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looking for missing passenger list 1949 ship USAT General W C Langfitt #general

Feige Stern
 

Hi,
I recently received a Declaration of Intention for my husband's great
uncle, Witalis Sobel. It states that he arrived in the US on April 26,
1949 on the USAT General W C Langfitt.

Ancestry lists a passenger list which is 6 pages (about 170 passenger)
for crew only. I wasn't able to find a list of passengers there.
Does anyone have any ideas as to how to find the list of passengers?
It appears that he survived the war and ended up in the US.
I only recently learned about him.
I learned by googling the name of the ship that it was used to transport
Polish refugees to South America and Australia in 1949 and 1950.
Perhaps there was there an earlier transport of Polish refugees in 1949?

Another question- the Declaration was dated June 21, 1949, yet his date
of arrival in the US, according to this document was April 26, 1949.
I thought I remembered that an alien wasn't allowed to file a Declaration
until they had lived in the US for one year. Was this somehow waived after WWII?

Thanks for your thoughts on this,

Feige Kauvar Stern
Cleveland, OH

Researching:
KLEVARSKY (KAUVAR), Seduva, Lithuania; SILVERSTEIN, Rasseiniai,
Lithuania; NAFTEL, Rasseiniai, Lithuania; SCHENKER, Dankera,
Latvia and Birzai, Lithuania; MEYLACH, Dankera, Latvia and Birzai,
Lithuania; HOFFMAN, Kishinev, Moldova; SCHWARTZ, Braila, Romania;
STERN, Kovno, Lithuania; YUDKOVITCH, Warsaw, Poland; SOBEL,
Kleparov, (Lvov), Ukraine; PROBST, Kleparov (Lvov), Ukraine;


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen looking for missing passenger list 1949 ship USAT General W C Langfitt #general

Feige Stern
 

Hi,
I recently received a Declaration of Intention for my husband's great
uncle, Witalis Sobel. It states that he arrived in the US on April 26,
1949 on the USAT General W C Langfitt.

Ancestry lists a passenger list which is 6 pages (about 170 passenger)
for crew only. I wasn't able to find a list of passengers there.
Does anyone have any ideas as to how to find the list of passengers?
It appears that he survived the war and ended up in the US.
I only recently learned about him.
I learned by googling the name of the ship that it was used to transport
Polish refugees to South America and Australia in 1949 and 1950.
Perhaps there was there an earlier transport of Polish refugees in 1949?

Another question- the Declaration was dated June 21, 1949, yet his date
of arrival in the US, according to this document was April 26, 1949.
I thought I remembered that an alien wasn't allowed to file a Declaration
until they had lived in the US for one year. Was this somehow waived after WWII?

Thanks for your thoughts on this,

Feige Kauvar Stern
Cleveland, OH

Researching:
KLEVARSKY (KAUVAR), Seduva, Lithuania; SILVERSTEIN, Rasseiniai,
Lithuania; NAFTEL, Rasseiniai, Lithuania; SCHENKER, Dankera,
Latvia and Birzai, Lithuania; MEYLACH, Dankera, Latvia and Birzai,
Lithuania; HOFFMAN, Kishinev, Moldova; SCHWARTZ, Braila, Romania;
STERN, Kovno, Lithuania; YUDKOVITCH, Warsaw, Poland; SOBEL,
Kleparov, (Lvov), Ukraine; PROBST, Kleparov (Lvov), Ukraine;


Search of "common names" in US census: MEYER, MCCARDLE; #general

Reuven Mohr
 

My grandmother had seven siblings, and I am satisfied with the
information I have collected on six of them.

But her oldest sister so far remains a "blank" on my tree.

Hermine WEIL was born 22 Jun 1879 in Pforzheim, Baden, Germany. Her
father Robert WEIL was a Bavarian citizen (born Frankenthal,
Palatinate), so his children arrived in USA as Bavarians. I mention
this, since this might appear in the "origin" columns of census
records.

Hermine arrived in NYC on 19 Oct 1911. She might have been in USA
before, but probably not before 1908. Soon she married a Christian Mr.
MEYER (whatever spelling: MAYER,MAIER, MEIER, MYER, MAIR, MIER + possible
spelling mistakes), and cut off her ties with her family. Nobody knew the
first name of Mr. MEYER,or the spelling of his name, or ever saw him.
It could be possible,that Hermine converted, and adopted a different first
name, or used a nick name (like Mina etc.). She seems to have died 21 Nov 1964
in Far Rockaway, NY and all her life she seems to have lived in this area.
She might have worked as a cook.

The MEYERs had one daughter, Lilian or Lillian, estimated birth 1912 or later.
Lillian at some stage married Joe/Joseph MAC CARDLE / MCCARDLE,
(+possible spelling mistakes), a Catholic >from Scotland (or Ireland?).
The two had four daughters - no names known. Lillian was born and grew
up in the NYC/Long Island area, but later seems to have moved to
Florida. She was alive in 2006 - but was not interested in
communication. I did respect that, but she might have children and
grandchildren with different opinions. So I would like to give it a
chance, and locate them.

That's what I could find out >from relatives, but it was not enough to
find any relevant documents.

Lately I subscribed to a paysite which allows me access to US census
records - but I did not make the slightest progress. Am I just not
smart enough? Should I search records other than census? Which ones?

Any suggestions welcome.

Gmar hatima tova!
Reuven Mohr
Israel

searching: WEIL, LOEB, MAYER, Ellerstadt, Palatinate > New Haven, CT,
NYC; GOLDSMITH, Frankenthal, Palatinate > USA;


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search of "common names" in US census: MEYER, MCCARDLE; #general

Reuven Mohr
 

My grandmother had seven siblings, and I am satisfied with the
information I have collected on six of them.

But her oldest sister so far remains a "blank" on my tree.

Hermine WEIL was born 22 Jun 1879 in Pforzheim, Baden, Germany. Her
father Robert WEIL was a Bavarian citizen (born Frankenthal,
Palatinate), so his children arrived in USA as Bavarians. I mention
this, since this might appear in the "origin" columns of census
records.

Hermine arrived in NYC on 19 Oct 1911. She might have been in USA
before, but probably not before 1908. Soon she married a Christian Mr.
MEYER (whatever spelling: MAYER,MAIER, MEIER, MYER, MAIR, MIER + possible
spelling mistakes), and cut off her ties with her family. Nobody knew the
first name of Mr. MEYER,or the spelling of his name, or ever saw him.
It could be possible,that Hermine converted, and adopted a different first
name, or used a nick name (like Mina etc.). She seems to have died 21 Nov 1964
in Far Rockaway, NY and all her life she seems to have lived in this area.
She might have worked as a cook.

The MEYERs had one daughter, Lilian or Lillian, estimated birth 1912 or later.
Lillian at some stage married Joe/Joseph MAC CARDLE / MCCARDLE,
(+possible spelling mistakes), a Catholic >from Scotland (or Ireland?).
The two had four daughters - no names known. Lillian was born and grew
up in the NYC/Long Island area, but later seems to have moved to
Florida. She was alive in 2006 - but was not interested in
communication. I did respect that, but she might have children and
grandchildren with different opinions. So I would like to give it a
chance, and locate them.

That's what I could find out >from relatives, but it was not enough to
find any relevant documents.

Lately I subscribed to a paysite which allows me access to US census
records - but I did not make the slightest progress. Am I just not
smart enough? Should I search records other than census? Which ones?

Any suggestions welcome.

Gmar hatima tova!
Reuven Mohr
Israel

searching: WEIL, LOEB, MAYER, Ellerstadt, Palatinate > New Haven, CT,
NYC; GOLDSMITH, Frankenthal, Palatinate > USA;


Re: Best DNA testing company? #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

It is Family Tree DNA. The results you get >from the different places
should be the same, but what is the most useful is the services that
Family Tree DNA provides after you get your results. None of the others
can come close in matching them. First they do around 90% of the genetic
testing and they would match you with their large data base to more of
your cousins. The projects they are very useful and you should join
several of them including host as least one haplogroup project. Also I
have found that they are very willing of answering your questions.

Sidney Sachs

From: "Louis Kopolow" <kopolowmd@...>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:59:54 -0400

What do people think is the best testing operation for genetic
research----
FTDNA, 23 and me, or some other group.
Ari Kopolow


DNA Research #DNA Re: Best DNA testing company? #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

It is Family Tree DNA. The results you get >from the different places
should be the same, but what is the most useful is the services that
Family Tree DNA provides after you get your results. None of the others
can come close in matching them. First they do around 90% of the genetic
testing and they would match you with their large data base to more of
your cousins. The projects they are very useful and you should join
several of them including host as least one haplogroup project. Also I
have found that they are very willing of answering your questions.

Sidney Sachs

From: "Louis Kopolow" <kopolowmd@...>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:59:54 -0400

What do people think is the best testing operation for genetic
research----
FTDNA, 23 and me, or some other group.
Ari Kopolow


Re: Have I found the DNA typing of my Most Recent Common Ancestor? #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Gary,

I heard of a father with 3 sons that all were tested. The first two sons
had the same mutation >from the father but the third son was exact match to
his father.

For your information, the chances of the two Mokotow being still exact
matches at 37 markers is only around 8% and for you being 2 genetic
distance >from them is about 25%. There was a 5% chance that you could
have been 6 or more genetic distance >from your distance cousins.

Sidney Sachs

From: Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:11:49 -0400

All Mokotows in the world are descended >from my ggg-grandfather Tuvia
David Mokotow. I have had the DNA typed for three descendants of three
different sons of Tuvia with the following results.

A sixth generation and an eighth generation Mokotow were exact matches at
37 markers even though they are descended >from different sons of Tuvia.
The third person, me-a sixth generation Mokotow-, was a mismatch by two
markers.

Have I found the DNA typing of Tuvia or is there a reasonable likelihood
that the two persons who matched mutated in the identical way?


DNA Research #DNA Re: Have I found the DNA typing of my Most Recent Common Ancestor? #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Gary,

I heard of a father with 3 sons that all were tested. The first two sons
had the same mutation >from the father but the third son was exact match to
his father.

For your information, the chances of the two Mokotow being still exact
matches at 37 markers is only around 8% and for you being 2 genetic
distance >from them is about 25%. There was a 5% chance that you could
have been 6 or more genetic distance >from your distance cousins.

Sidney Sachs

From: Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:11:49 -0400

All Mokotows in the world are descended >from my ggg-grandfather Tuvia
David Mokotow. I have had the DNA typed for three descendants of three
different sons of Tuvia with the following results.

A sixth generation and an eighth generation Mokotow were exact matches at
37 markers even though they are descended >from different sons of Tuvia.
The third person, me-a sixth generation Mokotow-, was a mismatch by two
markers.

Have I found the DNA typing of Tuvia or is there a reasonable likelihood
that the two persons who matched mutated in the identical way?


"Exploring JewishGen" New Class offering #courland #latvia

Nancy Holden
 

October 1 - 14
"Exploring JewishGen - The Essential Jewish Resource"

Want to discover family research methodology and the hidden resources
of JewishGen? Want to learn how to search the leading resource for
Jewish genealogy? Want to learn to navigate your way through the
maze of JewishGen data collections?

This course is a series of exercises that will take you on a guided tour
of the paths and byways that make up JewishGen's massive website.
You will visit the links that connect the composite databases, projects,
SIGs, and open up the wonders of JewishGen.

Newbies, dabblers and serious researchers can benefit by using these
guided pointers. It requires 20 minutes a day, and a connection to
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The course does not require you to have started your genealogy.
It is for those who wish to grasp the intricacies of the JewishGen
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name of your immigrant town.

This course is not how to do your personal family research.

Enrollment is open. Click on the "enroll" hyperlink.
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There is a charge of $18 for the 2 week class.

Nancy Holden
Instructor


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia "Exploring JewishGen" New Class offering #courland #latvia

Nancy Holden
 

October 1 - 14
"Exploring JewishGen - The Essential Jewish Resource"

Want to discover family research methodology and the hidden resources
of JewishGen? Want to learn how to search the leading resource for
Jewish genealogy? Want to learn to navigate your way through the
maze of JewishGen data collections?

This course is a series of exercises that will take you on a guided tour
of the paths and byways that make up JewishGen's massive website.
You will visit the links that connect the composite databases, projects,
SIGs, and open up the wonders of JewishGen.

Newbies, dabblers and serious researchers can benefit by using these
guided pointers. It requires 20 minutes a day, and a connection to
the internet.

The course does not require you to have started your genealogy.
It is for those who wish to grasp the intricacies of the JewishGen
website. You do not need to know your original surname or the
name of your immigrant town.

This course is not how to do your personal family research.

Enrollment is open. Click on the "enroll" hyperlink.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Education/
There is a charge of $18 for the 2 week class.

Nancy Holden
Instructor


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica "Exploring JewishGen" New Class offering #southafrica

Nancy Holden
 

October 1 - 14
"Exploring JewishGen - The Essential Jewish Resource"

Want to discover family research methodology and the hidden resources
of JewishGen? Want to learn how to search the leading resource for
Jewish genealogy? Want to learn to navigate your way through the
maze of JewishGen data collections?

This course is a series of exercises that will take you on a guided tour
of the paths and byways that make up JewishGen's massive website.
You will visit the links that connect the composite databases, projects,
SIGs, and open up the wonders of JewishGen.

Newbies, dabblers and serious researchers can benefit by using these
guided pointers. It requires 20 minutes a day, and a connection to
the internet.

The course does not require you to have started your genealogy.
It is for those who wish to grasp the intricacies of the JewishGen
website. You do not need to know your original surname or the
name of your immigrant town.

This course is not how to do your personal family research.

Enrollment is open. Click on the "enroll" hyperlink.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Education/
There is a charge of $18 for the 2 week class.

Nancy Holden
Instructor


"Exploring JewishGen" New Class offering #southafrica

Nancy Holden
 

October 1 - 14
"Exploring JewishGen - The Essential Jewish Resource"

Want to discover family research methodology and the hidden resources
of JewishGen? Want to learn how to search the leading resource for
Jewish genealogy? Want to learn to navigate your way through the
maze of JewishGen data collections?

This course is a series of exercises that will take you on a guided tour
of the paths and byways that make up JewishGen's massive website.
You will visit the links that connect the composite databases, projects,
SIGs, and open up the wonders of JewishGen.

Newbies, dabblers and serious researchers can benefit by using these
guided pointers. It requires 20 minutes a day, and a connection to
the internet.

The course does not require you to have started your genealogy.
It is for those who wish to grasp the intricacies of the JewishGen
website. You do not need to know your original surname or the
name of your immigrant town.

This course is not how to do your personal family research.

Enrollment is open. Click on the "enroll" hyperlink.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Education/
There is a charge of $18 for the 2 week class.

Nancy Holden
Instructor


Re: Best DNA testing company? #dna

SVass <SVass@...>
 

What is the purpose for the research?
If the intent is for the submitter to obtain personal geneological
aid on an exploratory journey with cooperative other customers, then
FTDNA is the best. If the intent is to get a midrange overview of
one's genetic makeup along with some medical infomation, then 23andMe
is superior.
Ancestry sells a product that contains estimates and questionable
customer family trees.
Sam Vass, Kent, WA, USA

On Sep 19, 2012, Louis Kopolow wrote:

What do people think is the best testing operation for genetic
research---- FTDNA, 23 and me, or some other group


DNA Research #DNA Re: Best DNA testing company? #dna

SVass <SVass@...>
 

What is the purpose for the research?
If the intent is for the submitter to obtain personal geneological
aid on an exploratory journey with cooperative other customers, then
FTDNA is the best. If the intent is to get a midrange overview of
one's genetic makeup along with some medical infomation, then 23andMe
is superior.
Ancestry sells a product that contains estimates and questionable
customer family trees.
Sam Vass, Kent, WA, USA

On Sep 19, 2012, Louis Kopolow wrote:

What do people think is the best testing operation for genetic
research---- FTDNA, 23 and me, or some other group


"Exploring JewishGen" New Class offering #galicia

Nancy Holden
 

October 1 - 14
"Exploring JewishGen - The Essential Jewish Resource"

Want to discover family research methodology and the hidden resources
of JewishGen? Want to learn how to search the leading resource for Jewish
genealogy? Want to learn to navigate your way through the maze of
JewishGen data collections?

This course is a series of exercises that will take you on a guided tour of
the paths and byways that make up JewishGen's massive website. You will
visit the links that connect the composite databases, projects, SIGs, and
open up the wonders of JewishGen.

Newbies, dabblers and serious researchers can benefit by using these
guided pointers. It requires 20 minutes a day, and a connection to the
internet.

The course does not require you to have started your genealogy. It is for
those who wish to grasp the intricacies of the JewishGen website. You do
not need to know your original surname or the name of your immigrant
town.

This course is not how to do your personal family research.

Enrollment is open. Click on the "enroll" hyperlink.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Education/
There is a charge of $18 for the 2 week class.

Nancy Holden
Instructor


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia "Exploring JewishGen" New Class offering #galicia

Nancy Holden
 

October 1 - 14
"Exploring JewishGen - The Essential Jewish Resource"

Want to discover family research methodology and the hidden resources
of JewishGen? Want to learn how to search the leading resource for Jewish
genealogy? Want to learn to navigate your way through the maze of
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This course is a series of exercises that will take you on a guided tour of
the paths and byways that make up JewishGen's massive website. You will
visit the links that connect the composite databases, projects, SIGs, and
open up the wonders of JewishGen.

Newbies, dabblers and serious researchers can benefit by using these
guided pointers. It requires 20 minutes a day, and a connection to the
internet.

The course does not require you to have started your genealogy. It is for
those who wish to grasp the intricacies of the JewishGen website. You do
not need to know your original surname or the name of your immigrant
town.

This course is not how to do your personal family research.

Enrollment is open. Click on the "enroll" hyperlink.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Education/
There is a charge of $18 for the 2 week class.

Nancy Holden
Instructor


Subcarpathia SIG #Subcarpathia "Exploring JewishGen" New Class offering #subcarpathia

Nancy Holden
 

October 1 - 14
"Exploring JewishGen - The Essential Jewish Resource"

Want to discover family research methodology and the hidden resources
of JewishGen? Want to learn how to search the leading resource for
Jewish genealogy? Want to learn to navigate your way through the
maze of JewishGen data collections?

This course is a series of exercises that will take you on a guided tour
of the paths and byways that make up JewishGen's massive website.
You will visit the links that connect the composite databases, projects,
SIGs, and open up the wonders of JewishGen.

Newbies, dabblers and serious researchers can benefit by using these
guided pointers. It requires 20 minutes a day, and a connection to
the internet.

The course does not require you to have started your genealogy.
It is for those who wish to grasp the intricacies of the JewishGen
website. You do not need to know your original surname or the
name of your immigrant town.

This course is not how to do your personal family research.

Enrollment is open. Click on the "enroll" hyperlink.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Education/
There is a charge of $18 for the 2 week class.

Nancy Holden
Instructor


"Exploring JewishGen" New Class offering #subcarpathia

Nancy Holden
 

October 1 - 14
"Exploring JewishGen - The Essential Jewish Resource"

Want to discover family research methodology and the hidden resources
of JewishGen? Want to learn how to search the leading resource for
Jewish genealogy? Want to learn to navigate your way through the
maze of JewishGen data collections?

This course is a series of exercises that will take you on a guided tour
of the paths and byways that make up JewishGen's massive website.
You will visit the links that connect the composite databases, projects,
SIGs, and open up the wonders of JewishGen.

Newbies, dabblers and serious researchers can benefit by using these
guided pointers. It requires 20 minutes a day, and a connection to
the internet.

The course does not require you to have started your genealogy.
It is for those who wish to grasp the intricacies of the JewishGen
website. You do not need to know your original surname or the
name of your immigrant town.

This course is not how to do your personal family research.

Enrollment is open. Click on the "enroll" hyperlink.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Education/
There is a charge of $18 for the 2 week class.

Nancy Holden
Instructor


Re: Nanny BRUCK married to David COHN #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Allan:
The BRUCK family lived in Oels for only a short while. The records on
LDS 1184444 show that David BRUCK and family (including 16-year-old
Anna) moved there >from Neisse (now Nysa) in Feb. 1843 and moved to
Breslau (Wroclaw) a few months later. However, David's wife Babette
died in Oels in early 1844.

David COHN was a leather merchant in Oels. So was Marcus BRUCK, who
moved there >from Neisse in 1842. He moved "to his parents" in Breslau
in 1846.

I hope to have the Olesnica/Oels records up at JRI-Poland before too
long. Have fun with the many, many Nysa records there!

By the way, the sources for both Nysa and Olesnica are typed
transcriptions made in the 1930s >from originals now lost. So there's no
verifying this information beyond the transcription.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG Prussian
Poland Area Co-ordinator, JRI-Poland

On 9/19/2012 Allan Falk <allan@...> wrote:
My great-grandmother Rosalie COHN was the daughter of Nanny BRUCK and David
COHN in Oels (now Oslenica in Poland). But Rosalie was born in New York in
1849.
So it is possible that her parents also married in New York. It is
also possible that Nanny's last name was spelled BROOK or BROOKS, which is a
well-known name in New York.
If anybody knows of any Nanny BRUCK or BROOK I would be happy to learn
about it, I have not been able to find such a person >from the ordinary
sources such as family-search.


German SIG #Germany Re: Nanny BRUCK married to David COHN #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Allan:
The BRUCK family lived in Oels for only a short while. The records on
LDS 1184444 show that David BRUCK and family (including 16-year-old
Anna) moved there >from Neisse (now Nysa) in Feb. 1843 and moved to
Breslau (Wroclaw) a few months later. However, David's wife Babette
died in Oels in early 1844.

David COHN was a leather merchant in Oels. So was Marcus BRUCK, who
moved there >from Neisse in 1842. He moved "to his parents" in Breslau
in 1846.

I hope to have the Olesnica/Oels records up at JRI-Poland before too
long. Have fun with the many, many Nysa records there!

By the way, the sources for both Nysa and Olesnica are typed
transcriptions made in the 1930s >from originals now lost. So there's no
verifying this information beyond the transcription.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG Prussian
Poland Area Co-ordinator, JRI-Poland

On 9/19/2012 Allan Falk <allan@...> wrote:
My great-grandmother Rosalie COHN was the daughter of Nanny BRUCK and David
COHN in Oels (now Oslenica in Poland). But Rosalie was born in New York in
1849.
So it is possible that her parents also married in New York. It is
also possible that Nanny's last name was spelled BROOK or BROOKS, which is a
well-known name in New York.
If anybody knows of any Nanny BRUCK or BROOK I would be happy to learn
about it, I have not been able to find such a person >from the ordinary
sources such as family-search.

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