachmann's sister, Rachel (Ruhel), born
?Barac?, wife of Srul (Israel) Ghitler. Their daughter Feiga (US
Fanny, born in Novoselitsa 1912 or 1915, died 1992 in Nyack Hospital),
married Mordho-Max Burdeinic (US Bordainick, owner of the bus company
of Khotin, may 20,1935 in Khotin (which then belonged to Romania) and
emigrated 1938 or 39 to NY (Bronx). Fanny had 2 sons: Israel and
Solomon,who live in NY. Fanny learned to be a midwife in Cernowitz,
where she had met Max.

Maybe Rachel or Fanny or both were deported to Transnitria and maybe
Bergen-Belsen. Fanny's sons habe a testimony video of their mother and
one of them promised to send me a copy but never did. Some members of
the family who stayed in Khotin were deported to Siberia by the
Russians.

In 2012 at last, after 30 years of research, I did found the
descendants of Riva Barak - wife of Fabel Wasserman -, a sister of my
grandfather Nachman Barak, in Chile, Peru, and Israel. I am planning
to visit in Jerusalem my cousin Dalia Becker, who is already like a
sister for me!

I'm now trying to find the birth act of my grand-father, I can't
remember where I found the reference:

Archive CSA 1245/1/945
Microfilm/item # 2446438/2
Image 33
record 26

With this record I would endly get information about my
great-grandparents Moishe Barak and Feiga Weissberg.

The challenge in this long research was first the silence: neither my
Father nor my grandfather spoke about the past. I was already about 35
years old when I read the manuscript of a book my father had written:
in a short chapter about what happened to his father when he came to
France and the long flight of father, daughter and son during the
war... When I started my research, my grandfather had died and I could
not ask questions any more. My father was a historian, but he was'nt
able to research his own history,too painful...

Thanks,

Marie Barak
Berlin, Germany


Pograms in iasi #romania

Tuchmans <tuchmans@...>
 

My mother ROSE (MOSHE in Iasi) MOSCOWITZ in NY was born in Iasi in 1899 and
came to to US in 1900. She said her parents told her of regular raids and
beatings and mayhem by University students who were organized for this purpose.
They lived near a church and when the Priest had word of these events in
advance he would gather up the Jews in the area and hide them in the church.
my mother's stories have always proved to be very accurate.

Helene Bodner Tuchman
Researching MOSHE MOSCOWITZ MENDELSON


Romania SIG #Romania Pograms in iasi #romania

Tuchmans <tuchmans@...>
 

My mother ROSE (MOSHE in Iasi) MOSCOWITZ in NY was born in Iasi in 1899 and
came to to US in 1900. She said her parents told her of regular raids and
beatings and mayhem by University students who were organized for this purpose.
They lived near a church and when the Priest had word of these events in
advance he would gather up the Jews in the area and hide them in the church.
my mother's stories have always proved to be very accurate.

Helene Bodner Tuchman
Researching MOSHE MOSCOWITZ MENDELSON


Re: The meaning of ZMW in an 1824 date inscription? #germany

Roger Lustig
 

It would seem to refer to the actual builder, the Zimmermeister. I've
found several other inscriptions with Z M and a name just after the
date, and others with Zimmermeister and a name.

For examples, check out the inscriptions listed at:

http://www.freienhagen-waldeck.de/fwinschr.html

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ research coordinator, GerSIG

Uri Rosenan, Yehud Israel, uri@... wrote:

An inscription on a wooden beam at the attic story in a house in Nordheim,
Hessen reads: "DIES HAUS HAT GEBAUT DER HERTZ ODENBERG IM JAHR 1824 Z M W"
(This house was built by Hertz ODENBERG in the year 1824 Z M W).
Any idea what Z M W stands for?


German SIG #Germany Re: The meaning of ZMW in an 1824 date inscription? #germany

Roger Lustig
 

It would seem to refer to the actual builder, the Zimmermeister. I've
found several other inscriptions with Z M and a name just after the
date, and others with Zimmermeister and a name.

For examples, check out the inscriptions listed at:

http://www.freienhagen-waldeck.de/fwinschr.html

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ research coordinator, GerSIG

Uri Rosenan, Yehud Israel, uri@... wrote:

An inscription on a wooden beam at the attic story in a house in Nordheim,
Hessen reads: "DIES HAUS HAT GEBAUT DER HERTZ ODENBERG IM JAHR 1824 Z M W"
(This house was built by Hertz ODENBERG in the year 1824 Z M W).
Any idea what Z M W stands for?


Re: Online access to Belgian Archives.. #france

Rosanne Leeson
 

In response to the helpful post of Thierry Samama, regarding the new
access to the Belgian National archives, I can tellyou that for the
moment it is only available in Dutch or French. Translations into
German or English are still in process.

At present there is little available, as the entire site is in process,
but eventually it should be a very valuable asset to be aware of.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
FrenchSIG


French SIG #France RE: Online access to Belgian Archives.. #france

Rosanne Leeson
 

In response to the helpful post of Thierry Samama, regarding the new
access to the Belgian National archives, I can tellyou that for the
moment it is only available in Dutch or French. Translations into
German or English are still in process.

At present there is little available, as the entire site is in process,
but eventually it should be a very valuable asset to be aware of.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
FrenchSIG


Re: Deaths in Belgium #france

thierry.samama@...
 

Hello Israel,

Perfect timing: the Belgian archives have just opened online at
http://search.arch.be/

Haven't tried it myself, and not sure it covers the period or records
you're looking for yet, but it seems worth a try.

Good luck,

Thierry Samama
Paris, France
---------------------------------
Does anyone know where to find information on deaths in Belgium?
I don't have a date, but it would be post-Holocaust. I am looking
for a date and burial information.

Israel Pickholtz


French SIG #France Re: Deaths in Belgium #france

thierry.samama@...
 

Hello Israel,

Perfect timing: the Belgian archives have just opened online at
http://search.arch.be/

Haven't tried it myself, and not sure it covers the period or records
you're looking for yet, but it seems worth a try.

Good luck,

Thierry Samama
Paris, France
---------------------------------
Does anyone know where to find information on deaths in Belgium?
I don't have a date, but it would be post-Holocaust. I am looking
for a date and burial information.

Israel Pickholtz


Viewmate - help with photo identification HAREL/PORTNOY/BEERZ/GAFINOVITCH #general

Avrohom Krauss
 

I've posted to Viewmate a photo of Yitchak HAREL, son of Sarah (nee PORTNOY) of
Rehovot, Israel. I am looking for anyone with information regarding these families:
HAREL/PORTNOY/BEERZ/GAFINOVITCH. GAFINOVITCH family was >from Kupiskis (Kupishok)
Lithuania. It is on ViewMate at the following address
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM25759
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.
Anschel Strauss


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate - help with photo identification HAREL/PORTNOY/BEERZ/GAFINOVITCH #general

Avrohom Krauss
 

I've posted to Viewmate a photo of Yitchak HAREL, son of Sarah (nee PORTNOY) of
Rehovot, Israel. I am looking for anyone with information regarding these families:
HAREL/PORTNOY/BEERZ/GAFINOVITCH. GAFINOVITCH family was >from Kupiskis (Kupishok)
Lithuania. It is on ViewMate at the following address
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM25759
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.
Anschel Strauss


Meaning of the name MOLTIANER #general

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

Following up on the recent discussion the name BOLKER, I figured I would try
resending this question again after a long period of time. My great-great
grandfather Abraham SPEIGEL (born in Tulchin in Vinnitsia) was originally surnamed
MOLTIANER. >from what I can tell >from the name and its variants, they seem to all be
centered around the modern Ukranian-Moldovian border. I know the suffix -er usually
refers to being >from somewhere, but I cannot identify any likely locations at all.
Does anyone have any ideas? I have the Hebrew spelling of the surname >from the
marriage record of Abraham's parents and 3 of his siblings, which I will certainly
send on if requested.

If anyone has any clues or ideas, it would be welcome. This name is just a complete
mystery to me, especially since it seems particularly rare. It might also explain
why my g-g grandparents with my g-grandfather and a couple others of their children
moved to Argentina for some unspecified period of time between 1909 and 1911
(Argentina is the other place outside of the US and England that the name
apparently appears once the families left Europe to go west).

Best Regards,

Michael Waas
Akko, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Meaning of the name MOLTIANER #general

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

Following up on the recent discussion the name BOLKER, I figured I would try
resending this question again after a long period of time. My great-great
grandfather Abraham SPEIGEL (born in Tulchin in Vinnitsia) was originally surnamed
MOLTIANER. >from what I can tell >from the name and its variants, they seem to all be
centered around the modern Ukranian-Moldovian border. I know the suffix -er usually
refers to being >from somewhere, but I cannot identify any likely locations at all.
Does anyone have any ideas? I have the Hebrew spelling of the surname >from the
marriage record of Abraham's parents and 3 of his siblings, which I will certainly
send on if requested.

If anyone has any clues or ideas, it would be welcome. This name is just a complete
mystery to me, especially since it seems particularly rare. It might also explain
why my g-g grandparents with my g-grandfather and a couple others of their children
moved to Argentina for some unspecified period of time between 1909 and 1911
(Argentina is the other place outside of the US and England that the name
apparently appears once the families left Europe to go west).

Best Regards,

Michael Waas
Akko, Israel


Birth, death records for Zhvanets #general

msalzbank
 

I love when I find some reference on JRI Poland for relatives in the late 1800's. I
am looking for records >from Europe for my family

I can't seem to find anything for the town of Zhvanets >from 1850-1885 for my family
members:
Father: Mordechai Yehuda FRIMMERMAN
Mother: Mollie ?

Son: Alexander (b. 1856)
Son: Yitzchak Hertz (b. 1865. d. 1888 Gorodok)
Son: Aaron (b. 1855)
Son: Baruch (b. ?)
Daughter: Elke (b. 1868)

Similarly...looking for birth, marriage, death records for the town Yedinitsy
(Edinet).... any suggestions?

Michael Salzbank


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Birth, death records for Zhvanets #general

msalzbank
 

I love when I find some reference on JRI Poland for relatives in the late 1800's. I
am looking for records >from Europe for my family

I can't seem to find anything for the town of Zhvanets >from 1850-1885 for my family
members:
Father: Mordechai Yehuda FRIMMERMAN
Mother: Mollie ?

Son: Alexander (b. 1856)
Son: Yitzchak Hertz (b. 1865. d. 1888 Gorodok)
Son: Aaron (b. 1855)
Son: Baruch (b. ?)
Daughter: Elke (b. 1868)

Similarly...looking for birth, marriage, death records for the town Yedinitsy
(Edinet).... any suggestions?

Michael Salzbank

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