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ViewMate 37533 and 37535 translation request of two similar birth records - Polish #general

Michael Herzlich
 

I've posted two vital records for the births of Jente and Samuel Leon in
Bilina Wielka (near Sambor) on viewmate. The record for Jente appears as
entry 233 on the page. Samuel Leon is entry 122 on his page. The language
is most likely Polish based upon the dates of entry, but I am not sure.
Requesting translation of the columns for these two records which should
be similar as the parents are the same. The records appear to have been
updated in 1935, perhaps to reflect a civil marriage.

Surnames I see in the image are HERZLICH, TREIBER, KAMERMAN and GRAD

Responses can be directly added to the viewmate or reply to mherzlich@yahoo.com
The direct link for the viewmate images are:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=37533

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=37535

Thank you,
Michael Herzlich


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate 37533 and 37535 translation request of two similar birth records - Polish #general

Michael Herzlich
 

I've posted two vital records for the births of Jente and Samuel Leon in
Bilina Wielka (near Sambor) on viewmate. The record for Jente appears as
entry 233 on the page. Samuel Leon is entry 122 on his page. The language
is most likely Polish based upon the dates of entry, but I am not sure.
Requesting translation of the columns for these two records which should
be similar as the parents are the same. The records appear to have been
updated in 1935, perhaps to reflect a civil marriage.

Surnames I see in the image are HERZLICH, TREIBER, KAMERMAN and GRAD

Responses can be directly added to the viewmate or reply to mherzlich@yahoo.com
The direct link for the viewmate images are:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=37533

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=37535

Thank you,
Michael Herzlich


ViewMate Translation Request - Polish, For Hersch HASS #galicia

Alan Seid
 

Hi,

This is a birth record for Hersch HASS born 12 Sep 1905 in Nadworna.
Please help with providing a word-for-word translation >from Polish to
English for columns 10, 11, and 12. Please also provide the Polish text.

I've posted the images on ViewMate at the following address

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=37536

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you

Alan Seid


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate Translation Request - Polish, For Hersch HASS #galicia

Alan Seid
 

Hi,

This is a birth record for Hersch HASS born 12 Sep 1905 in Nadworna.
Please help with providing a word-for-word translation >from Polish to
English for columns 10, 11, and 12. Please also provide the Polish text.

I've posted the images on ViewMate at the following address

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=37536

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you

Alan Seid


ViewMate Translation Request - German, For Dwora HASS #galicia

Alan Seid
 

Hi,

This is a birth record for Dwora HASS born 01 Jun 1893 in Nadworna.
Please help with providing a word for word translation >from German to
English. Please also provide the German text. I only need the column 7.

I've posted the images on ViewMate at the following address

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=37507

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you

Alan Seid


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate Translation Request - German, For Dwora HASS #galicia

Alan Seid
 

Hi,

This is a birth record for Dwora HASS born 01 Jun 1893 in Nadworna.
Please help with providing a word for word translation >from German to
English. Please also provide the German text. I only need the column 7.

I've posted the images on ViewMate at the following address

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=37507

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you

Alan Seid


Re: Back dating recording in 1883 for births occuring 1848-1863? #galicia

Mark Jacobson
 

Dave,

This is actually a common situation for towns in Galicia. Many Jews in
Galicia did not have civil marriages (especially before 1900), and when
they did it was often later in life. The 1883 civil marriage registration
is not back dated, it is when it actually occurred. There was a religious
marriage years before, but that was not accepted as legal by the
Austrian authorities - the civil marriage had to occur with the
government recognized Rabbi and be recorded in the register. The
civil marriage would trigger a legitimization of all children previously
born to the couple, regardless of their current age. In many towns the
clerks would go back to old birth records and mark the children
legitimate. They would also create records for children who were born,
or died, often many years previously but were never registered. This
process to make the children legitimate through civil marriage allowed
the children to use their father's surname in legal situations like for
travel documents or business and to seek higher education.

Mark Jacobson
Past President, JGSPBCI
Boca Raton, FL

DOGULOV/DOVGALEVSKY - Belaya Tserkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Tripolye, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk/Lepel, Belarus; KOBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN/KAMMERMANN, WEGNER - Drohobycz, Galicia;
KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia; GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia

Dave Lewak <dave@krozeja.net> wrote:

... I'm trying to make sense of some odd records found for my
great-great-grandfather's, Simcha Winzelberg's, family, who lived in
Czchow near Brzesko in the 1800s. It looks like the records were made
in 1883, for births that occurred much earlier....

... I also have a marriage record for Kalman Winzelberg and Mindl
Silberstein, dated in 1883, where their ages are listed as 58 and 56,
respectively. This also looks like a back dating recording....

... Why were the birth dates recorded 20 years or later, all at once?
Why was the marriage of Kalman and Mindl recorded at the same time?....

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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Back dating recording in 1883 for births occuring 1848-1863? #galicia

Mark Jacobson
 

Dave,

This is actually a common situation for towns in Galicia. Many Jews in
Galicia did not have civil marriages (especially before 1900), and when
they did it was often later in life. The 1883 civil marriage registration
is not back dated, it is when it actually occurred. There was a religious
marriage years before, but that was not accepted as legal by the
Austrian authorities - the civil marriage had to occur with the
government recognized Rabbi and be recorded in the register. The
civil marriage would trigger a legitimization of all children previously
born to the couple, regardless of their current age. In many towns the
clerks would go back to old birth records and mark the children
legitimate. They would also create records for children who were born,
or died, often many years previously but were never registered. This
process to make the children legitimate through civil marriage allowed
the children to use their father's surname in legal situations like for
travel documents or business and to seek higher education.

Mark Jacobson
Past President, JGSPBCI
Boca Raton, FL

DOGULOV/DOVGALEVSKY - Belaya Tserkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Tripolye, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk/Lepel, Belarus; KOBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN/KAMMERMANN, WEGNER - Drohobycz, Galicia;
KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia; GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia

Dave Lewak <dave@krozeja.net> wrote:

... I'm trying to make sense of some odd records found for my
great-great-grandfather's, Simcha Winzelberg's, family, who lived in
Czchow near Brzesko in the 1800s. It looks like the records were made
in 1883, for births that occurred much earlier....

... I also have a marriage record for Kalman Winzelberg and Mindl
Silberstein, dated in 1883, where their ages are listed as 58 and 56,
respectively. This also looks like a back dating recording....

... Why were the birth dates recorded 20 years or later, all at once?
Why was the marriage of Kalman and Mindl recorded at the same time?....

MODERATOR NOTE: Extraneous text was deleted by the moderator. If
you hit "Reply" to respond to a message, please be sure to quote only
relevant parts of the original message and delete all the text below it.
Better yet: Rather than hit Reply, start a new message.


JGSLA: "Paper Love: Searching for the Girl My Grandfather Left Behind" Jan. 22 with Sarah Wildman #germany

Pamela Weisberger
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles invites you to our
upcoming program about love lost...and found...after WWII.

"Paper Love: Searching for the Girl My Grandfather Left Behind"
with author, Sarah Wildman

Embark on a profoundly personal journey with Sarah Wildman as she
discusses her acclaimed new memoir, described as "intimate and
mesmerizing" by Publisher's Weekly: an exploration into family
identity, myth, and memory. Part detective story, part love story,
"Paper Love" recounts the author's hunt for the lost love her
grandfather left behind when he fled pre-World War II Europe.
Obsessed, Wildman began a quest that lasted years and spanned
continents.

Years after her grandfather's death, journalist Sarah Wildman stumbled
upon a cache of his letters in a file labeled "Correspondence:
Patients A-G." What she found inside weren't dry medical histories;
instead what was written opened a path into the destroyed world that
was her family's prewar Vienna. One woman's letters stood out: those
from Valy--Valerie Scheftel. Her grandfather's lover who had remained
behind when he fled Europe six months after the Nazis annexed Austria.
Obsessed with Valy's story, Wildman began a quest that lasted years
and spanned continents. She discovered, to her shock, an entire world
of other people searching for the same woman. On in the course of
discovering Valy's ultimate fate, she was forced to reexamine the
story of her grandfather's triumphant escape and how this history fit
within her own life and in the process, she rescues a life seemingly
lost to history. For her research, Wildman was the first journalist
allowed to enter the International Tracing Service in Bad Arolsen,
Germany, formerly the last major unopened Holocaust archives in the
world.

Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:00PM
Skirball Cultural Center
2701 N Sepulveda Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90049

Book sale and signing after the presentation. Watch a BBC short video
introducing the book on our home page: http://www.jgsla.org (scroll
down) More info:
http://www.skirball.org/programs/readings-talks/wildman-paper-love.

Pamela Weisberger pweisberger@gmail.com
Program Chair , Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles


German SIG #Germany JGSLA: "Paper Love: Searching for the Girl My Grandfather Left Behind" Jan. 22 with Sarah Wildman #germany

Pamela Weisberger
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles invites you to our
upcoming program about love lost...and found...after WWII.

"Paper Love: Searching for the Girl My Grandfather Left Behind"
with author, Sarah Wildman

Embark on a profoundly personal journey with Sarah Wildman as she
discusses her acclaimed new memoir, described as "intimate and
mesmerizing" by Publisher's Weekly: an exploration into family
identity, myth, and memory. Part detective story, part love story,
"Paper Love" recounts the author's hunt for the lost love her
grandfather left behind when he fled pre-World War II Europe.
Obsessed, Wildman began a quest that lasted years and spanned
continents.

Years after her grandfather's death, journalist Sarah Wildman stumbled
upon a cache of his letters in a file labeled "Correspondence:
Patients A-G." What she found inside weren't dry medical histories;
instead what was written opened a path into the destroyed world that
was her family's prewar Vienna. One woman's letters stood out: those
from Valy--Valerie Scheftel. Her grandfather's lover who had remained
behind when he fled Europe six months after the Nazis annexed Austria.
Obsessed with Valy's story, Wildman began a quest that lasted years
and spanned continents. She discovered, to her shock, an entire world
of other people searching for the same woman. On in the course of
discovering Valy's ultimate fate, she was forced to reexamine the
story of her grandfather's triumphant escape and how this history fit
within her own life and in the process, she rescues a life seemingly
lost to history. For her research, Wildman was the first journalist
allowed to enter the International Tracing Service in Bad Arolsen,
Germany, formerly the last major unopened Holocaust archives in the
world.

Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:00PM
Skirball Cultural Center
2701 N Sepulveda Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90049

Book sale and signing after the presentation. Watch a BBC short video
introducing the book on our home page: http://www.jgsla.org (scroll
down) More info:
http://www.skirball.org/programs/readings-talks/wildman-paper-love.

Pamela Weisberger pweisberger@gmail.com
Program Chair , Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles


Maxine GLICK COHEN #ukraine

david <d.riseberg@...>
 

Hi Deb:
I don't know if this will help but, my aunt was born Zelda Ethel GLICK and
married Paul RICEBERG in MA. Her parents names were Samuel GLICK (b. 1897)
and Anna (b. 1899). I haven't had time to trace back that part of the tree
yet. If you find this connection in your tree, I would be interested to
hear about it.
David Riseberg
Central Falls, RI
Researching: Riseberg, Riceberg, Raisberg, Halon, Glick, Zithik, Zaichek,
Aaron, Freedman, Ferdman


Hi all,

My mother in law (Maxine Glick Cohen) wants to locate relatives. Her late
mother was Sarah Bolton. (Sarah's married last name was Glick) Sarah's
parents were Wolfgang and Lisa Botansky >from Nikoliav near Kiev and/or
Odessa. If anyone has family tree info please let me know. Thank you.

Deborah Stoloff
deb02762@hotmail.com =


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Maxine GLICK COHEN #ukraine

david <d.riseberg@...>
 

Hi Deb:
I don't know if this will help but, my aunt was born Zelda Ethel GLICK and
married Paul RICEBERG in MA. Her parents names were Samuel GLICK (b. 1897)
and Anna (b. 1899). I haven't had time to trace back that part of the tree
yet. If you find this connection in your tree, I would be interested to
hear about it.
David Riseberg
Central Falls, RI
Researching: Riseberg, Riceberg, Raisberg, Halon, Glick, Zithik, Zaichek,
Aaron, Freedman, Ferdman


Hi all,

My mother in law (Maxine Glick Cohen) wants to locate relatives. Her late
mother was Sarah Bolton. (Sarah's married last name was Glick) Sarah's
parents were Wolfgang and Lisa Botansky >from Nikoliav near Kiev and/or
Odessa. If anyone has family tree info please let me know. Thank you.

Deborah Stoloff
deb02762@hotmail.com =


ViewMate 37533 and 37535 translation request of two similar birth records - Polish #galicia

Michael Herzlich
 

I've posted two vital records for the births of Jente and Samuel Leon
in Bilina Wielka (near Sambor) on ViewMate. The record for Jente
appears as entry 233 on the page. Samuel Leon is entry 122 on his
page. The language is most likely Polish based upon the dates of
entry, but I am not sure. Requesting translation of the columns for
these two records which should be similar as the parents are the
same. The records appear to have been updated in 1935, perhaps
to reflect a civil marriage.

Surnames I see in the image are Herzlich, Treiber, Kamerman and
Grad.

Responses can be directly added to the ViewMate or reply to
mherzlich@yahoo.com. The direct links for the ViewMate
images are:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=37533

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=37535

Thank you,

Michael Herzlich


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate 37533 and 37535 translation request of two similar birth records - Polish #galicia

Michael Herzlich
 

I've posted two vital records for the births of Jente and Samuel Leon
in Bilina Wielka (near Sambor) on ViewMate. The record for Jente
appears as entry 233 on the page. Samuel Leon is entry 122 on his
page. The language is most likely Polish based upon the dates of
entry, but I am not sure. Requesting translation of the columns for
these two records which should be similar as the parents are the
same. The records appear to have been updated in 1935, perhaps
to reflect a civil marriage.

Surnames I see in the image are Herzlich, Treiber, Kamerman and
Grad.

Responses can be directly added to the ViewMate or reply to
mherzlich@yahoo.com. The direct links for the ViewMate
images are:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=37533

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=37535

Thank you,

Michael Herzlich


**Correction**: Mamaliga Blues in NY #general

Cassio Tolpolar <mamaligablues@...>
 

The screening of Mamaliga Blues at Fordham University on 1/22, 7PM,
was moved to a better screening room. Same location, but now at the
South Lounge, on the Plaza Level through the cafeteria in the
Lowenstein Building. Entrance through 113 W 60th Street, cross street
is Columbus Ave.

Hope to see some of you there!
Cassio Tolpolar
www.facebook.com/mamaligablues
www.mamaligablues.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen **Correction**: Mamaliga Blues in NY #general

Cassio Tolpolar <mamaligablues@...>
 

The screening of Mamaliga Blues at Fordham University on 1/22, 7PM,
was moved to a better screening room. Same location, but now at the
South Lounge, on the Plaza Level through the cafeteria in the
Lowenstein Building. Entrance through 113 W 60th Street, cross street
is Columbus Ave.

Hope to see some of you there!
Cassio Tolpolar
www.facebook.com/mamaligablues
www.mamaligablues.com


IDEL from Bara #general

glezmah@...
 

Will the person who contacted me on thee above name, please write to me again
as I have information for you now. Sincerely,

Arlene Edwards
Glezmah@cox.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IDEL from Bara #general

glezmah@...
 

Will the person who contacted me on thee above name, please write to me again
as I have information for you now. Sincerely,

Arlene Edwards
Glezmah@cox.net


Looking for Sztejnbok in Chorzele, Plock Gubernia - request for document translation #lodz #poland

Eric Steinbock <boffy722@...>
 

I am researching a Sztejnbok family members found in a JRI-Poland database
at Chorzele who may be my great-grandfather.

His birth record is posted to ViewMate in Polish for which I need a
translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address
...http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM37508

His marriage record, apparently in Russian, is also posted to ViewMate at
the following address
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM37441

In particular, we are looking for the actual dates and the names of any
parent (and other relatives) that may be mentioned in the records.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Eric Steinbock

boffy722@gmail.com
JewishGen ID 597398


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Looking for Sztejnbok in Chorzele, Plock Gubernia - request for document translation #lodz #poland

Eric Steinbock <boffy722@...>
 

I am researching a Sztejnbok family members found in a JRI-Poland database
at Chorzele who may be my great-grandfather.

His birth record is posted to ViewMate in Polish for which I need a
translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address
...http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM37508

His marriage record, apparently in Russian, is also posted to ViewMate at
the following address
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM37441

In particular, we are looking for the actual dates and the names of any
parent (and other relatives) that may be mentioned in the records.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Eric Steinbock

boffy722@gmail.com
JewishGen ID 597398

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