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Re: numerus clausus exiles
#hungary
Eloedfamily@...
dear Michael Miller
Assistant Professor Central European University Budapest, Hungary In response to your question:=20 My father, born June 10, 1902 under the name Laszlo' Eisler attended by=20 reason of the numerus clausus law, his studies at the Technical University=20= of=20 Dresden Germany, >from 1920 through 1924. Further details I could send you b= y=20 direct e-mail. I have all his school documentations and curriculum vitae, i= ncl.=20 the Highschool Graduation certificates in the original Latin and also in=20 translation. Notes etc... He passed away in Mauthausen, on April 26, 1945.= At=20 that time his last name was already Hungarianized to Elo"d. My direct e-mail address is leloed @ aol.com With best wishes and regards to your project, Leslie LESLIE ELOED <street address and phone # deleted> mllm39@gmail.com writes: Dear List, I'm currently doing research on Hungarian Jews who were forced to study outside of Hungary during the 1920s and 1930s due to the numerus clausus law, which was in effect during these decades. Many of these Hungarian Jewish students studied in Brno, Czechoslovakia; Paris, France; various cities in Germany (before 1933) and Austria (before 1938); various cities in Italy, particularly Padua and Milan. I'm trying to contact any of these individuals who might still be alive, or who left behind memoirs or correspondence >from this period. Please contact me if you have any helpful information or contacts. Thank you in advance. Michael Miller Assistant Professor Central European University Budapest, Hungary
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Re: Schuttelsdorf
#hungary
Eloedfamily@...
On the Slovak version of Google aI found a reference to a Schottelsdorf,
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however this relates to a surname, rather then a location. See the link below: Nikolsburg Graveyard Surnames List - [ Translate this page ] ... Schnatel (1), Schnatter (1), Schneider (18), Schochet (10), Schor (1), Schottelsdorf (1), Schranitz (1), Schreiber (3), Schuster (34), Schwarz (47), ... www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/Nikolsburg/nikonam.htm - 12k - Cached - Similar pages Leslie Eloed California, USA
In a message dated 3/22/2006 11:41:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alfred.silberman@baesystems.com writes: In Jewish responsa literature there is reference to a city / village called variously Schuttelsdorf or Schattelsdorf. I am fairly certain that it is near Bratislava [Pressburg] but I can't find any reference to this place in any Gazateer or on the internet. I wonder if perhaps it is now incorporated within the borders of Bratislava. Does anyone have any idea what the name of this place would be today? Thank You, Alfred Silberman Yonkers, NY
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: numerus clausus exiles
#hungary
Eloedfamily@...
dear Michael Miller
Assistant Professor Central European University Budapest, Hungary In response to your question:=20 My father, born June 10, 1902 under the name Laszlo' Eisler attended by=20 reason of the numerus clausus law, his studies at the Technical University=20= of=20 Dresden Germany, >from 1920 through 1924. Further details I could send you b= y=20 direct e-mail. I have all his school documentations and curriculum vitae, i= ncl.=20 the Highschool Graduation certificates in the original Latin and also in=20 translation. Notes etc... He passed away in Mauthausen, on April 26, 1945.= At=20 that time his last name was already Hungarianized to Elo"d. My direct e-mail address is leloed @ aol.com With best wishes and regards to your project, Leslie LESLIE ELOED <street address and phone # deleted> mllm39@gmail.com writes: Dear List, I'm currently doing research on Hungarian Jews who were forced to study outside of Hungary during the 1920s and 1930s due to the numerus clausus law, which was in effect during these decades. Many of these Hungarian Jewish students studied in Brno, Czechoslovakia; Paris, France; various cities in Germany (before 1933) and Austria (before 1938); various cities in Italy, particularly Padua and Milan. I'm trying to contact any of these individuals who might still be alive, or who left behind memoirs or correspondence >from this period. Please contact me if you have any helpful information or contacts. Thank you in advance. Michael Miller Assistant Professor Central European University Budapest, Hungary
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Schuttelsdorf
#hungary
Eloedfamily@...
On the Slovak version of Google aI found a reference to a Schottelsdorf,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
however this relates to a surname, rather then a location. See the link below: Nikolsburg Graveyard Surnames List - [ Translate this page ] ... Schnatel (1), Schnatter (1), Schneider (18), Schochet (10), Schor (1), Schottelsdorf (1), Schranitz (1), Schreiber (3), Schuster (34), Schwarz (47), ... www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/Nikolsburg/nikonam.htm - 12k - Cached - Similar pages Leslie Eloed California, USA
In a message dated 3/22/2006 11:41:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alfred.silberman@baesystems.com writes: In Jewish responsa literature there is reference to a city / village called variously Schuttelsdorf or Schattelsdorf. I am fairly certain that it is near Bratislava [Pressburg] but I can't find any reference to this place in any Gazateer or on the internet. I wonder if perhaps it is now incorporated within the borders of Bratislava. Does anyone have any idea what the name of this place would be today? Thank You, Alfred Silberman Yonkers, NY
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Searching for GATTMANN
#hungary
Judith Berlowitz <judigenie@...>
Dear H-Siggers,
After a multi-year hiatus, I've renewed my search for my ggrandfather, Meyer GATTMAN(N). Most likely born around 1820 in Schwanfeld, Bavaria, Meyer and his wife, Regina Gutmann Schmalbach, moved to Budapest, probably around 1847, were married there around 1850, and their 4 children, Anna, Julius, Clara, and Heinrich,were born there. I have no information for Anna, but the rest of them came to the US in 1881. Meyer reportedly returned to Budapest, where he died. This is the information I am seeking: Who were Meyer's parents? There is a reported brother, Felix. There are many other Gattmanns in Schwanfeld, but I find no record of Meyer (Meier, Mejer, etc.) How can I find bmd records in B'pest? Will be grateful for any clues. Judith Berlowitz Oakland, California
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Searching for GATTMANN
#hungary
Judith Berlowitz <judigenie@...>
Dear H-Siggers,
After a multi-year hiatus, I've renewed my search for my ggrandfather, Meyer GATTMAN(N). Most likely born around 1820 in Schwanfeld, Bavaria, Meyer and his wife, Regina Gutmann Schmalbach, moved to Budapest, probably around 1847, were married there around 1850, and their 4 children, Anna, Julius, Clara, and Heinrich,were born there. I have no information for Anna, but the rest of them came to the US in 1881. Meyer reportedly returned to Budapest, where he died. This is the information I am seeking: Who were Meyer's parents? There is a reported brother, Felix. There are many other Gattmanns in Schwanfeld, but I find no record of Meyer (Meier, Mejer, etc.) How can I find bmd records in B'pest? Will be grateful for any clues. Judith Berlowitz Oakland, California
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Budapest Street Names
#hungary
peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
This is a wonderful example of why so many immigrants ended up with changed
names. The best I can make out is that maybe it is Erzsebet utca. There is of course the famous Erzsebet Korut which is part of one of the Buadpest "Rings". Certainly there is at least one Erzsebet utca as well, but regrettably all of my stuff is packed. The best way for you to confirm the residence of your ancestors would be to consult the Budapest City Directory. By my recollection a copy of the 1907 book exists in the Ervin Szabo library in Pest. It is easy to find and you can get entry fairly easily without having to speak Hungarian. You may have to get a day card, but it will be free. Just ask for the Budapest room and you will find the City Directories on the back wall. Peter Bakos Sarasota, Florida
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Budapest Street Names
#hungary
peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
This is a wonderful example of why so many immigrants ended up with changed
names. The best I can make out is that maybe it is Erzsebet utca. There is of course the famous Erzsebet Korut which is part of one of the Buadpest "Rings". Certainly there is at least one Erzsebet utca as well, but regrettably all of my stuff is packed. The best way for you to confirm the residence of your ancestors would be to consult the Budapest City Directory. By my recollection a copy of the 1907 book exists in the Ervin Szabo library in Pest. It is easy to find and you can get entry fairly easily without having to speak Hungarian. You may have to get a day card, but it will be free. Just ask for the Budapest room and you will find the City Directories on the back wall. Peter Bakos Sarasota, Florida
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STEINER/SOMMER/STRAUSZ/BOHM
#hungary
edward steiner <nedsteiner@...>
Researching STEINER/SOMMER/STRAUSZ/BOHM.
STEINER and STRAUSZ >from Nyitra. SOMMER and BOHM from Budapest. Any information regarding these families would be most welcome. Ned Steiner Washington DC
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Schuttelsdorf
#hungary
peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
Are you certain you are not confusing Huttelsdorf a part of Vienna (not so
far away) >from Bratislava/Poszony. Peter Bakos
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Hungary SIG #Hungary STEINER/SOMMER/STRAUSZ/BOHM
#hungary
edward steiner <nedsteiner@...>
Researching STEINER/SOMMER/STRAUSZ/BOHM.
STEINER and STRAUSZ >from Nyitra. SOMMER and BOHM from Budapest. Any information regarding these families would be most welcome. Ned Steiner Washington DC
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Schuttelsdorf
#hungary
peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
Are you certain you are not confusing Huttelsdorf a part of Vienna (not so
far away) >from Bratislava/Poszony. Peter Bakos
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Re: Hajduboszormeny and names...
#hungary
g_hirsch@...
I wanted to find some reliable information about the Hungarian familynames.
As I remembered it was Maria Theresia's decree, but it seems that II. Jozsef was the originator. In the "Magyar Zsido Lexikon (Hungarian Jewish Lexicon) facsimile of a 1929 edition" there is more than a page about the subject, so I took a part of the Hungarian text, which you can see bellow for the ones who understand Hungarian and I try to give also a rough translation. "A ne'met csaladne'v a'ltala'nosabb haszna'lata II. Jozsef ismert rendelete alapja'n 1780. terjedt el a magyar zsidok ko:zo:tt. Sulyos penzbirsa'g vagy kitoloncoltata's terhe alatt ke'nyszeritette'k akkor a magyar zsidokra is a ne'met vezete'kneveket. A ne'v-fo:lve'tel ugy to:rte'nt, hogy orsza'gos o:sszeira's alapja'n erre kiku:ldo:tt bizottsa'gok ele' idezte'k a zsidokat, ahol a ne'vfelve'telro“l hivatalos igazolva'nyt kaptak, amelyet a rabbi is, mint a bizottsa'g tagja, ala'irt. A fe'l szabadon va'laszthatta neve't, de sok esetben egyszeru"en raoktroja'ltak, meg pedig roszakaratuan e's aze'rt, hogy kigunyolja'k. Az Eselsberg-hez hasonlo nevetse'ges nevek innen sza'rmaznak." The more general usage of the German family names based of the wellknown order >from 1780 f II. Jozsef. They forced with severe punishment or expellation the German family names. The names were given, by summoning the Jews before an official commission, who issued an official document about the assigned name, which was signed by the rabbi too, he was also part of the board. The client could freely choose the name, but in many occasion it was simply forced and with ill-will to ridicule him. Names like Eselsberg (Donkeyhill) and similar ridiculous names originated there. If you are interested, I can send the complett Hungarianb text in MS_WORD format. Best regards Gabor Hirsch --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Moderator: Please contact Gabor off-list to request text.
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hajduboszormeny and names...
#hungary
g_hirsch@...
I wanted to find some reliable information about the Hungarian familynames.
As I remembered it was Maria Theresia's decree, but it seems that II. Jozsef was the originator. In the "Magyar Zsido Lexikon (Hungarian Jewish Lexicon) facsimile of a 1929 edition" there is more than a page about the subject, so I took a part of the Hungarian text, which you can see bellow for the ones who understand Hungarian and I try to give also a rough translation. "A ne'met csaladne'v a'ltala'nosabb haszna'lata II. Jozsef ismert rendelete alapja'n 1780. terjedt el a magyar zsidok ko:zo:tt. Sulyos penzbirsa'g vagy kitoloncoltata's terhe alatt ke'nyszeritette'k akkor a magyar zsidokra is a ne'met vezete'kneveket. A ne'v-fo:lve'tel ugy to:rte'nt, hogy orsza'gos o:sszeira's alapja'n erre kiku:ldo:tt bizottsa'gok ele' idezte'k a zsidokat, ahol a ne'vfelve'telro“l hivatalos igazolva'nyt kaptak, amelyet a rabbi is, mint a bizottsa'g tagja, ala'irt. A fe'l szabadon va'laszthatta neve't, de sok esetben egyszeru"en raoktroja'ltak, meg pedig roszakaratuan e's aze'rt, hogy kigunyolja'k. Az Eselsberg-hez hasonlo nevetse'ges nevek innen sza'rmaznak." The more general usage of the German family names based of the wellknown order >from 1780 f II. Jozsef. They forced with severe punishment or expellation the German family names. The names were given, by summoning the Jews before an official commission, who issued an official document about the assigned name, which was signed by the rabbi too, he was also part of the board. The client could freely choose the name, but in many occasion it was simply forced and with ill-will to ridicule him. Names like Eselsberg (Donkeyhill) and similar ridiculous names originated there. If you are interested, I can send the complett Hungarianb text in MS_WORD format. Best regards Gabor Hirsch --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Moderator: Please contact Gabor off-list to request text.
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Podwinetz - Louis-Dreyfus
#hungary
peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
Hi fellow Siggers.
My researches have taken a bit of an interesting turn. The four daughters and son of Armin Podwinetz of Modos and Budapest married various interesting persons. One daughter married Eugene Markush the founder of Pharma. He was born in Budapest in 1886 and had a sister named Elisabeth, but nothing more has been found by me, so far. Sandor Podwinetz who changed his name to Alexander Johnson, married a woman named Elena Mix in Nogales, Arizona in 1915. He mother had a sister who married a French Jew named Neubauer and had two daughters one of whom married Pierre Louis-Dreyfus. I know this is out of our zone (though I have no idea as to the origins of Neubauer, I just know he was French at the time). Perhaps Georges Graner may ahve some answers, if so could he please contact me off list, or anyone else for that matter. And no, I am not interested in knowing about Julia Louis-Dreyfus, I got that off the net already. Thanks Peter Bakos Sarasota, Florida, at least for now. Researching Podvinetz and a growing list of names.
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Podwinetz - Louis-Dreyfus
#hungary
peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
Hi fellow Siggers.
My researches have taken a bit of an interesting turn. The four daughters and son of Armin Podwinetz of Modos and Budapest married various interesting persons. One daughter married Eugene Markush the founder of Pharma. He was born in Budapest in 1886 and had a sister named Elisabeth, but nothing more has been found by me, so far. Sandor Podwinetz who changed his name to Alexander Johnson, married a woman named Elena Mix in Nogales, Arizona in 1915. He mother had a sister who married a French Jew named Neubauer and had two daughters one of whom married Pierre Louis-Dreyfus. I know this is out of our zone (though I have no idea as to the origins of Neubauer, I just know he was French at the time). Perhaps Georges Graner may ahve some answers, if so could he please contact me off list, or anyone else for that matter. And no, I am not interested in knowing about Julia Louis-Dreyfus, I got that off the net already. Thanks Peter Bakos Sarasota, Florida, at least for now. Researching Podvinetz and a growing list of names.
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Re: Other Hungarian Census Records
#hungary
tom klein <h-sig@...>
I wonder what language the annotation is in? Neither of these examples looks or sounds Hungarian. "Mojsza" looks like a Polish spelling (I would expect something more like "Majse", or more formally "Mo'zes") bu it could be an alias or nickname, whereas "Markul" might be Romanian (or a misreading for "Ma'rkus"). "Iszak" should have been spelled "Izsa'k", and obviously is a different name >from "Markul". but secular and jewish names didn't have to match, and so they may be listing the same person's Hebrew name. do these entries follow any sort of pattern, such as the first part being a secular name, with the second part being a hebrew name? ("Mahele" could be "Moishele", for example.)
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"Eric M. Bloch" <bloch@wi.rr.com> wrote:
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Other Hungarian Census Records
#hungary
tom klein <h-sig@...>
I wonder what language the annotation is in? Neither of these examples looks or sounds Hungarian. "Mojsza" looks like a Polish spelling (I would expect something more like "Majse", or more formally "Mo'zes") bu it could be an alias or nickname, whereas "Markul" might be Romanian (or a misreading for "Ma'rkus"). "Iszak" should have been spelled "Izsa'k", and obviously is a different name >from "Markul". but secular and jewish names didn't have to match, and so they may be listing the same person's Hebrew name. do these entries follow any sort of pattern, such as the first part being a secular name, with the second part being a hebrew name? ("Mahele" could be "Moishele", for example.)
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....... tom klein, toronto
"Eric M. Bloch" <bloch@wi.rr.com> wrote:
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Re: Schuttelsdorf
#hungary
David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
Alfred Silberman asked about a city / village called variously Schuttelsdorf or Schattelsdorf near
Bratislava Could it be Schattmannsdorf now called Casta in Slovakia. According to ShtetlSeeker, Casta is 20.7 miles NNE of Bratislava at 48°24' 17°22' regards David Laufer Sydney,Australia
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Schuttelsdorf
#hungary
David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
Alfred Silberman asked about a city / village called variously Schuttelsdorf or Schattelsdorf near
Bratislava Could it be Schattmannsdorf now called Casta in Slovakia. According to ShtetlSeeker, Casta is 20.7 miles NNE of Bratislava at 48°24' 17°22' regards David Laufer Sydney,Australia
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