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JOWBR #austria-czech

morav@...
 

Hello, Inspired by the notice >from this listserv that the JOBWR
database now contains some 2.7 million records I went searching for a
few graves of my ancestors. I found one, and it says "Chevra Kadish
Book Record: 21904 Book: Z Page: 35. beigel." and I am curious as to
whether these records can be viewed anywhere?

Thank you.

Philip Moravcik, Honolulu
Subrabbiner #austria-czech

shneor.m@...
 

Hello,

In the Jewish records of deaths for the city of Pressburg (Bratislava)
from the year 1851, there appears an occupational term (in the
column "Stand oder Beschaeftigung") "Subrabbiner." I would like to hear
from anyone who is familiar with this term.
Thank you,

Shneor Morosow
Brooklyn, NY
Chameides and Schiff families #galicia

Carol Sicherman <csicher@...>
 

I am searching for information about Tzila Chameides. She married Usher
Schiff, son of Leibele and Ester Rachel Schiff. I would like the birth dates
of these two, and if possible their marriage date and any progeny. Her
father-in-law, Leibele Schiff, was the son of Usher Schiff (1831-94) and
Matel Reisel Odze (1833-85).

With regard to the Chameides family, Mayer (Meir) Chameides (dates
unknown) married Chava Ruchel Schiff (b. 1862). Of their eight children
who lived to adulthood, the one that interests me is Moses (Meir), b. 1885,
who married Freude Jente Meisel/Rohrberger in 1911. Moses appears to
have been a cousin of Jacob Isak Sicherman (1891-1962), who married
Matel Reisel Schiff (his first cousin; 1886-1974). Wolf Chameides, same
generation as Mayer Chameides, married Cecylia (Cyle) Grau; I would like
to know his relationship to Mayer.

The associated towns are Boryslaw, Sanok, Drohobych, and Baligrod.

Carol Sicherman
Researching SCHIFF, SICHERMAN, CHAMEIDES
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech JOWBR #austria-czech

morav@...
 

Hello, Inspired by the notice >from this listserv that the JOBWR
database now contains some 2.7 million records I went searching for a
few graves of my ancestors. I found one, and it says "Chevra Kadish
Book Record: 21904 Book: Z Page: 35. beigel." and I am curious as to
whether these records can be viewed anywhere?

Thank you.

Philip Moravcik, Honolulu
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Subrabbiner #austria-czech

shneor.m@...
 

Hello,

In the Jewish records of deaths for the city of Pressburg (Bratislava)
from the year 1851, there appears an occupational term (in the
column "Stand oder Beschaeftigung") "Subrabbiner." I would like to hear
from anyone who is familiar with this term.
Thank you,

Shneor Morosow
Brooklyn, NY
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Chameides and Schiff families #galicia

Carol Sicherman <csicher@...>
 

I am searching for information about Tzila Chameides. She married Usher
Schiff, son of Leibele and Ester Rachel Schiff. I would like the birth dates
of these two, and if possible their marriage date and any progeny. Her
father-in-law, Leibele Schiff, was the son of Usher Schiff (1831-94) and
Matel Reisel Odze (1833-85).

With regard to the Chameides family, Mayer (Meir) Chameides (dates
unknown) married Chava Ruchel Schiff (b. 1862). Of their eight children
who lived to adulthood, the one that interests me is Moses (Meir), b. 1885,
who married Freude Jente Meisel/Rohrberger in 1911. Moses appears to
have been a cousin of Jacob Isak Sicherman (1891-1962), who married
Matel Reisel Schiff (his first cousin; 1886-1974). Wolf Chameides, same
generation as Mayer Chameides, married Cecylia (Cyle) Grau; I would like
to know his relationship to Mayer.

The associated towns are Boryslaw, Sanok, Drohobych, and Baligrod.

Carol Sicherman
Researching SCHIFF, SICHERMAN, CHAMEIDES
Subrabbiner #austria-czech

shneor.m@...
 

Hello,

In the Jewish records of deaths for the city of Pressburg (Bratislava)
from the year 1851, there appears an occupational term (in the
column "Stand oder Beschaeftigung") "Subrabbiner." I would like to hear
from anyone who is familiar with this term.
Thank you,

Shneor Morosow
Brooklyn, NY
IMPORTANT REQUEST TO OUR DEAR JEWISHGEN FAMILY #austria-czech

Groll, Avraham
 

This week we ask you to help JewishGen. 

We are a small, independent organization (with only 3 staff members)
that relies completely on the support of those who utilize our
services. We are not publicly funded and have more than 1,000
volunteers throughout the world. 

We're sustained by donations averaging about $75-$100. Only a small
percentage of the thousands of our users are in a position to
contribute funds financially. If everyone reading this right now made
a donation of $75-$100, our fundraiser would be done by the end of
the day. 

Investing in JewishGen allows us to continue our important work. >from
the JGFF (Family Finder), to our InfoFiles, Yizkor Book translations,
KehilaLinks and Databases, we are continually focused on improving
and expanding our offerings. It's because of our users support that we
added more than 1 million records this year, for a total of more than
22 million overall.

If JewishGen is useful to you, please take one minute and support our
important work. Everything we offer at JewishGen is at no cost. We
believe strongly that everyone should have access to free information
about their Jewish family history and information, and we need your help. 

Please support our important work, by visiting:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=64

Thank you in advance, we can't do this without you.
- The JewishGen Team
does anyone have a copy of Egon Hostovsky memoir in Czech? #austria-czech

Helen Epstein
 

I'm interested in possibly publishing a tradlation of Egon HOSTOVSKY's
memoir of being a writer in exile and would like to check the ms. I
have against the Czech original. Does anyone out there own it and if
so, could you be in touch with me?

Thanks,

Helen

www.helenepstein.com
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Subrabbiner #austria-czech

shneor.m@...
 

Hello,

In the Jewish records of deaths for the city of Pressburg (Bratislava)
from the year 1851, there appears an occupational term (in the
column "Stand oder Beschaeftigung") "Subrabbiner." I would like to hear
from anyone who is familiar with this term.
Thank you,

Shneor Morosow
Brooklyn, NY
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech IMPORTANT REQUEST TO OUR DEAR JEWISHGEN FAMILY #austria-czech

Groll, Avraham
 

This week we ask you to help JewishGen. 

We are a small, independent organization (with only 3 staff members)
that relies completely on the support of those who utilize our
services. We are not publicly funded and have more than 1,000
volunteers throughout the world. 

We're sustained by donations averaging about $75-$100. Only a small
percentage of the thousands of our users are in a position to
contribute funds financially. If everyone reading this right now made
a donation of $75-$100, our fundraiser would be done by the end of
the day. 

Investing in JewishGen allows us to continue our important work. >from
the JGFF (Family Finder), to our InfoFiles, Yizkor Book translations,
KehilaLinks and Databases, we are continually focused on improving
and expanding our offerings. It's because of our users support that we
added more than 1 million records this year, for a total of more than
22 million overall.

If JewishGen is useful to you, please take one minute and support our
important work. Everything we offer at JewishGen is at no cost. We
believe strongly that everyone should have access to free information
about their Jewish family history and information, and we need your help. 

Please support our important work, by visiting:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=64

Thank you in advance, we can't do this without you.
- The JewishGen Team
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech does anyone have a copy of Egon Hostovsky memoir in Czech? #austria-czech

Helen Epstein
 

I'm interested in possibly publishing a tradlation of Egon HOSTOVSKY's
memoir of being a writer in exile and would like to check the ms. I
have against the Czech original. Does anyone out there own it and if
so, could you be in touch with me?

Thanks,

Helen

www.helenepstein.com
Przemysl Cadastral Map 1942 on the Gesher Galicia Map Room #galicia

Jay Osborn <jay.osborn@...>
 

Yes, the subject line says 1942... when Przemysl was under wartime
German occupation. We've just posted to the Gesher Galicia Map Room a
rare example of a property (cadastral) survey map produced during
World War II:

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/cadastral/przemysl-1942-2/

It's a complete, single-color lithographed map of the entire city of
Przemysl with surrounding suburbs, based on a pre-war Polish cadastral
survey; analysis by Gesher Galicia of features of this and other maps
brackets that earlier Polish survey between 1928 and 1939 (when
bridges and synagogues were destroyed); some clues suggest it may
predate 1935. New elements of the city appearing after the Austrian
1852 cadastral map include the "New" or Scheinbach synagogue, the new
Jewish cemetery, the Jewish hospital, and a Jewish high school.

Roughly 80 years after the 1852 survey, by the 1930s the city had
grown and developed significantly, but the layout of the city center
remained largely the same. Surprisingly, no new parcel and building
number scheme had been introduced, although many parcels had been
split, joined, or changed, and many new buildings were built on empty
land or replacing older structures. Comparison with the 19th-century
cadastral map is striking:

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/cadastral/przemysl-1852-2/

For example, the new Jewish cemetery is numbered #675/1 in 1942; in
1852, there was no cemetery but parcel #675 is one of the farm fields
in the same location. This type of numbering continuity is very unusual
over such a long span of years.

It's important to note that these building and parcel numbers are for tax
identification, not street addresses like postal locations. For much of the
Galician period, cadastral numbers served as the only location identifier,
so house numbers on older vital records and other documents can be
directly correlated to buildings and/or parcels on the early maps. In
many towns such as Przemysl, eventually street addresses replaced
property numbers as the primary location identifier in most records,
except for property records; this is similar to the separation of street
addresses and parcel numbers in many parts of the US today. However,
in some smaller villages throughout the former Austrian Empire, original
cadastral house numbers persist today as the only building identifier for
postal and other purposes.

Because the 1852 and pre-war land surveys were so detailed, often it is
possible to correlate later building street addresses to specific outlines
on the earlier maps. Two historical street maps of Przemysl are viewable
in the excellent digital urban maps database of the Lviv Center for Urban
History of East Central Europe, >from 1907 and 1937:

http://www.lvivcenter.org/en/umd/location/przemysl/

and of course you can use several online maps (Google, Bing, etc.) to
correlate the buildings on our cadastral maps to modern street
addresses; the online map at OpenStreetMap.org is especially useful
for that.

We hope you enjoy viewing and using this rare wartime cadastral map as
an important link between Austrian Galicia and modern Poland.

Images for this 1942 map were provided to Gesher Galicia by the
Archiwum Panstwowe w Rzeszowie:
http://www.rzeszow.ap.gov.pl/index1.php

The GG Map Room home page: http://maps.geshergalicia.org/

Jay Osborn
Gesher Galicia Map Room Coordinator
Warsaw, Poland
maps@...
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Przemysl Cadastral Map 1942 on the Gesher Galicia Map Room #galicia

Jay Osborn <jay.osborn@...>
 

Yes, the subject line says 1942... when Przemysl was under wartime
German occupation. We've just posted to the Gesher Galicia Map Room a
rare example of a property (cadastral) survey map produced during
World War II:

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/cadastral/przemysl-1942-2/

It's a complete, single-color lithographed map of the entire city of
Przemysl with surrounding suburbs, based on a pre-war Polish cadastral
survey; analysis by Gesher Galicia of features of this and other maps
brackets that earlier Polish survey between 1928 and 1939 (when
bridges and synagogues were destroyed); some clues suggest it may
predate 1935. New elements of the city appearing after the Austrian
1852 cadastral map include the "New" or Scheinbach synagogue, the new
Jewish cemetery, the Jewish hospital, and a Jewish high school.

Roughly 80 years after the 1852 survey, by the 1930s the city had
grown and developed significantly, but the layout of the city center
remained largely the same. Surprisingly, no new parcel and building
number scheme had been introduced, although many parcels had been
split, joined, or changed, and many new buildings were built on empty
land or replacing older structures. Comparison with the 19th-century
cadastral map is striking:

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/cadastral/przemysl-1852-2/

For example, the new Jewish cemetery is numbered #675/1 in 1942; in
1852, there was no cemetery but parcel #675 is one of the farm fields
in the same location. This type of numbering continuity is very unusual
over such a long span of years.

It's important to note that these building and parcel numbers are for tax
identification, not street addresses like postal locations. For much of the
Galician period, cadastral numbers served as the only location identifier,
so house numbers on older vital records and other documents can be
directly correlated to buildings and/or parcels on the early maps. In
many towns such as Przemysl, eventually street addresses replaced
property numbers as the primary location identifier in most records,
except for property records; this is similar to the separation of street
addresses and parcel numbers in many parts of the US today. However,
in some smaller villages throughout the former Austrian Empire, original
cadastral house numbers persist today as the only building identifier for
postal and other purposes.

Because the 1852 and pre-war land surveys were so detailed, often it is
possible to correlate later building street addresses to specific outlines
on the earlier maps. Two historical street maps of Przemysl are viewable
in the excellent digital urban maps database of the Lviv Center for Urban
History of East Central Europe, >from 1907 and 1937:

http://www.lvivcenter.org/en/umd/location/przemysl/

and of course you can use several online maps (Google, Bing, etc.) to
correlate the buildings on our cadastral maps to modern street
addresses; the online map at OpenStreetMap.org is especially useful
for that.

We hope you enjoy viewing and using this rare wartime cadastral map as
an important link between Austrian Galicia and modern Poland.

Images for this 1942 map were provided to Gesher Galicia by the
Archiwum Panstwowe w Rzeszowie:
http://www.rzeszow.ap.gov.pl/index1.php

The GG Map Room home page: http://maps.geshergalicia.org/

Jay Osborn
Gesher Galicia Map Room Coordinator
Warsaw, Poland
maps@...
Plain Text: Wallenberg Passports #hungary

dandarooney@...
 

Is there a list of the names of Jews in Budapest that were recipients of the
Raul Wallenberg "passports" during the Nazi occupation of Budapest?

Angie Rooney
Sacramento, CA

Moderator: Yes, there is. JewishGen volunteers are now transcribing the list. Contact
Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator at vkahn@... for more information or to
volunteer.
Hungary SIG #Hungary Plain Text: Wallenberg Passports #hungary

dandarooney@...
 

Is there a list of the names of Jews in Budapest that were recipients of the
Raul Wallenberg "passports" during the Nazi occupation of Budapest?

Angie Rooney
Sacramento, CA

Moderator: Yes, there is. JewishGen volunteers are now transcribing the list. Contact
Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator at vkahn@... for more information or to
volunteer.
Arthur & Beatrix LASSLOW #hungary

mllm39@...
 

Dear All,

I'm trying to find information on Arthur LASSLOW (1883 - 1978) and his
wife Beatrix LASSLOW.

Arthur LASSLOW was a painter and art dealer, originally >from Budapest.
He and his wife came to the U.S. in 1913 and settled in Manhattan.

If anybody knew Arthur and Beatrix or knows if they have any living
descendants, please let me know.

(I assume the name was originally Laszlo, but changed to LASSLOW to
preserve the original pronunciation.)

Thank you,

Michael L Miller
(Budapest)

Researching: LASSLOW

Moderator: Please respond off-list unless your information is likely to be of
general interest.
Hungary SIG #Hungary Arthur & Beatrix LASSLOW #hungary

mllm39@...
 

Dear All,

I'm trying to find information on Arthur LASSLOW (1883 - 1978) and his
wife Beatrix LASSLOW.

Arthur LASSLOW was a painter and art dealer, originally >from Budapest.
He and his wife came to the U.S. in 1913 and settled in Manhattan.

If anybody knew Arthur and Beatrix or knows if they have any living
descendants, please let me know.

(I assume the name was originally Laszlo, but changed to LASSLOW to
preserve the original pronunciation.)

Thank you,

Michael L Miller
(Budapest)

Researching: LASSLOW

Moderator: Please respond off-list unless your information is likely to be of
general interest.
Re Post Holocaust DP camps - DEGOB #hungary

judyyoung@...
 

Please note that the DEGOB committee's testimonies (Deportaltakat Gondozo O=
rszagos Bizottsag/National Committee for Attending Deportees) mentioned by =
Gabor Hirsch in the message below are available online in English here: htt=
p://degob.org/index.php and in Hungarian here: http://degob.hu/index.php .=
I hope I am not giving you old information or information that is already=
available to JewishGen.

It is a very difficult website for finding things you may want to search f=
or, especially in English. There is no easy access to the testimonies (whic=
h they call protocols) themselves in the general search, except by searchin=
g for specific words such as place names, eg Budapest, Kassa, etc (and any=
accented word in Hungarian such as the town Kecskem=E9t has to be typed i=
n with the Hungarian accents).=20

I would suggest for an English speaker to start by reading the background t=
o the documents in the menu item on the left entitled "ON DEGOB." This gi=
ves you two options: "the Protocols" and "the History of DEGOB". Both of th=
ese sections have useful information about the whole project (which was und=
ertaken in 1945-46) and some sources. The menu items on the right also have=
lots of information about the Holocaust in Hungary in English.

But the search mechanism which is the first item (or the first two items as=
they both take you to the search) on the left menu is quite hopeless. Th=
e only way I could get to any of the actual protocols is to put in a place =
name in the simple search such as Budapest and then a whole lot of protoc=
ols come up with a couple of lines each but with an arrow saying "more" and=
clicking that gets you the actual text of the particular testimony (protoc=
ol).=20

There is also an "advanced search" where under "topical search" they provid=
e a whole lot of categories which can be useful . But if you try to put a n=
umber in the bottom category "Go to protocol" nothing comes up in the Engl=
ish version but the numbers do bring up the protocol in the Hungarian versi=
on. Personal names are useless even in the Hungarian version because the n=
ames of the individual survivors who gave their testimony are not included,=
only their initials. Thus the database cannot be searched by name even in =
Hungarian.=20

I seem to remember that I was once on the DEGOB website and was able to loo=
k through all the testimonies one after the other (in Hungarian) but cannot=
find it now. I know that the original testimonies (the whole DEGOB collect=
ion) is in the Hungarian Jewish Archives - recently amalgamated with the Hu=
ngarian Jewish Museum - and is now called Hungarian Jewish Museum and Archi=
ves. Their website is here: http://enmilev.weebly.com/museum.html

Judy Young
Ottawa




The Hungarian DEGOB (Deportaltakat Gondozo Orszagos Bizottsag/National Comm=
ittee for Attending Deportees) collected beside some 4500 testimonies also =
some lists about Hungarien waiting in different DP camps for their repatria=
tion. The lists were published in 5 issues in Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol / New=
s >from the dragged away. So about the camp Sluzk in Beloruss with some 849 =
inmates, children, womem and men. The lists can be found in different libra=
ries and Holocaust archives, also by Jewishgen - if I am correct.=20
All the best
Gabor Hirsch

Gesendet:=C2=A0Sonntag, 20. Dezember 2015 um 01:35 Uhr Von:=C2=A0"Alfred Si=
lberman alsilberman@..." <h-sig@...> An:=C2=A0H-SIG <=
h-sig@...> Betreff:=C2=A0[h-sig] FW: Post Holocaust DP Camp=
s While there are thousands and thousands of books on the holocaust and man=
y databases on the victims (such as those on Jewish-Gen) I have yet to see =
any books or databases on people who were located in the DP camps.

I was an infant and child post the war and lived with my parents and a brot=
her in an Austrian DP camp for three years until we were allowed to immigra=
te to the US.

Are there any books and / or databases on the locations of the DP camps whe=
re people such as myself were temporarily located?

Alfred Silberman
Monsey, NY
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re Post Holocaust DP camps - DEGOB #hungary

judyyoung@...
 

Please note that the DEGOB committee's testimonies (Deportaltakat Gondozo O=
rszagos Bizottsag/National Committee for Attending Deportees) mentioned by =
Gabor Hirsch in the message below are available online in English here: htt=
p://degob.org/index.php and in Hungarian here: http://degob.hu/index.php .=
I hope I am not giving you old information or information that is already=
available to JewishGen.

It is a very difficult website for finding things you may want to search f=
or, especially in English. There is no easy access to the testimonies (whic=
h they call protocols) themselves in the general search, except by searchin=
g for specific words such as place names, eg Budapest, Kassa, etc (and any=
accented word in Hungarian such as the town Kecskem=E9t has to be typed i=
n with the Hungarian accents).=20

I would suggest for an English speaker to start by reading the background t=
o the documents in the menu item on the left entitled "ON DEGOB." This gi=
ves you two options: "the Protocols" and "the History of DEGOB". Both of th=
ese sections have useful information about the whole project (which was und=
ertaken in 1945-46) and some sources. The menu items on the right also have=
lots of information about the Holocaust in Hungary in English.

But the search mechanism which is the first item (or the first two items as=
they both take you to the search) on the left menu is quite hopeless. Th=
e only way I could get to any of the actual protocols is to put in a place =
name in the simple search such as Budapest and then a whole lot of protoc=
ols come up with a couple of lines each but with an arrow saying "more" and=
clicking that gets you the actual text of the particular testimony (protoc=
ol).=20

There is also an "advanced search" where under "topical search" they provid=
e a whole lot of categories which can be useful . But if you try to put a n=
umber in the bottom category "Go to protocol" nothing comes up in the Engl=
ish version but the numbers do bring up the protocol in the Hungarian versi=
on. Personal names are useless even in the Hungarian version because the n=
ames of the individual survivors who gave their testimony are not included,=
only their initials. Thus the database cannot be searched by name even in =
Hungarian.=20

I seem to remember that I was once on the DEGOB website and was able to loo=
k through all the testimonies one after the other (in Hungarian) but cannot=
find it now. I know that the original testimonies (the whole DEGOB collect=
ion) is in the Hungarian Jewish Archives - recently amalgamated with the Hu=
ngarian Jewish Museum - and is now called Hungarian Jewish Museum and Archi=
ves. Their website is here: http://enmilev.weebly.com/museum.html

Judy Young
Ottawa




The Hungarian DEGOB (Deportaltakat Gondozo Orszagos Bizottsag/National Comm=
ittee for Attending Deportees) collected beside some 4500 testimonies also =
some lists about Hungarien waiting in different DP camps for their repatria=
tion. The lists were published in 5 issues in Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol / New=
s >from the dragged away. So about the camp Sluzk in Beloruss with some 849 =
inmates, children, womem and men. The lists can be found in different libra=
ries and Holocaust archives, also by Jewishgen - if I am correct.=20
All the best
Gabor Hirsch

Gesendet:=C2=A0Sonntag, 20. Dezember 2015 um 01:35 Uhr Von:=C2=A0"Alfred Si=
lberman alsilberman@..." <h-sig@...> An:=C2=A0H-SIG <=
h-sig@...> Betreff:=C2=A0[h-sig] FW: Post Holocaust DP Camp=
s While there are thousands and thousands of books on the holocaust and man=
y databases on the victims (such as those on Jewish-Gen) I have yet to see =
any books or databases on people who were located in the DP camps.

I was an infant and child post the war and lived with my parents and a brot=
her in an Austrian DP camp for three years until we were allowed to immigra=
te to the US.

Are there any books and / or databases on the locations of the DP camps whe=
re people such as myself were temporarily located?

Alfred Silberman
Monsey, NY
90621 - 90640 of 669727