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Vitebsk - 3rd District #belarus

Marc Weiss <marcplot@...>
 

Does anyone know of a map which shows the boundries of the "third
district" of Vistebk?

This appears on a birth certificate in 1908.

Thank you.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Vitebsk - 3rd District #belarus

Marc Weiss <marcplot@...>
 

Does anyone know of a map which shows the boundries of the "third
district" of Vistebk?

This appears on a birth certificate in 1908.

Thank you.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Polotsk - which gubernia? #belarus

Marc Weiss <marcplot@...>
 

Can anyone please tell me which gubernia included Polotsk in about 1890-
1910, and what records for it might be available on LDS film.

Thank you.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Polotsk - which gubernia? #belarus

Marc Weiss <marcplot@...>
 

Can anyone please tell me which gubernia included Polotsk in about 1890-
1910, and what records for it might be available on LDS film.

Thank you.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Vitebsk - directories with professsions? #belarus

Marc Weiss <marcplot@...>
 

Can anyone tell me if there are directories available which list persons
and their professions in Vitebsk in the late 19th century thru 1912?
I am looking specifically for a woman known as Rifka the Dressmaker
(maiden name possibly Bassin, but married three times. Her last married
name was, in Russian, Peisachovna).

Also looking for a:
Zisla Shalman/Zalman/Soloman who became a dentist.
and
Nathan (Nachum ben Josef) Shalman/Zalman/Soloman, a tailor.

Thank you.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Vitebsk - directories with professsions? #belarus

Marc Weiss <marcplot@...>
 

Can anyone tell me if there are directories available which list persons
and their professions in Vitebsk in the late 19th century thru 1912?
I am looking specifically for a woman known as Rifka the Dressmaker
(maiden name possibly Bassin, but married three times. Her last married
name was, in Russian, Peisachovna).

Also looking for a:
Zisla Shalman/Zalman/Soloman who became a dentist.
and
Nathan (Nachum ben Josef) Shalman/Zalman/Soloman, a tailor.

Thank you.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Military records? #belarus

Marc Weiss <marcplot@...>
 

Can anyone tell me if there are sources in which to look-up military
records about 1904 in Vitebsk -- conscriptions, desertions, etc. for
the Russo-Japanese war?

Thank you.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Military records? #belarus

Marc Weiss <marcplot@...>
 

Can anyone tell me if there are sources in which to look-up military
records about 1904 in Vitebsk -- conscriptions, desertions, etc. for
the Russo-Japanese war?

Thank you.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com


Re: 1897 All Russia Census #belarus

Joelrat@...
 

As I had suspected, the supposed 1897 Census is not that at all. It is the
"Premier Recensement General de la Population de L'Empire de Russie, 1897
Publication du Comite Central de Statistique sous la redaction de N.
Troinitsky".

Gee folks, this is French - the 1897 Russian Census was done in Russian, no?

Actually, this publication seems to be exactly what one of the Digest
readers had surmised - a presentation of the statistics >from the Census.

I know this because I went to a library this weekend and found the exact
title with only 77 sections [in the listing]. What was delivered to me was
a small box with data >from the Archangel'sk and Vilna gubernii. Period.
By the way, this was a paper copy, not film.

I am still curious to know of the contents of the microfilm. My guess is it
would be similar to what I saw with one or more booklets for each gubernia.
The Vilna booklet was 55 pages however, it was labeled "cahier I", or
notebook I. I am assuming there are more in this series.

Several things to be gained >from the publication: a list of the Uyezds in
the gubernia and a list of towns with more than 500 inhabitants. "Towns"
are classified as either - village, bourg, bourgade, or hameau.
Of course there is the statistical data on the population.

Now that we've got the onion partially peeled, can someone else out there
trek out and research the actual contents of the microfilm to see if
anything more is available?

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna Uyezd Research Group
Joelrat@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: 1897 All Russia Census #belarus

Joelrat@...
 

As I had suspected, the supposed 1897 Census is not that at all. It is the
"Premier Recensement General de la Population de L'Empire de Russie, 1897
Publication du Comite Central de Statistique sous la redaction de N.
Troinitsky".

Gee folks, this is French - the 1897 Russian Census was done in Russian, no?

Actually, this publication seems to be exactly what one of the Digest
readers had surmised - a presentation of the statistics >from the Census.

I know this because I went to a library this weekend and found the exact
title with only 77 sections [in the listing]. What was delivered to me was
a small box with data >from the Archangel'sk and Vilna gubernii. Period.
By the way, this was a paper copy, not film.

I am still curious to know of the contents of the microfilm. My guess is it
would be similar to what I saw with one or more booklets for each gubernia.
The Vilna booklet was 55 pages however, it was labeled "cahier I", or
notebook I. I am assuming there are more in this series.

Several things to be gained >from the publication: a list of the Uyezds in
the gubernia and a list of towns with more than 500 inhabitants. "Towns"
are classified as either - village, bourg, bourgade, or hameau.
Of course there is the statistical data on the population.

Now that we've got the onion partially peeled, can someone else out there
trek out and research the actual contents of the microfilm to see if
anything more is available?

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna Uyezd Research Group
Joelrat@aol.com


Re: expanding H-sig #hungary

Florence Marmor <fmarmor@...>
 

I do not understand. Why can't those who want us to absorb Austria, etc.
form their own SIG? I would join it for my own Austrian relatives. This
is for the Hungarians amongst us and should remain that way. I, too,
include those whose towns are now in other countries and those whose
families spoke Hungarian in some far away places. Dilution will not help
anyone those in favor and those who are not.


Florence Marmor fmarmor@dorsai.org edge of Brooklyn, N.Y

Researching: LISSAUER, JONAP, BOGAR >from Hunfalu
(Huncovce, Slovakia), Szuha Kallo, Szin and
Peder, Hungary (now Slovakia), etc.
LISSAUER >from Rawa Ruska, Galicia now Ukraine
JONAP >from Felso Vadasz, Hungary
BOGAR >from Janik, (Janok, Hungary), Slovakia
RINGELHEIM, WEISENFELD, SCHERZ, GROSS >from
Manasterz and Tarnowka, Galicia
(now Poland)
KRAUTHAMER, SPANIER >from Kolomeya, Ukraine
All the above Surnames plus LESSER >from U. S.

See our web page on Mokom Sholom Cemetery, Ozone Park, N.Y. at
http://www.jewishinterest.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: expanding H-sig #hungary

Florence Marmor <fmarmor@...>
 

I do not understand. Why can't those who want us to absorb Austria, etc.
form their own SIG? I would join it for my own Austrian relatives. This
is for the Hungarians amongst us and should remain that way. I, too,
include those whose towns are now in other countries and those whose
families spoke Hungarian in some far away places. Dilution will not help
anyone those in favor and those who are not.


Florence Marmor fmarmor@dorsai.org edge of Brooklyn, N.Y

Researching: LISSAUER, JONAP, BOGAR >from Hunfalu
(Huncovce, Slovakia), Szuha Kallo, Szin and
Peder, Hungary (now Slovakia), etc.
LISSAUER >from Rawa Ruska, Galicia now Ukraine
JONAP >from Felso Vadasz, Hungary
BOGAR >from Janik, (Janok, Hungary), Slovakia
RINGELHEIM, WEISENFELD, SCHERZ, GROSS >from
Manasterz and Tarnowka, Galicia
(now Poland)
KRAUTHAMER, SPANIER >from Kolomeya, Ukraine
All the above Surnames plus LESSER >from U. S.

See our web page on Mokom Sholom Cemetery, Ozone Park, N.Y. at
http://www.jewishinterest.com


Hungarian speaking areas #hungary

Judy and Gary Floam <gfloam@...>
 

One small piece of evidence about Slovakia: my grandmother spent her
childhood in Kosice and came to the U.S. at about age 18. She spoke
Hungarian (and Yiddish, of course) and knew how to make strudel.
Judy Floam
Baltimore, Md


Ungvar - a request for information #hungary

Avraham & Judith Berger <abejude@...>
 

I am interested in obtaining information, or even an educated guess, about
the fate of a woman >from Ungvar.

Miriam Feld, the wife of Elimelech (Meilech) Feld was killed in Ungvar
during the final stages of the deportations in the spring of 1944. As the
story was told to me, the Gendarme entered her house to send the Jews living
there to the trains. She didn't move fast enough for them, so they clubbed
her to death with their rifle butts. The rest of her family was sent to
Aushwitz. Presumably, her dead body was left behind.

My question is - what would have happened to her ? Was there a Chevra
Kadisha, or any Jews at all in Ungvar who would have buried her? Would the
Gentiles have buried her? If she was buried, would there be any record of
this. I would welcome any input or insights on this matter.

Avraham Berger

E-mail address: abejude@netvision.net.il


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian speaking areas #hungary

Judy and Gary Floam <gfloam@...>
 

One small piece of evidence about Slovakia: my grandmother spent her
childhood in Kosice and came to the U.S. at about age 18. She spoke
Hungarian (and Yiddish, of course) and knew how to make strudel.
Judy Floam
Baltimore, Md


Hungary SIG #Hungary Ungvar - a request for information #hungary

Avraham & Judith Berger <abejude@...>
 

I am interested in obtaining information, or even an educated guess, about
the fate of a woman >from Ungvar.

Miriam Feld, the wife of Elimelech (Meilech) Feld was killed in Ungvar
during the final stages of the deportations in the spring of 1944. As the
story was told to me, the Gendarme entered her house to send the Jews living
there to the trains. She didn't move fast enough for them, so they clubbed
her to death with their rifle butts. The rest of her family was sent to
Aushwitz. Presumably, her dead body was left behind.

My question is - what would have happened to her ? Was there a Chevra
Kadisha, or any Jews at all in Ungvar who would have buried her? Would the
Gentiles have buried her? If she was buried, would there be any record of
this. I would welcome any input or insights on this matter.

Avraham Berger

E-mail address: abejude@netvision.net.il


names and such #hungary

Rakoff125
 

Chaverim,
Let's not overdo this thing about names and such. My vote is to keep it as
same name and broad description, and people will use as it as they wish. My
clan has traveled all over the map of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, and then
some. I go where ever the information is. Let us not become exclusionary. My
grandmother told me she was Hungarian, although now she'd be in SLovakia and
she spoke German as well as Hungarian.

This group cannot be all things to all people nor should it limit itself.
Perhaps when there is a special subgroup searching an area like Vienna, which
was full of wandering Jews who travelled in >from other parts of the empire,
we should attempt to make ourselves known to each other for individual
contact and indepth exchanges of information.

I am getting the impression that some areas of Burgenland, Bohemia, and
Moravia are not welcome in the H-Sig...which is too bad. Because I sense that
families may have spread out into those areas >from Hungarian based origins
and it seems foolish to eliminate portions of the "trail" >from our sharing of
resources.

Frankly, I am less concerned about including Austria and what that might mean
for the group than I am about us wasting time and space on pedantic
arguments.
"Come, let us reason together.."

Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA


mod.- I would like to remind everyone that the only issue in our discussion regarding our Austrian "relatives" is whether or not to change the h-sig's name to acknowledge and publicize the inclusion of Austrian Jewish genealogists/researchers. We have always welcomed ANYONE and EVERYONE as subscribers/members of the h-sig: Jews and non-Jews, Hungarians and Litvaks, etc. There are no requirements for participation in h-sig except for a legitimate and positive desire to learn more about Hungarian Jewish genealogy and history. I am sorry for intervening at this time, but we have received a number of messages that give the impression that we were trying to exclude descendants of Austrian or Czech Jews. Just the opposite. We are happy to include every constituency as equal members, especially those who are able and willing to contribute the suggested ten dollar affiliation fee to h-sig. LS


Hungary SIG #Hungary names and such #hungary

Rakoff125
 

Chaverim,
Let's not overdo this thing about names and such. My vote is to keep it as
same name and broad description, and people will use as it as they wish. My
clan has traveled all over the map of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, and then
some. I go where ever the information is. Let us not become exclusionary. My
grandmother told me she was Hungarian, although now she'd be in SLovakia and
she spoke German as well as Hungarian.

This group cannot be all things to all people nor should it limit itself.
Perhaps when there is a special subgroup searching an area like Vienna, which
was full of wandering Jews who travelled in >from other parts of the empire,
we should attempt to make ourselves known to each other for individual
contact and indepth exchanges of information.

I am getting the impression that some areas of Burgenland, Bohemia, and
Moravia are not welcome in the H-Sig...which is too bad. Because I sense that
families may have spread out into those areas >from Hungarian based origins
and it seems foolish to eliminate portions of the "trail" >from our sharing of
resources.

Frankly, I am less concerned about including Austria and what that might mean
for the group than I am about us wasting time and space on pedantic
arguments.
"Come, let us reason together.."

Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA


mod.- I would like to remind everyone that the only issue in our discussion regarding our Austrian "relatives" is whether or not to change the h-sig's name to acknowledge and publicize the inclusion of Austrian Jewish genealogists/researchers. We have always welcomed ANYONE and EVERYONE as subscribers/members of the h-sig: Jews and non-Jews, Hungarians and Litvaks, etc. There are no requirements for participation in h-sig except for a legitimate and positive desire to learn more about Hungarian Jewish genealogy and history. I am sorry for intervening at this time, but we have received a number of messages that give the impression that we were trying to exclude descendants of Austrian or Czech Jews. Just the opposite. We are happy to include every constituency as equal members, especially those who are able and willing to contribute the suggested ten dollar affiliation fee to h-sig. LS


Vienna city archives: tracing your ancestors #hungary

Ed Zwieback <ezwiebac@...>
 

There is a very useful website called "Tracing Your Ancestors in Vienna:
Some Guidelines", in English. The site has e-mail links to some offices in
Vienna.
http://www.magwien.gv.at/ma08/ancestors.htm

On the discussion of H-SIG expansion: I have been pleased with the help I
received here regarding my research in Austria. I hope we continue to
welcome and help those with questions about Austrian records.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA
http://home1.gte.net/ezwiebac


Hungary SIG #Hungary Vienna city archives: tracing your ancestors #hungary

Ed Zwieback <ezwiebac@...>
 

There is a very useful website called "Tracing Your Ancestors in Vienna:
Some Guidelines", in English. The site has e-mail links to some offices in
Vienna.
http://www.magwien.gv.at/ma08/ancestors.htm

On the discussion of H-SIG expansion: I have been pleased with the help I
received here regarding my research in Austria. I hope we continue to
welcome and help those with questions about Austrian records.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA
http://home1.gte.net/ezwiebac