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Reply to: a retroactive name change #general

Jacqueline DAVIS <jdavis318@...>
 

In reply to Peter Lebensold's message - I have the same problem.

I waited in great anticipation to receive my grandfather's naturalization
papers hoping that he gave the original family name of his parents.
Unfortunately he did the same thing, gave their first names, and DAVIS as
their second name.

Unless someone has any ideas, I have given up hope of ever finding out what
the original name was as there is no-one left to ask.

Jacqueline Davis
Ottawa, Canada
jdavis318@rogers.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reply to: a retroactive name change #general

Jacqueline DAVIS <jdavis318@...>
 

In reply to Peter Lebensold's message - I have the same problem.

I waited in great anticipation to receive my grandfather's naturalization
papers hoping that he gave the original family name of his parents.
Unfortunately he did the same thing, gave their first names, and DAVIS as
their second name.

Unless someone has any ideas, I have given up hope of ever finding out what
the original name was as there is no-one left to ask.

Jacqueline Davis
Ottawa, Canada
jdavis318@rogers.com


Re: A retroactive name change? #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I have seen the same thing - changing the surname of the parent in
Poland - on applications to the US govt, such as for Social Security.
The deceased father who never left Poland was given the new American
surname of the applicant. I think it just made everything a little easier.
Paul Silverstone

Peter Lebensold wrote:
Shelley asked:

"The second question concerns the surname Barnett. When Hyman Barnett
remarried he gave his (deceased) father's name as Hyman Barnett. Would
I be correct in assuming that these were both anglicised names and that
Hyman would have been Chaim? And that Barnett was often given to jews
with various "B" names on entering England?"

===
...
So my theory is as follows (and I'd appreciate any comments):

To simplify matters on his application for citizenship, my great-uncle
simply gave his father the same last name that he'd adopted: I can't
imagine anyone would have checked the Polish-Russian records even if
they could have, and there was not (in 1913, anymore than there is
today) any need in Britain to formally file a change of name. But
there would have been no reason for my great-uncle to change his
parents' * first * names, nor the town of birth. The fact that the
marriage was registered some 19 years after my great-uncle's birth?
My understanding is that Jewish religious marriages were often not
registered with the civil authorities until (if ever) years later -
for reasons of (among others) military service, or emigration.

Am I grasping at straws here, or does any of this make sense?

Peter LEBENSOLD
Toronto
~~~
Paul Silverstone

New York
please reply to paulh@aya.yale.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A retroactive name change? #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I have seen the same thing - changing the surname of the parent in
Poland - on applications to the US govt, such as for Social Security.
The deceased father who never left Poland was given the new American
surname of the applicant. I think it just made everything a little easier.
Paul Silverstone

Peter Lebensold wrote:
Shelley asked:

"The second question concerns the surname Barnett. When Hyman Barnett
remarried he gave his (deceased) father's name as Hyman Barnett. Would
I be correct in assuming that these were both anglicised names and that
Hyman would have been Chaim? And that Barnett was often given to jews
with various "B" names on entering England?"

===
...
So my theory is as follows (and I'd appreciate any comments):

To simplify matters on his application for citizenship, my great-uncle
simply gave his father the same last name that he'd adopted: I can't
imagine anyone would have checked the Polish-Russian records even if
they could have, and there was not (in 1913, anymore than there is
today) any need in Britain to formally file a change of name. But
there would have been no reason for my great-uncle to change his
parents' * first * names, nor the town of birth. The fact that the
marriage was registered some 19 years after my great-uncle's birth?
My understanding is that Jewish religious marriages were often not
registered with the civil authorities until (if ever) years later -
for reasons of (among others) military service, or emigration.

Am I grasping at straws here, or does any of this make sense?

Peter LEBENSOLD
Toronto
~~~
Paul Silverstone

New York
please reply to paulh@aya.yale.edu


question re. Andor Friem #hungary

evdarvas@...
 

hello!
does anyone know Andor Friem, whose last known address
was Petach-Tikva, <snip>, in Israel?
thanks much for any help.
Eva Darvas

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Hungary SIG #Hungary question re. Andor Friem #hungary

evdarvas@...
 

hello!
does anyone know Andor Friem, whose last known address
was Petach-Tikva, <snip>, in Israel?
thanks much for any help.
Eva Darvas

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Per JewishGen policies, street address is not shown.


Minneapolis Jewish Cemeteries #general

tina levine
 

I am searching for the grave of Joseph Drehspul, born 1902 and died
19 April 1966. His children and grandchildren who reside in Australia
and South Africa told me he is buried in Minneapolis, as is his second
wife. His wife's name was Gladys 1915-1984. They are buried in the
same cemetery.

I am trying to find a list of Jewish Cemeteries for the greater
Minneapolis area alo,ng with phone numbers, in order to phone them
and try and locate the graves. The information I've found online
regarding Minneapolis's Jewish cemeteries is incomplete.

Any info anyone can share would be greatly appreciated.

Tina Pachter Levine
NYC
Searching: Drehspul and variant spellings >from Kovno, Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Minneapolis Jewish Cemeteries #general

tina levine
 

I am searching for the grave of Joseph Drehspul, born 1902 and died
19 April 1966. His children and grandchildren who reside in Australia
and South Africa told me he is buried in Minneapolis, as is his second
wife. His wife's name was Gladys 1915-1984. They are buried in the
same cemetery.

I am trying to find a list of Jewish Cemeteries for the greater
Minneapolis area alo,ng with phone numbers, in order to phone them
and try and locate the graves. The information I've found online
regarding Minneapolis's Jewish cemeteries is incomplete.

Any info anyone can share would be greatly appreciated.

Tina Pachter Levine
NYC
Searching: Drehspul and variant spellings >from Kovno, Lithuania


JGS, Inc. (NY) meeting, March 21st, "Annie's Ghosts" and heads up re: special upcoming workshop #general

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

What: "Annie's Ghosts: A Journey into a Family's Secrets"
Who: Guest Speaker: Steve Luxenberg
When: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 2:00 PM
Where: Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th Street, New York City, N.Y.

Telephone: 212-294-8326
More information: WWW.JGSNY.ORG
Questions: INFO@JGSNY.ORG

Steve's mother was an only child. That's what she told everyone, sometimes
within minutes of meeting them. When Steve heard that his mother had been
hiding the existence of a sister, he was bewildered. He was certain she had
no siblings. Through personal letters and photographs, official records and
archival documents, as well as dozens of interviews, Steve revisits his
mother's world in the 1930s and 1940s in search of how and why the secret
was born. Employing his skills as a journalist, he pieces together the
story of his mother's motivations, his aunt's unknown life, and the times in
which they lived. His search takes him to imperial Russia and Depression-era
Detroit, through the Holocaust in Ukraine and the Philippine war zone, and
back to the places where his Aunt languished in anonymity.
Mr. Luxenberg, an associate editor of The Washington Post, has worked for
more than 30 years as a newspaper editor and reporter. Steve's career began
at The Baltimore Sun, where he worked for 11 years before joining The Post
in 1985. He has headed the Post's investigative staff, succeeding Bob
Woodward, and directed the Sunday commentary section. Reporters working for
Steve have won numerous awards, including two Pulitzer Prizes. A
book-signing will follow the presentation.

The Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute at CJH is open 12:30 to 1:45 PM
on March 21st for net-working with other researchers and access to research
materials and computers with a growing collection of Jewish LDS microfilms
on indefinite loan.

***
Heads Up:
A Very Special Program: Jewish Genealogical Society presents:
BASICS.AND BEYOND: FAMILY HISTORY RESEARCH FOR BEGINNING AND EXPERIENCED
FAMILY HISTORIANS
When: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 1:00 to 5:00 pm
Where: UJA-Federation of New York, 130 East 59th Street, 7th floor
Register now: JGS website: http://www.jgsny.org/

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Vice President of Programming
Jewish Genealogical Society,Inc (NY)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS, Inc. (NY) meeting, March 21st, "Annie's Ghosts" and heads up re: special upcoming workshop #general

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

What: "Annie's Ghosts: A Journey into a Family's Secrets"
Who: Guest Speaker: Steve Luxenberg
When: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 2:00 PM
Where: Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th Street, New York City, N.Y.

Telephone: 212-294-8326
More information: WWW.JGSNY.ORG
Questions: INFO@JGSNY.ORG

Steve's mother was an only child. That's what she told everyone, sometimes
within minutes of meeting them. When Steve heard that his mother had been
hiding the existence of a sister, he was bewildered. He was certain she had
no siblings. Through personal letters and photographs, official records and
archival documents, as well as dozens of interviews, Steve revisits his
mother's world in the 1930s and 1940s in search of how and why the secret
was born. Employing his skills as a journalist, he pieces together the
story of his mother's motivations, his aunt's unknown life, and the times in
which they lived. His search takes him to imperial Russia and Depression-era
Detroit, through the Holocaust in Ukraine and the Philippine war zone, and
back to the places where his Aunt languished in anonymity.
Mr. Luxenberg, an associate editor of The Washington Post, has worked for
more than 30 years as a newspaper editor and reporter. Steve's career began
at The Baltimore Sun, where he worked for 11 years before joining The Post
in 1985. He has headed the Post's investigative staff, succeeding Bob
Woodward, and directed the Sunday commentary section. Reporters working for
Steve have won numerous awards, including two Pulitzer Prizes. A
book-signing will follow the presentation.

The Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute at CJH is open 12:30 to 1:45 PM
on March 21st for net-working with other researchers and access to research
materials and computers with a growing collection of Jewish LDS microfilms
on indefinite loan.

***
Heads Up:
A Very Special Program: Jewish Genealogical Society presents:
BASICS.AND BEYOND: FAMILY HISTORY RESEARCH FOR BEGINNING AND EXPERIENCED
FAMILY HISTORIANS
When: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 1:00 to 5:00 pm
Where: UJA-Federation of New York, 130 East 59th Street, 7th floor
Register now: JGS website: http://www.jgsny.org/

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Vice President of Programming
Jewish Genealogical Society,Inc (NY)


Name changes in England #general

sp@...
 

Can anyone help please?
My g-g-grandparents came to England >from "Russian Poland" - that is what was
entered on a census form - in 1847/8/9. Family lore says Brest Litovsk
which may or may not be correct.
On all documents we have, mainly birth registrations of their children, they
are Hyman Barnett and Amelia Barnett, nee Nathan.
But when Amelia died in 1860, the death certificate is in the name of Bryna
Barnett.
What is the connection between the yiddish name Bryna and Amelia? Does
anyone know? Was she just allocated an English name?

The second question concerns the surname Barnett. When Hyman Barnett
remarried he gave his (deceased) father's name as Hyman Barnett. Would I be
correct in assuming that these were both anglicised names and that Hyman
would have been Chaim? And that Barnett was often given to jews with
various "B" names on entering England?
My thanks in advance
Shelley Power (nee Barnett)
sp@shelleypower.co.uk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Name changes in England #general

sp@...
 

Can anyone help please?
My g-g-grandparents came to England >from "Russian Poland" - that is what was
entered on a census form - in 1847/8/9. Family lore says Brest Litovsk
which may or may not be correct.
On all documents we have, mainly birth registrations of their children, they
are Hyman Barnett and Amelia Barnett, nee Nathan.
But when Amelia died in 1860, the death certificate is in the name of Bryna
Barnett.
What is the connection between the yiddish name Bryna and Amelia? Does
anyone know? Was she just allocated an English name?

The second question concerns the surname Barnett. When Hyman Barnett
remarried he gave his (deceased) father's name as Hyman Barnett. Would I be
correct in assuming that these were both anglicised names and that Hyman
would have been Chaim? And that Barnett was often given to jews with
various "B" names on entering England?
My thanks in advance
Shelley Power (nee Barnett)
sp@shelleypower.co.uk


Mt. Carmel Cemetery (CA) matzeva photos #general

Stephanie Weiner
 

Dear Genners,

I have approximately 300 photos of matzevas >from Mount Carmel Cemetery
in Commerce (Los Angeles County) California. They are on a CD, and I
can send you jpg's of them. There is an alphabetical (by surname) list
of these photos on the site of genner Hilary Henkin at
http://www.mymishpocha.net/mt-carmel.htm
To request a jpg, e-mail me at stephanie.weiner1@gmail.com
When requesting a jpg, be sure to include the following information:
last name, first name, slide number(s), and index card (1 or 2).

This is part of an ongoing project -- aimed eventually for JOWBR -- to
record the 10,000+ burials and photograph the matzevas at this
deceptively small-looking cemetery. Mount Carmel opened in 1931, and
continues to operate through the Chevra Kadisha.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA
stephanie.weiner1@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mt. Carmel Cemetery (CA) matzeva photos #general

Stephanie Weiner
 

Dear Genners,

I have approximately 300 photos of matzevas >from Mount Carmel Cemetery
in Commerce (Los Angeles County) California. They are on a CD, and I
can send you jpg's of them. There is an alphabetical (by surname) list
of these photos on the site of genner Hilary Henkin at
http://www.mymishpocha.net/mt-carmel.htm
To request a jpg, e-mail me at stephanie.weiner1@gmail.com
When requesting a jpg, be sure to include the following information:
last name, first name, slide number(s), and index card (1 or 2).

This is part of an ongoing project -- aimed eventually for JOWBR -- to
record the 10,000+ burials and photograph the matzevas at this
deceptively small-looking cemetery. Mount Carmel opened in 1931, and
continues to operate through the Chevra Kadisha.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA
stephanie.weiner1@gmail.com


Brody cemetery #general

katie sobol <katie2727@...>
 

Dear Fellow Genners:

Does anyone know how I can find out if any of my ancestors are buried in the
Jewish Cemetery in Brody, Ukraine? I would appreciate any assistance.

Thank you in advance. You may reply to me privately.
Katie Sobol
researcher#9386
katie2727@att.net
researching: ZOLLER, BRAUNSTEIN and MESSINGER.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brody cemetery #general

katie sobol <katie2727@...>
 

Dear Fellow Genners:

Does anyone know how I can find out if any of my ancestors are buried in the
Jewish Cemetery in Brody, Ukraine? I would appreciate any assistance.

Thank you in advance. You may reply to me privately.
Katie Sobol
researcher#9386
katie2727@att.net
researching: ZOLLER, BRAUNSTEIN and MESSINGER.


newman@...
 

Having seen Philip Moravcik's comments on Geni I should like to add three
comments:

1. Geni is a very well organized and searchable site.

2. The first problem I have with Geni begins when someone (usually a distant
family member) merges a family member's profile into a an existing one.
Unless that person is very very careful they end up managing the profile.
In my case I have had family members managing my wife profile, my mother's,
my father's and about 12 more!

To begin managing my close family member's profile again I spent weeks
sending my distant family members Geni emails requesting the transfer back
of something I had never knowingly given. If the manager doesn't agree or
cannot be bothered to advise Geni that profile remains in someone else's
hands.

3. I also find their teasing business format terrible. As a free member I
am continually being teased with offers to find new branches of my tree.
When looking at the data on a family member they will note that there are
one, two or three similar trees; however, woe to a free member who clicks on
that. For more information you have to be a pro member and pay USD 50
p/year. I could accept the offer to pay and search, however, the tease is unacceptable.

Furthermore, if those persons are, in fact, as Geni suggests my family and
as a free member I am allowed to see my whole family, then selling me
something that I am already supposed to have does not seem very ethical?

When recommending Geni, I carefully advise friends that it is a well ordered
site and worthwhile searching. However, Geni is in business and they make
money >from paying users. As such the user must be ready to pay or put up
with the limitations they impose.

Regards,

Bryan Newman, Jerusalem, Israel.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Geni #austria-czech

newman@...
 

Having seen Philip Moravcik's comments on Geni I should like to add three
comments:

1. Geni is a very well organized and searchable site.

2. The first problem I have with Geni begins when someone (usually a distant
family member) merges a family member's profile into a an existing one.
Unless that person is very very careful they end up managing the profile.
In my case I have had family members managing my wife profile, my mother's,
my father's and about 12 more!

To begin managing my close family member's profile again I spent weeks
sending my distant family members Geni emails requesting the transfer back
of something I had never knowingly given. If the manager doesn't agree or
cannot be bothered to advise Geni that profile remains in someone else's
hands.

3. I also find their teasing business format terrible. As a free member I
am continually being teased with offers to find new branches of my tree.
When looking at the data on a family member they will note that there are
one, two or three similar trees; however, woe to a free member who clicks on
that. For more information you have to be a pro member and pay USD 50
p/year. I could accept the offer to pay and search, however, the tease is unacceptable.

Furthermore, if those persons are, in fact, as Geni suggests my family and
as a free member I am allowed to see my whole family, then selling me
something that I am already supposed to have does not seem very ethical?

When recommending Geni, I carefully advise friends that it is a well ordered
site and worthwhile searching. However, Geni is in business and they make
money >from paying users. As such the user must be ready to pay or put up
with the limitations they impose.

Regards,

Bryan Newman, Jerusalem, Israel.


Looking for Eichner/Gesund family from Austria #austria-czech

jschulman@...
 

Dear AustriaCzech SIG:

I am trying to find information on Berthold EICHNER and his wife Laura
EICHNER. He died on 4/11/1909 at the age of 30 (possibly >from
tuberculosis). She died two years later on 8/27/1911 at the age of 33.
Both are buried in the Wiener Zentralfriedhof in Vienna, Austria.
Their young son Erich was around 2 when his mother died. He was
orphaned and adopted by someone (I don't know who) in our Gesund family.
I know this because his name appears on my maternal great grandmother's
(Regina GESUND) death notice as a grandson.

I am trying to find out if he was adopted because his mother had been a
Gesund. Therefore, I would like to find out what Laura Eichner's maiden
name was. How do I get copies of birth certificates, death certificates
or marriage certificates.

Also how do I find out if the adoption was formalized.

Any help is greatly appreciated

Sincerely
Judy Schulman
San Diego, California, USA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Looking for Eichner/Gesund family from Austria #austria-czech

jschulman@...
 

Dear AustriaCzech SIG:

I am trying to find information on Berthold EICHNER and his wife Laura
EICHNER. He died on 4/11/1909 at the age of 30 (possibly >from
tuberculosis). She died two years later on 8/27/1911 at the age of 33.
Both are buried in the Wiener Zentralfriedhof in Vienna, Austria.
Their young son Erich was around 2 when his mother died. He was
orphaned and adopted by someone (I don't know who) in our Gesund family.
I know this because his name appears on my maternal great grandmother's
(Regina GESUND) death notice as a grandson.

I am trying to find out if he was adopted because his mother had been a
Gesund. Therefore, I would like to find out what Laura Eichner's maiden
name was. How do I get copies of birth certificates, death certificates
or marriage certificates.

Also how do I find out if the adoption was formalized.

Any help is greatly appreciated

Sincerely
Judy Schulman
San Diego, California, USA