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Re: Medical advice -- and given name Falk #germany

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: I believe that it is fair to conclude that the derivation of the
family name FALK is not positively known. In the future, GerSig members writing
about this matter will be directed to our archives where the names and email
addresses of the various sages who have opinions on the matter can be found.

The GerSig Forum is for sharing information of **immediate**
relevance to German-Jewish Genealogy research. As we have
suggested many times in the past, those GerSig members who wish
to debate unresolved questions regarding Jewish name derivation
at are invited to find or to form an email discussion group on that
topic.
***END of FALK debate here*** and END of approval for this list of messages from
Dr. Nussbaum and others which do not strictly adhere to our format standards.
End of MOD NOTE. John Paul Lowens MODERATOR=========>

Dan Nussbaum posted as follows:

"Most Jewish onamasticians disagree with Kaganoff about "Falk." They think it
is a diminutive for Raphael, not a kinui for Joshua." ======>

Hilchot Gitin (Jewish divorce law) books agree with Kaganoff that the
Yiddish name Falk and some of its variants were kinuim for the Hebrew given
names Yehoshua and Yoshua. For example, the book "Get Mesudar" which
applies to Ashkenaz regions for the 19th century state this. This means
that Jewish law mandates that the name Yehoshua haMechune Falk must be
written (in Hebrew characters) in a Get (Jewish divorce contract) to
identify the man if he had those two names.

It is possible that those onomasticians to whom Mr Nussbaum may be
referring mistook the name Falk for some of the known Yiddish nicknames
which WERE used in Germany for men who had the Hebrew name Refaeyl, e.g.,
Fael. The mistake could be made by identifying the Yiddish nickname Falek
(a variant of Falk) as being similar to the name Fael, when in fact it was
never (to my knowledge) used by Jews in conjunction with the Hebrew name
Refaeyl, but only Yehoshua.

These names are included in the Germany Given Names Data Base web site on
JewishGen at < www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ > and illustrate the
above name relationships.

I believe that Kaganoff was correct.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel <jerry@vms.huji.ac.il>


German SIG #Germany Re: Medical advice -- and given name Falk #germany

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: I believe that it is fair to conclude that the derivation of the
family name FALK is not positively known. In the future, GerSig members writing
about this matter will be directed to our archives where the names and email
addresses of the various sages who have opinions on the matter can be found.

The GerSig Forum is for sharing information of **immediate**
relevance to German-Jewish Genealogy research. As we have
suggested many times in the past, those GerSig members who wish
to debate unresolved questions regarding Jewish name derivation
at are invited to find or to form an email discussion group on that
topic.
***END of FALK debate here*** and END of approval for this list of messages from
Dr. Nussbaum and others which do not strictly adhere to our format standards.
End of MOD NOTE. John Paul Lowens MODERATOR=========>

Dan Nussbaum posted as follows:

"Most Jewish onamasticians disagree with Kaganoff about "Falk." They think it
is a diminutive for Raphael, not a kinui for Joshua." ======>

Hilchot Gitin (Jewish divorce law) books agree with Kaganoff that the
Yiddish name Falk and some of its variants were kinuim for the Hebrew given
names Yehoshua and Yoshua. For example, the book "Get Mesudar" which
applies to Ashkenaz regions for the 19th century state this. This means
that Jewish law mandates that the name Yehoshua haMechune Falk must be
written (in Hebrew characters) in a Get (Jewish divorce contract) to
identify the man if he had those two names.

It is possible that those onomasticians to whom Mr Nussbaum may be
referring mistook the name Falk for some of the known Yiddish nicknames
which WERE used in Germany for men who had the Hebrew name Refaeyl, e.g.,
Fael. The mistake could be made by identifying the Yiddish nickname Falek
(a variant of Falk) as being similar to the name Fael, when in fact it was
never (to my knowledge) used by Jews in conjunction with the Hebrew name
Refaeyl, but only Yehoshua.

These names are included in the Germany Given Names Data Base web site on
JewishGen at < www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ > and illustrate the
above name relationships.

I believe that Kaganoff was correct.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel <jerry@vms.huji.ac.il>


Werner Frank to speak at June 21st JGSLA meeting #germany

gersig@...
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles (JGSLA) has announced that
GerSig coordinator and "Stammbaum" editor Werner Frank, a JGSLA member,
will present at our June 21st meeting, which is co-sponsored with the Jewish
Community Library of Los Angeles. The title of the presentation is:

"The Genealogist's Crowning Achievement: Recording His Legacy."

Mr. Frank began researching his family history in 1996 and has amassed a database
of over 30,000 names. His research has extended back to the 13th century through
a connection to the rabbinic dynasty of Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg. His opus is an
account of Landjuden (small town Jews) whose livelihood as horse, cattle, and feed
brokers depended upon the needs of the surrounding gentile farming communities.
Their lives and struggles are recorded for a period of over 300 years in Germany,
from the Thirty Years War to the impact of Nazism. Mr. Frank recently published a
meticulously researched 900 page family history:

"Legacy: The Saga of a German-Jewish Family over Time and Circumstance"
The book was published by the Avotaynu Foundation.

Pre-Registration is Required: While there is no fee for attending the
meeting, and both JGSLA members and non-members are welcome, due to security
requirements at the Federation Building, all participants MUST pre-register
with the Jewish Community Library of Los Angeles by leaving a phone message
at: (323) 761-8644 or e-mail them at INFO@JCCLA.ORG.

For more information on the JGSLA please visit their website: http://JGSLA.org

Date and Time: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:00 pm- please note earlier start time.
Due to going through entry security, -see below- please arrive early enough to
accommodate going through the security line.

Location: Jewish Federation Building, Board Room 6505 Wilshire Blvd. Los
Angeles. Exit Santa Monica Freeway (405) at La Cienga Blvd. Drive north 2
miles and turn right on Wilshire Blvd. Free parking is available at the
Federation garage; tandem spaces may require leaving car keys with
attendants. Parking is limited. Street parking is also available. Allow
time for building entry security check.

GerSig Coordinator John Paul Lowens GerSig@aol.com


German SIG #Germany Werner Frank to speak at June 21st JGSLA meeting #germany

gersig@...
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles (JGSLA) has announced that
GerSig coordinator and "Stammbaum" editor Werner Frank, a JGSLA member,
will present at our June 21st meeting, which is co-sponsored with the Jewish
Community Library of Los Angeles. The title of the presentation is:

"The Genealogist's Crowning Achievement: Recording His Legacy."

Mr. Frank began researching his family history in 1996 and has amassed a database
of over 30,000 names. His research has extended back to the 13th century through
a connection to the rabbinic dynasty of Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg. His opus is an
account of Landjuden (small town Jews) whose livelihood as horse, cattle, and feed
brokers depended upon the needs of the surrounding gentile farming communities.
Their lives and struggles are recorded for a period of over 300 years in Germany,
from the Thirty Years War to the impact of Nazism. Mr. Frank recently published a
meticulously researched 900 page family history:

"Legacy: The Saga of a German-Jewish Family over Time and Circumstance"
The book was published by the Avotaynu Foundation.

Pre-Registration is Required: While there is no fee for attending the
meeting, and both JGSLA members and non-members are welcome, due to security
requirements at the Federation Building, all participants MUST pre-register
with the Jewish Community Library of Los Angeles by leaving a phone message
at: (323) 761-8644 or e-mail them at INFO@JCCLA.ORG.

For more information on the JGSLA please visit their website: http://JGSLA.org

Date and Time: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:00 pm- please note earlier start time.
Due to going through entry security, -see below- please arrive early enough to
accommodate going through the security line.

Location: Jewish Federation Building, Board Room 6505 Wilshire Blvd. Los
Angeles. Exit Santa Monica Freeway (405) at La Cienga Blvd. Drive north 2
miles and turn right on Wilshire Blvd. Free parking is available at the
Federation garage; tandem spaces may require leaving car keys with
attendants. Parking is limited. Street parking is also available. Allow
time for building entry security check.

GerSig Coordinator John Paul Lowens GerSig@aol.com


MUTEROFF #belarus

Joy <joy.m@...>
 

I finally found a listing for my gf, Frank MUTEROFF. He is listed in the
1910 US Census, State of New York. How can I get confirmation that this is,
indeed my gf. I'm also searching for his family who came to NY at some
later date.

Without buying the Census Book, is there any way I can find out whether this
is available on Microfilm? Also would his name be listed as available only
to get me to purchase this book?

Joy Muter
Toronto, Canada
Searching: Mutteroff, Muteroff, Yudashkin >from Humel (Gomel) Belarus.


Belarus SIG #Belarus MUTEROFF #belarus

Joy <joy.m@...>
 

I finally found a listing for my gf, Frank MUTEROFF. He is listed in the
1910 US Census, State of New York. How can I get confirmation that this is,
indeed my gf. I'm also searching for his family who came to NY at some
later date.

Without buying the Census Book, is there any way I can find out whether this
is available on Microfilm? Also would his name be listed as available only
to get me to purchase this book?

Joy Muter
Toronto, Canada
Searching: Mutteroff, Muteroff, Yudashkin >from Humel (Gomel) Belarus.


Bene Israel congregation, Cincinnati #general

Jill Hyams <jill@...>
 

I am seeking further information about the Bene Israel
congregation in Cincinnati, of which my great-great-great
grandfather Joseph Symonds was a member.

According to Joseph Jonas' History of the Jews in Ohio,
the congregation was founded in 1824 by Jews of English origin.
My g-g-g-gf originated >from Portsmouth in England.

If anyone has any further information about the
community or knows of any archive material, I would be pleased
to hear >from them.

Thanks

Jill Hyams
Staines, Middlesex, England

Researching: ELKAN, HYAMS, SYMONDS


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bene Israel congregation, Cincinnati #general

Jill Hyams <jill@...>
 

I am seeking further information about the Bene Israel
congregation in Cincinnati, of which my great-great-great
grandfather Joseph Symonds was a member.

According to Joseph Jonas' History of the Jews in Ohio,
the congregation was founded in 1824 by Jews of English origin.
My g-g-g-gf originated >from Portsmouth in England.

If anyone has any further information about the
community or knows of any archive material, I would be pleased
to hear >from them.

Thanks

Jill Hyams
Staines, Middlesex, England

Researching: ELKAN, HYAMS, SYMONDS


WEINER/WAINER #general

Thia Persoff
 

Shalom,

I have a biographical data of Leon WAINER/WEINER. I will writ
here just a few lines, in case any of you think that he
may be part of your "Tree" get in touch with me and I
will be glad to share the complete article with you.

Leon - born in Kielce, Poland, to Yisrael and Gitl (ne' Klingbail).
Yisrael was the Khazan (cantor) of the Kielce synagogue
(as was Leon's grand father Shlomo, befor him). Leon graduated
from the Warsaw State Conservatory. A musician, he played
the cello and wrote musical compositions. He was a choir
director and performed in concerts through out the world.
At the end of the war (1946) Leon was repatriated to
Poland and found not one living member of his family,
and that his wife Zina and their daughter Rina,
perished in the Ghetto Warsaw during the Holocaust.
In time he received news of his brother Noakh living in Santiago,
Chile, of his brother-in-law Leibl SREBRNIK (a liturgical Cantor
in Tel-Aviv), and of his cousins Abraham FRENKEL, KLINGBEIL, and
GITLIN in Israel.Some years later Leon had married again.
His wife's name was Rivkah Klingbeil, who was a singer.
Together they performed on many stages through out the world.

This Yisrael is the brother of my maternal grandmother
Sarah Khaya Gitlin (ne' Weiner).

I do not have any info if Leon and Rivkah had children,
nor where they are.If any of you have any info about them
or any one of these families mentioned above, I would be
most grateful if you will let me know.

Thia Persoff
Cambria, California.

Searching: (& by similar spellings].
PERSOV, PERSOFF,
SUBOVICH, NEPOMNYASHCHY.
GITLIN, WEINER.
LOKSHIN, SHAPIRO.

MODERATOR NOTE:
One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites
is the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections
are being made more and more frequently. If you have
not already done so, please log onto
www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure
enter and register all the surnames of interest to
your family research. As you learn about more names
and places of origin, they can always be added, but
only **you** can keep your own listings up to date.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WEINER/WAINER #general

Thia Persoff
 

Shalom,

I have a biographical data of Leon WAINER/WEINER. I will writ
here just a few lines, in case any of you think that he
may be part of your "Tree" get in touch with me and I
will be glad to share the complete article with you.

Leon - born in Kielce, Poland, to Yisrael and Gitl (ne' Klingbail).
Yisrael was the Khazan (cantor) of the Kielce synagogue
(as was Leon's grand father Shlomo, befor him). Leon graduated
from the Warsaw State Conservatory. A musician, he played
the cello and wrote musical compositions. He was a choir
director and performed in concerts through out the world.
At the end of the war (1946) Leon was repatriated to
Poland and found not one living member of his family,
and that his wife Zina and their daughter Rina,
perished in the Ghetto Warsaw during the Holocaust.
In time he received news of his brother Noakh living in Santiago,
Chile, of his brother-in-law Leibl SREBRNIK (a liturgical Cantor
in Tel-Aviv), and of his cousins Abraham FRENKEL, KLINGBEIL, and
GITLIN in Israel.Some years later Leon had married again.
His wife's name was Rivkah Klingbeil, who was a singer.
Together they performed on many stages through out the world.

This Yisrael is the brother of my maternal grandmother
Sarah Khaya Gitlin (ne' Weiner).

I do not have any info if Leon and Rivkah had children,
nor where they are.If any of you have any info about them
or any one of these families mentioned above, I would be
most grateful if you will let me know.

Thia Persoff
Cambria, California.

Searching: (& by similar spellings].
PERSOV, PERSOFF,
SUBOVICH, NEPOMNYASHCHY.
GITLIN, WEINER.
LOKSHIN, SHAPIRO.

MODERATOR NOTE:
One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites
is the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections
are being made more and more frequently. If you have
not already done so, please log onto
www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure
enter and register all the surnames of interest to
your family research. As you learn about more names
and places of origin, they can always be added, but
only **you** can keep your own listings up to date.


Searchiong information of Ida Regina FRANKEL #germany

herr <zvinsue@...>
 

Through information received >from reliable sources ( Holocaust Museum in
Jerusalem and the Book of Rememberence for the German , Austrian and
Czechoslovakian Jews deported to the Baltic States ) I have discovered that
my Maternal Grandparents , Jacob BERGHEIMER b 1868 in Diersburg , Offenburg
/Baden and Elizabeth BERGHEIMER , maiden name HEUMAN b 1868 in Guntersblum ,
district Mainz / Hessen , were deported >from their last known abode , The
Jewish Old Age Home in Frankfurt , Woehler Str 6 or 8 , to Kowno / Lithuania
on the 22nd November 1944 and murdered there on the 25th . November 1944 .
Ida Regina FRANKEL b BERGHEIMER , was the daughter of the brother of the
above mentioned . In 1955 she lived in 29 Haniviim Street in Tel Aviv .

My primary research goals now are to find children or grand children of Ida
Regina FRANKEL .

Please answer privately . Susan Herr . Israel <zvinsue@tzora.co.il>


German SIG #Germany Searchiong information of Ida Regina FRANKEL #germany

herr <zvinsue@...>
 

Through information received >from reliable sources ( Holocaust Museum in
Jerusalem and the Book of Rememberence for the German , Austrian and
Czechoslovakian Jews deported to the Baltic States ) I have discovered that
my Maternal Grandparents , Jacob BERGHEIMER b 1868 in Diersburg , Offenburg
/Baden and Elizabeth BERGHEIMER , maiden name HEUMAN b 1868 in Guntersblum ,
district Mainz / Hessen , were deported >from their last known abode , The
Jewish Old Age Home in Frankfurt , Woehler Str 6 or 8 , to Kowno / Lithuania
on the 22nd November 1944 and murdered there on the 25th . November 1944 .
Ida Regina FRANKEL b BERGHEIMER , was the daughter of the brother of the
above mentioned . In 1955 she lived in 29 Haniviim Street in Tel Aviv .

My primary research goals now are to find children or grand children of Ida
Regina FRANKEL .

Please answer privately . Susan Herr . Israel <zvinsue@tzora.co.il>


Budapest #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <Key2pst@...>
 

Is there anyone online >from Budapest..I would love to talk to you..
I am seeking someone who knew of the Schwartz Clothing mill
east of the city. respond privately..
Gayle >from San Gabriel.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Budapest #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <Key2pst@...>
 

Is there anyone online >from Budapest..I would love to talk to you..
I am seeking someone who knew of the Schwartz Clothing mill
east of the city. respond privately..
Gayle >from San Gabriel.


Re: mendel #general

Janice Sellers <janice@...>
 

At 6:52 PM -0800 6/14/04, Richard McMurtry wrote:

Can I ask if anyone knows what the male name
Mendel usually translated to after coming to America?
My great-great-grandfather was named Mendel and went by
Max and by Morris at different times.

Janice Sellers


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: mendel #general

Janice Sellers <janice@...>
 

At 6:52 PM -0800 6/14/04, Richard McMurtry wrote:

Can I ask if anyone knows what the male name
Mendel usually translated to after coming to America?
My great-great-grandfather was named Mendel and went by
Max and by Morris at different times.

Janice Sellers


Fw: mendel #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

My son whose Hebrew name is Reuben Leib ben Mendel in English
is Richard Lee son of Milton. So it's possible that Mendel
could be Milton or Melvin.

Joan Parker
Immediate Past President JGS-GM, Inc.
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa,
Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami
and Miami Beach, FL.

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard McMurtry
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:52 PM
Subject: mendel

Hi Geners,

As requested by the moderator, I went to the following site:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/

and it found no matches for Mendel or Mendal in
Poland, but found Mendle as a female name.

And then using the Daimoff... soundex, it yielded
19 names - none of which made any sense to me.

Can I ask if anyone knows what the male name
Mendel usually translated to after coming to America?

Or was it dropped and a completely different name taken.

Richard McMurtry


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fw: mendel #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

My son whose Hebrew name is Reuben Leib ben Mendel in English
is Richard Lee son of Milton. So it's possible that Mendel
could be Milton or Melvin.

Joan Parker
Immediate Past President JGS-GM, Inc.
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa,
Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami
and Miami Beach, FL.

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard McMurtry
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:52 PM
Subject: mendel

Hi Geners,

As requested by the moderator, I went to the following site:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/

and it found no matches for Mendel or Mendal in
Poland, but found Mendle as a female name.

And then using the Daimoff... soundex, it yielded
19 names - none of which made any sense to me.

Can I ask if anyone knows what the male name
Mendel usually translated to after coming to America?

Or was it dropped and a completely different name taken.

Richard McMurtry


Civil record of divorce in 19th century Lomza #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

There is in my database a man living in Lomza Gubernia, whose 1898
registration of a second marriage describes him as being divorced -- a rare
enough event in that time and place. The birth of the latest known child of
the first wife was in 1889, which brackets the possible date of the divorce,
although there are reasons to suppose that the interval between divorce and
remarriage was shorter than these eleven years. I would really like to know
something about the story behind the divorce.

The civil records that we usually see indexed are only the routine ones for
birth, marriage, and death. Surely there must also be similar records for
divorce. Is there a way to find them?

I have no idea how much information would be included in the official record
of the termination of a marriage, maybe only a statement of the fact of
termination. But I would like to see what's there.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com
For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Civil record of divorce in 19th century Lomza #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

There is in my database a man living in Lomza Gubernia, whose 1898
registration of a second marriage describes him as being divorced -- a rare
enough event in that time and place. The birth of the latest known child of
the first wife was in 1889, which brackets the possible date of the divorce,
although there are reasons to suppose that the interval between divorce and
remarriage was shorter than these eleven years. I would really like to know
something about the story behind the divorce.

The civil records that we usually see indexed are only the routine ones for
birth, marriage, and death. Surely there must also be similar records for
divorce. Is there a way to find them?

I have no idea how much information would be included in the official record
of the termination of a marriage, maybe only a statement of the fact of
termination. But I would like to see what's there.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com
For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.