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Seeking : Information re ship Darien voyage to Palestine, 1941 #romania

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

Dear ROM-SIGgers,

ROM-SIG has recently been contacted by a respected and award-winning
Israeli film production company, which is preparing a docudrama telling
the tragic story of the 1000 refugees >from Vienna who perished
attempting to get to Palestine on the ship the Darien in 1941.

Their Head Researcher is attempting to find further information,
documentation, letters or photos, >from some of those involved in this
ill-fated venture. Here are the names of those individuals:

Dr. Max Menachem ZIEDMAN, b. 189? Chernovtsi. A Zionist activist he was
Chaiman of the Passengers Committee on the Darien.

Dr. Ruth KLIEGER (KLUGER), born POLISHUK, 1914 Chernovtsi. Mossad
activist, Wrote an auto-biography "The last escape" in the '70's.

Emmanuel KLUGER, her husband.

? OSSTROVSKY, Head of the "Palestine Office" of the Jewish agency,
Bucuresti. Killed in the Jnauary 21, 1941 pogrom.

Alexander Azia SHAPIRA, b. 1904 Romania, d. 1998 Tel Aviv. clerk at
Palestine Office. Left Romania after the darien sailed arriving in
Israel April 1941.

Abba BERDICIEV, b. 1920, Halutz leader. Commander of the Darien. later
volunteered to parachute behind Nazi lines. Was caught and executed
together with other Allied POWs, Jan. 1945.

JORTHNER brothers. Had a rubber factory in Chernovtsi. Fled April 1940.

If you have any knowledge or further information about any of these
individuals please send it to me (Leeson1@attglobal.net), and I will
forward that to the Head Researcher of the film production company.

Many thanks,
Rosanne Leeson
--
Rosanne Leeson
Los Altos, CA USA
Leeson1@attglobal.net


Romania SIG #Romania Seeking : Information re ship Darien voyage to Palestine, 1941 #romania

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

Dear ROM-SIGgers,

ROM-SIG has recently been contacted by a respected and award-winning
Israeli film production company, which is preparing a docudrama telling
the tragic story of the 1000 refugees >from Vienna who perished
attempting to get to Palestine on the ship the Darien in 1941.

Their Head Researcher is attempting to find further information,
documentation, letters or photos, >from some of those involved in this
ill-fated venture. Here are the names of those individuals:

Dr. Max Menachem ZIEDMAN, b. 189? Chernovtsi. A Zionist activist he was
Chaiman of the Passengers Committee on the Darien.

Dr. Ruth KLIEGER (KLUGER), born POLISHUK, 1914 Chernovtsi. Mossad
activist, Wrote an auto-biography "The last escape" in the '70's.

Emmanuel KLUGER, her husband.

? OSSTROVSKY, Head of the "Palestine Office" of the Jewish agency,
Bucuresti. Killed in the Jnauary 21, 1941 pogrom.

Alexander Azia SHAPIRA, b. 1904 Romania, d. 1998 Tel Aviv. clerk at
Palestine Office. Left Romania after the darien sailed arriving in
Israel April 1941.

Abba BERDICIEV, b. 1920, Halutz leader. Commander of the Darien. later
volunteered to parachute behind Nazi lines. Was caught and executed
together with other Allied POWs, Jan. 1945.

JORTHNER brothers. Had a rubber factory in Chernovtsi. Fled April 1940.

If you have any knowledge or further information about any of these
individuals please send it to me (Leeson1@attglobal.net), and I will
forward that to the Head Researcher of the film production company.

Many thanks,
Rosanne Leeson
--
Rosanne Leeson
Los Altos, CA USA
Leeson1@attglobal.net


L. Fortgang and his book store DEAH in Krakow #galicia

Arthur <arthurh@...>
 

----- original message ------------
One of my books was printed in Frankfurt am Main in 1920 with the stamp of

Ksiegarnia "DEAH"
L. Fortgang
KRAKOW, Krakowska 33

Ksiegarnia is bookstore in Polish.
I assume "Deah" is the Hebrew word for knowledge.
But who was L. Fortgang?
Any information about this person and his/her bookstore is most welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Eva Floersheim
Shadmot Dvorah
Israel

================================================

Hi there Eva, and SIG Galicia,

My kin are Fortgangs, >from Krakow and other places in Galicia. I have an 8
generation Fortgang family tree with more than 1,300 persons' kinships
shown. How much do you want to know about them?

In 1939, there were about 65,000 Jews in Krakow, 25% of the population. Jews
having lived there since the 2nd half of the 13th century. In 1990, there
were about 300.

About "L. Fortgang", the bookstore keeper, my FT index shows Larry, Leah,
Leah, Leib, Leon, Lieb Wolf, Lifsha, Lillian Lea, Lottie, Louis, and Luba.
On these people, my data have very little about their occupations and the
locations and the dates of their movements. Since about 98% of my kin were
murdered by the Nazis, I have very, very few kin to ask for more details.
What I have, was gathered over the past 10 years >from the few that survived.
I came to then Palestine in Dec. 1934 and have been here since.

Best Wishes for a Very Good New Year

Sarah Blima Fortgang Halpern
Holon, Israel
arthurh@bezeqint.net

[MODERATOR NOTE: Please carry on in private.]


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia L. Fortgang and his book store DEAH in Krakow #galicia

Arthur <arthurh@...>
 

----- original message ------------
One of my books was printed in Frankfurt am Main in 1920 with the stamp of

Ksiegarnia "DEAH"
L. Fortgang
KRAKOW, Krakowska 33

Ksiegarnia is bookstore in Polish.
I assume "Deah" is the Hebrew word for knowledge.
But who was L. Fortgang?
Any information about this person and his/her bookstore is most welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Eva Floersheim
Shadmot Dvorah
Israel

================================================

Hi there Eva, and SIG Galicia,

My kin are Fortgangs, >from Krakow and other places in Galicia. I have an 8
generation Fortgang family tree with more than 1,300 persons' kinships
shown. How much do you want to know about them?

In 1939, there were about 65,000 Jews in Krakow, 25% of the population. Jews
having lived there since the 2nd half of the 13th century. In 1990, there
were about 300.

About "L. Fortgang", the bookstore keeper, my FT index shows Larry, Leah,
Leah, Leib, Leon, Lieb Wolf, Lifsha, Lillian Lea, Lottie, Louis, and Luba.
On these people, my data have very little about their occupations and the
locations and the dates of their movements. Since about 98% of my kin were
murdered by the Nazis, I have very, very few kin to ask for more details.
What I have, was gathered over the past 10 years >from the few that survived.
I came to then Palestine in Dec. 1934 and have been here since.

Best Wishes for a Very Good New Year

Sarah Blima Fortgang Halpern
Holon, Israel
arthurh@bezeqint.net

[MODERATOR NOTE: Please carry on in private.]


Holocaust Szatmar #hungary

Catherine Poscher <catherine.poscher@...>
 

Please, who has a list of the Holocaust in Szatmar?

Catherine

Moderator VK: Go to the JewishGen Holocaust database at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/ and enter the surnames you are searching. You should also search by the places where these people were born and lived. In addition to the resources available through JewishGen, there is much information available >from Yad Vashem and at the US Holocaust Memorial Musem. Because Szatmar is both a city (Szatmarnemeti) and a county (Szatmar megye) it would be helpful if you could be more specific about the places where your family lived.


Re: Death Certificate Translation Request #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

We are discussing about diacritical marks what I believe are the
(Hungarian) accents. Peter Hidas demonstrated us,
in his contribution that they are possible to generate even with I
believe US characterset and the most important - in my eyes at least -
to transmit it through Jewishgen, which accepts only plain ASCII
characters. It woulde be interesting - even if not strictly a
genealigical problem - how can we making use of this feature. It would
improve sometimes the understanding, commenting and guessing correctly
written names and places.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Peter I. Hidas schrieb:

on 9/17/03 8:44 PM, Jerry Zeisler at jzeisler@email.com wrote

Gács was a small village outside the town of Losonc (today Lucenec), Nograd County, northeast of Budapest.

Dr. P.I.Hidas


Hungary SIG #Hungary Holocaust Szatmar #hungary

Catherine Poscher <catherine.poscher@...>
 

Please, who has a list of the Holocaust in Szatmar?

Catherine

Moderator VK: Go to the JewishGen Holocaust database at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/ and enter the surnames you are searching. You should also search by the places where these people were born and lived. In addition to the resources available through JewishGen, there is much information available >from Yad Vashem and at the US Holocaust Memorial Musem. Because Szatmar is both a city (Szatmarnemeti) and a county (Szatmar megye) it would be helpful if you could be more specific about the places where your family lived.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Death Certificate Translation Request #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

We are discussing about diacritical marks what I believe are the
(Hungarian) accents. Peter Hidas demonstrated us,
in his contribution that they are possible to generate even with I
believe US characterset and the most important - in my eyes at least -
to transmit it through Jewishgen, which accepts only plain ASCII
characters. It woulde be interesting - even if not strictly a
genealigical problem - how can we making use of this feature. It would
improve sometimes the understanding, commenting and guessing correctly
written names and places.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Peter I. Hidas schrieb:

on 9/17/03 8:44 PM, Jerry Zeisler at jzeisler@email.com wrote

Gács was a small village outside the town of Losonc (today Lucenec), Nograd County, northeast of Budapest.

Dr. P.I.Hidas


Re: Name of a Funeral Home in New York City #general

Leslie Felner <l.felner@...>
 

The Riverside Funeral home is at that address in Manhattan.
Leslie

< cromrider@juno.com > wrote:

Is there a New York maven on this list that can tell me if a listing in a
death notice that refers to a funeral at "The Riverside", 76th Street and
Amsterdam Avenue refers to a place in the Bronx? I have this >from a
death notice in the New York Times. Is there still such a place that
may have funeral home records >from 1958?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name of a Funeral Home in New York City #general

Leslie Felner <l.felner@...>
 

The Riverside Funeral home is at that address in Manhattan.
Leslie

< cromrider@juno.com > wrote:

Is there a New York maven on this list that can tell me if a listing in a
death notice that refers to a funeral at "The Riverside", 76th Street and
Amsterdam Avenue refers to a place in the Bronx? I have this >from a
death notice in the New York Times. Is there still such a place that
may have funeral home records >from 1958?


Re: Auschwitz Victims from Gyor #hungary

mirda <mirda@...>
 

Dear Kitty,
A good refernce source for the holocaust victims by communities
is the "Yizkor Book Database" of the JewishGen.
There one can find a memorial book book about the Jews of Papa edited by
Yehuda Gyula Lang, (written in Hungarian):
"A papai zsidosag emlekkonyve," Tel Aviv, 1974.
An English version or excert of the book can be found in the homepage:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Papa/Papa.html

Shana tova from
Miryam Gordon
Rehovot, Israel

----- Original Message -----
From: <BruceKitty@aol.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: éåí øàùåï 21 ñôèîáø 2003 09:54
Subject: [h-sig] Re: Auschwitz Victims >from Gyor


: Myriam,
: Would you possibly be able to tell me if there exists an Auschwitz Holocaust
: Victims
: List >from "Papa" similar to the one >from Gyor? Where, or to whom should I
: write
: or e-mail inorder to obtain this information?
: Thank you for your reply.
: Sincerely,
: Kitty Friedbauer Sauber
: e-mail < brucekitty@aol.com >


Re: Halic, Slovakia (Ga'cs, HU) #hungary

Robert Neu
 

I don't think it is a hyphenation. Only marking of the phonetic mark
over the a when including it in the text is not available.
Robert Neu
--- B Frederics <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:

Does someone know why the town name "Ga'cs" would be hypenated? Does
it mean
that it's abbreviated for a longer name?

Also, would someone kindly tell me when Ga'cs, Hungary became Halic,
Slovakia?

Thanks.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

Searching for:
LOWY (Ga'cs, Hungary or Halic, SL)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Auschwitz Victims from Gyor #hungary

mirda <mirda@...>
 

Dear Kitty,
A good refernce source for the holocaust victims by communities
is the "Yizkor Book Database" of the JewishGen.
There one can find a memorial book book about the Jews of Papa edited by
Yehuda Gyula Lang, (written in Hungarian):
"A papai zsidosag emlekkonyve," Tel Aviv, 1974.
An English version or excert of the book can be found in the homepage:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Papa/Papa.html

Shana tova from
Miryam Gordon
Rehovot, Israel

----- Original Message -----
From: <BruceKitty@aol.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: éåí øàùåï 21 ñôèîáø 2003 09:54
Subject: [h-sig] Re: Auschwitz Victims >from Gyor


: Myriam,
: Would you possibly be able to tell me if there exists an Auschwitz Holocaust
: Victims
: List >from "Papa" similar to the one >from Gyor? Where, or to whom should I
: write
: or e-mail inorder to obtain this information?
: Thank you for your reply.
: Sincerely,
: Kitty Friedbauer Sauber
: e-mail < brucekitty@aol.com >


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Halic, Slovakia (Ga'cs, HU) #hungary

Robert Neu
 

I don't think it is a hyphenation. Only marking of the phonetic mark
over the a when including it in the text is not available.
Robert Neu
--- B Frederics <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:

Does someone know why the town name "Ga'cs" would be hypenated? Does
it mean
that it's abbreviated for a longer name?

Also, would someone kindly tell me when Ga'cs, Hungary became Halic,
Slovakia?

Thanks.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

Searching for:
LOWY (Ga'cs, Hungary or Halic, SL)


No Subject #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Would you help me, how can one get the vital records for my grandmother from
PAPA, Hungary. (The <www. natarch.hu > was not helpful )
Many Thanks!
Kitty Sauber <brucekitty@aol.com>


Hungary SIG #Hungary No Subject #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Would you help me, how can one get the vital records for my grandmother from
PAPA, Hungary. (The <www. natarch.hu > was not helpful )
Many Thanks!
Kitty Sauber <brucekitty@aol.com>


Re: Halic, Slovakia (Ga'cs, HU) #hungary

Stephen Casey <caseydanhan@...>
 

It is not hyphenated, only a mis-typed Hungarian spelling. In Hungarian the
first 2 letters of the alphabet are "a" "á", meaning a longer sounding "a".
It is most definitely not an abbreviation.

Gács became Halic in 1918, when Northern Hungary became part of
Czechoslovakia, according to the Trianon Peace Treaty. It is the Slovak name
for Gács, now the "official" name. Mapquest shows Halic in today's Slovakia.

Stephen
caseydanhan@hotmail.com

From: "B Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] Halic, Slovakia (Ga'cs, HU)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:38:33 -0700

Does someone know why the town name "Ga'cs" would be hypenated? Does it
mean
that it's abbreviated for a longer name?

Also, would someone kindly tell me when Ga'cs, Hungary became Halic,
Slovakia?

Thanks.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

Searching for:
LOWY (Ga'cs, Hungary or Halic, SL)


Re: Death Certificate Translation Request #hungary

Robert Friedman <vze2sv8z@...>
 

What a difference a letter makes. Bossa'ny was in Nyitra county, and
is now Bosany, Slovakia. Whether this implies a second marriage, or a
name change (Magyarization) >from Hertzfeld, is a subject for further
investigation.

Bob Friedman, NYC
inwood@pipeline.com

(On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:23:19 -0400, "Jerry Zeisler"
<jzeisler@email.com> wrote:

Thank you Bob and Vivian and all the others for your replies, although =
I'm
still quite confused regarding the Bessa'nyi issue. Here's why.

As you recall in my original message, my g-gf Rabbi Joseph ZEISLER, =
entered
the name Bossa'nyi into the "Maiden Name of Mother" field on the death
certificate of his wife, Irma LORY ZEISLER. I know >from obtaining her
Budapest birth record that her mother's maiden name was Nina HERTZFELD. =
In
the following field for the mother's birthplace, he entered "Budapest." =
So
why would Joseph have entered two locations? Just to clarify the issue =
the
death records appears as such (my comments are in parenthesis ())

Deceased: Irma ZEISLER
Birthplace: Budapest (correct)
Name of Father: Ignatz LO'ERY (LOWY)
Birthplace of Father: Ga'cs, Hungary
Maiden Name of Mother: Bossa'nyi (definitely an o after the B)(mother's
maiden name was HERTZFELD)
Birthplace of Mother: Budapest, Hungary (unverified)

So I would believe that the field containing the Maiden Name of Mother =
must
be a name and not a location since the location was specified in the =
field
below. But the name doesn't make sense since we know that it is not her
mother's name. So confusion reigns.

There is one possibility that my 18 year-old daughter came up with. We =
know
that Nina HERTZFELD died before her daughter, Irma, married Joseph in =
1879.
I'm wondering if the name Bessa'nyi could be that of a second wife of =
Ignatz
LOWY, Irma's stepmother?=20

By the way, for those of you who are interested, Nina HERTZFELD and =
Ignatz
LOWY were the grandparents of Baroness Melanie GROEDEL, wife of Hermann.

I'm open for more opinions and suggestions. If anyone thinks that it =
would
be beneficial, I can post the death certificate on ViewMate. This one is
really strange.

Sincerely,
Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Halic, Slovakia (Ga'cs, HU) #hungary

Stephen Casey <caseydanhan@...>
 

It is not hyphenated, only a mis-typed Hungarian spelling. In Hungarian the
first 2 letters of the alphabet are "a" "á", meaning a longer sounding "a".
It is most definitely not an abbreviation.

Gács became Halic in 1918, when Northern Hungary became part of
Czechoslovakia, according to the Trianon Peace Treaty. It is the Slovak name
for Gács, now the "official" name. Mapquest shows Halic in today's Slovakia.

Stephen
caseydanhan@hotmail.com

From: "B Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com>
Reply-To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: [h-sig] Halic, Slovakia (Ga'cs, HU)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:38:33 -0700

Does someone know why the town name "Ga'cs" would be hypenated? Does it
mean
that it's abbreviated for a longer name?

Also, would someone kindly tell me when Ga'cs, Hungary became Halic,
Slovakia?

Thanks.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

Searching for:
LOWY (Ga'cs, Hungary or Halic, SL)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Death Certificate Translation Request #hungary

Robert Friedman <vze2sv8z@...>
 

What a difference a letter makes. Bossa'ny was in Nyitra county, and
is now Bosany, Slovakia. Whether this implies a second marriage, or a
name change (Magyarization) >from Hertzfeld, is a subject for further
investigation.

Bob Friedman, NYC
inwood@pipeline.com

(On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:23:19 -0400, "Jerry Zeisler"
<jzeisler@email.com> wrote:

Thank you Bob and Vivian and all the others for your replies, although =
I'm
still quite confused regarding the Bessa'nyi issue. Here's why.

As you recall in my original message, my g-gf Rabbi Joseph ZEISLER, =
entered
the name Bossa'nyi into the "Maiden Name of Mother" field on the death
certificate of his wife, Irma LORY ZEISLER. I know >from obtaining her
Budapest birth record that her mother's maiden name was Nina HERTZFELD. =
In
the following field for the mother's birthplace, he entered "Budapest." =
So
why would Joseph have entered two locations? Just to clarify the issue =
the
death records appears as such (my comments are in parenthesis ())

Deceased: Irma ZEISLER
Birthplace: Budapest (correct)
Name of Father: Ignatz LO'ERY (LOWY)
Birthplace of Father: Ga'cs, Hungary
Maiden Name of Mother: Bossa'nyi (definitely an o after the B)(mother's
maiden name was HERTZFELD)
Birthplace of Mother: Budapest, Hungary (unverified)

So I would believe that the field containing the Maiden Name of Mother =
must
be a name and not a location since the location was specified in the =
field
below. But the name doesn't make sense since we know that it is not her
mother's name. So confusion reigns.

There is one possibility that my 18 year-old daughter came up with. We =
know
that Nina HERTZFELD died before her daughter, Irma, married Joseph in =
1879.
I'm wondering if the name Bessa'nyi could be that of a second wife of =
Ignatz
LOWY, Irma's stepmother?=20

By the way, for those of you who are interested, Nina HERTZFELD and =
Ignatz
LOWY were the grandparents of Baroness Melanie GROEDEL, wife of Hermann.

I'm open for more opinions and suggestions. If anyone thinks that it =
would
be beneficial, I can post the death certificate on ViewMate. This one is
really strange.

Sincerely,
Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA