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Re: Looking for records from Narol, Galicia #galicia

Phyllis Kramer
 

Joseph Walder posted:

<<My WALDER ancestors came >from the village of Narol, now in southeast
Poland near the Ukraine border. I have been unable to determine whether
there are any Jewish vital records for Narol. I suspect that if there are,
they are consolidated with records of a larger town, but which town that
might be remains a mystery. If anyone has succeeded in finding vital
records for Narol, please pass along where you found it. Many thanks.>>

Joseph... I went to RTR foundation and found only immigration and voter
lists in the Polish archives. Depending on the dates, they may be of
interest to you.

I tried the LDS catalog too. They have a microfilm on Narol school
records, which might be accessible at a local family history center.

The Polish state archives (Pradziad database) lists Narol birth, marriage
and death records -- Catholic and mostly >from the 1800s. See
http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=en

When I queried Narol on JewishGen's community pages and checked the
nearby towns, the biggest Jewish town nearby was Tomascow Lubelski.

When I checked Gesher Galicia's database, there were also records for
Narol, and the town locator showed the administrative district as
Cieszanow and the Jewish administrative district as Lipsko (town 1 mile
away).

I tried JewishGen's country database and saw a few records. Also many
interesting links on the "search website" (under the about us oval). But
best, many on JRI-Poland. There are no blocks of town records for Narol,
but many for folks >from Narol but living elsewhere. I actually saw a birth
record in Olesycze in 1903 for Aron Leiser Walder, son of Maks >from Narol.

And a great source... Google. Look at google for Narol + genealogy + Jewish.

Have you thought of creating a KehilaLinks page and asking the other
researchers (>from the JewishGen FamilyFinder) if they have anything to
contribute? That worked for me a little further south... Krosno, Dukla,
Nowy Zmigrod, Rymanow, Rohatyn, Dubiecko, Strzyzow, Jasienica. Many
folks sent me interesting material >from the towns which I added to the pages.

By the way, I am working on a course in Galician Research (target third
quarter) to review history, records and the many sources on the internet;
this would include one on one assistance for a chosen Galician branch.

Hope this helps.

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P. Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education

Researching (all Galicia)
... KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
... SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
... LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
... STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
Family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm

MODERATOR NOTE - Links to the great sources that Phyllis explored:

FamilySearch Catalog
https://www.familysearch.org/catalog/search

Gesher Galicia's All Galicia Database
https://search.geshergalicia.org/

Gesher Galicia's Galician Town Locator
https://www.geshergalicia.org/galician-town-locator/

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
http://jri-poland.org/jriplweb.htm

JewishGen Communities Database
https://www.jewishgen.org/communities/search.asp

JewishGen KehilaLinks
https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org

JewishGen Poland Database
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

JewishGen Website Search
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/Search.asp

Pradziad Database (Polish State Archives)
http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=en
https://www.archiwa.gov.pl/pl/en/databases/2398-vital-records-and-civil-registers-pradziad

Routes to Roots Foundation
http://www.rtrfoundation.org/index.shtml


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia re: Looking for records from Narol, Galicia #galicia

Phyllis Kramer
 

Joseph Walder posted:

<<My WALDER ancestors came >from the village of Narol, now in southeast
Poland near the Ukraine border. I have been unable to determine whether
there are any Jewish vital records for Narol. I suspect that if there are,
they are consolidated with records of a larger town, but which town that
might be remains a mystery. If anyone has succeeded in finding vital
records for Narol, please pass along where you found it. Many thanks.>>

Joseph... I went to RTR foundation and found only immigration and voter
lists in the Polish archives. Depending on the dates, they may be of
interest to you.

I tried the LDS catalog too. They have a microfilm on Narol school
records, which might be accessible at a local family history center.

The Polish state archives (Pradziad database) lists Narol birth, marriage
and death records -- Catholic and mostly >from the 1800s. See
http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=en

When I queried Narol on JewishGen's community pages and checked the
nearby towns, the biggest Jewish town nearby was Tomascow Lubelski.

When I checked Gesher Galicia's database, there were also records for
Narol, and the town locator showed the administrative district as
Cieszanow and the Jewish administrative district as Lipsko (town 1 mile
away).

I tried JewishGen's country database and saw a few records. Also many
interesting links on the "search website" (under the about us oval). But
best, many on JRI-Poland. There are no blocks of town records for Narol,
but many for folks >from Narol but living elsewhere. I actually saw a birth
record in Olesycze in 1903 for Aron Leiser Walder, son of Maks >from Narol.

And a great source... Google. Look at google for Narol + genealogy + Jewish.

Have you thought of creating a KehilaLinks page and asking the other
researchers (>from the JewishGen FamilyFinder) if they have anything to
contribute? That worked for me a little further south... Krosno, Dukla,
Nowy Zmigrod, Rymanow, Rohatyn, Dubiecko, Strzyzow, Jasienica. Many
folks sent me interesting material >from the towns which I added to the pages.

By the way, I am working on a course in Galician Research (target third
quarter) to review history, records and the many sources on the internet;
this would include one on one assistance for a chosen Galician branch.

Hope this helps.

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P. Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education

Researching (all Galicia)
... KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
... SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
... LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
... STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
Family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm

MODERATOR NOTE - Links to the great sources that Phyllis explored:

FamilySearch Catalog
https://www.familysearch.org/catalog/search

Gesher Galicia's All Galicia Database
https://search.geshergalicia.org/

Gesher Galicia's Galician Town Locator
https://www.geshergalicia.org/galician-town-locator/

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
http://jri-poland.org/jriplweb.htm

JewishGen Communities Database
https://www.jewishgen.org/communities/search.asp

JewishGen KehilaLinks
https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org

JewishGen Poland Database
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

JewishGen Website Search
https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/Search.asp

Pradziad Database (Polish State Archives)
http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=en
https://www.archiwa.gov.pl/pl/en/databases/2398-vital-records-and-civil-registers-pradziad

Routes to Roots Foundation
http://www.rtrfoundation.org/index.shtml


Seeking French Naturalization Papers #france

Abby Menashe
 

Bernard Toporovski was naturalized in France in 1910. He, along with
his wife (maiden name Orzechowski) and 3 children came to France from
Bielitz, Russia. Looking to get naturalization papers. I understand
they can only be obtained in person. Know of anyone willing to do
this for me? His wife is my great aunt.

--
Abby Menashe
amenashe@gmail.com


French SIG #France Seeking French Naturalization Papers #france

Abby Menashe
 

Bernard Toporovski was naturalized in France in 1910. He, along with
his wife (maiden name Orzechowski) and 3 children came to France from
Bielitz, Russia. Looking to get naturalization papers. I understand
they can only be obtained in person. Know of anyone willing to do
this for me? His wife is my great aunt.

--
Abby Menashe
amenashe@gmail.com


Re: Pavlov #lithuania

Arnold Koslow <brooklyncowboy@...>
 

Scott

On doing a Jewish Gen communities search onPavlov found the below
which is probably the town you are looking for.

Modern Town & Country
Pavlovo Pavlovo, Belarus
52 51' N 24 55' E
131 miles SW of Minsk
Other Names
Pavlovo [Rus], Pawlowo [Pol], Pavlova [Yid], Pawlava [Bel], Puzovichi,
Odynowszczyzna

c. 1950 After WWII Town / Country
Pavlovo Soviet Union

c. 1930 Between Wars Town / District /Province / Country
Pawlowo Kossow Polesie Poland

c. 1900 Before WWI Town / District /Province / Country
Pavlovo Slonim Grodno Russian Empire


If you haven't already, I would search the data bases for Belarus,
Lithuania, and Poland to see if you can find info on birth record
and revision lists.

If you haven't already, you also may want to provide via the
mailing list your ancestors names as best known as you may get
some help via that route.

Good Luck

Arnie

Subject: Parlov/Povlov, Russia ??
From: Scott Familant
a) Does anyone know where "Parlov/Povlov, Russia(?)" is?
My paternal grandmother was apparently born there in 1915, but lived
in Kedainiai most of her life before emigrating to the US in 1937. I
assume it's somewhere in the area in Lithuania, which was part of the
Russian Empire when my grandmother was born.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Pavlov #lithuania

Arnold Koslow <brooklyncowboy@...>
 

Scott

On doing a Jewish Gen communities search onPavlov found the below
which is probably the town you are looking for.

Modern Town & Country
Pavlovo Pavlovo, Belarus
52 51' N 24 55' E
131 miles SW of Minsk
Other Names
Pavlovo [Rus], Pawlowo [Pol], Pavlova [Yid], Pawlava [Bel], Puzovichi,
Odynowszczyzna

c. 1950 After WWII Town / Country
Pavlovo Soviet Union

c. 1930 Between Wars Town / District /Province / Country
Pawlowo Kossow Polesie Poland

c. 1900 Before WWI Town / District /Province / Country
Pavlovo Slonim Grodno Russian Empire


If you haven't already, I would search the data bases for Belarus,
Lithuania, and Poland to see if you can find info on birth record
and revision lists.

If you haven't already, you also may want to provide via the
mailing list your ancestors names as best known as you may get
some help via that route.

Good Luck

Arnie

Subject: Parlov/Povlov, Russia ??
From: Scott Familant
a) Does anyone know where "Parlov/Povlov, Russia(?)" is?
My paternal grandmother was apparently born there in 1915, but lived
in Kedainiai most of her life before emigrating to the US in 1937. I
assume it's somewhere in the area in Lithuania, which was part of the
Russian Empire when my grandmother was born.


Help on finding location #lithuania

Julian & Sharon Peerutin
 

Hi,

According to a record I found, my great grandfather was born in Novo
Hercandrask, Kovno Gov, Russia. Can anyone tell me where this?

Thanks

Julian Peerutin
Kfar Saba, Israel

Researching
VELER/WELLER & SARFINOVICH/SHARFINOWITZ Linkuva/Kupiskis, Lithuania;
CINDEL/TSINDEL Kupiskis, Lithuania; LEVIN Rokiskis/Kupiskis, Lithuania;
PICK/PINK/PEEK Birz, Lithuania; DIAMOND / ORELASKY Siluva, Lithuania; DRUKER
/ PENN Dvinsk, Latvia; HIRSCHSOHN / LEVENBERG / LEVINSOHN / MANDELSTAMM
Kuldiga/Pilten/Liepaja, Latvia; KALMEK/KALMANOVICH Rokiskis/Druyah,
Lithuania; Braslav, Belarus; Dvinsk, Latvia; NYMAN/NEIMAN Poland;
PEERUTIN/PIRUTIN Kraslava/Dvinsk, Latvia; Vitebsk, Belarus


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Help on finding location #lithuania

Julian & Sharon Peerutin
 

Hi,

According to a record I found, my great grandfather was born in Novo
Hercandrask, Kovno Gov, Russia. Can anyone tell me where this?

Thanks

Julian Peerutin
Kfar Saba, Israel

Researching
VELER/WELLER & SARFINOVICH/SHARFINOWITZ Linkuva/Kupiskis, Lithuania;
CINDEL/TSINDEL Kupiskis, Lithuania; LEVIN Rokiskis/Kupiskis, Lithuania;
PICK/PINK/PEEK Birz, Lithuania; DIAMOND / ORELASKY Siluva, Lithuania; DRUKER
/ PENN Dvinsk, Latvia; HIRSCHSOHN / LEVENBERG / LEVINSOHN / MANDELSTAMM
Kuldiga/Pilten/Liepaja, Latvia; KALMEK/KALMANOVICH Rokiskis/Druyah,
Lithuania; Braslav, Belarus; Dvinsk, Latvia; NYMAN/NEIMAN Poland;
PEERUTIN/PIRUTIN Kraslava/Dvinsk, Latvia; Vitebsk, Belarus


Translation request Polish PASTERNAK - KAPLAN #poland

bernerfolk
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I'd appreciate
translation, unfortunately I've lost several days since the document
went up on viewmate. It's an 1857 marriage record >from Ciechanowiec
and can be found on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM64644

The copy posted isn't great, the original scan can be viewed on
the PSA website,
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/4/544/0/-/18/str/1/2/15#tabSkany
file is the first one at the top left, 16.jpg.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application
or privately,

Thank you,
Sherri Venditti.


JRI Poland #Poland Translation request Polish PASTERNAK - KAPLAN #poland

bernerfolk
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I'd appreciate
translation, unfortunately I've lost several days since the document
went up on viewmate. It's an 1857 marriage record >from Ciechanowiec
and can be found on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM64644

The copy posted isn't great, the original scan can be viewed on
the PSA website,
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/4/544/0/-/18/str/1/2/15#tabSkany
file is the first one at the top left, 16.jpg.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application
or privately,

Thank you,
Sherri Venditti.


Litwak #galicia

Henry Gruder <henrygruder@...>
 

Dear Galicia Researchers,

In June 1895 on the board of the ship Veendam >from Rotterdam arrived to
NY Ellis Island David Litwak, 43 years old, born in Russian / Ukrainian shtetl.

With him was 21 years old Hersh Litwak, probably his nephew, and my
maternal grandfather. Hersh was born in 1874 in a town of Talnoye, son of
Mordka and Sosha Litwak. With them there was also 19 years old Chaje
Litwak (perhaps sister of Hersh).

All I know that Hersh returned to Galicia (now Ukraine), since ten years
later his eldest son (and my uncle) was born in Letychiv, then my Mother
(in Zagrobela, near Tarnopol), and in 1910 my younger uncle in Dyczkow
(near Tarnopol).

Whether the other two persons returned with him and what happened to
them I have no clue. I did not find anything in the naturalization records
(but only few were available). If they returned to Russia should any record
exist? Like the boat Manifest, but **from** USA?

I have spent many years in vain searching for them. I would appreciate any
suggestion.

Many thanks in advance,
Henry Gruder


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Litwak #galicia

Henry Gruder <henrygruder@...>
 

Dear Galicia Researchers,

In June 1895 on the board of the ship Veendam >from Rotterdam arrived to
NY Ellis Island David Litwak, 43 years old, born in Russian / Ukrainian shtetl.

With him was 21 years old Hersh Litwak, probably his nephew, and my
maternal grandfather. Hersh was born in 1874 in a town of Talnoye, son of
Mordka and Sosha Litwak. With them there was also 19 years old Chaje
Litwak (perhaps sister of Hersh).

All I know that Hersh returned to Galicia (now Ukraine), since ten years
later his eldest son (and my uncle) was born in Letychiv, then my Mother
(in Zagrobela, near Tarnopol), and in 1910 my younger uncle in Dyczkow
(near Tarnopol).

Whether the other two persons returned with him and what happened to
them I have no clue. I did not find anything in the naturalization records
(but only few were available). If they returned to Russia should any record
exist? Like the boat Manifest, but **from** USA?

I have spent many years in vain searching for them. I would appreciate any
suggestion.

Many thanks in advance,
Henry Gruder


Re: Looking for records from Narol, Galicia #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Joseph Walder wrote:

My WALDER ancestors came >from the village of Narol, now in southeast
Poland near the Ukraine border. I have been unable to determine whether
there are any Jewish vital records for Narol. I suspect that if there
are, they are consolidated with records of a larger town, but which town
that might be remains a mystery. If anyone has succeeded in finding
vital records for Narol, please pass along where you found it. Many
thanks.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Joseph,

There is no mystery about the "larger town". This town was Lubaczow,
the district's capital, where Narol was located.

Lubaczow records, with the notable exception of the births records
for the short period of 1857-1876, didn't survive.

There are 500 entries related to town Narol in the JRI-P database; the
majority of those entries are within Lwow Province for such larger
towns in Lubaczow's vicinity as Sokal, Rawa Ruska, Uhnow and Zolkiew.

In JRI-P database at

http://jri-poland.org/jriplweb.htm

Select "town" entry in the "data type" window.

Another location of Narol's names is 1929 Poland Business Directory at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/1929/loadtop.htm?0742 and
http://data.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/1929/loadtop.htm?0743

Hope this helps,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

MODERATOR NOTE: To search the 1929 Polish Business Directory
for another town, go to http://jri-poland.org/bizdir/bd1929.htm .


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Looking for records from Narol, Galicia #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Joseph Walder wrote:

My WALDER ancestors came >from the village of Narol, now in southeast
Poland near the Ukraine border. I have been unable to determine whether
there are any Jewish vital records for Narol. I suspect that if there
are, they are consolidated with records of a larger town, but which town
that might be remains a mystery. If anyone has succeeded in finding
vital records for Narol, please pass along where you found it. Many
thanks.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Joseph,

There is no mystery about the "larger town". This town was Lubaczow,
the district's capital, where Narol was located.

Lubaczow records, with the notable exception of the births records
for the short period of 1857-1876, didn't survive.

There are 500 entries related to town Narol in the JRI-P database; the
majority of those entries are within Lwow Province for such larger
towns in Lubaczow's vicinity as Sokal, Rawa Ruska, Uhnow and Zolkiew.

In JRI-P database at

http://jri-poland.org/jriplweb.htm

Select "town" entry in the "data type" window.

Another location of Narol's names is 1929 Poland Business Directory at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/1929/loadtop.htm?0742 and
http://data.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/1929/loadtop.htm?0743

Hope this helps,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

MODERATOR NOTE: To search the 1929 Polish Business Directory
for another town, go to http://jri-poland.org/bizdir/bd1929.htm .


JewishGen: Complex Genealogy in the U.S. Course beginning March 23 #romania

Phyllis Kramer
 

Looking for someone in the U.S.?
If despite basic online research you have not yet found the Hebrew
names, birth year or town for your U.S. immigrant, consider a focus on
the more complex documents our ancestors generated including
Naturalization, Passports, Death Records (Probate, Obituaries,
Cemeteries), Newspapers, City Directories, Immigration Ports other
than Ellis Island, Major Archives and Libraries, Military and
Government Records.
We're proud of our Education FORUM where students are encouraged to
post one ancestral branch, and the instructor will respond with
answers to questions and suggestions on avenues to research; this
monthlong personal Mentoring process is unique and quite valuable.

Please see the description for requirements, dates and tuition at
https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40105 .

If you have questions email the instructor at
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org.
Phyllis Kramer, Vice President, Education, JewishGen
Web Site: https://www.jewishgen.org/education


Romania SIG #Romania JewishGen: Complex Genealogy in the U.S. Course beginning March 23 #romania

Phyllis Kramer
 

Looking for someone in the U.S.?
If despite basic online research you have not yet found the Hebrew
names, birth year or town for your U.S. immigrant, consider a focus on
the more complex documents our ancestors generated including
Naturalization, Passports, Death Records (Probate, Obituaries,
Cemeteries), Newspapers, City Directories, Immigration Ports other
than Ellis Island, Major Archives and Libraries, Military and
Government Records.
We're proud of our Education FORUM where students are encouraged to
post one ancestral branch, and the instructor will respond with
answers to questions and suggestions on avenues to research; this
monthlong personal Mentoring process is unique and quite valuable.

Please see the description for requirements, dates and tuition at
https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40105 .

If you have questions email the instructor at
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org.
Phyllis Kramer, Vice President, Education, JewishGen
Web Site: https://www.jewishgen.org/education


Immigration to U.K. #general

 

Dear Jeff,

You might find some extra pointers in this blog post I wrote about sources
of information about UK immigration:

http://researchroots.co.uk/uk-immigration-records/

Best wishes,
Naomi Leon
Brighton, UK

-----Original Message-----

From: "Jeff Feinberg" <jhf228@optonline.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 17:31:57 -0500

Does anyone know if there are ship manifests arriving in Palestine 1800's,
or any other source of arrivals?
My family arrived sometime in the 1800's.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Immigration to U.K. #general

 

Dear Jeff,

You might find some extra pointers in this blog post I wrote about sources
of information about UK immigration:

http://researchroots.co.uk/uk-immigration-records/

Best wishes,
Naomi Leon
Brighton, UK

-----Original Message-----

From: "Jeff Feinberg" <jhf228@optonline.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 17:31:57 -0500

Does anyone know if there are ship manifests arriving in Palestine 1800's,
or any other source of arrivals?
My family arrived sometime in the 1800's.


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

Here are two often humorous accounts >from the Yizkor book of Yedintzi
(Edinet) Bessarabia about two of the common occupations for Jews in
the shtetls - butchers and water carriers. The butchers, aside >from
supplying their wares to customers, "themselves used to like feasting
and enjoying meals with varenikes, meat-filled knishes, and dairy
bagels that used to swim in oil or butter. They themselves were broad-
shouldered, with stuffed bellies and their wives were also rolly-polly,
heavy-set." As for the water carriers, "their water-carrying was
dramatic. During the winter frosts long icicles would hang down >from
their barrels and cans, just as they did >from the roofs." They also had
to deal with young pranksters who would like to sneak up on them and
pull the cork >from their barrels.

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/1692369717451843

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow (http://bit.ly/2nOj336), Kovel (http://bit.ly/2Edyg3Q)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

Here are two often humorous accounts >from the Yizkor book of Yedintzi
(Edinet) Bessarabia about two of the common occupations for Jews in
the shtetls - butchers and water carriers. The butchers, aside >from
supplying their wares to customers, "themselves used to like feasting
and enjoying meals with varenikes, meat-filled knishes, and dairy
bagels that used to swim in oil or butter. They themselves were broad-
shouldered, with stuffed bellies and their wives were also rolly-polly,
heavy-set." As for the water carriers, "their water-carrying was
dramatic. During the winter frosts long icicles would hang down >from
their barrels and cans, just as they did >from the roofs." They also had
to deal with young pranksters who would like to sneak up on them and
pull the cork >from their barrels.

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/1692369717451843

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow (http://bit.ly/2nOj336), Kovel (http://bit.ly/2Edyg3Q)

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