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Re: Katz and Sephardim #galicia

Margaret Thornhill <clarinetstudio@...>
 

A related example of Sephardic ancestry amongst the Ashkenazim that supports
the current discussion (apologies for its being outside the region.):

My husband's mother, born in a small town in Hessen-Nassau in Germany, was
part of a small Jewish community that believed their original founders to be
of Spanish descent though they had no traditions that would indicate this.
Her maternal line, Katz, who changed their name to Marx around 1800, were
among this group. Within a few years, all seven Jewish families in the town
(including at least three unrelated lines) had adopted the surname Marx. The
families knew they were unrelated to each other, but weren't sure how and
the Sephardic origins of the community and the Katz name became obscure.


Margaret Thornhill (Greif)
Los Angeles
researching: Greif, Rosenbaum ZABOLOTOV; Fraenkel, Greif, Katz KOLOMYJA,
Cernovsky, Wien; Tennenhaus, SUCEAVA
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Katz and Sephardim #galicia

Margaret Thornhill <clarinetstudio@...>
 

A related example of Sephardic ancestry amongst the Ashkenazim that supports
the current discussion (apologies for its being outside the region.):

My husband's mother, born in a small town in Hessen-Nassau in Germany, was
part of a small Jewish community that believed their original founders to be
of Spanish descent though they had no traditions that would indicate this.
Her maternal line, Katz, who changed their name to Marx around 1800, were
among this group. Within a few years, all seven Jewish families in the town
(including at least three unrelated lines) had adopted the surname Marx. The
families knew they were unrelated to each other, but weren't sure how and
the Sephardic origins of the community and the Katz name became obscure.


Margaret Thornhill (Greif)
Los Angeles
researching: Greif, Rosenbaum ZABOLOTOV; Fraenkel, Greif, Katz KOLOMYJA,
Cernovsky, Wien; Tennenhaus, SUCEAVA
Diane Jacobs and Steve Morse's "One Steps"- Thank you #general

SelmaN@...
 

Even though Diane ends all of her updates on Steve Morse's site with . . .
If you have any problems with it or questions about it or even comments
about it, please write to Steve directly rather than asking me. Steve's address
is at the top of his website.<<
Even though I periodically look at Steve's webpage for the latest and
greatest additions, Diane's messages on JewishGen always steer us to what he has
recently done. Diane deserves a public thank you for the added bonus of her
announcements. *Thanks* Diane!!! And maybe even a contribution to JewishGen in
honor of Steve's work and Diane's announcements. Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@...
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus); SINGER, NEWMAN
(possibly Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Diane Jacobs and Steve Morse's "One Steps"- Thank you #general

SelmaN@...
 

Even though Diane ends all of her updates on Steve Morse's site with . . .
If you have any problems with it or questions about it or even comments
about it, please write to Steve directly rather than asking me. Steve's address
is at the top of his website.<<
Even though I periodically look at Steve's webpage for the latest and
greatest additions, Diane's messages on JewishGen always steer us to what he has
recently done. Diane deserves a public thank you for the added bonus of her
announcements. *Thanks* Diane!!! And maybe even a contribution to JewishGen in
honor of Steve's work and Diane's announcements. Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@...
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus); SINGER, NEWMAN
(possibly Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)
Re: Help To Interpret Names #galicia

Eleanor Platt QC <kbx62@...>
 

To me the names mean first the surname then the given name then the
patrimonic
Eleanor Lind
London

On 7/6/05 12:29 am, "Alan Weiser" <alanboy@...> wrote:
<snip>
do not understand what appears to be a Polish name mixed
in with other names. Middle names? Patrimony?

Golder, Hanna Abrahimowna
Goafner, Edmund Abrahimowicz
Grin, Shulima Haimowicz
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Help To Interpret Names #galicia

Eleanor Platt QC <kbx62@...>
 

To me the names mean first the surname then the given name then the
patrimonic
Eleanor Lind
London

On 7/6/05 12:29 am, "Alan Weiser" <alanboy@...> wrote:
<snip>
do not understand what appears to be a Polish name mixed
in with other names. Middle names? Patrimony?

Golder, Hanna Abrahimowna
Goafner, Edmund Abrahimowicz
Grin, Shulima Haimowicz
Fw: galicia digest: June 09, 2005 #galicia

Tzilla Kratter <kratter@...>
 

Dear All,

Alan Weiser asked about the following names found in records of Kolomea :

Golder, Hanna Abrahimowna
Goafner, Edmund Abrahimowicz
Grin, Shulima Haimowicz

Abrahimowna,Abrahimowicz and Haimowicz are patronyms (father's name) and
mean here daughter of Abraham, son of Abraham and son of Haim.

Szulima is simply Sholem/Shulem and the suffix "a" is a grammatical ending
which we don't need to go into, I think.

Tzilla Kratter, Jerusalem
Re: Pinkasim #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

I have not previously come across the term, Pinkasim. Using Miriam
Weiner's listing of records at the Ivano-Frankivsk archives pertaining
to Kolomea (Kolomyya), I have found a set of records labeled,
KAHAL/JEWISH COMMUNITY. The descriptions of the various cases within
these records sounds a lot like what is described in Pinkasim. I plan
to post descriptions of the various Kolomea civil records located at
the I-F archives in the near future. I would suggest that others
seeking such records search Miriam Weiner's web site for their
particular town.
Alan Weiser
alanboy@...
Silver Spring, MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suzan & Ron Wynne" <srwynne@...>
To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [galicia] Pinkasim


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Las Vegas 2005
25th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 10-15, 2005
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A few years ago, Jeffrey Cymbler and I tried to track down what had
become
of Pinkasim that had been in the possession of the late author and
scholar,
Isaac Lewin. He wrote about having some of the Pinkasim for Rzeszow,
Przeworsk, Kanczuga and Lancut and summarized their contents in a
chapter of
his book, The Jewish Community in Poland. Jeff sent me the chapter
and I got
in touch with Mr. Lewin's son, an attorney in Washington, DC to see
if he
knew what had become of his father's library and, particularly,
these
extremely valuable books. The trail petered out and I didn't pursue
it for
some reason.

I just "refound" the chapter while cleaning out my files and have
again
contacted the son to see if he can point me in the right direction.
I
suspect that the books are in Israel, perhaps at Bar Ilan University
so if
anyone has contacts there, please explore this issue.

What are Pinkasim? They are community books that maintained all
sorts of
records connected to the kehillot's role, so they could include
taxpayers,
cemetery lot holders, minutes of meetings regarding any of the many
types of
Jewish institutions overseen by the kehillot. Some of the books held
by Mr.
Lewin discussed financial administration, tax laws, annual election
of
elders, contracts with tax collectors and others, agreements with
rabbis,
cantors and other Jewish functionaries about their salaries. There
were
also copies of rabbincial court verdicts, procedures for collecting
taxes,
correspondence, ownership of synagogue seats and lists that amounted
to
censuses of the Jews in the district that were used to calculate
taxes and
the amount due to the jurisdiction based on the population. Wow.

The books, according to Lewin, were often deliberately destroyed
because of
space considerations or they got wet, burned or otherwise damaged
beyond
repair. Lewin noted that very few of these books survived and so he
felt
very fortunate to have found the ones that came into his possession.
Although, strictly speaking, these books "only" concern the
particular
communities >from a genealogical point of view, it sounds as though
they
included much material of general Jewish historical significance.

As things evolve, I will keep you all informed.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Fw: galicia digest: June 09, 2005 #galicia

Tzilla Kratter <kratter@...>
 

Dear All,

Alan Weiser asked about the following names found in records of Kolomea :

Golder, Hanna Abrahimowna
Goafner, Edmund Abrahimowicz
Grin, Shulima Haimowicz

Abrahimowna,Abrahimowicz and Haimowicz are patronyms (father's name) and
mean here daughter of Abraham, son of Abraham and son of Haim.

Szulima is simply Sholem/Shulem and the suffix "a" is a grammatical ending
which we don't need to go into, I think.

Tzilla Kratter, Jerusalem
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Pinkasim #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

I have not previously come across the term, Pinkasim. Using Miriam
Weiner's listing of records at the Ivano-Frankivsk archives pertaining
to Kolomea (Kolomyya), I have found a set of records labeled,
KAHAL/JEWISH COMMUNITY. The descriptions of the various cases within
these records sounds a lot like what is described in Pinkasim. I plan
to post descriptions of the various Kolomea civil records located at
the I-F archives in the near future. I would suggest that others
seeking such records search Miriam Weiner's web site for their
particular town.
Alan Weiser
alanboy@...
Silver Spring, MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suzan & Ron Wynne" <srwynne@...>
To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [galicia] Pinkasim


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Las Vegas 2005
25th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 10-15, 2005
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A few years ago, Jeffrey Cymbler and I tried to track down what had
become
of Pinkasim that had been in the possession of the late author and
scholar,
Isaac Lewin. He wrote about having some of the Pinkasim for Rzeszow,
Przeworsk, Kanczuga and Lancut and summarized their contents in a
chapter of
his book, The Jewish Community in Poland. Jeff sent me the chapter
and I got
in touch with Mr. Lewin's son, an attorney in Washington, DC to see
if he
knew what had become of his father's library and, particularly,
these
extremely valuable books. The trail petered out and I didn't pursue
it for
some reason.

I just "refound" the chapter while cleaning out my files and have
again
contacted the son to see if he can point me in the right direction.
I
suspect that the books are in Israel, perhaps at Bar Ilan University
so if
anyone has contacts there, please explore this issue.

What are Pinkasim? They are community books that maintained all
sorts of
records connected to the kehillot's role, so they could include
taxpayers,
cemetery lot holders, minutes of meetings regarding any of the many
types of
Jewish institutions overseen by the kehillot. Some of the books held
by Mr.
Lewin discussed financial administration, tax laws, annual election
of
elders, contracts with tax collectors and others, agreements with
rabbis,
cantors and other Jewish functionaries about their salaries. There
were
also copies of rabbincial court verdicts, procedures for collecting
taxes,
correspondence, ownership of synagogue seats and lists that amounted
to
censuses of the Jews in the district that were used to calculate
taxes and
the amount due to the jurisdiction based on the population. Wow.

The books, according to Lewin, were often deliberately destroyed
because of
space considerations or they got wet, burned or otherwise damaged
beyond
repair. Lewin noted that very few of these books survived and so he
felt
very fortunate to have found the ones that came into his possession.
Although, strictly speaking, these books "only" concern the
particular
communities >from a genealogical point of view, it sounds as though
they
included much material of general Jewish historical significance.

As things evolve, I will keep you all informed.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


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Jewish Given Name Resource #ukraine

Steve Franklin <cryptozoomorphic@...>
 

OK, "Uncle!"... There is a very good online resource for given names at
Avotaynu: http://www.avotaynu.com/books/dagnlist.htm

The name mentioned shows up in the list as "Yoyne." Whether this is some version
of something else, I don't know. Funny how a simple list can be more helpful
sometimes than a fancy computerized this-or-that "seeker."

Steve Franklin
Baltimore
http://www.lordbalto.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: <m.solman@...>
| re GASNA
|
| I would guess the spelling of the first name JOJNA is some version of Yonah
| (Yoina -- Yiddish pronounciation) all for the name Jonah -- as we commonly
know
| it.
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Jewish Given Name Resource #ukraine

Steve Franklin <cryptozoomorphic@...>
 

OK, "Uncle!"... There is a very good online resource for given names at
Avotaynu: http://www.avotaynu.com/books/dagnlist.htm

The name mentioned shows up in the list as "Yoyne." Whether this is some version
of something else, I don't know. Funny how a simple list can be more helpful
sometimes than a fancy computerized this-or-that "seeker."

Steve Franklin
Baltimore
http://www.lordbalto.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: <m.solman@...>
| re GASNA
|
| I would guess the spelling of the first name JOJNA is some version of Yonah
| (Yoina -- Yiddish pronounciation) all for the name Jonah -- as we commonly
know
| it.
Gaysin and Jojna information #ukraine

SelmaN@...
 

dayna chalif recently wrote . . . .
i found the ship manifest my gg-grandmother, her husband and 2 children.
the manifest says they came >from the town of GAISIN in "Pod. gub."
Russia....the 1930 census says they came >from "Podolsk.".... been told they were >from the
kamenets-podolsk region of russia. <<
Gaysin, Ukr. 62 km west of Uman - co-ordinates 48/48 x 29/23
Podelia Gubernia

.... a son, whose first name was JOJNA. does anyone else have male family
members >from russia with this or a similar first name? ... also what were
they called if they immigrated to America? <<
In my family, Jojna (pronounced Yoyna) became John.

Dayna, I recently did some family research for a doctor who was taking very
good care of me. I reasoned that he would continue his good care if I brought
him a present every week about his family >from Gaysin and a nearby shtetl,
Granov. He gave me family names, I did the research, now I'm cured and he has an
extensive family history. What are the names of the families you are
researching >from Gaisin?
Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@...
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus); SINGER, NEWMAN (possibly
Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Gaysin and Jojna information #ukraine

SelmaN@...
 

dayna chalif recently wrote . . . .
i found the ship manifest my gg-grandmother, her husband and 2 children.
the manifest says they came >from the town of GAISIN in "Pod. gub."
Russia....the 1930 census says they came >from "Podolsk.".... been told they were >from the
kamenets-podolsk region of russia. <<
Gaysin, Ukr. 62 km west of Uman - co-ordinates 48/48 x 29/23
Podelia Gubernia

.... a son, whose first name was JOJNA. does anyone else have male family
members >from russia with this or a similar first name? ... also what were
they called if they immigrated to America? <<
In my family, Jojna (pronounced Yoyna) became John.

Dayna, I recently did some family research for a doctor who was taking very
good care of me. I reasoned that he would continue his good care if I brought
him a present every week about his family >from Gaysin and a nearby shtetl,
Granov. He gave me family names, I did the research, now I'm cured and he has an
extensive family history. What are the names of the families you are
researching >from Gaisin?
Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@...
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus); SINGER, NEWMAN (possibly
Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)
looking for my step aunt #galicia

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you

I am looking for people >from Przemysl who were in

the Jewish orphanage ( the name was ochorna or some

thing like this) in the thirties.

My step aunt Dvora Jante Glaser who was born in 1927 and

whose parents were Chaim & Rachel Glaser was in this

orphanage.

In case someone of you knew her or know what

happened to her please contact me.

Arieh Mayer

Haifa Israel

meir1935@...
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia looking for my step aunt #galicia

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you

I am looking for people >from Przemysl who were in

the Jewish orphanage ( the name was ochorna or some

thing like this) in the thirties.

My step aunt Dvora Jante Glaser who was born in 1927 and

whose parents were Chaim & Rachel Glaser was in this

orphanage.

In case someone of you knew her or know what

happened to her please contact me.

Arieh Mayer

Haifa Israel

meir1935@...
Naming a newborn after a sibling who died earlier #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Naming a newborn after a sibling who died earlier #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
Re: US Military Records Open Up - WWII #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

More on World War II Military Records.
A 1973 fire destroyed millions of Official Military Personnel Files.
The affected record collections are described below.

Branch - Personnel and Period Affected - Estimated Loss

= Army - Personnel discharged November 1, 1912, to January 1, 1960 - 80%

= Air Force - Personnel discharged, September 25, 1947, to January 1, 1964
(with names alphabetically after Hubbard, James E.) - 75%


No duplicate copies were maintained, nor was a microfilm copy ever produced.
Alternate sources are used to reconstruct basic service information.
Read more:
http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/
fire_1973.html

Bernard Kouchel
bkouchel@...


"Bernard Kouchel" < koosh@... > wrote
(excerpt)

World War II records are
another story. A fire in 1973 destroyed 29 million Army records, including
most >from World War II.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: US Military Records Open Up - WWII #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

More on World War II Military Records.
A 1973 fire destroyed millions of Official Military Personnel Files.
The affected record collections are described below.

Branch - Personnel and Period Affected - Estimated Loss

= Army - Personnel discharged November 1, 1912, to January 1, 1960 - 80%

= Air Force - Personnel discharged, September 25, 1947, to January 1, 1964
(with names alphabetically after Hubbard, James E.) - 75%


No duplicate copies were maintained, nor was a microfilm copy ever produced.
Alternate sources are used to reconstruct basic service information.
Read more:
http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/
fire_1973.html

Bernard Kouchel
bkouchel@...


"Bernard Kouchel" < koosh@... > wrote
(excerpt)

World War II records are
another story. A fire in 1973 destroyed 29 million Army records, including
most >from World War II.
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