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Re: The Movable Tavern #hungary

teddyg1@...
 

Dear Marc and H-SIG friends,
Permit me to add my two cents to your interesting family story. It seems to
me that the ancestor your grand father was talking about is a member of the
Hibschman family that lived in Bodruzal very close to the the Polish border.
Tobias Hibshman, my ggf, after whom I am named, had a son and several
daughters. The son, Leopold Hibshman, my gf and one of the daughtera Ann
Hibshman married to Polster. In the Bodruzal home they had a Tavern where my
mother remembers it and they used to attend the local an polish soldiers
comming >from the nearby polish Dukla town. Eventually, the Polsters also had
a Tavern parallel to the Bodruzal one, that I do not know. But I do know
that, the Goldsteins, who lived in Nizni Orlich, not far >from Bodruzal and
not far >from Polanka where your Polster ancestors lived, also had a Tavern.
The Goldstein home, owned originally by my gggf Moishe Goldstein, than by my
ggf David Goldstein and then by his son my gf Zwi Goldstein had also a
Tavern and it is now owned by the Police Officer of the town.
Touvia (Teddy) Goldstein
Israel
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756

---- Original Message -----
From: Marc & Laura Polster <mpolster@pacbell.net>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: The Movable Tavern


All this talk about taverns reminds me of a Polster family legend. I have
no data, just a story passed to me by my grandfather and corroborated by
his
siblings. A Polster ancestor ran a tavern apparently along the Polish
Slovak border (near Dukla I presume). When the Polish tax collector
arrived, the tavern owner would claim to be on the Slovak side of the
border. When the Slovak tax collector arrived, my ancestor claimed to be
on
the Polish side of the border. Quite resourceful and/or terrible civil
surveys...

Marc Polster

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Auslander" <jausland@pipeline.com>
To: "Hungarian SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: More tavern owners


My GGGF & GGF, Meyer & Mendel Auslander ran a hekdesh or korchma, a
wayfarer's inn, in Hluboke (midway between Ungvar/Uzhorod and Seredne).
This part of Carpathia still is wine country. As I understand an
Auszenkier or Ausschenker was a bartender/innkeeper.

Moshe Aaron "Kakas" Auslander (1853-1931), and Esther/Etus Gottesman (d.
1931) ran the Kakas Hus (To The Rooster) Inn in Munkacz. Each autumn,
Morris would load his sled with wine bought >from the local peasants.
Can't quite fix his relation to me if any.

Jordan Auslander, NYC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: The Movable Tavern #hungary

teddyg1@...
 

Dear Marc and H-SIG friends,
Permit me to add my two cents to your interesting family story. It seems to
me that the ancestor your grand father was talking about is a member of the
Hibschman family that lived in Bodruzal very close to the the Polish border.
Tobias Hibshman, my ggf, after whom I am named, had a son and several
daughters. The son, Leopold Hibshman, my gf and one of the daughtera Ann
Hibshman married to Polster. In the Bodruzal home they had a Tavern where my
mother remembers it and they used to attend the local an polish soldiers
comming >from the nearby polish Dukla town. Eventually, the Polsters also had
a Tavern parallel to the Bodruzal one, that I do not know. But I do know
that, the Goldsteins, who lived in Nizni Orlich, not far >from Bodruzal and
not far >from Polanka where your Polster ancestors lived, also had a Tavern.
The Goldstein home, owned originally by my gggf Moishe Goldstein, than by my
ggf David Goldstein and then by his son my gf Zwi Goldstein had also a
Tavern and it is now owned by the Police Officer of the town.
Touvia (Teddy) Goldstein
Israel
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756

---- Original Message -----
From: Marc & Laura Polster <mpolster@pacbell.net>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: The Movable Tavern


All this talk about taverns reminds me of a Polster family legend. I have
no data, just a story passed to me by my grandfather and corroborated by
his
siblings. A Polster ancestor ran a tavern apparently along the Polish
Slovak border (near Dukla I presume). When the Polish tax collector
arrived, the tavern owner would claim to be on the Slovak side of the
border. When the Slovak tax collector arrived, my ancestor claimed to be
on
the Polish side of the border. Quite resourceful and/or terrible civil
surveys...

Marc Polster

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Auslander" <jausland@pipeline.com>
To: "Hungarian SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: More tavern owners


My GGGF & GGF, Meyer & Mendel Auslander ran a hekdesh or korchma, a
wayfarer's inn, in Hluboke (midway between Ungvar/Uzhorod and Seredne).
This part of Carpathia still is wine country. As I understand an
Auszenkier or Ausschenker was a bartender/innkeeper.

Moshe Aaron "Kakas" Auslander (1853-1931), and Esther/Etus Gottesman (d.
1931) ran the Kakas Hus (To The Rooster) Inn in Munkacz. Each autumn,
Morris would load his sled with wine bought >from the local peasants.
Can't quite fix his relation to me if any.

Jordan Auslander, NYC


1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census #hungary

Eric M. Bloch
 

Thanks to all the volunteers who have come forward to help with this
exciting new project and who have offered some excellent suggestions for
helping make this a more manageable and accurate process. So far, we
have a total of 17 on our volunteer list. More are always welcome.

We are currently in the process of writing a set of instructions for
volunteers, as well as preparing our proposal to Jewishgen for hosting
this new searchable database. Many of you are anxious to start working
on the project, but please be patient as we get all the preliminaries
taken care of first. We want to ensure we are headed in the proper
direction before we start moving.

Eric M. Bloch
Coordinator
1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census


Re: Jewish Census and Migration #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <thidas@...>
 

on 2/4/02 6:19 PM, Robert Neu at roneu1@yahoo.com wrote:

What documentation do you have that dates back to the
1600's? Remember only the Burgenland and the Slovakian
provinces were not under Turkish rule. It is also
believed that Jews who were there with thr Turks left
with them specially after the Austrians liberated Buda
and killed everyone who was there. In the same vein
Jews that were there in 1526 either left or were taken
to Turkey (though many came back later on.)
Jewish presence in Hungary goes back to the Romans,
but with many in and ou, like the rest of Europe.

Also most did not use family names. Even in the 1828
Census I have found Jews only referred by one name
that looked more like a first name, also others where
the last name if a first name.most probably the
father's first name.
Regards
Robert Neu
--- Wayne and Caroline McCullough
I have been able to reconstruct with the help of archival resources an
outline of the history of the Sacher family of Balassagyarmat and Losonc
from the 1720s.

Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/thidas
For photographs go to
http://www.community.webshots.com/user/peterhidas


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census #hungary

Eric M. Bloch
 

Thanks to all the volunteers who have come forward to help with this
exciting new project and who have offered some excellent suggestions for
helping make this a more manageable and accurate process. So far, we
have a total of 17 on our volunteer list. More are always welcome.

We are currently in the process of writing a set of instructions for
volunteers, as well as preparing our proposal to Jewishgen for hosting
this new searchable database. Many of you are anxious to start working
on the project, but please be patient as we get all the preliminaries
taken care of first. We want to ensure we are headed in the proper
direction before we start moving.

Eric M. Bloch
Coordinator
1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Jewish Census and Migration #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <thidas@...>
 

on 2/4/02 6:19 PM, Robert Neu at roneu1@yahoo.com wrote:

What documentation do you have that dates back to the
1600's? Remember only the Burgenland and the Slovakian
provinces were not under Turkish rule. It is also
believed that Jews who were there with thr Turks left
with them specially after the Austrians liberated Buda
and killed everyone who was there. In the same vein
Jews that were there in 1526 either left or were taken
to Turkey (though many came back later on.)
Jewish presence in Hungary goes back to the Romans,
but with many in and ou, like the rest of Europe.

Also most did not use family names. Even in the 1828
Census I have found Jews only referred by one name
that looked more like a first name, also others where
the last name if a first name.most probably the
father's first name.
Regards
Robert Neu
--- Wayne and Caroline McCullough
I have been able to reconstruct with the help of archival resources an
outline of the history of the Sacher family of Balassagyarmat and Losonc
from the 1720s.

Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/thidas
For photographs go to
http://www.community.webshots.com/user/peterhidas


Re: Moderator's comments #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

dear bernard,

while i sympathize with you, i don't see that it's a big problem to *skip* this thread, since every single message has been properly labelled in the subject field with some variation on "moderator whatever", and you can just delete them without even opening them. to be more direct, NOBODY IS FORCING YOU AT GUNPOINT to read those messages, either.

stuff that you may not be interested in, is not always "unnecessary" or "useless" to other people. fortunately, our moderator seems to take a more liberal view, that these comments are allowable.

and i'm not aware that there are any limits on the available bandwidth for this group, so these comments are not posted at the expense of other content, so why not?

regards,

....... tom klein, toronto

Bernard Weill <linktree@yahoo.com> wrote:
h-sig>
h-sig> This discussion about moderators and its value seems to continue
h-sig> without interruption. I am tired of reading about it. If people
h-sig> have a problem with moderator's comments, LEAVE the discussion
h-sig> group. NOBODY IS BEING FORCED AT GUNPOINT to belong to these
h-sig> discussion groups. Let us get on with the business at hand and
h-sig> drop this other silly topic once and for all. I would recommend
h-sig> to the moderator to cut your losses by refusing to post further
h-sig> these unnecessary comments and useless complaints.
h-sig>
h-sig> Bernard Weill


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Moderator's comments #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

dear bernard,

while i sympathize with you, i don't see that it's a big problem to *skip* this thread, since every single message has been properly labelled in the subject field with some variation on "moderator whatever", and you can just delete them without even opening them. to be more direct, NOBODY IS FORCING YOU AT GUNPOINT to read those messages, either.

stuff that you may not be interested in, is not always "unnecessary" or "useless" to other people. fortunately, our moderator seems to take a more liberal view, that these comments are allowable.

and i'm not aware that there are any limits on the available bandwidth for this group, so these comments are not posted at the expense of other content, so why not?

regards,

....... tom klein, toronto

Bernard Weill <linktree@yahoo.com> wrote:
h-sig>
h-sig> This discussion about moderators and its value seems to continue
h-sig> without interruption. I am tired of reading about it. If people
h-sig> have a problem with moderator's comments, LEAVE the discussion
h-sig> group. NOBODY IS BEING FORCED AT GUNPOINT to belong to these
h-sig> discussion groups. Let us get on with the business at hand and
h-sig> drop this other silly topic once and for all. I would recommend
h-sig> to the moderator to cut your losses by refusing to post further
h-sig> these unnecessary comments and useless complaints.
h-sig>
h-sig> Bernard Weill


Re: Preventing blank e-mails #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

all this discussion of blank e-mails is getting rather tedious.

for whatever reason, there have been *no* blank messages in the digest form of the list, so i would suggest that those people who are concerned switch their subscriptions to "digest", and we can get back to discussions of genealogy.

regards,

....... tom klein, toronto

Moderator VK: Thank you, Tom!


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Preventing blank e-mails #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

all this discussion of blank e-mails is getting rather tedious.

for whatever reason, there have been *no* blank messages in the digest form of the list, so i would suggest that those people who are concerned switch their subscriptions to "digest", and we can get back to discussions of genealogy.

regards,

....... tom klein, toronto

Moderator VK: Thank you, Tom!


The Movable Tavern #hungary

Marc & Laura Polster <mpolster@...>
 

All this talk about taverns reminds me of a Polster family legend. I have
no data, just a story passed to me by my grandfather and corroborated by his
siblings. A Polster ancestor ran a tavern apparently along the Polish
Slovak border (near Dukla I presume). When the Polish tax collector
arrived, the tavern owner would claim to be on the Slovak side of the
border. When the Slovak tax collector arrived, my ancestor claimed to be on
the Polish side of the border. Quite resourceful and/or terrible civil
surveys...

Marc Polster

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Auslander" <jausland@pipeline.com>
To: "Hungarian SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: More tavern owners


My GGGF & GGF, Meyer & Mendel Auslander ran a hekdesh or korchma, a
wayfarer's inn, in Hluboke (midway between Ungvar/Uzhorod and Seredne).
This part of Carpathia still is wine country. As I understand an
Auszenkier or Ausschenker was a bartender/innkeeper.

Moshe Aaron "Kakas" Auslander (1853-1931), and Esther/Etus Gottesman (d.
1931) ran the Kakas Hus (To The Rooster) Inn in Munkacz. Each autumn,
Morris would load his sled with wine bought >from the local peasants.
Can't quite fix his relation to me if any.

Jordan Auslander, NYC


Hungary SIG #Hungary The Movable Tavern #hungary

Marc & Laura Polster <mpolster@...>
 

All this talk about taverns reminds me of a Polster family legend. I have
no data, just a story passed to me by my grandfather and corroborated by his
siblings. A Polster ancestor ran a tavern apparently along the Polish
Slovak border (near Dukla I presume). When the Polish tax collector
arrived, the tavern owner would claim to be on the Slovak side of the
border. When the Slovak tax collector arrived, my ancestor claimed to be on
the Polish side of the border. Quite resourceful and/or terrible civil
surveys...

Marc Polster

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Auslander" <jausland@pipeline.com>
To: "Hungarian SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: More tavern owners


My GGGF & GGF, Meyer & Mendel Auslander ran a hekdesh or korchma, a
wayfarer's inn, in Hluboke (midway between Ungvar/Uzhorod and Seredne).
This part of Carpathia still is wine country. As I understand an
Auszenkier or Ausschenker was a bartender/innkeeper.

Moshe Aaron "Kakas" Auslander (1853-1931), and Esther/Etus Gottesman (d.
1931) ran the Kakas Hus (To The Rooster) Inn in Munkacz. Each autumn,
Morris would load his sled with wine bought >from the local peasants.
Can't quite fix his relation to me if any.

Jordan Auslander, NYC


Re: GELDWERTH/WEIDENFELD #galicia

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

On 2002-01-29, Denise Azbill <famaz1@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello! I am looking for information about a Naftali WEIDENFELD,
who was supposedly the brother of Yitzhak, Nachum and Dov Ber
WEIDENFELD, all rabbis.
I have learned that the ancestor of the three WEIDENFELD brothers
was married twice, and that there were several children >from the
previous marriage, which took place many years before his second
marriage. So, now I have a new avenue to research. If anyone knows
anything about this first marriage of Eliezer WEIDENFELD, any
information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you again!

Sincerely,
Denise Azbill


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: GELDWERTH/WEIDENFELD #rabbinic

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

On 2002-01-29, Denise Azbill <famaz1@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello! I am looking for information about a Naftali WEIDENFELD,
who was supposedly the brother of Yitzhak, Nachum and Dov Ber
WEIDENFELD, all rabbis.
I have learned that the ancestor of the three WEIDENFELD brothers
was married twice, and that there were several children >from the
previous marriage, which took place many years before his second
marriage. So, now I have a new avenue to research. If anyone knows
anything about this first marriage of Eliezer WEIDENFELD, any
information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you again!

Sincerely,
Denise Azbill


New Member #lithuania

bigfish <bigfish@...>
 

Hello. I'm a new member of the Keidan mailing list.

My name is Sam Schleman and my email address is Bigfish@pond.com. I'm located
in the Philadelphia suburbs - Malvern specifically.

The reason that I have joined the list is that I recently became involved
(obsessed) with tracing my Father's family genealogy. This in turn led me to
the JewishGen database for Lithuania, where I discoved my ancestors living in
Keidan in 1874 under the name "Schleyerman". Of those there in 1874, a number
emigrated to the US, my Great Grandfather, his wife and one remaining daughter
stayed until 1898, where they showed up in the 1898 census in Vilijampole.
They emigrated that same year. The others listed in the 1874 census appear to
have "disappeared."

I'm not sure if they were originally >from Keidan, since they do not show up in
any other lists other than the two census' mentioned, and the "missing"
Schleyerman's may have emigrated to another country, since they do not show up
in the 1898 census and appear to have never come to the US.

However, since I am able to place them in Keidan, at least in 1874, I find all
the history and stories about Keidan both very interesting and it suddenly has
become very personal.

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Bigfish@pond.com


Keidan Jews #Keidan #Lithuania New Member #lithuania

bigfish <bigfish@...>
 

Hello. I'm a new member of the Keidan mailing list.

My name is Sam Schleman and my email address is Bigfish@pond.com. I'm located
in the Philadelphia suburbs - Malvern specifically.

The reason that I have joined the list is that I recently became involved
(obsessed) with tracing my Father's family genealogy. This in turn led me to
the JewishGen database for Lithuania, where I discoved my ancestors living in
Keidan in 1874 under the name "Schleyerman". Of those there in 1874, a number
emigrated to the US, my Great Grandfather, his wife and one remaining daughter
stayed until 1898, where they showed up in the 1898 census in Vilijampole.
They emigrated that same year. The others listed in the 1874 census appear to
have "disappeared."

I'm not sure if they were originally >from Keidan, since they do not show up in
any other lists other than the two census' mentioned, and the "missing"
Schleyerman's may have emigrated to another country, since they do not show up
in the 1898 census and appear to have never come to the US.

However, since I am able to place them in Keidan, at least in 1874, I find all
the history and stories about Keidan both very interesting and it suddenly has
become very personal.

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Bigfish@pond.com


e-Bay item - Yizkor book BELZ GALICIA #galicia

Alicia Jensen <aliciajens@...>
 

Hello Everyone!
Just saw this at E-Bay and thought perhaps someone (or a group of
you) would be interested in it...


Yizkor book BELZ GALICIA Item # 1070993270
Current Bid................$85.00 0 bid history
Buy It Now for...........$120.00 (This option disappears
once a bid is placed.)
Auction ends Feb-14-2 4:329:33 PST

"This important book, hard to find, was published by the Union of the
remnants of the Jewish community of Belz and surroundings in Israel with
the support of remnants >from USA, in 1974.

This memories book of the Jewish community of BELZ relates, in Hebrew
and in Yiddish, with pictures, the annals of the place."
----------

There is more description of it, as well as photos. Anyone interested
can go to:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1070993270>

I have no connection to the seller of this book, nor know anything about
it more than what is posted about it at e-Bay.
All the Best to all,
Alicia Jensen
Southern California, US
aliciajens@earthlink.net
Bennett / Wohl Genealogy - which includes all my lines
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aliciajens

Always searching for:
DISKIN, TALALAY (I), TAYLOR
-Mogilev, Belarus; to Michigan, US
(and yes, Thanks! I know Schelly Dardashti!)
BROTT, FORTGANG, WOHL
-Tarnobrzeg, Austria / Poland; to New York to Michigan, US
BARROW, POTTER, NEWSHAM, WREGLESWORTH (and variants)
- in Lancs and Yorks, England; and to Canada; to Michigan, US
MADER, McBRIDE, NIMPFER, WEST
-Germany; to Pennsylvania; and to Michigan, US


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia e-Bay item - Yizkor book BELZ GALICIA #galicia

Alicia Jensen <aliciajens@...>
 

Hello Everyone!
Just saw this at E-Bay and thought perhaps someone (or a group of
you) would be interested in it...


Yizkor book BELZ GALICIA Item # 1070993270
Current Bid................$85.00 0 bid history
Buy It Now for...........$120.00 (This option disappears
once a bid is placed.)
Auction ends Feb-14-2 4:329:33 PST

"This important book, hard to find, was published by the Union of the
remnants of the Jewish community of Belz and surroundings in Israel with
the support of remnants >from USA, in 1974.

This memories book of the Jewish community of BELZ relates, in Hebrew
and in Yiddish, with pictures, the annals of the place."
----------

There is more description of it, as well as photos. Anyone interested
can go to:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1070993270>

I have no connection to the seller of this book, nor know anything about
it more than what is posted about it at e-Bay.
All the Best to all,
Alicia Jensen
Southern California, US
aliciajens@earthlink.net
Bennett / Wohl Genealogy - which includes all my lines
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aliciajens

Always searching for:
DISKIN, TALALAY (I), TAYLOR
-Mogilev, Belarus; to Michigan, US
(and yes, Thanks! I know Schelly Dardashti!)
BROTT, FORTGANG, WOHL
-Tarnobrzeg, Austria / Poland; to New York to Michigan, US
BARROW, POTTER, NEWSHAM, WREGLESWORTH (and variants)
- in Lancs and Yorks, England; and to Canada; to Michigan, US
MADER, McBRIDE, NIMPFER, WEST
-Germany; to Pennsylvania; and to Michigan, US


Finding a Chazn #rabbinic

Michael Marx <mhmarx@...>
 

Shalom,

I am told my great grandfather, Salomon COHN, was a chazn in
Rogasen, Posen, Germany (today Rogozno, Poland). He was born 11
January 1830 in Schwerin an der Warthe, Posen (Skwierzyna, Poland).
He lived in Hamburg >from 8 May 1877 until 11 April 1882 and then
moved to Rogasen. I do not know when he died. He had 12 children
from two marriages. His second wife, Rebecca geb. COHN, was the
mother of my grandfather.

Can anyone suggest where I might find records that would tell me if
he was, in fact, a chazn? I would like to confirm this information
and learn more about him and the community he served.

Michael Marx Lexington, MA, USA email: MHMarx@mindspring.com

Researching: BACHMAN(Mannheim), COHN(Hamburg, Rogasen, Berlin),
FALK(Malsch), GOLDSTEIN(Labischin), HESS(Malsch), MARX(Shriesheim,
Mannheim), MAYER(Dreisen), VANDSBURGER(Prust, Berlin), WEIL(Schmieheim),
ZIMMERN(Michelfeld)


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Finding a Chazn #rabbinic

Michael Marx <mhmarx@...>
 

Shalom,

I am told my great grandfather, Salomon COHN, was a chazn in
Rogasen, Posen, Germany (today Rogozno, Poland). He was born 11
January 1830 in Schwerin an der Warthe, Posen (Skwierzyna, Poland).
He lived in Hamburg >from 8 May 1877 until 11 April 1882 and then
moved to Rogasen. I do not know when he died. He had 12 children
from two marriages. His second wife, Rebecca geb. COHN, was the
mother of my grandfather.

Can anyone suggest where I might find records that would tell me if
he was, in fact, a chazn? I would like to confirm this information
and learn more about him and the community he served.

Michael Marx Lexington, MA, USA email: MHMarx@mindspring.com

Researching: BACHMAN(Mannheim), COHN(Hamburg, Rogasen, Berlin),
FALK(Malsch), GOLDSTEIN(Labischin), HESS(Malsch), MARX(Shriesheim,
Mannheim), MAYER(Dreisen), VANDSBURGER(Prust, Berlin), WEIL(Schmieheim),
ZIMMERN(Michelfeld)