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Re: Jewish Census and Migration #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Yes, and that is fine. I did read your email etc .
1720 (18th Century), is after the departure of the
Turks, and some of your family is >from the Western
part of Hungary and even Burgenland,

Robert Neu
--- "Peter I. Hidas" <thidas@sympatico.ca> wrote:





on 2/4/02 6:19 PM, Robert Neu at roneu1@yahoo.com
wrote:

What documentation do you have that dates back to
the
1600's? Remember only the Burgenland and the
Slovakian
provinces were not under Turkish rule. It is also
believed that Jews who were there with thr Turks
left
with them specially after the Austrians liberated
Buda
and killed everyone who was there. In the same
vein
Jews that were there in 1526 either left or were
taken
to Turkey (though many came back later on.)
Jewish presence in Hungary goes back to the
Romans,
but with many in and ou, like the rest of Europe.

Also most did not use family names. Even in the
1828
Census I have found Jews only referred by one name
that looked more like a first name, also others
where
the last name if a first name.most probably the
father's first name.
Regards
Robert Neu
--- Wayne and Caroline McCullough
I have been able to reconstruct with the help of
archival resources an
outline of the history of the Sacher family of
Balassagyarmat and Losonc
from the 1720s.

Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/thidas
For photographs go to
http://www.community.webshots.com/user/peterhidas


Re: Preselany,Slovakia #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Maybe it was misspelled. Preselany nad Ipfom was Pereszle'ny aka Hont.

Attila Rona


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Jewish Census and Migration #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Yes, and that is fine. I did read your email etc .
1720 (18th Century), is after the departure of the
Turks, and some of your family is >from the Western
part of Hungary and even Burgenland,

Robert Neu
--- "Peter I. Hidas" <thidas@sympatico.ca> wrote:





on 2/4/02 6:19 PM, Robert Neu at roneu1@yahoo.com
wrote:

What documentation do you have that dates back to
the
1600's? Remember only the Burgenland and the
Slovakian
provinces were not under Turkish rule. It is also
believed that Jews who were there with thr Turks
left
with them specially after the Austrians liberated
Buda
and killed everyone who was there. In the same
vein
Jews that were there in 1526 either left or were
taken
to Turkey (though many came back later on.)
Jewish presence in Hungary goes back to the
Romans,
but with many in and ou, like the rest of Europe.

Also most did not use family names. Even in the
1828
Census I have found Jews only referred by one name
that looked more like a first name, also others
where
the last name if a first name.most probably the
father's first name.
Regards
Robert Neu
--- Wayne and Caroline McCullough
I have been able to reconstruct with the help of
archival resources an
outline of the history of the Sacher family of
Balassagyarmat and Losonc
from the 1720s.

Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/thidas
For photographs go to
http://www.community.webshots.com/user/peterhidas


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Preselany,Slovakia #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Maybe it was misspelled. Preselany nad Ipfom was Pereszle'ny aka Hont.

Attila Rona


SZIRMAY #hungary

Gary Gershfield <gmgkpc@...>
 

I was trying to find out if there is anyone out there,who is researching
or has any information on the Szirmay family >from Budapest.
The family was headed by a--Dr.Istvan (AKA--Ignatz)Szirmay,who was
a known chemist, electrical engineer,and professor,and died around
1939.There is no confirmation of his death.His wife was Berta Szirmay.
Thank you for any assistance.
Sincerely,
Gary Gershfield
Forest Hills,NY
Researching SZIRMAY >from Budapest


Hungary SIG #Hungary SZIRMAY #hungary

Gary Gershfield <gmgkpc@...>
 

I was trying to find out if there is anyone out there,who is researching
or has any information on the Szirmay family >from Budapest.
The family was headed by a--Dr.Istvan (AKA--Ignatz)Szirmay,who was
a known chemist, electrical engineer,and professor,and died around
1939.There is no confirmation of his death.His wife was Berta Szirmay.
Thank you for any assistance.
Sincerely,
Gary Gershfield
Forest Hills,NY
Researching SZIRMAY >from Budapest


Canadian Address #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

The following inquiry don't exactly fit the H-SIG, still I hope that
some of you might be have an answer to it.
Sometimes after the liberation, in Kattowitz or in Chernowitz camp, I
came across Popper Istvan, I was around fifteen he might have been in
his thirties. After Chernowitz we were transported in an other camp into
White Russia, near Minsk, the town and camp was called Sluzk (Primo Levi
referred to this camp in his books). Pista bacsi was quite clever and
practically minded, so he became publisher of the camp news. So he
organized for the publishing team two separate rooms, where he, an
architect >from Budapest Szivo Pal, Lexi a POW or partisan, I can't say
and I moved. We were together until to our return to Hungary September
1945. We had more or less some contact in spite of I lived in
Bekescsaba and they in Budapest. 1956 all of us left the country, Szivo
Pali and I lived in Switzerland, having some loose contact with each
other, Popper Istvan or Steven moved to Canada. We had some contact, the
last card I found is >from 1957. The address on the card is, if I
properly decipher it is
Steven Popper
5240 V17N Horne Apr 4.
Montreal
In Budapest he lived on the Kiraly utca 67 or Majakovszki utca 67 on the
second or fourth floor. He was married and if I am correct had a
daughter and son. I tried the Canadian 411 on the Internet but didn't
found a direct lead resp. nobody in Montreal. Before I try in the Jewish
two weekly Uj Elet, I wanted to give a try in H-SIG, it could be that
some of you came across him or his family

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Hungary SIG #Hungary Canadian Address #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

The following inquiry don't exactly fit the H-SIG, still I hope that
some of you might be have an answer to it.
Sometimes after the liberation, in Kattowitz or in Chernowitz camp, I
came across Popper Istvan, I was around fifteen he might have been in
his thirties. After Chernowitz we were transported in an other camp into
White Russia, near Minsk, the town and camp was called Sluzk (Primo Levi
referred to this camp in his books). Pista bacsi was quite clever and
practically minded, so he became publisher of the camp news. So he
organized for the publishing team two separate rooms, where he, an
architect >from Budapest Szivo Pal, Lexi a POW or partisan, I can't say
and I moved. We were together until to our return to Hungary September
1945. We had more or less some contact in spite of I lived in
Bekescsaba and they in Budapest. 1956 all of us left the country, Szivo
Pali and I lived in Switzerland, having some loose contact with each
other, Popper Istvan or Steven moved to Canada. We had some contact, the
last card I found is >from 1957. The address on the card is, if I
properly decipher it is
Steven Popper
5240 V17N Horne Apr 4.
Montreal
In Budapest he lived on the Kiraly utca 67 or Majakovszki utca 67 on the
second or fourth floor. He was married and if I am correct had a
daughter and son. I tried the Canadian 411 on the Internet but didn't
found a direct lead resp. nobody in Montreal. Before I try in the Jewish
two weekly Uj Elet, I wanted to give a try in H-SIG, it could be that
some of you came across him or his family

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Re: The Movable Tavern #hungary

teddyg1@...
 

Dear Marc and H-SIG friends,
Permit me to add my two cents to your interesting family story. It seems to
me that the ancestor your grand father was talking about is a member of the
Hibschman family that lived in Bodruzal very close to the the Polish border.
Tobias Hibshman, my ggf, after whom I am named, had a son and several
daughters. The son, Leopold Hibshman, my gf and one of the daughtera Ann
Hibshman married to Polster. In the Bodruzal home they had a Tavern where my
mother remembers it and they used to attend the local an polish soldiers
comming >from the nearby polish Dukla town. Eventually, the Polsters also had
a Tavern parallel to the Bodruzal one, that I do not know. But I do know
that, the Goldsteins, who lived in Nizni Orlich, not far >from Bodruzal and
not far >from Polanka where your Polster ancestors lived, also had a Tavern.
The Goldstein home, owned originally by my gggf Moishe Goldstein, than by my
ggf David Goldstein and then by his son my gf Zwi Goldstein had also a
Tavern and it is now owned by the Police Officer of the town.
Touvia (Teddy) Goldstein
Israel
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756

---- Original Message -----
From: Marc & Laura Polster <mpolster@pacbell.net>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: The Movable Tavern


All this talk about taverns reminds me of a Polster family legend. I have
no data, just a story passed to me by my grandfather and corroborated by
his
siblings. A Polster ancestor ran a tavern apparently along the Polish
Slovak border (near Dukla I presume). When the Polish tax collector
arrived, the tavern owner would claim to be on the Slovak side of the
border. When the Slovak tax collector arrived, my ancestor claimed to be
on
the Polish side of the border. Quite resourceful and/or terrible civil
surveys...

Marc Polster

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Auslander" <jausland@pipeline.com>
To: "Hungarian SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: More tavern owners


My GGGF & GGF, Meyer & Mendel Auslander ran a hekdesh or korchma, a
wayfarer's inn, in Hluboke (midway between Ungvar/Uzhorod and Seredne).
This part of Carpathia still is wine country. As I understand an
Auszenkier or Ausschenker was a bartender/innkeeper.

Moshe Aaron "Kakas" Auslander (1853-1931), and Esther/Etus Gottesman (d.
1931) ran the Kakas Hus (To The Rooster) Inn in Munkacz. Each autumn,
Morris would load his sled with wine bought >from the local peasants.
Can't quite fix his relation to me if any.

Jordan Auslander, NYC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: The Movable Tavern #hungary

teddyg1@...
 

Dear Marc and H-SIG friends,
Permit me to add my two cents to your interesting family story. It seems to
me that the ancestor your grand father was talking about is a member of the
Hibschman family that lived in Bodruzal very close to the the Polish border.
Tobias Hibshman, my ggf, after whom I am named, had a son and several
daughters. The son, Leopold Hibshman, my gf and one of the daughtera Ann
Hibshman married to Polster. In the Bodruzal home they had a Tavern where my
mother remembers it and they used to attend the local an polish soldiers
comming >from the nearby polish Dukla town. Eventually, the Polsters also had
a Tavern parallel to the Bodruzal one, that I do not know. But I do know
that, the Goldsteins, who lived in Nizni Orlich, not far >from Bodruzal and
not far >from Polanka where your Polster ancestors lived, also had a Tavern.
The Goldstein home, owned originally by my gggf Moishe Goldstein, than by my
ggf David Goldstein and then by his son my gf Zwi Goldstein had also a
Tavern and it is now owned by the Police Officer of the town.
Touvia (Teddy) Goldstein
Israel
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756

---- Original Message -----
From: Marc & Laura Polster <mpolster@pacbell.net>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: The Movable Tavern


All this talk about taverns reminds me of a Polster family legend. I have
no data, just a story passed to me by my grandfather and corroborated by
his
siblings. A Polster ancestor ran a tavern apparently along the Polish
Slovak border (near Dukla I presume). When the Polish tax collector
arrived, the tavern owner would claim to be on the Slovak side of the
border. When the Slovak tax collector arrived, my ancestor claimed to be
on
the Polish side of the border. Quite resourceful and/or terrible civil
surveys...

Marc Polster

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Auslander" <jausland@pipeline.com>
To: "Hungarian SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: More tavern owners


My GGGF & GGF, Meyer & Mendel Auslander ran a hekdesh or korchma, a
wayfarer's inn, in Hluboke (midway between Ungvar/Uzhorod and Seredne).
This part of Carpathia still is wine country. As I understand an
Auszenkier or Ausschenker was a bartender/innkeeper.

Moshe Aaron "Kakas" Auslander (1853-1931), and Esther/Etus Gottesman (d.
1931) ran the Kakas Hus (To The Rooster) Inn in Munkacz. Each autumn,
Morris would load his sled with wine bought >from the local peasants.
Can't quite fix his relation to me if any.

Jordan Auslander, NYC


1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census #hungary

Eric M. Bloch
 

Thanks to all the volunteers who have come forward to help with this
exciting new project and who have offered some excellent suggestions for
helping make this a more manageable and accurate process. So far, we
have a total of 17 on our volunteer list. More are always welcome.

We are currently in the process of writing a set of instructions for
volunteers, as well as preparing our proposal to Jewishgen for hosting
this new searchable database. Many of you are anxious to start working
on the project, but please be patient as we get all the preliminaries
taken care of first. We want to ensure we are headed in the proper
direction before we start moving.

Eric M. Bloch
Coordinator
1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census


Re: Jewish Census and Migration #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <thidas@...>
 

on 2/4/02 6:19 PM, Robert Neu at roneu1@yahoo.com wrote:

What documentation do you have that dates back to the
1600's? Remember only the Burgenland and the Slovakian
provinces were not under Turkish rule. It is also
believed that Jews who were there with thr Turks left
with them specially after the Austrians liberated Buda
and killed everyone who was there. In the same vein
Jews that were there in 1526 either left or were taken
to Turkey (though many came back later on.)
Jewish presence in Hungary goes back to the Romans,
but with many in and ou, like the rest of Europe.

Also most did not use family names. Even in the 1828
Census I have found Jews only referred by one name
that looked more like a first name, also others where
the last name if a first name.most probably the
father's first name.
Regards
Robert Neu
--- Wayne and Caroline McCullough
I have been able to reconstruct with the help of archival resources an
outline of the history of the Sacher family of Balassagyarmat and Losonc
from the 1720s.

Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/thidas
For photographs go to
http://www.community.webshots.com/user/peterhidas


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census #hungary

Eric M. Bloch
 

Thanks to all the volunteers who have come forward to help with this
exciting new project and who have offered some excellent suggestions for
helping make this a more manageable and accurate process. So far, we
have a total of 17 on our volunteer list. More are always welcome.

We are currently in the process of writing a set of instructions for
volunteers, as well as preparing our proposal to Jewishgen for hosting
this new searchable database. Many of you are anxious to start working
on the project, but please be patient as we get all the preliminaries
taken care of first. We want to ensure we are headed in the proper
direction before we start moving.

Eric M. Bloch
Coordinator
1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Jewish Census and Migration #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <thidas@...>
 

on 2/4/02 6:19 PM, Robert Neu at roneu1@yahoo.com wrote:

What documentation do you have that dates back to the
1600's? Remember only the Burgenland and the Slovakian
provinces were not under Turkish rule. It is also
believed that Jews who were there with thr Turks left
with them specially after the Austrians liberated Buda
and killed everyone who was there. In the same vein
Jews that were there in 1526 either left or were taken
to Turkey (though many came back later on.)
Jewish presence in Hungary goes back to the Romans,
but with many in and ou, like the rest of Europe.

Also most did not use family names. Even in the 1828
Census I have found Jews only referred by one name
that looked more like a first name, also others where
the last name if a first name.most probably the
father's first name.
Regards
Robert Neu
--- Wayne and Caroline McCullough
I have been able to reconstruct with the help of archival resources an
outline of the history of the Sacher family of Balassagyarmat and Losonc
from the 1720s.

Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/thidas
For photographs go to
http://www.community.webshots.com/user/peterhidas


Re: Moderator's comments #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

dear bernard,

while i sympathize with you, i don't see that it's a big problem to *skip* this thread, since every single message has been properly labelled in the subject field with some variation on "moderator whatever", and you can just delete them without even opening them. to be more direct, NOBODY IS FORCING YOU AT GUNPOINT to read those messages, either.

stuff that you may not be interested in, is not always "unnecessary" or "useless" to other people. fortunately, our moderator seems to take a more liberal view, that these comments are allowable.

and i'm not aware that there are any limits on the available bandwidth for this group, so these comments are not posted at the expense of other content, so why not?

regards,

....... tom klein, toronto

Bernard Weill <linktree@yahoo.com> wrote:
h-sig>
h-sig> This discussion about moderators and its value seems to continue
h-sig> without interruption. I am tired of reading about it. If people
h-sig> have a problem with moderator's comments, LEAVE the discussion
h-sig> group. NOBODY IS BEING FORCED AT GUNPOINT to belong to these
h-sig> discussion groups. Let us get on with the business at hand and
h-sig> drop this other silly topic once and for all. I would recommend
h-sig> to the moderator to cut your losses by refusing to post further
h-sig> these unnecessary comments and useless complaints.
h-sig>
h-sig> Bernard Weill


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Moderator's comments #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

dear bernard,

while i sympathize with you, i don't see that it's a big problem to *skip* this thread, since every single message has been properly labelled in the subject field with some variation on "moderator whatever", and you can just delete them without even opening them. to be more direct, NOBODY IS FORCING YOU AT GUNPOINT to read those messages, either.

stuff that you may not be interested in, is not always "unnecessary" or "useless" to other people. fortunately, our moderator seems to take a more liberal view, that these comments are allowable.

and i'm not aware that there are any limits on the available bandwidth for this group, so these comments are not posted at the expense of other content, so why not?

regards,

....... tom klein, toronto

Bernard Weill <linktree@yahoo.com> wrote:
h-sig>
h-sig> This discussion about moderators and its value seems to continue
h-sig> without interruption. I am tired of reading about it. If people
h-sig> have a problem with moderator's comments, LEAVE the discussion
h-sig> group. NOBODY IS BEING FORCED AT GUNPOINT to belong to these
h-sig> discussion groups. Let us get on with the business at hand and
h-sig> drop this other silly topic once and for all. I would recommend
h-sig> to the moderator to cut your losses by refusing to post further
h-sig> these unnecessary comments and useless complaints.
h-sig>
h-sig> Bernard Weill


Re: Preventing blank e-mails #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

all this discussion of blank e-mails is getting rather tedious.

for whatever reason, there have been *no* blank messages in the digest form of the list, so i would suggest that those people who are concerned switch their subscriptions to "digest", and we can get back to discussions of genealogy.

regards,

....... tom klein, toronto

Moderator VK: Thank you, Tom!


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Preventing blank e-mails #hungary

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

all this discussion of blank e-mails is getting rather tedious.

for whatever reason, there have been *no* blank messages in the digest form of the list, so i would suggest that those people who are concerned switch their subscriptions to "digest", and we can get back to discussions of genealogy.

regards,

....... tom klein, toronto

Moderator VK: Thank you, Tom!


The Movable Tavern #hungary

Marc & Laura Polster <mpolster@...>
 

All this talk about taverns reminds me of a Polster family legend. I have
no data, just a story passed to me by my grandfather and corroborated by his
siblings. A Polster ancestor ran a tavern apparently along the Polish
Slovak border (near Dukla I presume). When the Polish tax collector
arrived, the tavern owner would claim to be on the Slovak side of the
border. When the Slovak tax collector arrived, my ancestor claimed to be on
the Polish side of the border. Quite resourceful and/or terrible civil
surveys...

Marc Polster

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Auslander" <jausland@pipeline.com>
To: "Hungarian SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: More tavern owners


My GGGF & GGF, Meyer & Mendel Auslander ran a hekdesh or korchma, a
wayfarer's inn, in Hluboke (midway between Ungvar/Uzhorod and Seredne).
This part of Carpathia still is wine country. As I understand an
Auszenkier or Ausschenker was a bartender/innkeeper.

Moshe Aaron "Kakas" Auslander (1853-1931), and Esther/Etus Gottesman (d.
1931) ran the Kakas Hus (To The Rooster) Inn in Munkacz. Each autumn,
Morris would load his sled with wine bought >from the local peasants.
Can't quite fix his relation to me if any.

Jordan Auslander, NYC


Hungary SIG #Hungary The Movable Tavern #hungary

Marc & Laura Polster <mpolster@...>
 

All this talk about taverns reminds me of a Polster family legend. I have
no data, just a story passed to me by my grandfather and corroborated by his
siblings. A Polster ancestor ran a tavern apparently along the Polish
Slovak border (near Dukla I presume). When the Polish tax collector
arrived, the tavern owner would claim to be on the Slovak side of the
border. When the Slovak tax collector arrived, my ancestor claimed to be on
the Polish side of the border. Quite resourceful and/or terrible civil
surveys...

Marc Polster

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jordan Auslander" <jausland@pipeline.com>
To: "Hungarian SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:52 AM
Subject: More tavern owners


My GGGF & GGF, Meyer & Mendel Auslander ran a hekdesh or korchma, a
wayfarer's inn, in Hluboke (midway between Ungvar/Uzhorod and Seredne).
This part of Carpathia still is wine country. As I understand an
Auszenkier or Ausschenker was a bartender/innkeeper.

Moshe Aaron "Kakas" Auslander (1853-1931), and Esther/Etus Gottesman (d.
1931) ran the Kakas Hus (To The Rooster) Inn in Munkacz. Each autumn,
Morris would load his sled with wine bought >from the local peasants.
Can't quite fix his relation to me if any.

Jordan Auslander, NYC