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Conscriptio Judaeorum 1725-1775 #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

The FHL has the Conscriptiones Judaeorum for 1725-1775 on seven
films--Europe Film Area 1529693 through 1529699. According to the catalog
entry, info includes the name of the head of house, sometimes wife's and
children's, sometimes just number of family members, number of servants and
their religion, name of landlord on whose land they lived, possessions and
taxes assessed. Arranged by alphabetical order of counties but the latin
spelling of county names if often quite different >from original and
commonly known Hungarian spelling. Like the 1828 census, unless you know
family names already, this data is difficult to use because no surnames are
given.

I have not yet used this information. Would be helpful to know which
counties are included. The catalog says that most of the recoreds are from
areas that are in presentday Hungary, Slovakia, subcarpathian Ukraine, and
Burgenland.

Vivian Kahn


Melody Gross wrote:


Has this Jewish census of 1735-1738 survived? Are people listed by towns?
Are Jews listed w/o surnames? probably.

Does anyone currently have access to this census? If not, where is a copy
available?

Are the Jewish censuses of 1785 and 1787 available? Where? Are people
listed by towns? Anyone into these now?

I appreciate all of your continued help--

Melody Amsel Gross
sunny Beersheva, Israel


*Re: Conscripto Judeorum #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Here is a list of some censuses you can find at the LDS-FHC library:
(by courtesy of Maureen T. B.)

Conscriptiones Judaeorum LDS #:
film # year
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
1529693 census of 1725-8
1529694 census of 1735
1529695 census of 1753
1529696 census of 1770-1
1529697 census of 1770-1, 1773-4
1529698 census of 1754, 1773-4
1529699 census of 1774
0623114 = census of 1828 <-- type this number and you will get a screen which
is the entry to all counties which have been
filmed. About 370 films!


at 29/10/98 - 06:18 -0200, melody gross wrote:

Has this Jewish census of 1735-1738 survived? Are people listed by towns?
Are Jews listed w/o surnames? probably.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Conscriptio Judaeorum 1725-1775 #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

The FHL has the Conscriptiones Judaeorum for 1725-1775 on seven
films--Europe Film Area 1529693 through 1529699. According to the catalog
entry, info includes the name of the head of house, sometimes wife's and
children's, sometimes just number of family members, number of servants and
their religion, name of landlord on whose land they lived, possessions and
taxes assessed. Arranged by alphabetical order of counties but the latin
spelling of county names if often quite different >from original and
commonly known Hungarian spelling. Like the 1828 census, unless you know
family names already, this data is difficult to use because no surnames are
given.

I have not yet used this information. Would be helpful to know which
counties are included. The catalog says that most of the recoreds are from
areas that are in presentday Hungary, Slovakia, subcarpathian Ukraine, and
Burgenland.

Vivian Kahn


Melody Gross wrote:


Has this Jewish census of 1735-1738 survived? Are people listed by towns?
Are Jews listed w/o surnames? probably.

Does anyone currently have access to this census? If not, where is a copy
available?

Are the Jewish censuses of 1785 and 1787 available? Where? Are people
listed by towns? Anyone into these now?

I appreciate all of your continued help--

Melody Amsel Gross
sunny Beersheva, Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary *Re: Conscripto Judeorum #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Here is a list of some censuses you can find at the LDS-FHC library:
(by courtesy of Maureen T. B.)

Conscriptiones Judaeorum LDS #:
film # year
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
1529693 census of 1725-8
1529694 census of 1735
1529695 census of 1753
1529696 census of 1770-1
1529697 census of 1770-1, 1773-4
1529698 census of 1754, 1773-4
1529699 census of 1774
0623114 = census of 1828 <-- type this number and you will get a screen which
is the entry to all counties which have been
filmed. About 370 films!


at 29/10/98 - 06:18 -0200, melody gross wrote:

Has this Jewish census of 1735-1738 survived? Are people listed by towns?
Are Jews listed w/o surnames? probably.


Conscripito Judeorum (fwd) #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

melody gross <melody@gimby.save-net.co.il> 1998.10.29. 10:18:53 +2h-kor irta:

Dear Melody,

Let me make my answer public, since, I hope, it may be subject of general
interest.

@ Has this Jewish census of 1735-1738 survived?

Not only it survived, but was published in:

Monumenta Hungariae Judaica. Magyar-Zsido Okleveltar. Vol. VII. Ed. Grunwald
Fulop and Sandor Scheiber. Budapest, 1963. 864.p.

It includes the following chapters:
1. Preface: Grunwald Fulop and Sandor Scheiber, Settlement of Hungarian Jews
in the first half of the XVIIIth Century.
2. Intoduction: Gyozo Ember, National Conscriptions of Hungarian Jews in the first
half of the XVIIIth Century.
3. Jewish Conscriptions of 1725-1726
4. Jewish Conscriptions of 1727-1728
5, Jewish Conscriptions of 1735-1739
6, Jewish Conscriptions of 1743-1745
7. Jewish Conscriptions of 1746-1748
Index (to place, but not names).

@ Are people listed by towns?

Lists are by old counties (varmegye), then in order of towns, villages, hamlets (not
separately).

@ Are Jews listed w/o surnames? probably.

They are listed by old names. E.g. in Slavic speaking areas (East Hungary), name
and fathers's name plus -ovics: Abraham Herskovics, Volff Zelmanovics, Markus
Samsonovics.
In German speaking areas (W.Hungary): name and father's name: Lebl Mojses,
Wolfgangus Izrael, Salamon Michll. Sometimes occupation is given: Ebedt
Fleischhaker, Cain Schreiber, Tretsll Sneider, place of origin: Isaac Turkischer,
Hirsl Hollesan, Jommel Slezinger. Some have Hungarian surnames: Jacob
Kossuth (Vag Ujhel-Vagujhely), Abraham Voros, Slovak surnames: Wolff Vlcsek,
Abraham Viszoky, Hersl Midlac.

@ Does anyone currently have access to this census?

I have this book, if you need look up, write me!

@ Are the Jewish censuses of 1785 and 1787 available? Where? Are people
listed by towns? Anyone into these now?

I think that has not been published yet. The Jewish Consription of 1767/1768 was
published in:

Monumenta Hungariae Judaica. Magyar-Zsido Okleveltar. Vol. XVI. Ed. Sandor
Scheiber. Budapest, 1974. 566.p.

The order of lists is the same as above.

Gyuri
--
Ujlaki Gyorgy
Budapest, Hungary
ujlaki.gyorgy@drotposta.hu
ujlaki_gyorgy@hotmail.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Conscripito Judeorum (fwd) #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

melody gross <melody@gimby.save-net.co.il> 1998.10.29. 10:18:53 +2h-kor irta:

Dear Melody,

Let me make my answer public, since, I hope, it may be subject of general
interest.

@ Has this Jewish census of 1735-1738 survived?

Not only it survived, but was published in:

Monumenta Hungariae Judaica. Magyar-Zsido Okleveltar. Vol. VII. Ed. Grunwald
Fulop and Sandor Scheiber. Budapest, 1963. 864.p.

It includes the following chapters:
1. Preface: Grunwald Fulop and Sandor Scheiber, Settlement of Hungarian Jews
in the first half of the XVIIIth Century.
2. Intoduction: Gyozo Ember, National Conscriptions of Hungarian Jews in the first
half of the XVIIIth Century.
3. Jewish Conscriptions of 1725-1726
4. Jewish Conscriptions of 1727-1728
5, Jewish Conscriptions of 1735-1739
6, Jewish Conscriptions of 1743-1745
7. Jewish Conscriptions of 1746-1748
Index (to place, but not names).

@ Are people listed by towns?

Lists are by old counties (varmegye), then in order of towns, villages, hamlets (not
separately).

@ Are Jews listed w/o surnames? probably.

They are listed by old names. E.g. in Slavic speaking areas (East Hungary), name
and fathers's name plus -ovics: Abraham Herskovics, Volff Zelmanovics, Markus
Samsonovics.
In German speaking areas (W.Hungary): name and father's name: Lebl Mojses,
Wolfgangus Izrael, Salamon Michll. Sometimes occupation is given: Ebedt
Fleischhaker, Cain Schreiber, Tretsll Sneider, place of origin: Isaac Turkischer,
Hirsl Hollesan, Jommel Slezinger. Some have Hungarian surnames: Jacob
Kossuth (Vag Ujhel-Vagujhely), Abraham Voros, Slovak surnames: Wolff Vlcsek,
Abraham Viszoky, Hersl Midlac.

@ Does anyone currently have access to this census?

I have this book, if you need look up, write me!

@ Are the Jewish censuses of 1785 and 1787 available? Where? Are people
listed by towns? Anyone into these now?

I think that has not been published yet. The Jewish Consription of 1767/1768 was
published in:

Monumenta Hungariae Judaica. Magyar-Zsido Okleveltar. Vol. XVI. Ed. Sandor
Scheiber. Budapest, 1974. 566.p.

The order of lists is the same as above.

Gyuri
--
Ujlaki Gyorgy
Budapest, Hungary
ujlaki.gyorgy@drotposta.hu
ujlaki_gyorgy@hotmail.com


List of Jewish refugees who died while being transported to Sweden #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

This list is >from the book "6 thousend of 6 millions, a Requiem" edited
1995 by the Association of the Holocaust's Survivors - Sweden, editor
Romuald Wroblewski, ISBN: 91-630-3418-2. printed by Reproprint AB,
Stockholm.

HUNGARIANS

Name date of birth Last domicile date of death

BERKOVITS, Helena, 12.1.1929 - 25.7.1945
CASAR, Lili, 21.3.1912 - 2.7.1945
FISCHNER , Iren 26.11.1913 Budapest 29.6.1945
FRANK, Anna 30.3.1930 Fehergyarmat 27.7.1945
GROSSMAN, Iren 1.1.1924 Budapest 4.7.1945
HOCHSTADT, Judit 1926 - 1.7.1945
HOLCZER, Laszlo 25.7.1919 - 26.7.1945
KANITZ, Rozsi 2.4.1918 Pecs 3.7.1945
KERN, Margit 22.1.1911 - 12.7.1945
KLEIN, Erzsi 2.7.1924 - 11.7.1945
KOVACS, Rozsa 1912 - 3.8.1945
LICHTENSTEIN, Katalin 9.4.1925 Komarom 10.7.1945
LINDENFELD, Rozsi 21.9.1919 Budapest 11.7.1945
LOBL, Klara 1922 - 27.6.1945
PALOTAI, Margit 1907 - 30.6.1945
PONNES, Paula (?) 13.9.1902 Budapest 17.7.1945
SCHWARTZ, Rozsi 18.12.1898 Budapest 10.7.1945
SZEKELY, Marietta 29.5.1927 - 15.8.1945
TUSAK, Piroska 1907 - 29.6.1945


ROUMANIANS

GENUTH, H 18.12.1929 Felsoviso 17.7.1945
LEWENDEL, Iren 24.8.1926 Petrozseny 18.7.1945
(Petrosani)
SCHWARZ, Rozsi 1908 Satu Mare 3.7.1945
TYSSEROWITZ, Riza 23.7.1915 Maramoros 5.7.1945

I hope this list of name can be of help in jewishgeners research.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se


Hungary SIG #Hungary List of Jewish refugees who died while being transported to Sweden #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

This list is >from the book "6 thousend of 6 millions, a Requiem" edited
1995 by the Association of the Holocaust's Survivors - Sweden, editor
Romuald Wroblewski, ISBN: 91-630-3418-2. printed by Reproprint AB,
Stockholm.

HUNGARIANS

Name date of birth Last domicile date of death

BERKOVITS, Helena, 12.1.1929 - 25.7.1945
CASAR, Lili, 21.3.1912 - 2.7.1945
FISCHNER , Iren 26.11.1913 Budapest 29.6.1945
FRANK, Anna 30.3.1930 Fehergyarmat 27.7.1945
GROSSMAN, Iren 1.1.1924 Budapest 4.7.1945
HOCHSTADT, Judit 1926 - 1.7.1945
HOLCZER, Laszlo 25.7.1919 - 26.7.1945
KANITZ, Rozsi 2.4.1918 Pecs 3.7.1945
KERN, Margit 22.1.1911 - 12.7.1945
KLEIN, Erzsi 2.7.1924 - 11.7.1945
KOVACS, Rozsa 1912 - 3.8.1945
LICHTENSTEIN, Katalin 9.4.1925 Komarom 10.7.1945
LINDENFELD, Rozsi 21.9.1919 Budapest 11.7.1945
LOBL, Klara 1922 - 27.6.1945
PALOTAI, Margit 1907 - 30.6.1945
PONNES, Paula (?) 13.9.1902 Budapest 17.7.1945
SCHWARTZ, Rozsi 18.12.1898 Budapest 10.7.1945
SZEKELY, Marietta 29.5.1927 - 15.8.1945
TUSAK, Piroska 1907 - 29.6.1945


ROUMANIANS

GENUTH, H 18.12.1929 Felsoviso 17.7.1945
LEWENDEL, Iren 24.8.1926 Petrozseny 18.7.1945
(Petrosani)
SCHWARZ, Rozsi 1908 Satu Mare 3.7.1945
TYSSEROWITZ, Riza 23.7.1915 Maramoros 5.7.1945

I hope this list of name can be of help in jewishgeners research.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se


1848 HungarianCensus; Column 6 #hungary

ezwiebac <ezwiebac@...>
 

The Column 6 in the census is titled "Ha nincs letelepedsi...". I
understand this to mean "If no permit, how long in a) Hungary, b) in this
community". In the records I have looked at in Zala County, I see a lot of
ditto marks, with occasionally some words, which I have not been able to
translate. Sometimes, I do see the town written in the town column. I
expected to see just numbers, as in years or months.
I would like to know what others have found, of practical value, in this
column (with 2 parts).
Thanks,

Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA


ship manifests on computer #hungary

Jordan Auslander <jordan@...>
 

ALL ship manifests >from Ellis Island on computer at Ellis Island!?
Not quite (where did you here this?). All that you hear has to be taken
with a block of salt (especially when dealing with the internet). The
Ellis Island people would like to set up a machine readable index of
arrivals by simply scanning in capies of the manifests. I personally
gave them their reality check. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. But
we are dealing with, at best, microfilm copies most hand written. Don't
expect this to be available in this millenium.

Jordan Auslander


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1848 HungarianCensus; Column 6 #hungary

ezwiebac <ezwiebac@...>
 

The Column 6 in the census is titled "Ha nincs letelepedsi...". I
understand this to mean "If no permit, how long in a) Hungary, b) in this
community". In the records I have looked at in Zala County, I see a lot of
ditto marks, with occasionally some words, which I have not been able to
translate. Sometimes, I do see the town written in the town column. I
expected to see just numbers, as in years or months.
I would like to know what others have found, of practical value, in this
column (with 2 parts).
Thanks,

Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary ship manifests on computer #hungary

Jordan Auslander <jordan@...>
 

ALL ship manifests >from Ellis Island on computer at Ellis Island!?
Not quite (where did you here this?). All that you hear has to be taken
with a block of salt (especially when dealing with the internet). The
Ellis Island people would like to set up a machine readable index of
arrivals by simply scanning in capies of the manifests. I personally
gave them their reality check. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. But
we are dealing with, at best, microfilm copies most hand written. Don't
expect this to be available in this millenium.

Jordan Auslander


*Re: British liberators of Concentration Camps #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

I suggest you have a look at this site (Tracing people lost in the Holocaust):
http://www2.3dresearch.com/~june/Vincent/Camps/MissingEng.html although
this site seems down once a while.

However, the site's authors are *real* experts in issues related to
concentration camps. I kept corresponding with Chuck Ferree
<chuckf@rio.com>, who is a marvelous human being. Write him, I believe he
will give you the right answers.

Regards
Tom Venetianer

Does anyone know where I can find records of the two concentration camps
that were liberated by the British in WWII? I believe the camps were
Bergen-Belsen and Neungamme (sp?).

Darren Wheatley


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen *Re: British liberators of Concentration Camps #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

I suggest you have a look at this site (Tracing people lost in the Holocaust):
http://www2.3dresearch.com/~june/Vincent/Camps/MissingEng.html although
this site seems down once a while.

However, the site's authors are *real* experts in issues related to
concentration camps. I kept corresponding with Chuck Ferree
<chuckf@rio.com>, who is a marvelous human being. Write him, I believe he
will give you the right answers.

Regards
Tom Venetianer

Does anyone know where I can find records of the two concentration camps
that were liberated by the British in WWII? I believe the camps were
Bergen-Belsen and Neungamme (sp?).

Darren Wheatley


Sherwood SCHWARTZ #general

Len Pincus <lpincus@...>
 

Well, the Sherwood SCHWARTZ of Hollywood mystery has been solved and it
turns out that he is not the one I'm looking for. He told me, however that
there are four or five more Sherwood SCHWARTZs out there. If anyone in this
group knows of a Sherwood SCHWARTZ please get in touch with me privately at
lpincus@vmicro.com.

Lenny Pincus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sherwood SCHWARTZ #general

Len Pincus <lpincus@...>
 

Well, the Sherwood SCHWARTZ of Hollywood mystery has been solved and it
turns out that he is not the one I'm looking for. He told me, however that
there are four or five more Sherwood SCHWARTZs out there. If anyone in this
group knows of a Sherwood SCHWARTZ please get in touch with me privately at
lpincus@vmicro.com.

Lenny Pincus


The surname - GEBOTT #general

Wildpom@...
 

I had an ancestors with the name GEBOTT >from Austria (Eastern Galicia).
Is there anyone out there with any information or links to this surname please
contact me privately. Thank you.

Michele V. Pomerantz
Secaucus,NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The surname - GEBOTT #general

Wildpom@...
 

I had an ancestors with the name GEBOTT >from Austria (Eastern Galicia).
Is there anyone out there with any information or links to this surname please
contact me privately. Thank you.

Michele V. Pomerantz
Secaucus,NJ


Addresses of Queens, NY Cemeteries #general

Sheldon Lustig <SLustig@...>
 

I have recently learned my g-grandfather is buried in a Queens, NY
cemetery. I would appreciate addresses of Conservative / Orthodox
cemeteries. When he died in 1924 he was living in the Williamsburg
section of Brooklyn and in the only picture I have of him, he is wearing a
yarmulke. My thanks in advance.

Please reply privately,

Marge Lustig

MODERATOR NOTE: Did you check our InfoFile on
Cemeteries at www.jewishgen.org/infofiles ?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Addresses of Queens, NY Cemeteries #general

Sheldon Lustig <SLustig@...>
 

I have recently learned my g-grandfather is buried in a Queens, NY
cemetery. I would appreciate addresses of Conservative / Orthodox
cemeteries. When he died in 1924 he was living in the Williamsburg
section of Brooklyn and in the only picture I have of him, he is wearing a
yarmulke. My thanks in advance.

Please reply privately,

Marge Lustig

MODERATOR NOTE: Did you check our InfoFile on
Cemeteries at www.jewishgen.org/infofiles ?