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Independent Order of Brith Abraham #general

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

My ggf was buried in Washington cemetery, Brooklyn NY, in 1910 in the
society of the Independent Order of Brith Abraham. Does anyone know if
this society was / is associated with a particular synagogue or area of
origin?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Independent Order of Brith Abraham #general

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

My ggf was buried in Washington cemetery, Brooklyn NY, in 1910 in the
society of the Independent Order of Brith Abraham. Does anyone know if
this society was / is associated with a particular synagogue or area of
origin?


the name "Annie" #general

Norman Greenfeld
 

With no expectation that I am about to improve the state of the world,
let me give you my "Annie" story.
My aunt arrived here with her mother and sister in 1909. On the ship's
manifest she is listed as blonde, blue-eyed boy(!) named Chenie. This
was crossed out and corrected to female, Anna.
BTW, because my uncle was late arriving at Ellis Island, grandmother and
two aunts were held over for one day as potential unwanted aliens!
Norm Greenfeld
Albany NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen the name "Annie" #general

Norman Greenfeld
 

With no expectation that I am about to improve the state of the world,
let me give you my "Annie" story.
My aunt arrived here with her mother and sister in 1909. On the ship's
manifest she is listed as blonde, blue-eyed boy(!) named Chenie. This
was crossed out and corrected to female, Anna.
BTW, because my uncle was late arriving at Ellis Island, grandmother and
two aunts were held over for one day as potential unwanted aliens!
Norm Greenfeld
Albany NY


Abraham HEDREICH -any family #general

NR153155 <nr153155@...>
 

Abraham HEDREICH married my mother's sister (Rose PREUCKER) >from Starji
Sambor,Galicia. She died in the 1930's, he died in 1944. They were a
childless couple. I believe he had a nephew. They are buried in Old
Montifiore Cemetary in the Springfield Gardens section of Queens, New York.
He passed before my time, my understanding is that he was a wonderful man.
I would love to expand my familiys knowledge of him.

Norm Ringle
NR153155@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Abraham HEDREICH -any family #general

NR153155 <nr153155@...>
 

Abraham HEDREICH married my mother's sister (Rose PREUCKER) >from Starji
Sambor,Galicia. She died in the 1930's, he died in 1944. They were a
childless couple. I believe he had a nephew. They are buried in Old
Montifiore Cemetary in the Springfield Gardens section of Queens, New York.
He passed before my time, my understanding is that he was a wonderful man.
I would love to expand my familiys knowledge of him.

Norm Ringle
NR153155@aol.com


Re: Canadian marriage Certificates #belarus

Mark and Debbie Burr <ember@...>
 

Just a little more to the email >from E. Doberstein. Using the Ontario
Canada Registar General to get any vital statistics (birth, marriage or
death) is ONLY for those stats registered after certain dates. (1902 for
births, 1917 for marriages and 1927 for deaths). Up to those dates have
been released on microfilm. You need to order indexes into to your LDS
Family History Centre and then order the films you need. In Ontario
these films can be inter library loaned >from the Ontario archives to
your local library. (this service is free, whereas ordering through the
LDS costs you $5.50 a roll for the microfilm) Trust this information
makes the process understandable. If you need to know more about Ontario
records please feel free to email me. Deborah Kopstein Burr, Forest
Ontario Canada

Mark and Debbie Burr
<ember@xcelco.on.ca>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Canadian marriage Certificates #belarus

Mark and Debbie Burr <ember@...>
 

Just a little more to the email >from E. Doberstein. Using the Ontario
Canada Registar General to get any vital statistics (birth, marriage or
death) is ONLY for those stats registered after certain dates. (1902 for
births, 1917 for marriages and 1927 for deaths). Up to those dates have
been released on microfilm. You need to order indexes into to your LDS
Family History Centre and then order the films you need. In Ontario
these films can be inter library loaned >from the Ontario archives to
your local library. (this service is free, whereas ordering through the
LDS costs you $5.50 a roll for the microfilm) Trust this information
makes the process understandable. If you need to know more about Ontario
records please feel free to email me. Deborah Kopstein Burr, Forest
Ontario Canada

Mark and Debbie Burr
<ember@xcelco.on.ca>


Unknown places - Borisaw and Yakshicz/Yakshica, Russia #belarus

guthrie <gthr@...>
 

I have just received the naturalization papers for my grandparents. I have
never heard of the places mentioned for their births: Borisaw, Russia and
Yakshicz/Yakshica, Russia. Is anyone familiar with these towns?

I'm fairly new to this, so I'd appreciate any information.

Thanks very much.

Susan Guthrie
Hamden, CT
gthr@msn.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Unknown places - Borisaw and Yakshicz/Yakshica, Russia #belarus

guthrie <gthr@...>
 

I have just received the naturalization papers for my grandparents. I have
never heard of the places mentioned for their births: Borisaw, Russia and
Yakshicz/Yakshica, Russia. Is anyone familiar with these towns?

I'm fairly new to this, so I'd appreciate any information.

Thanks very much.

Susan Guthrie
Hamden, CT
gthr@msn.com


People from Grodno #belarus

Camila Tiberi <camilat@...>
 

Sept 3rd, 1999

Dear Belarus SIG members:

Does anybody know if a census list of Grodno exist?
It would be very important for me to get that list of the beginning of =
this century.

Thank you very much

Otilia Shifres de Tiberi
camilat@datamarkets.com.ar
Buenos Aires, Argentina


Belarus SIG #Belarus People from Grodno #belarus

Camila Tiberi <camilat@...>
 

Sept 3rd, 1999

Dear Belarus SIG members:

Does anybody know if a census list of Grodno exist?
It would be very important for me to get that list of the beginning of =
this century.

Thank you very much

Otilia Shifres de Tiberi
camilat@datamarkets.com.ar
Buenos Aires, Argentina


Re: My Hungarian connection #hungary

Dmfreil@...
 

I am researching:

FREILICH: Austro-Hungarian Empire, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia,
Great Britain, Gaboltov and Hrabske in Slovakia, Ohio: Elyria, Cleveland,
Columbus, Zanesville, New Jersey, New York, Chicago, Ill., California,
Michigan

FRANKEL: Austro-Hungarian Empire, Hrabske Slovakia.

GREENFIELD: Austro-Hungarian Empire

DIANE M. FREILICH OF MICHIGAN


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: My Hungarian connection #hungary

Dmfreil@...
 

I am researching:

FREILICH: Austro-Hungarian Empire, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia,
Great Britain, Gaboltov and Hrabske in Slovakia, Ohio: Elyria, Cleveland,
Columbus, Zanesville, New Jersey, New York, Chicago, Ill., California,
Michigan

FRANKEL: Austro-Hungarian Empire, Hrabske Slovakia.

GREENFIELD: Austro-Hungarian Empire

DIANE M. FREILICH OF MICHIGAN


Re: Cohanim related to Non-Cohanim?FIS #general

hankman <hankman@...>
 

Hi,

Yes, the reponse that being a cohen (a priest not the surname Cohen,
though most Cohens are cohens) depends only upon whether your father
was a cohen is correct, thus being a cohen strictly follows male
descent.

The old joke is told about this man who goes to the Rabbi and says,
"My father was a cohen, my grandfather was a cohen. Rabbi, can you
please make me a cohen too, so I can follow in their footsteps."

Nevertheless you can still have two brothers with the same surname,
one a cohen and the other not a cohen. One way this can occur, in
Galicia (or Congress Poland, not sure which) in the 1800's, the law of
the land treated rabbinical weddings not registered with the civil
authorities as non entities and the children were considered
illegitimate. These children had to take the surname of the mother,
not their father. Thus if a cohen named Friedman marries say his
cousin also named Friedman (not uncommon) and they have a son, he is a
cohen named Friedman too. If then the husband dies or they are
divorced and she marries anybody else (of any arbitrary name) who is
not a cohen in a rabbinic marriage not registered to the civil
authorities, their child will also be a Friedman (takes the name of
his mother) but not a cohen, and brother to a Friedman brother who is
a cohen.

More simply, (but not at all common) if a woman marries two men (in
sequence), both of whom have the same surname, say Friedman, but one
is a cohen and the other is not, the result can also be two brothers
one of whom is a cohen, the other not a cohen (they of course would be
brothers through the mother only).

Regards,
Chaim Manaster
Montreal, Canada

Researching:

MANASTER/MONASTER >from Lesko (Lisko, Linsk) / Sanok, Galicia
SUSSWEIN/ZYSWAYN, FREY/FREI >from Lesko (Lisko, Linsk), Galicia
WASSERMAN, BRAND >from Lesko (Lisko, Linsk) / Sanok, Galicia
FRYDMAN/FRIDMAN/FRIEDMAN >from Lodz / Tomaszow, Poland
GINGOLD, GOTTSTEIN, MEYERFELD >from Lodz / Tomaszow, Poland
FORSPAN, BRUCKMAN, KUPERMINTZ, FLACKOWITZ >from Lodz, Poland



Susan M. Rogers < smrogers@erols.com > wrote

Ellen Meyer wrote:
< recently learned that the men of a branch of our greater family to
which we are supposedly related are cohanim, but our men, to the best of
our > knowledge, are not. We are related through the male line. Is this
possible? Could my side of the family have forgotten they were
cohanim?

Hi, Ellen,

I went through this and came out with clarity.

The priesthood thing goes just through the males. You can be related
to Cohanim, but a a male relative will be HaKohen only if his father
was HaKohen.

I went to the cemeteries and photographed the symbols on the gravestones
and had a couple of exciting surprises.

The story on my web page about this may shed light for you:
http://members.xoom.com/smrogers3. You'll see the link right on the
first page of the table of contents. (It's easier to get to that page
by going first to this one, where there's a direct link in the headline:
http://users.erols.com/smrogers )

In my family, we have many cases in which the son of a daughter of a
Cohain
is NOT a Cohain. However, one daughter married a Cohain, so her son is a
Cohain.

By the way, there is no such thing as a double Cohain or a double Levi.
That's "nonsense," said a very learned man, who made me feel very silly
when I asked.

In my family, this happened: Harris was a Levi. His daughter, Rhoda,
married Larry, who is a Levi because his father is. So her son is a
Levi.
Her son decided to become Hassidic and has four sons. We got Levim! And
so it goes.

Clear? Again, yes you can be related. That has nothing to do with the
transmission of the Cohain-Levi business. I hope the story on my web
page is helpful and that you will scroll down to the part >from Exodus,
which on > this rereading, was very exciting. The learned man is the one
who referred me to Exodus.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Cohanim related to Non-Cohanim?FIS #general

hankman <hankman@...>
 

Hi,

Yes, the reponse that being a cohen (a priest not the surname Cohen,
though most Cohens are cohens) depends only upon whether your father
was a cohen is correct, thus being a cohen strictly follows male
descent.

The old joke is told about this man who goes to the Rabbi and says,
"My father was a cohen, my grandfather was a cohen. Rabbi, can you
please make me a cohen too, so I can follow in their footsteps."

Nevertheless you can still have two brothers with the same surname,
one a cohen and the other not a cohen. One way this can occur, in
Galicia (or Congress Poland, not sure which) in the 1800's, the law of
the land treated rabbinical weddings not registered with the civil
authorities as non entities and the children were considered
illegitimate. These children had to take the surname of the mother,
not their father. Thus if a cohen named Friedman marries say his
cousin also named Friedman (not uncommon) and they have a son, he is a
cohen named Friedman too. If then the husband dies or they are
divorced and she marries anybody else (of any arbitrary name) who is
not a cohen in a rabbinic marriage not registered to the civil
authorities, their child will also be a Friedman (takes the name of
his mother) but not a cohen, and brother to a Friedman brother who is
a cohen.

More simply, (but not at all common) if a woman marries two men (in
sequence), both of whom have the same surname, say Friedman, but one
is a cohen and the other is not, the result can also be two brothers
one of whom is a cohen, the other not a cohen (they of course would be
brothers through the mother only).

Regards,
Chaim Manaster
Montreal, Canada

Researching:

MANASTER/MONASTER >from Lesko (Lisko, Linsk) / Sanok, Galicia
SUSSWEIN/ZYSWAYN, FREY/FREI >from Lesko (Lisko, Linsk), Galicia
WASSERMAN, BRAND >from Lesko (Lisko, Linsk) / Sanok, Galicia
FRYDMAN/FRIDMAN/FRIEDMAN >from Lodz / Tomaszow, Poland
GINGOLD, GOTTSTEIN, MEYERFELD >from Lodz / Tomaszow, Poland
FORSPAN, BRUCKMAN, KUPERMINTZ, FLACKOWITZ >from Lodz, Poland



Susan M. Rogers < smrogers@erols.com > wrote

Ellen Meyer wrote:
< recently learned that the men of a branch of our greater family to
which we are supposedly related are cohanim, but our men, to the best of
our > knowledge, are not. We are related through the male line. Is this
possible? Could my side of the family have forgotten they were
cohanim?

Hi, Ellen,

I went through this and came out with clarity.

The priesthood thing goes just through the males. You can be related
to Cohanim, but a a male relative will be HaKohen only if his father
was HaKohen.

I went to the cemeteries and photographed the symbols on the gravestones
and had a couple of exciting surprises.

The story on my web page about this may shed light for you:
http://members.xoom.com/smrogers3. You'll see the link right on the
first page of the table of contents. (It's easier to get to that page
by going first to this one, where there's a direct link in the headline:
http://users.erols.com/smrogers )

In my family, we have many cases in which the son of a daughter of a
Cohain
is NOT a Cohain. However, one daughter married a Cohain, so her son is a
Cohain.

By the way, there is no such thing as a double Cohain or a double Levi.
That's "nonsense," said a very learned man, who made me feel very silly
when I asked.

In my family, this happened: Harris was a Levi. His daughter, Rhoda,
married Larry, who is a Levi because his father is. So her son is a
Levi.
Her son decided to become Hassidic and has four sons. We got Levim! And
so it goes.

Clear? Again, yes you can be related. That has nothing to do with the
transmission of the Cohain-Levi business. I hope the story on my web
page is helpful and that you will scroll down to the part >from Exodus,
which on > this rereading, was very exciting. The learned man is the one
who referred me to Exodus.


Shtetls near Igumen? #belarus

sasha & mahoko <sasha_mahoko@...>
 

Hi,
My name is Sasha Margolis and I joined the group yesterday.
I have a couple of questions hopefully someone can help with.

My grandmother grew up in Podkamen (not the one in the Ukraine) and
then Brodets, both near Igumen.

I found these places with the ShtetlSeeker, but they do not appear on
the Belarus Shtetl page. Would they be considered, for research purposes, part of Igumen?

Also, she told me her mother came >from Sislovis, near Bobruisk.
I have a feeling she meant Svisloch. Does this seem likely?

Sasha Margolis
Ann Arbor, MI
sasha_mahoko@sprynet.com

searching for: RUBINCIK--igumen, podkamen, brodets
FINKELSTEIN--bobruisk
KANTOR--oshmiany


Belarus SIG #Belarus Shtetls near Igumen? #belarus

sasha & mahoko <sasha_mahoko@...>
 

Hi,
My name is Sasha Margolis and I joined the group yesterday.
I have a couple of questions hopefully someone can help with.

My grandmother grew up in Podkamen (not the one in the Ukraine) and
then Brodets, both near Igumen.

I found these places with the ShtetlSeeker, but they do not appear on
the Belarus Shtetl page. Would they be considered, for research purposes, part of Igumen?

Also, she told me her mother came >from Sislovis, near Bobruisk.
I have a feeling she meant Svisloch. Does this seem likely?

Sasha Margolis
Ann Arbor, MI
sasha_mahoko@sprynet.com

searching for: RUBINCIK--igumen, podkamen, brodets
FINKELSTEIN--bobruisk
KANTOR--oshmiany


Re: MINSK/PINSK #belarus

Francine Schwartz <pinsk2@...>
 

Minsk is the capital of Belarus, Pinsk is a town in Minsk Gubernia.
Two different towns. There is no such thing as Minsk La Pinsk.
Either they were >from Minsk or >from Pinsk.

Francine Schwartz
pinsk2@yahoo.com

--- Julie Dalli wrote:

For a long time, I wasn't sure where my great
grandparents were from.
My mother told me Minsk OR Pinsk.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: MINSK/PINSK #belarus

Francine Schwartz <pinsk2@...>
 

Minsk is the capital of Belarus, Pinsk is a town in Minsk Gubernia.
Two different towns. There is no such thing as Minsk La Pinsk.
Either they were >from Minsk or >from Pinsk.

Francine Schwartz
pinsk2@yahoo.com

--- Julie Dalli wrote:

For a long time, I wasn't sure where my great
grandparents were from.
My mother told me Minsk OR Pinsk.