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Feb. 10 LitvakSIG Digest: Russian Polish Revolution of 1863 #lithuania

Kapochunas, Andrew <KapochunasA@...>
 

Svencionys was in the Vilniaus Gubernija in 1863, within the Russian Empire. Poland and Lithuania had ceased to exist as countries with the 1795
partition, but Svencionys would have been considered part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

Its origins are as part of the royal estate where Vytautas the Great
liked to hunt. In the 15th century he settled groups of Tatars there
whom he had captured during campaigns near the Black Sea. Napoleon stayed
there for a few days on his way to Moscow in 1812.

At the time of both the 1831 and 1863 revolts locals were organized to fight the Russian army. In the 19th century the town had not only a synagogue and a Catholic church, but a mosque and two Russian Orthodox churches. >from 1920-39 the area was occupied by Poland.

Andrew Kapochunas
kapochunasa@dnb.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Feb. 10 LitvakSIG Digest: Russian Polish Revolution of 1863 #lithuania

Kapochunas, Andrew <KapochunasA@...>
 

Svencionys was in the Vilniaus Gubernija in 1863, within the Russian Empire. Poland and Lithuania had ceased to exist as countries with the 1795
partition, but Svencionys would have been considered part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

Its origins are as part of the royal estate where Vytautas the Great
liked to hunt. In the 15th century he settled groups of Tatars there
whom he had captured during campaigns near the Black Sea. Napoleon stayed
there for a few days on his way to Moscow in 1812.

At the time of both the 1831 and 1863 revolts locals were organized to fight the Russian army. In the 19th century the town had not only a synagogue and a Catholic church, but a mosque and two Russian Orthodox churches. >from 1920-39 the area was occupied by Poland.

Andrew Kapochunas
kapochunasa@dnb.com


Everay surname #lithuania

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

On a death certificate of my great grandfather, born Isaac Veshasky in
Serhai, his mother's name was listed as "Sarah Everay."
I've been puzzling over the surname "Everay" for Sarah ever since.
I'd never seen such a name, and it didn't seem especially "Litvak."

Well, by chance I was reading a book [Alan Weisman's "Echo in my Blood,"
his story of weaving family history and personal experiences and trying
to find out what REALLY happened to his grandfather] and when
he recounts going to his grandfather's village in the Ukraine the
people described the Jewish section of the town as "mistechko techkovji
everayij" and CLICK--"everayij" is clearly cognate with IVRIT--the
Hebrew word for Hebrew! And then I remembered that often when the
governments made Jews take names in the 19th century, those who
either weren't creative or didn't have the money to pay fees that
apparently were charged to register "original" names were given names
that basically meant "Jew." So Sarah's father or grandfather was
so-and-so the Hebrew!

I looked this up further in "Following the Paper Trail" and confirmed
a similar word in Russian. Couldn't confirm it in Lithuanian, and
Polish (the language I think was primarily used in Lithuania in the
part the Veshaskys were >from in the mid-late 1800s) uses "Israelita"
instead, but it makes sense. The question I have is, maybe Sarah's
family was >from a Russian-speaking area. (Or maybe that's a word
also used in Lithuanian).

Anyway, I spoke to my rabbi (Rabbi Leo Abrami of Tucson) about it last
night and he agreed with me. FASCINATING! I'm wondering what reaction people on this list may have to this name and this interpretation.

Lynn Saul

MODERATOR'S NOTE: In many Jewish vital records written in Russian, the word "Evraii" is used to denote that the person is Jewish; it is usually used as a descriptive word rather than a surname.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Everay surname #lithuania

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

On a death certificate of my great grandfather, born Isaac Veshasky in
Serhai, his mother's name was listed as "Sarah Everay."
I've been puzzling over the surname "Everay" for Sarah ever since.
I'd never seen such a name, and it didn't seem especially "Litvak."

Well, by chance I was reading a book [Alan Weisman's "Echo in my Blood,"
his story of weaving family history and personal experiences and trying
to find out what REALLY happened to his grandfather] and when
he recounts going to his grandfather's village in the Ukraine the
people described the Jewish section of the town as "mistechko techkovji
everayij" and CLICK--"everayij" is clearly cognate with IVRIT--the
Hebrew word for Hebrew! And then I remembered that often when the
governments made Jews take names in the 19th century, those who
either weren't creative or didn't have the money to pay fees that
apparently were charged to register "original" names were given names
that basically meant "Jew." So Sarah's father or grandfather was
so-and-so the Hebrew!

I looked this up further in "Following the Paper Trail" and confirmed
a similar word in Russian. Couldn't confirm it in Lithuanian, and
Polish (the language I think was primarily used in Lithuania in the
part the Veshaskys were >from in the mid-late 1800s) uses "Israelita"
instead, but it makes sense. The question I have is, maybe Sarah's
family was >from a Russian-speaking area. (Or maybe that's a word
also used in Lithuanian).

Anyway, I spoke to my rabbi (Rabbi Leo Abrami of Tucson) about it last
night and he agreed with me. FASCINATING! I'm wondering what reaction people on this list may have to this name and this interpretation.

Lynn Saul

MODERATOR'S NOTE: In many Jewish vital records written in Russian, the word "Evraii" is used to denote that the person is Jewish; it is usually used as a descriptive word rather than a surname.


RUBINSTEIN Marriage Certificate #general

ChitownRu@...
 

I sent away for a marriage certificate >from the State of New York.
Unfortunately, they sent the wrong one. Anybody looking for David
Rubinstein who married Mary Hirsch in the Bronx in August 1929? I would be
happy to send the certificate to you.

In the meantime, I am still looking for information about David Rubenstein,
who married Gertrude Sandler in 1928 or so in Manhattan.

Laura Rubenstein


LINCZYC or ROSENBLATT? #general

Reinout en Renate <r.van.bloemendaal@...>
 

Dear Genners in Israel,
An uncle who lived in Israel was either named Joseph Linczyc or Rosenblatt.
He lived most probably in or near Haifa. Untill now we thought he had the
name of his mother, but in an old addressbook of his yougst brother he was
named Rosenblatt. How can we find out ? We need documents for a procedure
to get a change of name.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Renate Rosenblatt r.van.bloemendaal@hccnet.nl


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RUBINSTEIN Marriage Certificate #general

ChitownRu@...
 

I sent away for a marriage certificate >from the State of New York.
Unfortunately, they sent the wrong one. Anybody looking for David
Rubinstein who married Mary Hirsch in the Bronx in August 1929? I would be
happy to send the certificate to you.

In the meantime, I am still looking for information about David Rubenstein,
who married Gertrude Sandler in 1928 or so in Manhattan.

Laura Rubenstein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LINCZYC or ROSENBLATT? #general

Reinout en Renate <r.van.bloemendaal@...>
 

Dear Genners in Israel,
An uncle who lived in Israel was either named Joseph Linczyc or Rosenblatt.
He lived most probably in or near Haifa. Untill now we thought he had the
name of his mother, but in an old addressbook of his yougst brother he was
named Rosenblatt. How can we find out ? We need documents for a procedure
to get a change of name.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Renate Rosenblatt r.van.bloemendaal@hccnet.nl


Current article on Belarus #general

Melvin Redmount <mbrassoc@...>
 

Greetings,
The February 2000 issue of Harper's Magazine has a 10 page article on
Belarus. The article by Jeffrey Taylor, an American living in Moscow, is
entitled " Back In The U,S.S.R.? " Mr. Taylor describes a flight on
Belavia to Minsk and travels within Belarus. The article deals wih
describing Belarus and is only incidental to geneological searching. His
descriptions include Minsk, the Kurapaty Forest , Orsha and Polatsk.

A question on semantics. The highly commendable Vsia Rossia translation
lists the Uyezd of Goretskii in Mogilev Gubernia. Is this the same as
Gorky Uezd ?
Melvin B.Redmount, Ridgway, Pa. (mbrassoc@Penn.com )


Re: Posting without your address #general

Curiousyl@...
 

racecar3@bellsouth.net writes:

If you click "reply all" in your mail program, it automatically gives
you the email address of the sender. Although your email address
doesn't showup in the headers, I knew exactly what it was without
reading your closing address by simply clicking "reply all."
"Reply all" automatically gives you the e-mail address of the sender,
but not the signature or area in which the sender is living.
One of the rules of etiquette in posting a message is to give your
name and state. Otherwise, it is most frustrating to see a message
without a signature, state or country.

I have had messages returned to me by the moderator when I have
forgotten to give my Surname and/or state. But the moderators
are usually overloaded with messages and may miss a query which
should be returned to sender when the omission occurs. So the
responsibility lies with the sender.

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Current article on Belarus #general

Melvin Redmount <mbrassoc@...>
 

Greetings,
The February 2000 issue of Harper's Magazine has a 10 page article on
Belarus. The article by Jeffrey Taylor, an American living in Moscow, is
entitled " Back In The U,S.S.R.? " Mr. Taylor describes a flight on
Belavia to Minsk and travels within Belarus. The article deals wih
describing Belarus and is only incidental to geneological searching. His
descriptions include Minsk, the Kurapaty Forest , Orsha and Polatsk.

A question on semantics. The highly commendable Vsia Rossia translation
lists the Uyezd of Goretskii in Mogilev Gubernia. Is this the same as
Gorky Uezd ?
Melvin B.Redmount, Ridgway, Pa. (mbrassoc@Penn.com )


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Posting without your address #general

Curiousyl@...
 

racecar3@bellsouth.net writes:

If you click "reply all" in your mail program, it automatically gives
you the email address of the sender. Although your email address
doesn't showup in the headers, I knew exactly what it was without
reading your closing address by simply clicking "reply all."
"Reply all" automatically gives you the e-mail address of the sender,
but not the signature or area in which the sender is living.
One of the rules of etiquette in posting a message is to give your
name and state. Otherwise, it is most frustrating to see a message
without a signature, state or country.

I have had messages returned to me by the moderator when I have
forgotten to give my Surname and/or state. But the moderators
are usually overloaded with messages and may miss a query which
should be returned to sender when the omission occurs. So the
responsibility lies with the sender.

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
Florida


Re: Research in Slovakia-didn't mean to send to whole listserv #hungary

MGS18@...
 

Sorry folks.

Mindy


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Research in Slovakia-didn't mean to send to whole listserv #hungary

MGS18@...
 

Sorry folks.

Mindy


FHC film #0623076 from Verbocz #hungary

Rakoff125
 

I copied down some information >from FHC film #0623076 >from Verbocz which is
the 1828 Landeskonskription for Nitriensis, then listed as Ungarish or
Hungarian records. The Jews are marked with "Jud" hence I was able to get a
bunch of names other than what I was looking for. I only copied a portion,
the whole film is quite large, but there is enough here to be useful to
provide information to others. I thought it could go on the HSIG database
list. I did not copy all the details regarding property, just the number of
taxable people in the household. Spelling is up for grabs as I had a hard
time with the handwriting at times.

Community: community # line name # of taxable persons
Juno Luka 410 7 Abah. Rosenfeld 2
(18 taxable Jews in a 8 J?sa. Holiz 2
community of 900) 77 Joseph Neufeld 1
80 Salamon Neufeld 1
81 Jacob Feldhaben 2
82 Jacob Neufeld 2
100 David Grunfeld 2
101 Joseph Heller 2
124 Gabriel Neufeld 2
125 Franiscek Fischman 2

Ujlacoka 416 27 Mojs. Sinko 2
32 Mano Szvako 4
33 Mojs. Hajzek 2

Oppidum Ujlaki 417 187 Mendl Majol 10 (inc. 4 servants)

Ujlehotta 418 70 Isac? Vrinman (Veinman?) 3

Unuzin 420 58 Jacob Henfehl (Stensehl?) 2
186 Bene: Schaoz 2 (notes also 2
filli, or sons)
213 Jacob Kauze
214 Jacob Oplen 2

Urme'ny 423 95 Isvan? Vainsein 2
96 Mano? Parun 3
97 Jacob Sustez 2
105 Lo"bl Veisz 4
215 Pinkas Aronson
216 Jacob Abraham 2
(117) 217 Hersh Gutman
(118) 218 David Vellis
119 Lo"bl Ornstein 2
220 Marcus Senk 2

I will send more when I have it ready. I've been in touch with Marc Polster
who will incorporate it into the H-Sig database as time permits.

Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA


Hungary SIG #Hungary FHC film #0623076 from Verbocz #hungary

Rakoff125
 

I copied down some information >from FHC film #0623076 >from Verbocz which is
the 1828 Landeskonskription for Nitriensis, then listed as Ungarish or
Hungarian records. The Jews are marked with "Jud" hence I was able to get a
bunch of names other than what I was looking for. I only copied a portion,
the whole film is quite large, but there is enough here to be useful to
provide information to others. I thought it could go on the HSIG database
list. I did not copy all the details regarding property, just the number of
taxable people in the household. Spelling is up for grabs as I had a hard
time with the handwriting at times.

Community: community # line name # of taxable persons
Juno Luka 410 7 Abah. Rosenfeld 2
(18 taxable Jews in a 8 J?sa. Holiz 2
community of 900) 77 Joseph Neufeld 1
80 Salamon Neufeld 1
81 Jacob Feldhaben 2
82 Jacob Neufeld 2
100 David Grunfeld 2
101 Joseph Heller 2
124 Gabriel Neufeld 2
125 Franiscek Fischman 2

Ujlacoka 416 27 Mojs. Sinko 2
32 Mano Szvako 4
33 Mojs. Hajzek 2

Oppidum Ujlaki 417 187 Mendl Majol 10 (inc. 4 servants)

Ujlehotta 418 70 Isac? Vrinman (Veinman?) 3

Unuzin 420 58 Jacob Henfehl (Stensehl?) 2
186 Bene: Schaoz 2 (notes also 2
filli, or sons)
213 Jacob Kauze
214 Jacob Oplen 2

Urme'ny 423 95 Isvan? Vainsein 2
96 Mano? Parun 3
97 Jacob Sustez 2
105 Lo"bl Veisz 4
215 Pinkas Aronson
216 Jacob Abraham 2
(117) 217 Hersh Gutman
(118) 218 David Vellis
119 Lo"bl Ornstein 2
220 Marcus Senk 2

I will send more when I have it ready. I've been in touch with Marc Polster
who will incorporate it into the H-Sig database as time permits.

Linda Rakoff
Newton, MA


State Archives #hungary

alexm6@...
 

Hello Friends,

I sent a request to the Wiena War Archives(Kriegarchiv, 2 Nottendorfer
Gasse, 1030 Wien, Austria) with only first and last name of a claimed
relative . They must have a computerized database as they responded with
surprising speed(bliztkrieg archiv??!) indicating the to entries
corresponding to my request. Place of birth, age, military unit
date/place of death were included.

I believe they also refered me to the Hungairan Military
archive:Hadtortenelmi Intezet at Kapisztran ter 2, h-1250 B-pest. I have
no recollection of any messages regarding this archive. Could anyone
forward any experiences?

PS. Translation request- Thank you!!!!
Durch die geringen Angaben im Ihrem Schreiben konnte das Archiv nicht
festellen, os es sich um die von Ihnen gesuchte Person handelt. Da die
Heimatzustandigkeit in Ungarn lag, wird empfohlen eine Anfrage an das
Militararchiv , Address...zu richten.

Best regards
Alex Miller. READING, PA


Re: Research in Slovakia #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Mindy,

Since I have never submitted an "individual vital statistic" application, I
cannot tell you with certainty about the speed, cost or amount of
information you are likely to receive. My experiences are based on the
"running account" which on two occasions resulted in a bonanza of vital
records on my ancestors. Unless you are researching a specific individual
without needing to know about his/her ancestors and descendants, I would
recommend the running account.

In my initial request which was submitted in English to the Minister of
Interior. I stated that I wanted a "demanding research" and set the cost
limit to $300. The application was mailed on March 17, 1997. Receipt of the
application was acknowledged by the Minister in a letter dated March 25
noting that the application was being passed to the State Regional Archives
in Bratislava to conduct the research. About five months later, I received
a letter >from the Director of the State archives stating that the research
had been completed and asked that I send an international money order for
$121. By mid-September, I received 11 photocopied documents whose
information far exceeded my expectations.

About a year later, I submitted a second request. This time, I did not use
the standard application form. Instead, I sent a letter, in English,
straight to the Director of the State Archives (Statny oblastny archiv v
Bratislave) itemizing the individuals about whom I wanted additional vital
information. I did not set a cost limit. The project lasted about a year
and cost came to about $240, but for all that, I received 55 photocopied
documents of immense value.

If you are seeking census and other non-vital records, I doubt these can be
obtained through the State Archives. You may need to consider hiring a
professional researcher or group that can access census records. For
example, I hired a research group in Budapest to obtain 1848 census records
that included specific counties in Slovakia. I also received through the
International Red Cross copies of documents >from the Slovak National
Archives (Slovensky Narodny Archiv v Bratislave). These documents were from
the 1940's that were arrest records, transport records, and the Jewish
census (Supis Zidov) of 1941.

I hope I answered your questions satisfactorily. If not, continue to ask.

Dolph
Chapel Hill, NC

Dolph,

After much procrastination, I am finally ready to write for vital and
census records in Slovak archives and mail the darn application form to
Bratislava.

I have printed up the forms >from the website and would appreciate your
input before sending them:

1) one other hsigger I spoke to used the form for "individual vital
statistics" rather than the running account. Supposedly it is faster and
possibly less expensive. Have no way to evaluate if this is so. What
criteria do you suggest I use to determine which search to initiate?

2) Did you submit the form in English?

3) I'm not sure how to answer the question about the dollar limit on
research. If I make it too high, will they over charge? If I make it too
low, will they limit the extent of their search? Can I just leave it
blank?

Thanks,

Mindy Soclof
Ann Arbor,MI


Hungary SIG #Hungary State Archives #hungary

alexm6@...
 

Hello Friends,

I sent a request to the Wiena War Archives(Kriegarchiv, 2 Nottendorfer
Gasse, 1030 Wien, Austria) with only first and last name of a claimed
relative . They must have a computerized database as they responded with
surprising speed(bliztkrieg archiv??!) indicating the to entries
corresponding to my request. Place of birth, age, military unit
date/place of death were included.

I believe they also refered me to the Hungairan Military
archive:Hadtortenelmi Intezet at Kapisztran ter 2, h-1250 B-pest. I have
no recollection of any messages regarding this archive. Could anyone
forward any experiences?

PS. Translation request- Thank you!!!!
Durch die geringen Angaben im Ihrem Schreiben konnte das Archiv nicht
festellen, os es sich um die von Ihnen gesuchte Person handelt. Da die
Heimatzustandigkeit in Ungarn lag, wird empfohlen eine Anfrage an das
Militararchiv , Address...zu richten.

Best regards
Alex Miller. READING, PA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re: Research in Slovakia #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Mindy,

Since I have never submitted an "individual vital statistic" application, I
cannot tell you with certainty about the speed, cost or amount of
information you are likely to receive. My experiences are based on the
"running account" which on two occasions resulted in a bonanza of vital
records on my ancestors. Unless you are researching a specific individual
without needing to know about his/her ancestors and descendants, I would
recommend the running account.

In my initial request which was submitted in English to the Minister of
Interior. I stated that I wanted a "demanding research" and set the cost
limit to $300. The application was mailed on March 17, 1997. Receipt of the
application was acknowledged by the Minister in a letter dated March 25
noting that the application was being passed to the State Regional Archives
in Bratislava to conduct the research. About five months later, I received
a letter >from the Director of the State archives stating that the research
had been completed and asked that I send an international money order for
$121. By mid-September, I received 11 photocopied documents whose
information far exceeded my expectations.

About a year later, I submitted a second request. This time, I did not use
the standard application form. Instead, I sent a letter, in English,
straight to the Director of the State Archives (Statny oblastny archiv v
Bratislave) itemizing the individuals about whom I wanted additional vital
information. I did not set a cost limit. The project lasted about a year
and cost came to about $240, but for all that, I received 55 photocopied
documents of immense value.

If you are seeking census and other non-vital records, I doubt these can be
obtained through the State Archives. You may need to consider hiring a
professional researcher or group that can access census records. For
example, I hired a research group in Budapest to obtain 1848 census records
that included specific counties in Slovakia. I also received through the
International Red Cross copies of documents >from the Slovak National
Archives (Slovensky Narodny Archiv v Bratislave). These documents were from
the 1940's that were arrest records, transport records, and the Jewish
census (Supis Zidov) of 1941.

I hope I answered your questions satisfactorily. If not, continue to ask.

Dolph
Chapel Hill, NC

Dolph,

After much procrastination, I am finally ready to write for vital and
census records in Slovak archives and mail the darn application form to
Bratislava.

I have printed up the forms >from the website and would appreciate your
input before sending them:

1) one other hsigger I spoke to used the form for "individual vital
statistics" rather than the running account. Supposedly it is faster and
possibly less expensive. Have no way to evaluate if this is so. What
criteria do you suggest I use to determine which search to initiate?

2) Did you submit the form in English?

3) I'm not sure how to answer the question about the dollar limit on
research. If I make it too high, will they over charge? If I make it too
low, will they limit the extent of their search? Can I just leave it
blank?

Thanks,

Mindy Soclof
Ann Arbor,MI