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Re: KRATZER family line #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Kellie Ann:

Do you have any reason to believe that these people were Jewish at any
time? Their given names do not suggest that they were Jewish when the
records you cite were created. "Johann" would have been extremely rare;
moreover, Ashkenazic Jews did not name sons after living fathers,
grandfathers, etc.

On top of that, in the early part of the 18thC, most Jews in Germany did
not use hereditary surnames. To be sure, those in cities often used
them, though not as strictly as we do today; and the name FUCHS was
known very early on in Frankfurt/Main. Of course, the vast majority of
Germans named FUCHS was not Jewish either. KRATZER does not appear at
all in Lars Menk's dictionary of German-Jewish surnames, and KRATZ only
appears rarely among Jews.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG

Kellie Ann Peterson wrote:

I am looking for information on Johan Philip KRATZER. He was born in
Germany 1695. Immigrated to USA Sept 10, 1737on the Snow Molly and
arrived in Philadelphia, PA. Son's name is Johan Heinrich KRATZER born
15 JAN 1718/1719 in Germany. Johan HEINRICK's wife is reported to be
Elizabeth/Elisabetha FUCHS. she was born 22 MAR 1728 in Spall, Bad
Kreuznach, Rhein,Pfalz, GER. any information would be helpful. It is
possible that all of these people converted to Lutheranism at some point.


German SIG #Germany Re: KRATZER family line #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Kellie Ann:

Do you have any reason to believe that these people were Jewish at any
time? Their given names do not suggest that they were Jewish when the
records you cite were created. "Johann" would have been extremely rare;
moreover, Ashkenazic Jews did not name sons after living fathers,
grandfathers, etc.

On top of that, in the early part of the 18thC, most Jews in Germany did
not use hereditary surnames. To be sure, those in cities often used
them, though not as strictly as we do today; and the name FUCHS was
known very early on in Frankfurt/Main. Of course, the vast majority of
Germans named FUCHS was not Jewish either. KRATZER does not appear at
all in Lars Menk's dictionary of German-Jewish surnames, and KRATZ only
appears rarely among Jews.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG

Kellie Ann Peterson wrote:

I am looking for information on Johan Philip KRATZER. He was born in
Germany 1695. Immigrated to USA Sept 10, 1737on the Snow Molly and
arrived in Philadelphia, PA. Son's name is Johan Heinrich KRATZER born
15 JAN 1718/1719 in Germany. Johan HEINRICK's wife is reported to be
Elizabeth/Elisabetha FUCHS. she was born 22 MAR 1728 in Spall, Bad
Kreuznach, Rhein,Pfalz, GER. any information would be helpful. It is
possible that all of these people converted to Lutheranism at some point.


FW: HENRI & ZINO DAVIDOFF #ukraine

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

Henri DAVIDOFF/DAVYDOVA was a tobacco merchant in
Podil, Kiev. His son, Zino/Zinovy/Zinoviem was born
in 1906. There were also other children. In 1911, the
family left for Geneva, Switzerland, where Henri opened
a tobacco shop at 1 Rue de Rive. Zino became a tobacco
merchant as well as a perfumer, and was the creator of the
famous Cuban Davidoff cigar. Zino passed away in
1994, and is buried at the Cimetiere des Rois in
Geneva.
I am seeking information about Henri's background.
There may also be links to RABINOVITCH and
OGIN/OGINSKY.

Many thanks
Naomi Ogin a1steve@...
Brisbane

Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN,
DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG,
GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS,
LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF,
RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE,
TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine FW: HENRI & ZINO DAVIDOFF #ukraine

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

Henri DAVIDOFF/DAVYDOVA was a tobacco merchant in
Podil, Kiev. His son, Zino/Zinovy/Zinoviem was born
in 1906. There were also other children. In 1911, the
family left for Geneva, Switzerland, where Henri opened
a tobacco shop at 1 Rue de Rive. Zino became a tobacco
merchant as well as a perfumer, and was the creator of the
famous Cuban Davidoff cigar. Zino passed away in
1994, and is buried at the Cimetiere des Rois in
Geneva.
I am seeking information about Henri's background.
There may also be links to RABINOVITCH and
OGIN/OGINSKY.

Many thanks
Naomi Ogin a1steve@...
Brisbane

Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN,
DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG,
GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS,
LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF,
RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE,
TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON


Re: Female "circumcision" #unitedkingdom

Wegner, Peter
 

A recent contributor wrote:
"All Jewish boys, with rare exceptions, are circumcised.
Muslim boys (and girls) are usually circumcised"

It is important to note that unlike Muslim boys, the girls are not automatically subjected to circumcision. Neither male nor male circumcision is mentioned in the Qur'an and neither is required by Shari'a law. In the case of boys, the practice rests purely on oral "hadith" accounts of Abraham circumcising his son Ishmael (traditionally perceived as the ancestor of the Arab people) as recorded in Gen. 17:25.

Female genital cutting is an ancient cultural phenomenon in many African (and some non-African) countries. The fact that it pre-dated by centuries the arrival of Islam in those countries is what makes it so hard to stamp out. Actually, the secular law codes of some Muslim countries (e.g. Egypt) prohibit female circumcision; but even so, it does persist in places where it was firmly entrenched long before Islam.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.


JGS Oregon: September 16th Monthly Program Meeting #ukraine

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

JGS of Oregon Monthly Program Meeting:
Tuesday September 16, 2008

Two Part Program, 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm:
Open Discussion led by JGSO Board
about "Genealogy Successes and Successful Techniques"
plus
"Beshert", a short film by Rick Kolinksky illustrating
his discoveries on a visit to his ancestral villages in Ukraine

Place: Ahavath Achim Synagogue
3225 SW Barbur Blvd
Portland, Oregon
Doors open at 6:45 pm.

For more information, please contact
Barbara Hershey: Barbara.Hershey@...,
or visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs
<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eorjgs>.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Female "circumcision" #unitedkingdom

Wegner, Peter
 

A recent contributor wrote:
"All Jewish boys, with rare exceptions, are circumcised.
Muslim boys (and girls) are usually circumcised"

It is important to note that unlike Muslim boys, the girls are not automatically subjected to circumcision. Neither male nor male circumcision is mentioned in the Qur'an and neither is required by Shari'a law. In the case of boys, the practice rests purely on oral "hadith" accounts of Abraham circumcising his son Ishmael (traditionally perceived as the ancestor of the Arab people) as recorded in Gen. 17:25.

Female genital cutting is an ancient cultural phenomenon in many African (and some non-African) countries. The fact that it pre-dated by centuries the arrival of Islam in those countries is what makes it so hard to stamp out. Actually, the secular law codes of some Muslim countries (e.g. Egypt) prohibit female circumcision; but even so, it does persist in places where it was firmly entrenched long before Islam.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine JGS Oregon: September 16th Monthly Program Meeting #ukraine

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

JGS of Oregon Monthly Program Meeting:
Tuesday September 16, 2008

Two Part Program, 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm:
Open Discussion led by JGSO Board
about "Genealogy Successes and Successful Techniques"
plus
"Beshert", a short film by Rick Kolinksky illustrating
his discoveries on a visit to his ancestral villages in Ukraine

Place: Ahavath Achim Synagogue
3225 SW Barbur Blvd
Portland, Oregon
Doors open at 6:45 pm.

For more information, please contact
Barbara Hershey: Barbara.Hershey@...,
or visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs
<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eorjgs>.


ShtetLinks Project Report for August 2008 - Correction #unitedkingdom

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

The correct URLs for the following new ShtetLinks webpages are:

Chabanivka (Bacsava, Bacovo, Batschive), Ukraine
Created by Marshall Katz
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Chabanivka/
~~~~~

Kolonja Izaaka (Kolonia Isaaka, Isakova), Belarus
Created by Irwin Keller
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolonja/home.html

Susana Leistner Bloch, JewishGen VP, ShtetLinks


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom ShtetLinks Project Report for August 2008 - Correction #unitedkingdom

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

The correct URLs for the following new ShtetLinks webpages are:

Chabanivka (Bacsava, Bacovo, Batschive), Ukraine
Created by Marshall Katz
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Chabanivka/
~~~~~

Kolonja Izaaka (Kolonia Isaaka, Isakova), Belarus
Created by Irwin Keller
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolonja/home.html

Susana Leistner Bloch, JewishGen VP, ShtetLinks


Searching for Information on Rebecca Moss-Keller #unitedkingdom

Jeni ArmandezZiara <jeni.armandez@...>
 

Hello! I am searching for information on my grandmother, Rebecca Keller (nee MOSCOVITCH and anglicized to MOSS). Granny came to London (Whitechapel) around 1918 and later married Theodore Fairfield Keller. They had four children: Stella Rachel, David, Victor and my mum, Judith. In the early 1940's, the family moved to Norwich.

I know where Granny was born and where she is buried in Norwich, as well as the Keller family side. What I am looking for is probably some information >from the Whitechapel time (1918-1935). She had two sisters, Brenda and Renee (all deceased). I believe Brenda had a daughter, Jackie who still lives in England today. I believe the great-grandparents would be buried in London as mum recalls visiting them when she was little. My other great-grandparents are buried at Edmonton Cem. Does anyone know if it is possible to track? I would like to find out the names of my grandmother's parents for further research about her family in Rumania, as well as pay respect when I visit in a few months.

Thanks in advance for your help!
Jeni Armandez
Los Angeles, CA

Searching for: MOSCOVITCH, KELLER, EITIG, SCHONFELD, DINE, ALTIT, GRINBERG, HENSCHEL AND ARNDT.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Searching for Information on Rebecca Moss-Keller #unitedkingdom

Jeni ArmandezZiara <jeni.armandez@...>
 

Hello! I am searching for information on my grandmother, Rebecca Keller (nee MOSCOVITCH and anglicized to MOSS). Granny came to London (Whitechapel) around 1918 and later married Theodore Fairfield Keller. They had four children: Stella Rachel, David, Victor and my mum, Judith. In the early 1940's, the family moved to Norwich.

I know where Granny was born and where she is buried in Norwich, as well as the Keller family side. What I am looking for is probably some information >from the Whitechapel time (1918-1935). She had two sisters, Brenda and Renee (all deceased). I believe Brenda had a daughter, Jackie who still lives in England today. I believe the great-grandparents would be buried in London as mum recalls visiting them when she was little. My other great-grandparents are buried at Edmonton Cem. Does anyone know if it is possible to track? I would like to find out the names of my grandmother's parents for further research about her family in Rumania, as well as pay respect when I visit in a few months.

Thanks in advance for your help!
Jeni Armandez
Los Angeles, CA

Searching for: MOSCOVITCH, KELLER, EITIG, SCHONFELD, DINE, ALTIT, GRINBERG, HENSCHEL AND ARNDT.


Pinnye Tzipershteyn z"l married to Khaika nee Vurgait z"l #ukraine

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

I'm trying to finally reach a new evidence on my mother's family
research, TZIPERSHTEYN'S >from Bessarabia, old Romania/Moldova now
Ukraine (cities they might have lived in: Lipcani/Lipkany,
Secureni/Sokiryany, Kitay Gorod). This week I came across a 2 Yad
Vashem testimonial pages that I did already analyzed in the past, but
just didn't connect the facts as I did this time. I think the chances
these pages refer to my mother's great uncle are 95%. These pages give
the following information:

Pinnye Tzipershteyn, married to Khaika nee Vurgait, a couple that
lived in Lipcani - both deceased in the Shoa.
They had one daughter (if this Pinnye is the one I think he is, then
they might have had 3, according to my family tree) called Brani
Tzipershteyn z"l - born in Lipcani who also lost her life in the
Holocaust.

Yesterday I started my quest on doing everything I can to follow this
track till the end, I searched the israeli phone directory for the
surname of the submitter of the testimonial page, found only one
match, called the person, figured out it wasn't the one recorded in
the phone directory, was her son. He gave me the telephone of her
mother, who I called today, to find out that she's the daughter of the
submitter, who is already deceased, and, unfortunately, she doesn't
have any information herself to add. She's going to give me phone
numbers of relatives who, with luck, may help me with something.

In the meantime, I decided to post this message in the hope someone
else did ever hear about one of these 2 families, >from this locations
or surroundings. These Vurgaits seem to have ended in Israel. I know
part of my Tzipershteyns ended in US, I just haven't been able to
locate them yet. I know Pinnye's brother, Joseph z"l, became
Zipperstein and lived in Milwaukee. Another Pinnye's child, David,
also made it to US, and became David Stein z"l, having lived in Los
Angeles.

Please reply back in case you have any piece of information to add.
Anything is relevant.

Thank you in advance,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Raanana
Israel

Seeking:

Poland: KANO [Zychlin, Wiskitki, Granica, Gniewoszow], SOCHACZEWSKI
[Lodz], SZCZUCZYNER/SZCECINER [Wyszogrod], SKROBEK, MANDELBAUM,
AJZENBERG, HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa] Moldova: GIVERTS and FRAIMAN
[Kishinev(Chisinau), Kalarash(Calarasi)] Ukraine: ROZMARIN, SCHECHTMAN
[Sokiryany(Secureni)], BERENSHTEYN [Sokiryany, Briceva], TZIPERSHTEYN
[Kitay Gorod], KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG, VAISENBERG, BARAFF [Romankivsty]


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Pinnye Tzipershteyn z"l married to Khaika nee Vurgait z"l #ukraine

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

I'm trying to finally reach a new evidence on my mother's family
research, TZIPERSHTEYN'S >from Bessarabia, old Romania/Moldova now
Ukraine (cities they might have lived in: Lipcani/Lipkany,
Secureni/Sokiryany, Kitay Gorod). This week I came across a 2 Yad
Vashem testimonial pages that I did already analyzed in the past, but
just didn't connect the facts as I did this time. I think the chances
these pages refer to my mother's great uncle are 95%. These pages give
the following information:

Pinnye Tzipershteyn, married to Khaika nee Vurgait, a couple that
lived in Lipcani - both deceased in the Shoa.
They had one daughter (if this Pinnye is the one I think he is, then
they might have had 3, according to my family tree) called Brani
Tzipershteyn z"l - born in Lipcani who also lost her life in the
Holocaust.

Yesterday I started my quest on doing everything I can to follow this
track till the end, I searched the israeli phone directory for the
surname of the submitter of the testimonial page, found only one
match, called the person, figured out it wasn't the one recorded in
the phone directory, was her son. He gave me the telephone of her
mother, who I called today, to find out that she's the daughter of the
submitter, who is already deceased, and, unfortunately, she doesn't
have any information herself to add. She's going to give me phone
numbers of relatives who, with luck, may help me with something.

In the meantime, I decided to post this message in the hope someone
else did ever hear about one of these 2 families, >from this locations
or surroundings. These Vurgaits seem to have ended in Israel. I know
part of my Tzipershteyns ended in US, I just haven't been able to
locate them yet. I know Pinnye's brother, Joseph z"l, became
Zipperstein and lived in Milwaukee. Another Pinnye's child, David,
also made it to US, and became David Stein z"l, having lived in Los
Angeles.

Please reply back in case you have any piece of information to add.
Anything is relevant.

Thank you in advance,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Raanana
Israel

Seeking:

Poland: KANO [Zychlin, Wiskitki, Granica, Gniewoszow], SOCHACZEWSKI
[Lodz], SZCZUCZYNER/SZCECINER [Wyszogrod], SKROBEK, MANDELBAUM,
AJZENBERG, HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa] Moldova: GIVERTS and FRAIMAN
[Kishinev(Chisinau), Kalarash(Calarasi)] Ukraine: ROZMARIN, SCHECHTMAN
[Sokiryany(Secureni)], BERENSHTEYN [Sokiryany, Briceva], TZIPERSHTEYN
[Kitay Gorod], KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG, VAISENBERG, BARAFF [Romankivsty]


Czech Katastral Maps #austria-czech

Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...>
 

A while ago I was enquiring about location of maps giving the Katastral
house numbers.

I've just come across the webpages that give you some of this
information for the present day.

I've only looked at Prague so far which gives you maps at 1:500 with the
required c.p. numbers and textual information on owners.

The map is here:
http://nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/Mapa.aspx?typ=CR&id=0

The search page is here:
http://nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/VyberBudovu.aspx?typ=budova

Under "Obec" , select your town.

I left "Typ budovy" at its default.

Then under "Budova", and Cast obce select the district, e.g I was
looking for a house in Prague_Vinohrady.

Under "Cislo Budovy", enter the c.p. house number
I was looking for house 434, which according to the death certificate
of my great-grandfather was where he died in 1926. So I entered 434 and
pressed "Vyhledat"

This leads to details of the land parcel/house, including the current
street name and number ( in this case Celakovskeho Sady 8) and a
hyperlink to the map, labelled "Zobrazeni v mape"

The site is totally in Czech, so hopefully Czech speakers can explain
more fully

Regards

Peter Lowe
Hertford, England


about retrieving (modest) assets #austria-czech

Jean Lowenstamm <jean.lowenstamm@...>
 

Hello,

I am writing in the hope that someone in the group will be able to advise me.
One of my relatives left Vienna on a Kindertransport after the Nazis took over.
He later settled in the US, and passed away last year. The Austrian government
paid him a modest compensation for the loss of his family and the money has
been deposited in a bank account with an Austrian bank in Vienna. Before he
died, my relative left instructions with his children as to how that money
should be used. Because I am geographically closer to Vienna and often go there
on business, I have agreed to help them retrieve those assets.

The bank claims that a) the intervention of a court is necessary before the
money can be released to my relative's heirs, and b) that legal proceedings
have to be handled by a lawyer.

I imagine others on the list have had similar experiences, and I would be
grateful if someone can tell me whether the bank is correct in claiming the
above. Please reply privately.

Thanks very much,

Jean Lowenstamm
Paris


Confusing tombstone inscriptions in Vienna #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

With reference to this correspondence, please look at this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/668227490/

Click on "all sizes" above the picture. My great-aunt, Hermine
SCHIFFMANN {nee KOHN} obviously had her name and date of birth
engraved on the tombstone after her husband died, in preparation
for her death - there was no death date. In the event, she was
deported and I had to enter the sad death details. There was also
room to add details of my gt-aunt, Elsa KERNER [was KOHN].

I am not sure how often this occurred. I have never seen any other
tombstones with just the name and birth date and the death date
left blank. That is how I found this tombstone.

Celia Male, London U.K.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Czech Katastral Maps #austria-czech

Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...>
 

A while ago I was enquiring about location of maps giving the Katastral
house numbers.

I've just come across the webpages that give you some of this
information for the present day.

I've only looked at Prague so far which gives you maps at 1:500 with the
required c.p. numbers and textual information on owners.

The map is here:
http://nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/Mapa.aspx?typ=CR&id=0

The search page is here:
http://nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/VyberBudovu.aspx?typ=budova

Under "Obec" , select your town.

I left "Typ budovy" at its default.

Then under "Budova", and Cast obce select the district, e.g I was
looking for a house in Prague_Vinohrady.

Under "Cislo Budovy", enter the c.p. house number
I was looking for house 434, which according to the death certificate
of my great-grandfather was where he died in 1926. So I entered 434 and
pressed "Vyhledat"

This leads to details of the land parcel/house, including the current
street name and number ( in this case Celakovskeho Sady 8) and a
hyperlink to the map, labelled "Zobrazeni v mape"

The site is totally in Czech, so hopefully Czech speakers can explain
more fully

Regards

Peter Lowe
Hertford, England


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech about retrieving (modest) assets #austria-czech

Jean Lowenstamm <jean.lowenstamm@...>
 

Hello,

I am writing in the hope that someone in the group will be able to advise me.
One of my relatives left Vienna on a Kindertransport after the Nazis took over.
He later settled in the US, and passed away last year. The Austrian government
paid him a modest compensation for the loss of his family and the money has
been deposited in a bank account with an Austrian bank in Vienna. Before he
died, my relative left instructions with his children as to how that money
should be used. Because I am geographically closer to Vienna and often go there
on business, I have agreed to help them retrieve those assets.

The bank claims that a) the intervention of a court is necessary before the
money can be released to my relative's heirs, and b) that legal proceedings
have to be handled by a lawyer.

I imagine others on the list have had similar experiences, and I would be
grateful if someone can tell me whether the bank is correct in claiming the
above. Please reply privately.

Thanks very much,

Jean Lowenstamm
Paris


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Confusing tombstone inscriptions in Vienna #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

With reference to this correspondence, please look at this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/668227490/

Click on "all sizes" above the picture. My great-aunt, Hermine
SCHIFFMANN {nee KOHN} obviously had her name and date of birth
engraved on the tombstone after her husband died, in preparation
for her death - there was no death date. In the event, she was
deported and I had to enter the sad death details. There was also
room to add details of my gt-aunt, Elsa KERNER [was KOHN].

I am not sure how often this occurred. I have never seen any other
tombstones with just the name and birth date and the death date
left blank. That is how I found this tombstone.

Celia Male, London U.K.