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Re: Benjamin and James VORZIMER

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Renee, you are wonderful! 

I theorized that the sons might have used their mother’s maiden name….(Wonder what the father did that both boys dropped his name)
but could not make the connection to the one in London.

Could you use your magic and see if you can find obits for her or the boys? 

Many thanks!
Barbara

On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:57 AM, Renee Steinig <genmaven@...> wrote:

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...> asked about Bettina nee
WORMSER (1902 NYC - 1987) and her two sons, Benjamin VORZIMER (born
1924) and James VORZIMER (born c1930), whom she last saw on the 1940
census.


The sons appear to have used the name Wormser.

Benjamin Vorzimer was born in Manhattan on 22 April 1924. Ancestry's
Public Records Index has two listings for a Benjamin Y. Wormser born
on that same date. Among his past addresses are several in Sherman,
Connecticut -- six miles from New Milford -- and one in White Plains,
New York. Edythe J. Wormser (born 1925) shows up at some of the same
addresses; she's probably the Edythe J. Krug who married Benjamin
Wormser in 1945 in Manhattan.

Ancestry also has records for a James Wormser with the same birth date
as James Vorzimer's (5 Nov. 1930), including a London death record (2
June 2004).

Confirmation that these are the right people comes from their
stepfather Paul Miller's obituary, which mentions, among other
relatives, his wife Bettina of Poplar Bluff, Missouri, and sons
Benjamin Wormser of White Plains and James Wormser of London
(Baltimore Evening Sun, 5 Jul 1973, viewed on newspapers.com). Paul
was buried in Shaarei Tfiloh Congregation Cemetery in Baltimore
County, Maryland. Last residence in his Social Security record: Poplar
Bluff, Missouri. You'll see that the obit mentions a daughter and
brother in Baltimore; perhaps he was visiting them.

According to beenverified.com, Benjamin Wormser died in July 2014;
last residence Sunny Isles, Florida. Edythe may still be alive. (Their
apartment is still listed in Miami-Dade property records --
https://www8.miamidade.gov/Apps/PA/propertysearch/#/ .)

As for Bettina's burial place... Her parents are buried at Mount Neboh
in Queens. Perhaps check there?

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...



Re: Relationship question

Trudy Barch
 


Betty is NOT legally related to Edgar.   Being that it is her current husband's son from his first marriage and assuming that he has visitation rights.....Edgar might refer to her as Betty or mother out of respect.   Also depends upon Edgar's age when the 2nd marriage occurred.  Was Edgar a child or adult?  Also different scenario IF Betty adopted Edgar.  Also depends upon what year you are referring - in the 1940s children did not call adults by their first name.  In the 2000s first names are accepted by most adults.


Chaikin Researchers #belarus

Rochelle Gershenow
 

I am looking for any researchers who have Shlioma Chaikin (b. 1869) and
Beile Chaikin (b. 1872) in their trees. Shlioma and Beile were probably
both born in Gomel but moved to Priluki with their father, Leivik, when he
remarried in 1878 after the death of his first wife. Another brother, David
(b.1875 in Gomel), lived with his father and stepmother and lived in Kharkov
as an adult. I have contacted researchers listed in JGFF.

Rochelle Gershenow
Connecticut, USA
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Chaikin Researchers #belarus

Rochelle Gershenow
 

I am looking for any researchers who have Shlioma Chaikin (b. 1869) and
Beile Chaikin (b. 1872) in their trees. Shlioma and Beile were probably
both born in Gomel but moved to Priluki with their father, Leivik, when he
remarried in 1878 after the death of his first wife. Another brother, David
(b.1875 in Gomel), lived with his father and stepmother and lived in Kharkov
as an adult. I have contacted researchers listed in JGFF.

Rochelle Gershenow
Connecticut, USA
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Re: Help Stop USCIS Genealogy Program Fee Hikes

Renée K. Carl
 

Hello David
Thank you for looking at the information. You do not need to be a US resident nor citizen to submit a public comment. Any interested party can make their voice heard. It does not matter if you live in the USA or another location. The only part that is for US residents is writing to Congress. 

The only way to impact the rulemaking process is to submit comments at the Federal portal.

You can make a difference. Make your voice heard in 3 easy steps:

Step 1Review the proposed rule here, and jump to the Genealogy Program section here. There’s a summary available at RecordsNotRevenue.com

Step 2Write your comments, addressing the issues listed here or any issue you think is important. See these conversation starters for thoughts on how to begin. 

Step 3Send your comments BEFORE 16 DECEMBER 2019 to

    • Federal Rulemaking Portal and refer to DHS Docket No. USCIS-2019-0010 and follow instructions for submitting comments; and
    • Send a copy of your comments to your US Senators and Representative, and refer to DHS Docket No. USCIS-2019-0010. Tell them you care about preserving access to federal records!
Only part B of this last step is for US residents. Everyone can help with sending comments to the Rulemaling Portal.

Thank you 
Renée 


On Fri, 22 Nov 2019, 12:23 am David Lewin, <david@...> wrote:
As I see it, RecordsNotRevenue.com is directed at US citizen.    This is an International problem, not an American one.

Please will you make a Petition place for all researchers to use

David Lewin
London


At 14:16 20/11/2019, Renée K. Carl wrote:
Building off of Jan Meisels Allen's 15 Nov post ( https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/message/1150), I have more information to share on the outrageous proposal by USCIS Genealogy Program to raise the cost of accessing documents by more than 400%. An ad hoc group of genealogists, historians, and records access advocates have compiled a summary of the issues, information on the USCIS Genealogy program, and 3 easy steps you can take to help stop this fee hike.

Visit RecordsNotRevenue.com and please take a few minutes to post your comments on the fee hikes at the Federal Rulemaking Portal (not here!). All you need to know and all the links are located at RecordsNotRevenue.com .

Equally important, please share this information with your local JGS and other genealogy groups, historians, etc. This issue is important beyond the USCIS records. If it can happen to those records, it can happen to others!

Thank you for your time and assistance!
Renee K. Carl
Washington DC


Re: Relationship question

Geoff Bradley-cox
 

Betty is the step-mother of Edgar; Alan is the step-father of Edgar

Daisy is the step-mother of Charles

Step-parents are married to the natural fathers or mothers of children.

I have 2 step-daughters - each of them are children of my husband, who was married twice before I met him, so they each have a different mother.

I pity family historians in the future!




Conditions for emmigrants from Poland to UK to USA. #poland

N. Summers
 

I just found a terrific webpage about the migration of emmigrants from Poland to Scandinavia to the UK to the US!

A few days ago I  found a passenger list with my grandparents’ names on it, from a ship that left Liverpool, England for New York in 1920. It said that they were from Poland and had arrived in the UK from Danzig and Hull on the steamship Ellerman of the Wilson Line. That led me to look for Danzig (now Gdansk, Poland) and Hull (a port on the east coast of England, in Yorkshire). And the Wilson Line. It turns out that a lot of people took this route to the United States. The website I found has lots of helpful information, including a report from a local inspector about the lack of satisfactory accommodations for immigrants once they arrived in Hull, and the statement that most immigrants transiting England took a train from Hull to Liverpool.

I’m sure others have found this site before me, but it was a pretty exciting find for me!

Norway Heritage Project
Maryland, USA

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, LISS, ALPER, LIFSCHITZ, LEAF, LUSMAN



Jewish ancestry

Geoff Bradley-cox
 

I have a Jewish ancestor - my 3 x great-grandmother. Am I able to call myself Jewish?


Mauthausen Transport List #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

As I mentioned in a recent message, Peter Lande at the US Holocaust =
Memorial Museum has come across a list of 1944 transports >from Auschwitz =
to Mauthausen. He is going to make lists available to JewishGen to =
transcribe so the names can be added to the Holocaust database. The =
names are primarily Hungarian but include some Polish prisoners as well. =
Nolan and I reviewed a few pages and they appear to be relatively =
legible. Except for the occupations, which are in German, the list =
should be easy for anyone who has some familiarity with Hungarian =
personal and place names. We will provide a template and translation =
guide for the occupations (e.g. schneider = tailor, arbeiter, =
worker, schuster = cobbler, etc.). If you are interested in =
volunteering, please contact me off list and Nolan and I will get you =
started.

Thanks are, of course, again due to Peter, who is always on the lookout =
for resources likely to be of interest and use to JewishGen researchers.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
Hungarian Research Director=


Hungary SIG #Hungary Mauthausen Transport List #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

As I mentioned in a recent message, Peter Lande at the US Holocaust =
Memorial Museum has come across a list of 1944 transports >from Auschwitz =
to Mauthausen. He is going to make lists available to JewishGen to =
transcribe so the names can be added to the Holocaust database. The =
names are primarily Hungarian but include some Polish prisoners as well. =
Nolan and I reviewed a few pages and they appear to be relatively =
legible. Except for the occupations, which are in German, the list =
should be easy for anyone who has some familiarity with Hungarian =
personal and place names. We will provide a template and translation =
guide for the occupations (e.g. schneider = tailor, arbeiter, =
worker, schuster = cobbler, etc.). If you are interested in =
volunteering, please contact me off list and Nolan and I will get you =
started.

Thanks are, of course, again due to Peter, who is always on the lookout =
for resources likely to be of interest and use to JewishGen researchers.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
Hungarian Research Director=


Re: Relationship question

rv Kaplan
 

I reckon that Charles and Edgar are half brothers, sharing the same father.  Betty isn't the step-mother of Edgar, as she is no longer married to Edgar's father. 

Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland


On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 00:45, <JoRose@...> wrote:
Allen and Betty marry and have a son--Charles.
They divorce.
Allen and Daisy marry and have a son--Edgar.
[Have you noticed that the names are in alphabetical order, for clarity.]
Facts:
Allen is the father of Charles and Edgar.
Daisy is the step-mother of Charles and the mother of Edgar.
Betty is the mother of Charles.
Is Betty the step-mother of Edgar?
Why or why not?
Thanks in advance for your opinion.


"NYC's YIVO Institute holds Jewish memories saved from destruction during the Holocaust -- What's in the Basement?" #galicia

Tony Hausner
 

"NYC's YIVO Institute holds Jewish memories saved >from destruction during the
Holocaust -- What's in the Basement?"

https://mashable.com/video/yivo-jewish-institute/

My mother's family comes >from Skala Podolskaya in Eastern Galicia. Our
JewishGen town research group has copied over 100 documents that were
accumulated between 1960-2000 >from various archives. These were stored at
YIVO.

Tony Hausner
Silver Spring, MD 20901
(primary email address: thausner@gmail.com)

MODERATOR NOTE: This 14-minute video features YIVO Executive Director
Jonathan Brent and staff members Eddy Portnoy and Stefanie Halpern,
describing YIVO's history and unique holdings. Another video in Mashable's
"What's in the Basement?" series
(https://mashable.com/shows/whats-in-the-basement/) explores the "history
found under the floor boards" of New York City's Tenement Museum on the
Lower East Side.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia "NYC's YIVO Institute holds Jewish memories saved from destruction during the Holocaust -- What's in the Basement?" #galicia

Tony Hausner
 

"NYC's YIVO Institute holds Jewish memories saved >from destruction during the
Holocaust -- What's in the Basement?"

https://mashable.com/video/yivo-jewish-institute/

My mother's family comes >from Skala Podolskaya in Eastern Galicia. Our
JewishGen town research group has copied over 100 documents that were
accumulated between 1960-2000 >from various archives. These were stored at
YIVO.

Tony Hausner
Silver Spring, MD 20901
(primary email address: thausner@gmail.com)

MODERATOR NOTE: This 14-minute video features YIVO Executive Director
Jonathan Brent and staff members Eddy Portnoy and Stefanie Halpern,
describing YIVO's history and unique holdings. Another video in Mashable's
"What's in the Basement?" series
(https://mashable.com/shows/whats-in-the-basement/) explores the "history
found under the floor boards" of New York City's Tenement Museum on the
Lower East Side.


Trip to Lvov (Lviv) UKRAINE on April 2020 #galicia

Daniel Horowitz
 

Hi all,

I am planning a trip to Lvov (Lviv) next April 2020 for the first time,
and would like to hear any suggestions and comments about the
city.

I have some addresses >from ancestors that lived in the area, but I
also would like to visit the archive to do some research, go to the
cemetery looking for records or burials, visit synagogues and
Jewish areas (if they are) and of course do a bit of regular tourism
with my wife, mom and 2 kids (17 & 11).

Any suggestions, comments or tips would be appreciated. If you
have recommendations of locals that can help, much better.

Feel free to answer me directly.

Best regards

Daniel Horowitz
Daniel@microtarget.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send privately any recommendations
of paid guides and/or researchers.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Trip to Lvov (Lviv) UKRAINE on April 2020 #galicia

Daniel Horowitz
 

Hi all,

I am planning a trip to Lvov (Lviv) next April 2020 for the first time,
and would like to hear any suggestions and comments about the
city.

I have some addresses >from ancestors that lived in the area, but I
also would like to visit the archive to do some research, go to the
cemetery looking for records or burials, visit synagogues and
Jewish areas (if they are) and of course do a bit of regular tourism
with my wife, mom and 2 kids (17 & 11).

Any suggestions, comments or tips would be appreciated. If you
have recommendations of locals that can help, much better.

Feel free to answer me directly.

Best regards

Daniel Horowitz
Daniel@microtarget.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send privately any recommendations
of paid guides and/or researchers.


Re: Searching for relatives

Richard Gross
 

I'm researching my husband's family from Lviv,Galicia. The earliest ancestor we have is Hersh Gross. One of the family, Samuel Gross who married Jessie Sloman in Leeds, UK, went to Brooklyn soon after the wedding where they raised three sons and a daughter. I wonder whether your Brooklyn family and our Brooklyn family were connected in any way.


VORZIMER not VORIZMER

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

CORRECTION OF TYPO

On Nov 20, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...> wrote:

I’m following the life of Bettina WORMSER,  d/o Joseph WORMSER and Sadie ANDERSON.

Bettina, b 1902, NYC wed Joseph David VORZIMER in 1923. She divorced him in Feb 1936 in Reno, Nevada.
,
They had two sons:  Benjamin (named for his paternal GF) b 1924. and James b about 1930.


The last mention I can find of these two boys is on the 1940 census.They are living with their mother at the home of their maternal GP.

The transcription lists them as Bettina BORZIR, Benjamin and James BORZIMER.

    i have Bettina’s remarriage in NYC and 1987 death in CT.   But cannot find obit or place of burial.

Does anyone know anything about mother or her two sons?

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, Arizona


Re: Help Stop USCIS Genealogy Program Fee Hikes

David Lewin
 

As I see it, RecordsNotRevenue.com is directed at US citizen.    This is an International problem, not an American one.

Please will you make a Petition place for all researchers to use

David Lewin
London


At 14:16 20/11/2019, Renée K. Carl wrote:
Building off of Jan Meisels Allen's 15 Nov post ( https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/message/1150), I have more information to share on the outrageous proposal by USCIS Genealogy Program to raise the cost of accessing documents by more than 400%. An ad hoc group of genealogists, historians, and records access advocates have compiled a summary of the issues, information on the USCIS Genealogy program, and 3 easy steps you can take to help stop this fee hike.

Visit RecordsNotRevenue.com and please take a few minutes to post your comments on the fee hikes at the Federal Rulemaking Portal (not here!). All you need to know and all the links are located at RecordsNotRevenue.com .

Equally important, please share this information with your local JGS and other genealogy groups, historians, etc. This issue is important beyond the USCIS records. If it can happen to those records, it can happen to others!

Thank you for your time and assistance!
Renee K. Carl
Washington DC


Re: Relationship question

Alan Steinfeld
 

Betty is NOT the step mother of Edgar.  For this to be true, she would have to be currently married to Allen.

Good question.

Happy Thanksgiving to all


-----Original Message-----
From: JoRose <JoRose@...>
To: main <main@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 21, 2019 7:45 pm
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Relationship question

Allen and Betty marry and have a son--Charles.
They divorce.
Allen and Daisy marry and have a son--Edgar.
[Have you noticed that the names are in alphabetical order, for clarity.]
Facts:
Allen is the father of Charles and Edgar.
Daisy is the step-mother of Charles and the mother of Edgar.
Betty is the mother of Charles.
Is Betty the step-mother of Edgar?
Why or why not?
Thanks in advance for your opinion.


Re: Jewish Gravestones Used as Cobblestones in Prague to be Returned to Old Jewish Cemetery #Czech Republic

Joan A. Baronberg
 

I read this over three times to ensure there wasn’t a typo in the date. It is shocking to think that in the 1980s, Jewish cemetery stones were used for paving secular streets.
"Evidently the pieces were removed from the 19th century cemetery for street building in the late 1980s."

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