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Belchatow Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) Meeting at the Conference #poland #lodz

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

The Belchatow Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) will hold its annual meeting at the
IAJGS International Genealogy Conference on Tuesday at 4:45-6:00 in the Soho
Room on the 7th floor of the Marriott Marquis Hotel, following the Lodz Area
Research Group (LARG) meeting. Belchatow is part of the Lodz Area Research
Group, so I suggest if you are researching Belchatow, try to attend both
sessions. Groholice which was once a separate town is now part of Belchatow
and included in this BOF meeting.

Belchatow is located approximately 27 miles south of Lodz in Poland. Nearby
Jewish towns and villages include: Kamiensk, Lask, Pabianice, Piotrkow
Trybunalski, Radomsko, Rozprza, Sulejow (Silev), Sulmierzyce, Szczercow,
Tomaszow Mazowiecki, Tuszyn, Widawa, and Zelow. See thee ShtetLink site for
more information:
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm . (Recently, the site has been
taking longer to load on some browsers. Please be patient and give it time
to download the home page. I am working on correcting this issue).

If you are planning to join us, please sign-up at:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/signup.htm DO NOT enter your
spouse's name if he/she is not attending or has no roots within Belchatow
(or any of the LARG towns). List the surnames you are researching from
Belchatow. This is the signup for both LARG and Belchatow researchers.

You can also see who else is planning to attend, by clicking on "click here
to see who is going to be there" at the bottom of the sign-in page. Even if
you cannot attend this meeting due to conflicts in your schedule, please
indicate the surnames you are looking for in Belchatow so that others at the
meeting can contact you.

I am also requesting that if you have records for surnames that others in
the group are researching, please bring copies to share with them.

We will be reviewing new projects for Belchatow. One major project will be
initiated soon.

I look forward to seeing everyone again and meeting "new" Belchatow
researchers who have not attended this meeting before. Be sure to check out
the Belchatow websites below.

See you in August,
Roni

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
IAJGS 2006 Conference Registration Chair and Exhibit Coordinator
http://www.jgsny2006.org
registration@jgsny2006.org
Roni@jgsny2006.org

Belchatow ShtetLink http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
Lodz ShtetLinks http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/index.htm
Lodz Area Research Group (LARG)
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Belchatow Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) Meeting at the Conference #lodz #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

The Belchatow Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) will hold its annual meeting at the
IAJGS International Genealogy Conference on Tuesday at 4:45-6:00 in the Soho
Room on the 7th floor of the Marriott Marquis Hotel, following the Lodz Area
Research Group (LARG) meeting. Belchatow is part of the Lodz Area Research
Group, so I suggest if you are researching Belchatow, try to attend both
sessions. Groholice which was once a separate town is now part of Belchatow
and included in this BOF meeting.

Belchatow is located approximately 27 miles south of Lodz in Poland. Nearby
Jewish towns and villages include: Kamiensk, Lask, Pabianice, Piotrkow
Trybunalski, Radomsko, Rozprza, Sulejow (Silev), Sulmierzyce, Szczercow,
Tomaszow Mazowiecki, Tuszyn, Widawa, and Zelow. See thee ShtetLink site for
more information:
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm . (Recently, the site has been
taking longer to load on some browsers. Please be patient and give it time
to download the home page. I am working on correcting this issue).

If you are planning to join us, please sign-up at:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/signup.htm DO NOT enter your
spouse's name if he/she is not attending or has no roots within Belchatow
(or any of the LARG towns). List the surnames you are researching from
Belchatow. This is the signup for both LARG and Belchatow researchers.

You can also see who else is planning to attend, by clicking on "click here
to see who is going to be there" at the bottom of the sign-in page. Even if
you cannot attend this meeting due to conflicts in your schedule, please
indicate the surnames you are looking for in Belchatow so that others at the
meeting can contact you.

I am also requesting that if you have records for surnames that others in
the group are researching, please bring copies to share with them.

We will be reviewing new projects for Belchatow. One major project will be
initiated soon.

I look forward to seeing everyone again and meeting "new" Belchatow
researchers who have not attended this meeting before. Be sure to check out
the Belchatow websites below.

See you in August,
Roni

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
IAJGS 2006 Conference Registration Chair and Exhibit Coordinator
http://www.jgsny2006.org
registration@jgsny2006.org
Roni@jgsny2006.org

Belchatow ShtetLink http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
Lodz ShtetLinks http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/index.htm
Lodz Area Research Group (LARG)
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
HOFFMAN #lodz #poland

Keith Hatfield <hatfield.1@...>
 

I am searcging for relatives of a Josef HOFFMAN born in Habry,
Czechoslovakia in 1860 to Alois Eljiezer and Therese Rivka. HOFFMAN. I
believe that his son was Khaim Yekhil / Chaim HOFFMAN, who had recorded his
details on the Yad Vashem site. Khaim Yekhil was I believe the husband of
my Mother's Aunt Ida ADLER born in Lodz, Poland 14.1.1909.
Does any one recognise these names?

Regards Sherry Hatfield
Lodz Area Research Group (LARG) at the Conference #lodz #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

The Lodz Area Research Group will hold its annual meeting at the Conference
on Tuesday at 3:15-4:30 in the Soho Room on the 7th floor of the Marriott
Marquis Hotel.

This is a group researching not only the city of Lodz, but approximately 80
surrounding towns. To see if this includes one of your towns in Poland, go
to www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm, click on towns, and scroll
down for the list.

If you are planning to join us, please sign-up at:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/signup.htm DO NOT enter your
spouse's name if he/she is not attending or has no roots within these towns.
List the surnames and towns you are researching ONLY >from this area. If you
are not sure of the towns, list "any."

You can also see who else is planning to attend, by clicking on "click here
to see who is going to be there" at the bottom of the sign-in page. Even if
you cannot attend this meeting due to conflicts in your schedule, please
indicate the surnames and towns you are looking for in this area so that
others at the meeting can contact you.

I am also requesting that if you have records for surnames that others in
the group are researching, please bring copies to share with them.

We will be reviewing what indices still need to be digitized within these
towns. Town Contacts attending, please bring reports about your towns for
us to share.

We may be starting a very big project soon which will be shared with you at
the meeting.

I look forward to seeing everyone again and meeting "new" Lodz Area
Researchers who have not attended this group meeting before.

All the best,
Roni

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
IAJGS 2006 Conference Registration Chair and Exhibit Coordinator
http://www.jgsny2006.org registration@jgsny2006.org Roni@jgsny2006.org

Lodz ShtetLinks http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/index.htm
Lodz Area Research Group (LARG)
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
Belchatow ShtetLink http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland HOFFMAN #lodz #poland

Keith Hatfield <hatfield.1@...>
 

I am searcging for relatives of a Josef HOFFMAN born in Habry,
Czechoslovakia in 1860 to Alois Eljiezer and Therese Rivka. HOFFMAN. I
believe that his son was Khaim Yekhil / Chaim HOFFMAN, who had recorded his
details on the Yad Vashem site. Khaim Yekhil was I believe the husband of
my Mother's Aunt Ida ADLER born in Lodz, Poland 14.1.1909.
Does any one recognise these names?

Regards Sherry Hatfield
Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Lodz Area Research Group (LARG) at the Conference #lodz #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

The Lodz Area Research Group will hold its annual meeting at the Conference
on Tuesday at 3:15-4:30 in the Soho Room on the 7th floor of the Marriott
Marquis Hotel.

This is a group researching not only the city of Lodz, but approximately 80
surrounding towns. To see if this includes one of your towns in Poland, go
to www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm, click on towns, and scroll
down for the list.

If you are planning to join us, please sign-up at:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/signup.htm DO NOT enter your
spouse's name if he/she is not attending or has no roots within these towns.
List the surnames and towns you are researching ONLY >from this area. If you
are not sure of the towns, list "any."

You can also see who else is planning to attend, by clicking on "click here
to see who is going to be there" at the bottom of the sign-in page. Even if
you cannot attend this meeting due to conflicts in your schedule, please
indicate the surnames and towns you are looking for in this area so that
others at the meeting can contact you.

I am also requesting that if you have records for surnames that others in
the group are researching, please bring copies to share with them.

We will be reviewing what indices still need to be digitized within these
towns. Town Contacts attending, please bring reports about your towns for
us to share.

We may be starting a very big project soon which will be shared with you at
the meeting.

I look forward to seeing everyone again and meeting "new" Lodz Area
Researchers who have not attended this group meeting before.

All the best,
Roni

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
IAJGS 2006 Conference Registration Chair and Exhibit Coordinator
http://www.jgsny2006.org registration@jgsny2006.org Roni@jgsny2006.org

Lodz ShtetLinks http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/index.htm
Lodz Area Research Group (LARG)
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
Belchatow ShtetLink http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
Post WWI Austrian citizenship #galicia

Suzan & Ron Wynne <srwynne@...>
 

This is in response to Lancy Spalter's provacative posting a couple of days
ago. I've been re-reading Wm. O. McCagg Jr.'s book The Story of Hapsburg
Jews, 1670-1918 and, while McCagg doesn't specifically discuss the issue of
post WWI citizenship, he does discuss the social and economic context of
post-war conditions. The war had created tremendous physical disruption in
Galicia. Galician Jews were expelled by the invading Russian army, whole
towns along the path of battle were destroyed, and many Jews returned
post-war, to find that they had to start all over again. Moving to Vienna,
where about 200,000 very poor Galicians had lived in overcrowded and
underemployed conditions pre-war, must have seemed a less attractive option
than trying to stay in familiar surroundings where they had family and
community support.

I say Vienna, because, in Austria proper, few Jews lived outside of that
city. Austria's punishment for the war was harsh. The country lost its
territorial possessions and was reduced to a poor, mostly agricultural
country with virtually no industry and very little economic power. Vienna
had suffered badly in the 1873 economic downturn and never really recovered.
Then, there was rampant anti-Jewish fervor in the rural and small town
population outside of Vienna because the very conservative, Catholic
populace was fearful of Socialism, which they associated with Jews.

Altogether, not a very welcoming place. There were massive problems in
Poland as well, of course. I don't mean to minimize them. But, it makes
sense that people would have been seeking safety, a way to make a decent
living, and comfort. It just doesn't seem that Vienna would have offered any
of those features.

I'd be interested in hearing >from others about their point of view on this
topic.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD
STEINHORN #general

Michael D. Friedman, CEBS <FriedmanGenealogy@...>
 

I am searching for descendents of Avrahm STEINHORN. His sons Morris,
Benjamin and Joseph lived in an around Ellenville, NY and Greenfield Park,
NY. All are buried in Ellenville. Morris once owned and operated the Grand
Mountain Hotel and Camp in Greenfield Park.

Please contact me directly at the address below.

Thank you.

Michael Friedman
Michael@FriedmanGenealogy.com

Researching: Friedman & Finkel (Grodno); Lechner (Gorodenka); Zimmer &
Quicksilver (Chernovitz & Verachenka)
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Post WWI Austrian citizenship #galicia

Suzan & Ron Wynne <srwynne@...>
 

This is in response to Lancy Spalter's provacative posting a couple of days
ago. I've been re-reading Wm. O. McCagg Jr.'s book The Story of Hapsburg
Jews, 1670-1918 and, while McCagg doesn't specifically discuss the issue of
post WWI citizenship, he does discuss the social and economic context of
post-war conditions. The war had created tremendous physical disruption in
Galicia. Galician Jews were expelled by the invading Russian army, whole
towns along the path of battle were destroyed, and many Jews returned
post-war, to find that they had to start all over again. Moving to Vienna,
where about 200,000 very poor Galicians had lived in overcrowded and
underemployed conditions pre-war, must have seemed a less attractive option
than trying to stay in familiar surroundings where they had family and
community support.

I say Vienna, because, in Austria proper, few Jews lived outside of that
city. Austria's punishment for the war was harsh. The country lost its
territorial possessions and was reduced to a poor, mostly agricultural
country with virtually no industry and very little economic power. Vienna
had suffered badly in the 1873 economic downturn and never really recovered.
Then, there was rampant anti-Jewish fervor in the rural and small town
population outside of Vienna because the very conservative, Catholic
populace was fearful of Socialism, which they associated with Jews.

Altogether, not a very welcoming place. There were massive problems in
Poland as well, of course. I don't mean to minimize them. But, it makes
sense that people would have been seeking safety, a way to make a decent
living, and comfort. It just doesn't seem that Vienna would have offered any
of those features.

I'd be interested in hearing >from others about their point of view on this
topic.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen STEINHORN #general

Michael D. Friedman, CEBS <FriedmanGenealogy@...>
 

I am searching for descendents of Avrahm STEINHORN. His sons Morris,
Benjamin and Joseph lived in an around Ellenville, NY and Greenfield Park,
NY. All are buried in Ellenville. Morris once owned and operated the Grand
Mountain Hotel and Camp in Greenfield Park.

Please contact me directly at the address below.

Thank you.

Michael Friedman
Michael@FriedmanGenealogy.com

Researching: Friedman & Finkel (Grodno); Lechner (Gorodenka); Zimmer &
Quicksilver (Chernovitz & Verachenka)
Re: Citizenship after WWI #galicia

Bev Beiman <bbevy@...>
 

Fellow researcher M. Goldberger drew my attention to the relevant clauses of
the Treaty of Peace between the Allied and Associate Powers and Austria. The
answer is that Galitzianers were automatically granted Polish citizenship
BUT they had a 12-month period to opt for Austrian citizenship. Very few of them > did.

My new question is: WHY?
The truth is, I don't know the answer why, but I can add something to
the mystery.

My Galician family spent WWone in Vienna. After the war they spent
their time waiting for one of my uncles to return >from a Russian POW
camp and tending various members of the family back in Bucaczowce who
were caught up (and died) in the Spanish Flu epidemic.

The family moved to The Netherlands in 1920.

At the archives in The Hague I found passport applications, before
they became citizens of Holland, for my grandfather and several of my
older uncles dated in the 20s. They were not granted passports but
rather Laissez Passers as "stateless persons", noting that the country
they came from, namely the Austrian Empire, no longer existed and they
therefore had no citizenship at all.

I don't have the documents at hand for the exact wording, but that is
the gist of it.

Beverly Shulster
Yehud, Israel
Ressler-Raskin #general

Michael D. Friedman, CEBS <FriedmanGenealogy@...>
 

I am searching for descendents of Abraham Ressler, including Gertrude
"Gussie" Glassman Ressler Friedman. Abraham was my ggrandmother's brother.
She died in Europe. He is buried in Mt. Zion Cemetery in Maspeth, Queens,
New York.

Please contact me at the address below.

Thank you!

Michael Friedman
Michael@FriedmanGenealogy.com

Researching: Friedman & Finkel (Grodno); Lechner (Gorodenka); Zimmer &
Quicksilver (Chernovitz & Verachenka)
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Citizenship after WWI #galicia

Bev Beiman <bbevy@...>
 

Fellow researcher M. Goldberger drew my attention to the relevant clauses of
the Treaty of Peace between the Allied and Associate Powers and Austria. The
answer is that Galitzianers were automatically granted Polish citizenship
BUT they had a 12-month period to opt for Austrian citizenship. Very few of them > did.

My new question is: WHY?
The truth is, I don't know the answer why, but I can add something to
the mystery.

My Galician family spent WWone in Vienna. After the war they spent
their time waiting for one of my uncles to return >from a Russian POW
camp and tending various members of the family back in Bucaczowce who
were caught up (and died) in the Spanish Flu epidemic.

The family moved to The Netherlands in 1920.

At the archives in The Hague I found passport applications, before
they became citizens of Holland, for my grandfather and several of my
older uncles dated in the 20s. They were not granted passports but
rather Laissez Passers as "stateless persons", noting that the country
they came from, namely the Austrian Empire, no longer existed and they
therefore had no citizenship at all.

I don't have the documents at hand for the exact wording, but that is
the gist of it.

Beverly Shulster
Yehud, Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ressler-Raskin #general

Michael D. Friedman, CEBS <FriedmanGenealogy@...>
 

I am searching for descendents of Abraham Ressler, including Gertrude
"Gussie" Glassman Ressler Friedman. Abraham was my ggrandmother's brother.
She died in Europe. He is buried in Mt. Zion Cemetery in Maspeth, Queens,
New York.

Please contact me at the address below.

Thank you!

Michael Friedman
Michael@FriedmanGenealogy.com

Researching: Friedman & Finkel (Grodno); Lechner (Gorodenka); Zimmer &
Quicksilver (Chernovitz & Verachenka)
Re: Citizenship after WWI #galicia

Brian J. Lenius <brian@...>
 

I don't usually (maybe never before) wade in on a debate without very
concrete information, but I find this question rather interesting. The
answer, once discovered, can provide all researchers with a small piece of
history to add to their family histories.

Lancy Spalter:

Fellow researcher M. Goldberger drew my attention to the relevant clauses
of
the Treaty of Peace between the Allied and Associate Powers and Austria.
The
answer is that Galitzianers were automatically granted Polish citizenship
BUT they had a 12-month period to opt for Austrian citizenship. Very few
of
them did.

My new question is: WHY?
= Were they unaware of this option?
= Were they too "busy" trying to survive the post-war rigors to care for
citizenship?
= Were there guidelines of the Jewish Councils as to which nationality to
choose?

If any of the GG mavens has answers, please share them.
Thanks to Lancy Spalter for this thought provoking and relevant question and
to M. Goldberger for the subsequent info re: "Treaty of Peace" clauses. Is
it possible that there might be other clauses in this treaty that might
spell out conditions to opt for Austiran citizenship?

The answer to Lancy's question should be of interest, not only all Jewish
Galicianers but, to those of all other ethnic groups in Galicia as well. It
is also a question where maybe looking at other ethnic groups might provide
some insight for Jewish researchers.

While mulling this over in my mind, it seems that one point would be
obvious. Those who were ethnic Poles would not wish to become Austrian
citizens for one obvious reason - the new country was created effectively
for them. As for all the rest, Ukrainian, Jewish, and German (to name the
major ones) - it seems the same decision (or "none decision" really) was
made. It is always easier to "not" make a decision (i.e. "do nothing") and
so that might have been part of it. While Lancy's third possibility might
have been true (I don't know), it seems that perhaps one of the first 2
possibilities or maybe even a 4th could have been the main reason -
something more universal.

The vast majority of not only Ukrainians, but also those of German
ethnicity, did not become Austrian citizens. This I can personally state
this with fair certainty. It is perhaps most striking that almost all
German "colonists" also did not take up this offer. They had such a strong
tie to being "Austrian" partially due in part to their German culture and
language and also due in part to their gratitude to the Austrian Monarchy
for the invitation and opportunity to settle there in the first place (late
1700's & early 1800's). In fact, if one looks at the Canadian 1911 census,
it seems that Ukrainians >from Galicia most often identified themselves as
"Galician", but the German immigrants >from Galicia most often identified
themslves as "Austrian. So to me this is what makes the question even more
intriguing.

Maybe a fourth universal possibility might be that there were conditions
applied to that citizenship that most Galicians regardless of ethnicity
(other than ethnic Poles), did not find attractive. For example, maybe
Austrian citizenship required relocating to the "new" Austrian soil. This
would not be attractive to most residents in Galicia, because it would mean
leaving relatives, friends, land, businesses, and more behind. Also, land
and opportunities in the much smaller, and now economically recovering,
Austria might not be as attractive. This requirement might also make sense
politically as one would be hard-pressed to see how citizens of one country
(new Austrian citizens) would be allowed to remain resident in another
country (the "new" Poland) especially when the former had just recently been
enemies with the later. One can think of all kinds of potential problems,
such as the potential for the new "Austrian" citizens to form some sort of
insurgency. That is but one of many scenarios that one could conjure up.

I do apologize for the long message especially since it is not filled with
known facts, but I am hoping that it might be a bit thought provoking. I
too am interested in discovering the answer to Lancy's second question and
hope others will weigh in. Again, maybe the answer lies in further clauses
of the "Treaty of Peace".

Regards,
Brian J. Lenius
Selkirk, MB, Canada
Street Name Helps... #general

Joel Weintraub <jweintraub@...>
 

On digest yesterday an inquiry was made about an "Attebury" street in
Trenton NJ found on the US Census for 1910. The person was trying to locate
the street.

One way of checking streets is to use our geographical search aids at the
Morse One Step site at http://www.stevemorse.org/ Using the website,
going to the 1910-1940 Census utility, choosing 1910, then New Jersey, and
then choosing Trenton, an alphabetical list of all streets that we compiled
from either the census, NARA descriptions of census districts, or other
sources are shown. We quickly see that there is an Atterbury Avenue in
Trenton. A modern map shows the street still exists. If a modern map did
not show the street, then our utility on Street Name Changes on the One Step
site might help in finding the current name of the street.

At the NY conference this August I'm giving a computer workshop on how these
geographical databases were arrived at. I'm interested in showing people
who have used the geographical utilities the assumptions that they are
working with when they use the databases, and the search assumptions of the
One Step search engine in terms of how that influences results.

Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Citizenship after WWI #galicia

Brian J. Lenius <brian@...>
 

I don't usually (maybe never before) wade in on a debate without very
concrete information, but I find this question rather interesting. The
answer, once discovered, can provide all researchers with a small piece of
history to add to their family histories.

Lancy Spalter:

Fellow researcher M. Goldberger drew my attention to the relevant clauses
of
the Treaty of Peace between the Allied and Associate Powers and Austria.
The
answer is that Galitzianers were automatically granted Polish citizenship
BUT they had a 12-month period to opt for Austrian citizenship. Very few
of
them did.

My new question is: WHY?
= Were they unaware of this option?
= Were they too "busy" trying to survive the post-war rigors to care for
citizenship?
= Were there guidelines of the Jewish Councils as to which nationality to
choose?

If any of the GG mavens has answers, please share them.
Thanks to Lancy Spalter for this thought provoking and relevant question and
to M. Goldberger for the subsequent info re: "Treaty of Peace" clauses. Is
it possible that there might be other clauses in this treaty that might
spell out conditions to opt for Austiran citizenship?

The answer to Lancy's question should be of interest, not only all Jewish
Galicianers but, to those of all other ethnic groups in Galicia as well. It
is also a question where maybe looking at other ethnic groups might provide
some insight for Jewish researchers.

While mulling this over in my mind, it seems that one point would be
obvious. Those who were ethnic Poles would not wish to become Austrian
citizens for one obvious reason - the new country was created effectively
for them. As for all the rest, Ukrainian, Jewish, and German (to name the
major ones) - it seems the same decision (or "none decision" really) was
made. It is always easier to "not" make a decision (i.e. "do nothing") and
so that might have been part of it. While Lancy's third possibility might
have been true (I don't know), it seems that perhaps one of the first 2
possibilities or maybe even a 4th could have been the main reason -
something more universal.

The vast majority of not only Ukrainians, but also those of German
ethnicity, did not become Austrian citizens. This I can personally state
this with fair certainty. It is perhaps most striking that almost all
German "colonists" also did not take up this offer. They had such a strong
tie to being "Austrian" partially due in part to their German culture and
language and also due in part to their gratitude to the Austrian Monarchy
for the invitation and opportunity to settle there in the first place (late
1700's & early 1800's). In fact, if one looks at the Canadian 1911 census,
it seems that Ukrainians >from Galicia most often identified themselves as
"Galician", but the German immigrants >from Galicia most often identified
themslves as "Austrian. So to me this is what makes the question even more
intriguing.

Maybe a fourth universal possibility might be that there were conditions
applied to that citizenship that most Galicians regardless of ethnicity
(other than ethnic Poles), did not find attractive. For example, maybe
Austrian citizenship required relocating to the "new" Austrian soil. This
would not be attractive to most residents in Galicia, because it would mean
leaving relatives, friends, land, businesses, and more behind. Also, land
and opportunities in the much smaller, and now economically recovering,
Austria might not be as attractive. This requirement might also make sense
politically as one would be hard-pressed to see how citizens of one country
(new Austrian citizens) would be allowed to remain resident in another
country (the "new" Poland) especially when the former had just recently been
enemies with the later. One can think of all kinds of potential problems,
such as the potential for the new "Austrian" citizens to form some sort of
insurgency. That is but one of many scenarios that one could conjure up.

I do apologize for the long message especially since it is not filled with
known facts, but I am hoping that it might be a bit thought provoking. I
too am interested in discovering the answer to Lancy's second question and
hope others will weigh in. Again, maybe the answer lies in further clauses
of the "Treaty of Peace".

Regards,
Brian J. Lenius
Selkirk, MB, Canada
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Street Name Helps... #general

Joel Weintraub <jweintraub@...>
 

On digest yesterday an inquiry was made about an "Attebury" street in
Trenton NJ found on the US Census for 1910. The person was trying to locate
the street.

One way of checking streets is to use our geographical search aids at the
Morse One Step site at http://www.stevemorse.org/ Using the website,
going to the 1910-1940 Census utility, choosing 1910, then New Jersey, and
then choosing Trenton, an alphabetical list of all streets that we compiled
from either the census, NARA descriptions of census districts, or other
sources are shown. We quickly see that there is an Atterbury Avenue in
Trenton. A modern map shows the street still exists. If a modern map did
not show the street, then our utility on Street Name Changes on the One Step
site might help in finding the current name of the street.

At the NY conference this August I'm giving a computer workshop on how these
geographical databases were arrived at. I'm interested in showing people
who have used the geographical utilities the assumptions that they are
working with when they use the databases, and the search assumptions of the
One Step search engine in terms of how that influences results.

Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA
Re: NYT article on 21st Street Cemetery in NYC #general

Teri Tillman <natzrose@...>
 

In regards to the article in yesterday's New York Times about Congregation
Shearith Israel's 21st Street Cemetery, I would be very interested in
obtaining a paper copy of this article for my files. If a JewishGenner in
NYC who subscribes to the NYT would be willing to send me his / her copy of
this article, please contact me privately.

Thank you.

Teri Tillman
Natchez, Mississippi
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NYT article on 21st Street Cemetery in NYC #general

Teri Tillman <natzrose@...>
 

In regards to the article in yesterday's New York Times about Congregation
Shearith Israel's 21st Street Cemetery, I would be very interested in
obtaining a paper copy of this article for my files. If a JewishGenner in
NYC who subscribes to the NYT would be willing to send me his / her copy of
this article, please contact me privately.

Thank you.

Teri Tillman
Natchez, Mississippi
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