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Searching for Pauline, Shirley and Anita YALON in the U.S. #general

No Name <janglo_cruise@...>
 

Hello,

I’ve recently obtained a death certificate for my
father’s uncle who died tragically in 1935. With the
information gleaned >from this death certificate, and
the help of a fellow genner (thanks Yehudah!), this
uncle has been found in the 1930 U.S. census. Lo and
behold this uncle was married with 2 children!

Samuel or Sam (Shmuel) YALON died in 1935 at age 33.
He lived on Van Kleff Street in Jersey City, New
Jersey. He left behind a wife named Pauline YALON age
30, and (at least) 2 girls: Shirley age 8, and Anita
age 5. In the SSDI there is a Pauline YELLIN that
matches the description which shows Pauline may have
passed away in 1992 in New York. Sam was >from Ostrow
Mazowiecka, Poland and arrived in the U.S. in 1921.
Pauline was >from Poland and also arrived in the U.S.
in 1921. They married in 1926.

If anyone may know a Shirley or Anita whose maiden
name was YALON, today aged 79 and 76 please tell me
where I may find them. I’d be very happy if I could
find out who these cousins are and make contact with
them.

Please contact me privately at:
mglasser AT netvision.net.il (replacing the AT)if you
can help.

Thank you,

Malkiel GLASSER
Jerusalem, Israel

Researching:
GLASSER, GLEZER, GLESER: Lygumai, Lithuania --> N.Y., U.S.A.
YALON, JALON, JALUN, YALUN, RUBIN, RYBIN, PIONTNICA: Ostrow
Mazowiecka, Brok, Poland --> U.S.A.
PARNAFES (STEIN), PARNESS, ZIPA: Darabani, Romania-->
Pittsburgh, U.S.A. and Israel GREENBERG, JAUKEL, GORDON,
KAISERMAN: Kiyev, Ukraine --> Pittsburgh, U.S.A.

MODERATOR NOTE: Searching list truncated at the allowed six lines.
Please note the instructions for replying.


Looking for Descendants of Ira LILLICK 1876-1967 San Francisco, CA #general

Sal & Ellen Barbieri <elsal@...>
 

Ira LILLICK graduated >from Stanford U 1897 & founded Lillick & Charles Law
firm in San Francisco 1906, now merged with Nixon - Peabody LLP. He was
curator of Hoover Institute, a think tank at Stanford & a professorship
remains named after him. (I found this on google & Soc Sec Death Index)
He was appointed Hungarian Consul by the King of Hungary in 1937 & was
appointed to Enemy Alien Advisory Board 16 Dec 1941. My brother has found
some papers relating to these appointments & would like to find a family
member to give them to. Please reply privately if you have any suggestions.
I did find address for current law firm & Hoover Institute.
Ellen Barbieri
San Diego, CA
elsal@cox.net


Re: Need Portland, Maine to Toronto, Canada Immigration Info #general

HJB <hjb@...>
 

----- Original Message -----

I have found the name of Golda Mendelovitsch >from Romania listed on the
"SS Canada" Manifest arriving at Portland Maine January of 1912. Her
final destination is listed as Toronto Canada. Assuming she travelled by
train, (Grand Trunk Railway perhaps) to the Canadian border, where do I
look for her immigration records?

Thanks for your feedback.
I didn't know anything about the Grand Trunk Railway so I googled it. >from
the information at http://collections.ic.gc.ca/cnphoto/english/gt_ang.html
it seems that Montreal would have been the initial destination. At least
it's a good place to start looking. This site
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-908.005.01-e.html will give
you the film numbers which can likely be obtained through inter-library
loan. Once you have the film it's a matter of going through them frame by
frame.

You could also search the Grosse Ille database
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-504-e.html which includes
surviving records >from the Grosse Ille quarantine station >from 1832 - 1937

Good luck with your search.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Researching: HABER - Konyushki & Zurow, Galicia, NYC;
STARK - Bobrka, Galicia, NYC; BELY - Rzeszow, Galicia;
MONDSCHEIN - Brod, Galicia;
SADOVSKI/SADOWSKY - Belchatow & Lodz, Poland, NYC;
KANET/KANNETT/KANNATT - Czyzewo, Poland, NYC


Deportations from Breslau Wroclav LIEBERMANN, KATZ #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

I am trying to establish whether two little children may have
survived World War 2.

Are there any population lists of Jews in Breslau at the start of World War 2?

I know very little

I know only that

Gabriele Ruth LIEBERMANN, born 2 Jun 1934 in Breslau

and

Denny LIEBERMANN, born 30 Sep 1939 in Dresden

were staying with their grandparents in Breslau .

I do not know on which side of their parentage LIEBERMANN or KATZ
these grandparents were

I also do not know the personal names of the grandparents.

Do you have any knowledge of lists - or where else I might ask?

Thank you

David Lewin
London


SOKOCZEWSKI #general

Avrofek <avrofek@...>
 

My sister, Gladys Hopkowitz, had a friend in 1940's Williamsburg, Brooklyn,
Marilyn (maiden name) SOKOCZEWSKI (spelling).
Can anyone help us locate her?
Please reply to me Avraham Ofek (formerly Stretch
Hopkowitz) avrofek@netvision.net.il
Shabat shalom.


Re: Foreign Consular Post Records: Registration of American Citizens #general

Stephen Denker
 

The National Archive at College Park Maryland has the original ledger copies
of the Consular Post Record: Registration of (all) American Citizens (living
in the city of the Consulate). They have them in Record Group RG 84 for
cities all over the world.

My wife and I searched the set for Havana Cuba for the years 1920 - 1935.
New documents were required every 2 years. My grandparents arrived in the US
before 1900 and were naturalized citizens. We found several critical
postings. They contain a wealth of family vital statistics, historical
information and even in some cases original photos attached to the archive.
The record helped fill in some large gaps in my understanding. One post
especially confirmed my speculation about my grandfather's birthplace (a
very small Polish town - previous records always said "Minsk") and another
gave me the complete set of names for his nephew's family. Now I can try to
trace his family.

They are fascinating snapshots!

Stephen Denker


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Pauline, Shirley and Anita YALON in the U.S. #general

No Name <janglo_cruise@...>
 

Hello,

I’ve recently obtained a death certificate for my
father’s uncle who died tragically in 1935. With the
information gleaned >from this death certificate, and
the help of a fellow genner (thanks Yehudah!), this
uncle has been found in the 1930 U.S. census. Lo and
behold this uncle was married with 2 children!

Samuel or Sam (Shmuel) YALON died in 1935 at age 33.
He lived on Van Kleff Street in Jersey City, New
Jersey. He left behind a wife named Pauline YALON age
30, and (at least) 2 girls: Shirley age 8, and Anita
age 5. In the SSDI there is a Pauline YELLIN that
matches the description which shows Pauline may have
passed away in 1992 in New York. Sam was >from Ostrow
Mazowiecka, Poland and arrived in the U.S. in 1921.
Pauline was >from Poland and also arrived in the U.S.
in 1921. They married in 1926.

If anyone may know a Shirley or Anita whose maiden
name was YALON, today aged 79 and 76 please tell me
where I may find them. I’d be very happy if I could
find out who these cousins are and make contact with
them.

Please contact me privately at:
mglasser AT netvision.net.il (replacing the AT)if you
can help.

Thank you,

Malkiel GLASSER
Jerusalem, Israel

Researching:
GLASSER, GLEZER, GLESER: Lygumai, Lithuania --> N.Y., U.S.A.
YALON, JALON, JALUN, YALUN, RUBIN, RYBIN, PIONTNICA: Ostrow
Mazowiecka, Brok, Poland --> U.S.A.
PARNAFES (STEIN), PARNESS, ZIPA: Darabani, Romania-->
Pittsburgh, U.S.A. and Israel GREENBERG, JAUKEL, GORDON,
KAISERMAN: Kiyev, Ukraine --> Pittsburgh, U.S.A.

MODERATOR NOTE: Searching list truncated at the allowed six lines.
Please note the instructions for replying.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Descendants of Ira LILLICK 1876-1967 San Francisco, CA #general

Sal & Ellen Barbieri <elsal@...>
 

Ira LILLICK graduated >from Stanford U 1897 & founded Lillick & Charles Law
firm in San Francisco 1906, now merged with Nixon - Peabody LLP. He was
curator of Hoover Institute, a think tank at Stanford & a professorship
remains named after him. (I found this on google & Soc Sec Death Index)
He was appointed Hungarian Consul by the King of Hungary in 1937 & was
appointed to Enemy Alien Advisory Board 16 Dec 1941. My brother has found
some papers relating to these appointments & would like to find a family
member to give them to. Please reply privately if you have any suggestions.
I did find address for current law firm & Hoover Institute.
Ellen Barbieri
San Diego, CA
elsal@cox.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need Portland, Maine to Toronto, Canada Immigration Info #general

HJB <hjb@...>
 

----- Original Message -----

I have found the name of Golda Mendelovitsch >from Romania listed on the
"SS Canada" Manifest arriving at Portland Maine January of 1912. Her
final destination is listed as Toronto Canada. Assuming she travelled by
train, (Grand Trunk Railway perhaps) to the Canadian border, where do I
look for her immigration records?

Thanks for your feedback.
I didn't know anything about the Grand Trunk Railway so I googled it. >from
the information at http://collections.ic.gc.ca/cnphoto/english/gt_ang.html
it seems that Montreal would have been the initial destination. At least
it's a good place to start looking. This site
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-908.005.01-e.html will give
you the film numbers which can likely be obtained through inter-library
loan. Once you have the film it's a matter of going through them frame by
frame.

You could also search the Grosse Ille database
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-504-e.html which includes
surviving records >from the Grosse Ille quarantine station >from 1832 - 1937

Good luck with your search.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Researching: HABER - Konyushki & Zurow, Galicia, NYC;
STARK - Bobrka, Galicia, NYC; BELY - Rzeszow, Galicia;
MONDSCHEIN - Brod, Galicia;
SADOVSKI/SADOWSKY - Belchatow & Lodz, Poland, NYC;
KANET/KANNETT/KANNATT - Czyzewo, Poland, NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Deportations from Breslau Wroclav LIEBERMANN, KATZ #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

I am trying to establish whether two little children may have
survived World War 2.

Are there any population lists of Jews in Breslau at the start of World War 2?

I know very little

I know only that

Gabriele Ruth LIEBERMANN, born 2 Jun 1934 in Breslau

and

Denny LIEBERMANN, born 30 Sep 1939 in Dresden

were staying with their grandparents in Breslau .

I do not know on which side of their parentage LIEBERMANN or KATZ
these grandparents were

I also do not know the personal names of the grandparents.

Do you have any knowledge of lists - or where else I might ask?

Thank you

David Lewin
London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SOKOCZEWSKI #general

Avrofek <avrofek@...>
 

My sister, Gladys Hopkowitz, had a friend in 1940's Williamsburg, Brooklyn,
Marilyn (maiden name) SOKOCZEWSKI (spelling).
Can anyone help us locate her?
Please reply to me Avraham Ofek (formerly Stretch
Hopkowitz) avrofek@netvision.net.il
Shabat shalom.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Foreign Consular Post Records: Registration of American Citizens #general

Stephen Denker
 

The National Archive at College Park Maryland has the original ledger copies
of the Consular Post Record: Registration of (all) American Citizens (living
in the city of the Consulate). They have them in Record Group RG 84 for
cities all over the world.

My wife and I searched the set for Havana Cuba for the years 1920 - 1935.
New documents were required every 2 years. My grandparents arrived in the US
before 1900 and were naturalized citizens. We found several critical
postings. They contain a wealth of family vital statistics, historical
information and even in some cases original photos attached to the archive.
The record helped fill in some large gaps in my understanding. One post
especially confirmed my speculation about my grandfather's birthplace (a
very small Polish town - previous records always said "Minsk") and another
gave me the complete set of names for his nephew's family. Now I can try to
trace his family.

They are fascinating snapshots!

Stephen Denker


Gesher Galicia at the 2006-IAJGS Conference #poland

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Two highlights for Galitzianers at this year’s IAJGS conference will be
Gesher Galicia’s luncheon and annual SIG meeting, where we share new
information, update research and plan for the future. Because Gesher Galicia
exists primarily in cyber-space--and most of our communication is done via
e-mail or online discussion groups--we relish the opportunity to meet
face-to-face with the people we’ve gotten to know on the internet.

Here are details on these events:

Gesher Galicia’s SIG Meeting - Monday, August 14th - 3:15PM – 4:00PM

PROGRAM & SPEAKERS

Steering committee members will provide updates on “The Galitzianer,” the GG
website, shtellink pages, town/region research groups, our research grant
program, and the “Gesher Galicia Family Finder.” Guest speakers will also
offer short previews of conference programs of interest to Galitzianers:

-Mark Halpern will elaborate on the new JRI-Poland initiatives and indexing
projects.

-Joyce Field will update yizkor book projects for Galician towns

-Logan Kleinwaks will preview his talk on searching Polish (Galician)
pre-WWII business, address, and telephone directories that have been
digitized and made available online and new databases added to his website.

-Steve Lasky will highlight Galician topics on his multimedia website: The
Museum of Family History (http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com) including
the cemetery project, town and family photographs, documents, vintage
postcards, maps, and his Krakow immigration list.

-Gayle Schlissel Riley will also preview her “Polish Magnate Landowner
Records” talk, explaining why these records can be a valuable tool in your
research.

-A focus on using maps in your research to find elusive shtetls or document
where your ancestors lived. Ukrainian researcher, Alex Dunai, will also
present examples of cadastral maps >from the Lviv archives, and we’ll also
have samples of the detailed map series Specialkarte der k.u.k.
österreichisch-ungarischen Monarchie im Mafsstabe 1:75000 der Nature
(published 1877 - 1914) which is available at the New York Public Library
map room for photocopying.

-GG member, John Diener will present a short Power Point talk on his 2005
trip to Poland and Ukraine, where he visited the new Belzec (Poland)
Memorial—the site of one of the most notorious death camps in Eastern
Poland, where over 500,000 Galitzianers were murdered. He’ll also discuss
the emotional aspect of his journey to his ancestral shtetls in the Tarnopol
(Ternopil), Ukraine district.

Gesher Galicia is also in the process of restructuring, and will be seeking
new steering committee members interested in taking on specific roles in our
organization. Details will be provided at the end of the meeting, along
with an opportunity for questions and answers on all the topics we’ve
covered.

GESHER GALICIA LUNCHEON - Monday, August 14th, 12:30PM - 1:45PM

Author Daniel Mendelsohn will discuss his upcoming book: "The Lost: The
Search for Six of Six Million."

Decades after WWII, spurred by the discovery of a cache of desperate letters
written to his grandfather in 1939, Mendelsohn embarked on a hunt for the
remaining eyewitnesses to his relatives' fates in Bolechow, Ukraine. With
Alex Dunai as his guide, he sought to learn the truth about the lives of
this vanished family -- an investigation into the meaning of memory, family
and history. The focus of his talk will be the "writer's angle" in
genealogical research.

Tickets to this luncheon ($30) must be purchased by the August 1st deadline!
They will not be for sale at the conference or after that date. You can
do this on the conference website/registration section:

http://www.jgsny2006.org/

If you have not already registered for the conference...remember that you
can register for just one day, at the price of $75, if you can't attend the
entire week. Although Galician-related presentations are scattered
throughout the week, Monday, August 14th specifically features this
informative SIG meeting and luncheon. Do you have friends whose ancestors
hail >from Galicia--but who've never been involved with genealogy before? If
you think they might be inspired by these two events.....invite them to
accompany you for the day!

We look forward to meeting you in person this summer.

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JRI Poland #Poland Gesher Galicia at the 2006-IAJGS Conference #poland

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Two highlights for Galitzianers at this year’s IAJGS conference will be
Gesher Galicia’s luncheon and annual SIG meeting, where we share new
information, update research and plan for the future. Because Gesher Galicia
exists primarily in cyber-space--and most of our communication is done via
e-mail or online discussion groups--we relish the opportunity to meet
face-to-face with the people we’ve gotten to know on the internet.

Here are details on these events:

Gesher Galicia’s SIG Meeting - Monday, August 14th - 3:15PM – 4:00PM

PROGRAM & SPEAKERS

Steering committee members will provide updates on “The Galitzianer,” the GG
website, shtellink pages, town/region research groups, our research grant
program, and the “Gesher Galicia Family Finder.” Guest speakers will also
offer short previews of conference programs of interest to Galitzianers:

-Mark Halpern will elaborate on the new JRI-Poland initiatives and indexing
projects.

-Joyce Field will update yizkor book projects for Galician towns

-Logan Kleinwaks will preview his talk on searching Polish (Galician)
pre-WWII business, address, and telephone directories that have been
digitized and made available online and new databases added to his website.

-Steve Lasky will highlight Galician topics on his multimedia website: The
Museum of Family History (http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com) including
the cemetery project, town and family photographs, documents, vintage
postcards, maps, and his Krakow immigration list.

-Gayle Schlissel Riley will also preview her “Polish Magnate Landowner
Records” talk, explaining why these records can be a valuable tool in your
research.

-A focus on using maps in your research to find elusive shtetls or document
where your ancestors lived. Ukrainian researcher, Alex Dunai, will also
present examples of cadastral maps >from the Lviv archives, and we’ll also
have samples of the detailed map series Specialkarte der k.u.k.
österreichisch-ungarischen Monarchie im Mafsstabe 1:75000 der Nature
(published 1877 - 1914) which is available at the New York Public Library
map room for photocopying.

-GG member, John Diener will present a short Power Point talk on his 2005
trip to Poland and Ukraine, where he visited the new Belzec (Poland)
Memorial—the site of one of the most notorious death camps in Eastern
Poland, where over 500,000 Galitzianers were murdered. He’ll also discuss
the emotional aspect of his journey to his ancestral shtetls in the Tarnopol
(Ternopil), Ukraine district.

Gesher Galicia is also in the process of restructuring, and will be seeking
new steering committee members interested in taking on specific roles in our
organization. Details will be provided at the end of the meeting, along
with an opportunity for questions and answers on all the topics we’ve
covered.

GESHER GALICIA LUNCHEON - Monday, August 14th, 12:30PM - 1:45PM

Author Daniel Mendelsohn will discuss his upcoming book: "The Lost: The
Search for Six of Six Million."

Decades after WWII, spurred by the discovery of a cache of desperate letters
written to his grandfather in 1939, Mendelsohn embarked on a hunt for the
remaining eyewitnesses to his relatives' fates in Bolechow, Ukraine. With
Alex Dunai as his guide, he sought to learn the truth about the lives of
this vanished family -- an investigation into the meaning of memory, family
and history. The focus of his talk will be the "writer's angle" in
genealogical research.

Tickets to this luncheon ($30) must be purchased by the August 1st deadline!
They will not be for sale at the conference or after that date. You can
do this on the conference website/registration section:

http://www.jgsny2006.org/

If you have not already registered for the conference...remember that you
can register for just one day, at the price of $75, if you can't attend the
entire week. Although Galician-related presentations are scattered
throughout the week, Monday, August 14th specifically features this
informative SIG meeting and luncheon. Do you have friends whose ancestors
hail >from Galicia--but who've never been involved with genealogy before? If
you think they might be inspired by these two events.....invite them to
accompany you for the day!

We look forward to meeting you in person this summer.

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Hasidim among your ancestors? #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

If you've found Hasidim among your ancestors, how much do you know about
their practices?

Why did Polish Jews turn to Hasidim, and how did these ideas sweep like
wildfire through Jewish society?

Glenn Dynner's book , "Men of Silk " is an in-depth exploration of this
revolutionary impact on Polish Jewry in the 19th century. He draws on
newly-discovered Polish archival sources and Hasidic texts to describe
the leaders as successful populists who deftly combined mysticism with a
pragmatic approach to politics and business. Dynner's work also looks at
the full range of Hasidic followers, >from the downtrodden of
the shtetls to the well-to-do of Warsaw.

This 396 page book can provide a helpful context for your family's own
story. If you're exploring the genealogy of 19th-century Poland, you'll
find it useful, and it will be especially interesting if your family has
Hasidic predecessors. Meticulously researched, it includes sources and
notes for anyone who wants to investigate further and most importantly,
broaden their knowledge about Hasidim and their influence.

"Men of Silk" (product code OUP201) is available now at $65 plus S&H
from the JewishGenMall. http://www.jewishgenmall.org
Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects


JRI Poland #Poland Hasidim among your ancestors? #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

If you've found Hasidim among your ancestors, how much do you know about
their practices?

Why did Polish Jews turn to Hasidim, and how did these ideas sweep like
wildfire through Jewish society?

Glenn Dynner's book , "Men of Silk " is an in-depth exploration of this
revolutionary impact on Polish Jewry in the 19th century. He draws on
newly-discovered Polish archival sources and Hasidic texts to describe
the leaders as successful populists who deftly combined mysticism with a
pragmatic approach to politics and business. Dynner's work also looks at
the full range of Hasidic followers, >from the downtrodden of
the shtetls to the well-to-do of Warsaw.

This 396 page book can provide a helpful context for your family's own
story. If you're exploring the genealogy of 19th-century Poland, you'll
find it useful, and it will be especially interesting if your family has
Hasidic predecessors. Meticulously researched, it includes sources and
notes for anyone who wants to investigate further and most importantly,
broaden their knowledge about Hasidim and their influence.

"Men of Silk" (product code OUP201) is available now at $65 plus S&H
from the JewishGenMall. http://www.jewishgenmall.org
Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects


Hasidim among your ancestors? #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners,

If you've found Hasidim among your ancestors, how much do you know about
their practices?

Why did Polish Jews turn to Hasidim, and how did these ideas sweep like
wildfire through Jewish society?

Glenn Dynner's book , "Men of Silk " is an in-depth exploration of this
revolutionary impact on Polish Jewry in the 19th century. He draws on
newly-discovered Polish archival sources and Hasidic texts to describe
the leaders as successful populists who deftly combined mysticism with a
pragmatic approach to politics and business. Dynner's work also looks at
the full range of Hasidic followers, >from the downtrodden of
the shtetls to the well-to-do of Warsaw.

This 396 page book can provide a helpful context for your family's own
story. If you're exploring the genealogy of 19th-century Poland, you'll
find it useful, and it will be especially interesting if your family has
Hasidic predecessors. Meticulously researched, it includes sources and
notes for anyone who wants to investigate further and most importantly,
broaden their knowledge about Hasidim and their influence.

"Men of Silk" (product code OUP201) is available now at $65 plus S&H
from the JewishGenMall. http://www.jewishgenmall.org

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Hasidim among your ancestors? #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners,

If you've found Hasidim among your ancestors, how much do you know about
their practices?

Why did Polish Jews turn to Hasidim, and how did these ideas sweep like
wildfire through Jewish society?

Glenn Dynner's book , "Men of Silk " is an in-depth exploration of this
revolutionary impact on Polish Jewry in the 19th century. He draws on
newly-discovered Polish archival sources and Hasidic texts to describe
the leaders as successful populists who deftly combined mysticism with a
pragmatic approach to politics and business. Dynner's work also looks at
the full range of Hasidic followers, >from the downtrodden of
the shtetls to the well-to-do of Warsaw.

This 396 page book can provide a helpful context for your family's own
story. If you're exploring the genealogy of 19th-century Poland, you'll
find it useful, and it will be especially interesting if your family has
Hasidic predecessors. Meticulously researched, it includes sources and
notes for anyone who wants to investigate further and most importantly,
broaden their knowledge about Hasidim and their influence.

"Men of Silk" (product code OUP201) is available now at $65 plus S&H
from the JewishGenMall. http://www.jewishgenmall.org

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects


Re: FW: Dutch customs, language and Grimslech #unitedkingdom

anita <anita.benson@...>
 

The different customs of waiting between eating meaty foods and milky is an
interesting one. I remember going to a series of lectures on Kashrut issues
and this very same question came up, the Rabbi suggested that English,
perhaps German & Dutch Jews might have traditionally had a milk based drink
at 11 the term elevenses and the English Jews would have certainly adopted
the English custom of afternoon tea at 4 taken with milk. I remember
attending weddings kosher ( United Synagogue) where tea & dairy were served
at the Buffet later on in the evening. Of course now the community has
turned to the stricter more eastern European custom of waiting six hours
between meat and milk we have a milk substitute served 3 hours later after
the dinner.



Shabbat Shalom

Anita Benson
Hendon London


Can any one elaborate on
the Dutch minhag of only keeping one hour between meat and milk? I know the
halachic source. However, it seemed in England a large number of the
Anglo-Jewry communities kept three hours and I wonder where this minhag
originated.
Six hours is the normally accepted time between meat and milk.
Did this serve to differentiate between the Sefardim and the Askenazim who
came into England >from Holland?

Noach miTelshestone
Kiryat Telshestone
D N Harei Yehudah
Israel


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom RE: FW: Dutch customs, language and Grimslech #unitedkingdom

anita <anita.benson@...>
 

The different customs of waiting between eating meaty foods and milky is an
interesting one. I remember going to a series of lectures on Kashrut issues
and this very same question came up, the Rabbi suggested that English,
perhaps German & Dutch Jews might have traditionally had a milk based drink
at 11 the term elevenses and the English Jews would have certainly adopted
the English custom of afternoon tea at 4 taken with milk. I remember
attending weddings kosher ( United Synagogue) where tea & dairy were served
at the Buffet later on in the evening. Of course now the community has
turned to the stricter more eastern European custom of waiting six hours
between meat and milk we have a milk substitute served 3 hours later after
the dinner.



Shabbat Shalom

Anita Benson
Hendon London


Can any one elaborate on
the Dutch minhag of only keeping one hour between meat and milk? I know the
halachic source. However, it seemed in England a large number of the
Anglo-Jewry communities kept three hours and I wonder where this minhag
originated.
Six hours is the normally accepted time between meat and milk.
Did this serve to differentiate between the Sefardim and the Askenazim who
came into England >from Holland?

Noach miTelshestone
Kiryat Telshestone
D N Harei Yehudah
Israel