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Re: More 1869 census records #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

In reply to an inquiry about the status of filming in Nitra and
Bratislava, I got an interesting reply >from the Morman library in Salt
Lake. Apparently, 1869 census records for the counties of Bars,
Esztergom, Komarom, Nitra, Abuaj-Torna and Szepes have been added to the
catalog. The trick is that you can only get the film numbers >from the
catalog that is in Salt Lake, they are not online yet and are not on the
most recent CD roms that the branch libraries have.

I have asked them to send me a printout of all of the film numbers and
towns to which the films apply. Presuming that I receive this, I will
make the information available to all of you, probably by giving it to
our webmaster to somehow get it into the HSIG database.

As for the filming status, they declined to provide any information.

Debbi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: More 1869 census records #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

In reply to an inquiry about the status of filming in Nitra and
Bratislava, I got an interesting reply >from the Morman library in Salt
Lake. Apparently, 1869 census records for the counties of Bars,
Esztergom, Komarom, Nitra, Abuaj-Torna and Szepes have been added to the
catalog. The trick is that you can only get the film numbers >from the
catalog that is in Salt Lake, they are not online yet and are not on the
most recent CD roms that the branch libraries have.

I have asked them to send me a printout of all of the film numbers and
towns to which the films apply. Presuming that I receive this, I will
make the information available to all of you, probably by giving it to
our webmaster to somehow get it into the HSIG database.

As for the filming status, they declined to provide any information.

Debbi


Re: US Census Records and the American Community Survey #hungary

Herb Meyers <herbiem@...>
 

The survey sounds much like the long census form some people received
last year as part of the regular census.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO
herbiem@mindspring.com

-----Original Message-----
From: moishe@langsam.com <moishe@langsam.com>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: US Census Records and the American Community Survey


Hi,

I know there has been some talk of preserving your own census
responses. I
would like to present a new dimension to the US Census and ask if
anybody
knows if this also took place prior to 1930?

I just received >from the US Dept of Commerce an American Community
Survey.
The Census Bureau describes it as a survey to provide more timely data
than
data typically collected once every ten years. It is 22 pages long and
asks


*re: wisdom on name transliterations? #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Joan,

You raise a very important point in genealogical research, mainly
that of East European Jewish subjects surnames spellings. Borders,
rulers and languages have changed so much in that particular region
that it is almost *impossible* to establish the concept of EXACT
spelling.

In my own experience, I found over 15 different variations for the
family name Venetianer which is quite an unique surname. What can
then be said of common surnames such as Weisz, Klein or Schwartz?

Also, never forget that surnames could change according to the
predominant language at a given period of time. In Hungary, for
example, "magyarositas" was a very common practice. Wolf became
Farkas, Stern became Csillag, Weisz became Feher, Feldman became
Mezo:s or Mezei and Klein, Kiss (and so on). The same happened in
other countries of Eastern Europe. Even sephardi Jews, who fled >from
the Inquisition, took German names when they emigrated to German
speaking countries (Montefiori became Blumenthal, Nogueira turned
into Nussbaum and so on).

My personal opinion is that ALL variations must be investigated. One
way to establish if a given spelling variation is relevant is to run
a Daitch-Mokotoff (D-M) soundex test. Just to make my point, how
close are the spellings of the surnames Venetianer and Finazie? In
D-M soundex they are almost **identical**! (D-M # 763690 and 764000)

the best
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 03.01.01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:46:23 -0500
>| X-Message-Number: 5
>|
>| I have been entering general data into a spreadsheet for a particular
>| Hungarian county for posting on H-SIG, and am wondering whether the group
>| has any wisdom on the most appropriate method to deal with last name
>| spelling issues. ... If anyone has any views on this, please let
>| me know.
>| --Joan Hartman
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: US Census Records and the American Community Survey #hungary

Herb Meyers <herbiem@...>
 

The survey sounds much like the long census form some people received
last year as part of the regular census.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO
herbiem@mindspring.com

-----Original Message-----
From: moishe@langsam.com <moishe@langsam.com>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: US Census Records and the American Community Survey


Hi,

I know there has been some talk of preserving your own census
responses. I
would like to present a new dimension to the US Census and ask if
anybody
knows if this also took place prior to 1930?

I just received >from the US Dept of Commerce an American Community
Survey.
The Census Bureau describes it as a survey to provide more timely data
than
data typically collected once every ten years. It is 22 pages long and
asks


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: wisdom on name transliterations? #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Joan,

You raise a very important point in genealogical research, mainly
that of East European Jewish subjects surnames spellings. Borders,
rulers and languages have changed so much in that particular region
that it is almost *impossible* to establish the concept of EXACT
spelling.

In my own experience, I found over 15 different variations for the
family name Venetianer which is quite an unique surname. What can
then be said of common surnames such as Weisz, Klein or Schwartz?

Also, never forget that surnames could change according to the
predominant language at a given period of time. In Hungary, for
example, "magyarositas" was a very common practice. Wolf became
Farkas, Stern became Csillag, Weisz became Feher, Feldman became
Mezo:s or Mezei and Klein, Kiss (and so on). The same happened in
other countries of Eastern Europe. Even sephardi Jews, who fled >from
the Inquisition, took German names when they emigrated to German
speaking countries (Montefiori became Blumenthal, Nogueira turned
into Nussbaum and so on).

My personal opinion is that ALL variations must be investigated. One
way to establish if a given spelling variation is relevant is to run
a Daitch-Mokotoff (D-M) soundex test. Just to make my point, how
close are the spellings of the surnames Venetianer and Finazie? In
D-M soundex they are almost **identical**! (D-M # 763690 and 764000)

the best
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 03.01.01, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:46:23 -0500
>| X-Message-Number: 5
>|
>| I have been entering general data into a spreadsheet for a particular
>| Hungarian county for posting on H-SIG, and am wondering whether the group
>| has any wisdom on the most appropriate method to deal with last name
>| spelling issues. ... If anyone has any views on this, please let
>| me know.
>| --Joan Hartman
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Re: Workmen's Circle, Arbeter Ring #general

Elliott Terman <termite@...>
 

My MGF and MGM are buried in the Workmen's Circle, Arbiter Ring in the
Wellwood Cemetery in Pinelawn, NY. If you feel so inclined you could
contact the cemetery office. I do not have a current telephone number
right close to me ... but, the number can be gotten >from information
... and even online. Go to http://www.switchboard.com
Elliott Terman
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Workmen's Circle, Arbeter Ring #general

Elliott Terman <termite@...>
 

My MGF and MGM are buried in the Workmen's Circle, Arbiter Ring in the
Wellwood Cemetery in Pinelawn, NY. If you feel so inclined you could
contact the cemetery office. I do not have a current telephone number
right close to me ... but, the number can be gotten >from information
... and even online. Go to http://www.switchboard.com
Elliott Terman
New York


Social Security App for Louis C KATZ #general

Kathy Keane <kkfish@...>
 

Hi everyone: I received the following Social Security Application, and its
not my grandfather (darn!). I would be happy to mail it to its rightful
owner:

Louis Charles KATZ
125 B. W. 168th Street, Bronx New York
Business: Bloomingdales
age: 37
DOB: 9/15/1900
Born: NYC
father David Katz
Mother Regina Freyer
dated 11/22/1937

Kathy Keane
Hermosa Beach CA
kkfish@earthlink.net


Need Info on British 106 Bomber Squadron #general

David Rosner
 

My Uncle was a "Yank in the RAF" and served with the 106 Bomber Squadron
(Lancasters) until he was Killed in Action, during 1943.

His name was Eugene Rosner, born 1920-21

if anyone has any information on the Squadron at all, I'd appreciate it...



David Rosner
ICQ: 44826086
Searching:
REISZ, TESCHNER, KOHN, WILHELM, ZERKOWITZ - Trencin County, Hungary
ROSNER, LAUFER - Bukovina --> USA, ISR
MARCOVICI, MANDEL - Dorohoi, Romania --> USA, ISR, FRA
SHURE - Bryansk, Russia ---> USA; MALMBERG - Sweden
KAPLAN - Zagare, Lithuania ---> USA, SAF
ANTMAN - Russia; OLIAS - Poland; BLOCH, BLOCK - Lithuania


Re: Immigration to USA through Canada #general

MsRachelR <msrachelr@...>
 

Ruth - I was able to find the passenger list >from the "boat" that my
grandfather arrived on >from Canada into Lewiston, NY. I had the date and
port >from my grandfather's naturalization papers. I suppose the boat was
more like what we think of today as a ferry. There was alot of information
provided on that passenger list. These collective passenger lists are
referred to as St Albans lists, as I believe it covers several small ports
bordering Canada in the Northeast US. Check out information on the NARA
website --->
http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/immigration/immigrat.html

I understand that it is possible through the Canadian Archives to find the
passenger arrival lists of our families who arrived *into* Canada - but I
personally have not gone down that path............. yet.

Rachel Reisman in Poughkeepsie, NY

Researching: KAPELUSNIC(Janow/Ivanovo), RATNOWSKY(Janow/Ivanovo),
LEVINE(Vilna/Kovno), GORDON(Vilna/Kovno), MALARSKA(Warsaw/Odessa?),
REISMAN/RAJZMAN(Warsaw/Odessa?), ABRAHAMSON(Russia-but where?),
SIMON(Russia-but where?)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Social Security App for Louis C KATZ #general

Kathy Keane <kkfish@...>
 

Hi everyone: I received the following Social Security Application, and its
not my grandfather (darn!). I would be happy to mail it to its rightful
owner:

Louis Charles KATZ
125 B. W. 168th Street, Bronx New York
Business: Bloomingdales
age: 37
DOB: 9/15/1900
Born: NYC
father David Katz
Mother Regina Freyer
dated 11/22/1937

Kathy Keane
Hermosa Beach CA
kkfish@earthlink.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need Info on British 106 Bomber Squadron #general

David Rosner
 

My Uncle was a "Yank in the RAF" and served with the 106 Bomber Squadron
(Lancasters) until he was Killed in Action, during 1943.

His name was Eugene Rosner, born 1920-21

if anyone has any information on the Squadron at all, I'd appreciate it...



David Rosner
ICQ: 44826086
Searching:
REISZ, TESCHNER, KOHN, WILHELM, ZERKOWITZ - Trencin County, Hungary
ROSNER, LAUFER - Bukovina --> USA, ISR
MARCOVICI, MANDEL - Dorohoi, Romania --> USA, ISR, FRA
SHURE - Bryansk, Russia ---> USA; MALMBERG - Sweden
KAPLAN - Zagare, Lithuania ---> USA, SAF
ANTMAN - Russia; OLIAS - Poland; BLOCH, BLOCK - Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Immigration to USA through Canada #general

MsRachelR <msrachelr@...>
 

Ruth - I was able to find the passenger list >from the "boat" that my
grandfather arrived on >from Canada into Lewiston, NY. I had the date and
port >from my grandfather's naturalization papers. I suppose the boat was
more like what we think of today as a ferry. There was alot of information
provided on that passenger list. These collective passenger lists are
referred to as St Albans lists, as I believe it covers several small ports
bordering Canada in the Northeast US. Check out information on the NARA
website --->
http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/immigration/immigrat.html

I understand that it is possible through the Canadian Archives to find the
passenger arrival lists of our families who arrived *into* Canada - but I
personally have not gone down that path............. yet.

Rachel Reisman in Poughkeepsie, NY

Researching: KAPELUSNIC(Janow/Ivanovo), RATNOWSKY(Janow/Ivanovo),
LEVINE(Vilna/Kovno), GORDON(Vilna/Kovno), MALARSKA(Warsaw/Odessa?),
REISMAN/RAJZMAN(Warsaw/Odessa?), ABRAHAMSON(Russia-but where?),
SIMON(Russia-but where?)


Check out **New** ShtetLinks site for Kremenets, Ukraine #general

ssroth@...
 

I am pleased to announce the debut of the Kremenets, Ukraine website on
JewishGen’s ShtetLinks site. The website is a project of the Kremenets
Shtetl CO-OP which operates under the auspices of JRI-Poland. At this
time, the site contains some general information about Kremenets,
information about Kremenets records, materials donated by Kremenets
researchers, as well as updates on the progress of the Kremenets Shtetl
CO-OP. The site will be updated regularly so visit us often. You can
find the site at: http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/Kremenets/

Sheree Roth
Co-coordinator Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP


Harry Kars and Benjamin Korshsinski #general

SHEILA TOFFELL <toffell@...>
 

While looking for members of my Korsunski / Karsunski family in the Natz.
records for NYC, I came across these two names. Both state they were from
Kiev, Russia, which is what is on my G .Uncle, Aaron Karsunski's form, even
thought he came >from Stavische. The details are as follows:
Herschel Korsunski, landed as Harry, Changed his name legally to Harry
Kars. Wife's name Rebecca.
Benjamin Korshinski, landed as Benzi. Wife's name also Rebecca.

Both born around 1860 - 70
I am trying to establish a connection with my Karsunsky family from
Stavische or Tarasche, as both first names are common to us, and the name
Korsunsky has surfaced in many forms. Even if there is no connection, I did
copy the Natz forms and have census inf. that I took down, "just in case".
If these people might be >from your family, I will gladly pass them on to
you.

Sheila Toffell
--
Searching for, in the Ukraine:
KARSUNSKY / KORSUNSKY Stavische and Tarasche
BREZHENEV / BREZHNEV Yelisavetograd (Kirovograd)
In Poland:
LAKUMSKI, Skulsk
RAFELSKI(spelling unclear) Lodz area
TOFFEL Opole Lubielski, Josefow nad Wisla


Re: One story behind the age changes #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Bernie Auerbach wrote, " Few Jews ever had their births and deaths recorded
with authorities, especially in Eastern Europe" I beg to differ. This
theory would negate the millions of vital records recorded by the Mormon
Family History Library. I have personally examined perhaps a hundred
thousand vital Jewish records on both microfilm and original records in
Polish and Lithuanian Archives. With luck one can even find 18th century
records. These records were of course kept by the authorities and that is
why we can access them today.

Happy New Year,
Betty Provizer Starkman
Bloomfield Hills, MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Check out **New** ShtetLinks site for Kremenets, Ukraine #general

ssroth@...
 

I am pleased to announce the debut of the Kremenets, Ukraine website on
JewishGen’s ShtetLinks site. The website is a project of the Kremenets
Shtetl CO-OP which operates under the auspices of JRI-Poland. At this
time, the site contains some general information about Kremenets,
information about Kremenets records, materials donated by Kremenets
researchers, as well as updates on the progress of the Kremenets Shtetl
CO-OP. The site will be updated regularly so visit us often. You can
find the site at: http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/Kremenets/

Sheree Roth
Co-coordinator Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Harry Kars and Benjamin Korshsinski #general

SHEILA TOFFELL <toffell@...>
 

While looking for members of my Korsunski / Karsunski family in the Natz.
records for NYC, I came across these two names. Both state they were from
Kiev, Russia, which is what is on my G .Uncle, Aaron Karsunski's form, even
thought he came >from Stavische. The details are as follows:
Herschel Korsunski, landed as Harry, Changed his name legally to Harry
Kars. Wife's name Rebecca.
Benjamin Korshinski, landed as Benzi. Wife's name also Rebecca.

Both born around 1860 - 70
I am trying to establish a connection with my Karsunsky family from
Stavische or Tarasche, as both first names are common to us, and the name
Korsunsky has surfaced in many forms. Even if there is no connection, I did
copy the Natz forms and have census inf. that I took down, "just in case".
If these people might be >from your family, I will gladly pass them on to
you.

Sheila Toffell
--
Searching for, in the Ukraine:
KARSUNSKY / KORSUNSKY Stavische and Tarasche
BREZHENEV / BREZHNEV Yelisavetograd (Kirovograd)
In Poland:
LAKUMSKI, Skulsk
RAFELSKI(spelling unclear) Lodz area
TOFFEL Opole Lubielski, Josefow nad Wisla


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: One story behind the age changes #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Bernie Auerbach wrote, " Few Jews ever had their births and deaths recorded
with authorities, especially in Eastern Europe" I beg to differ. This
theory would negate the millions of vital records recorded by the Mormon
Family History Library. I have personally examined perhaps a hundred
thousand vital Jewish records on both microfilm and original records in
Polish and Lithuanian Archives. With luck one can even find 18th century
records. These records were of course kept by the authorities and that is
why we can access them today.

Happy New Year,
Betty Provizer Starkman
Bloomfield Hills, MI