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Searching for relatives in Krakow Province
#poland
Jenny Rappaport <jennyrappaport@...>
I'm writing to the list for help because I'm at a tiny bit of an impasse.
I'm trying to find proof that my relatives lived in Krakow. They are Schmuel David FEIGENBAUM, his wife, Reizel GLIEDMAN (possibly listed under FEIGENBAUM), and their three children, Abraham FEIGENBAUM, Friede (Frederyka possibly) FEIGEBAUM, and Yetta/Jetti FEIGENBAUM (Hebrew name Yached). >from family history, I know the following: Schmuel David and Reizel were married in 1872 (possibly only a religious ceremony); Abraham died as a child of blood poisoning after a bad tooth extraction; and Yetta was born in May 1885 in the middle of a flood, and it took them three weeks to return to their home by boat. (Her birth date was verified by her marriage record >from Lvov.) After Yetta's birth, the family moved to Lvov--first Dublany and then Nawaria. I have records >from when the family lived in Lvov, stating that Reizel, Friede, and Yetta were born in Krakau. Yet, I'm unable to find any of my relatives within the city of Krakow itself. I've also gone through some of the censuses for Podgorze, as well. I am forced to conclude that when they lived in Krakow, they meant perhaps Krakow province, instead. But when I search the entire province on JRI, I still can't find them. I'd love to have suggestions for where to go next or what to do. The best I can think of is going through Krakow province in concentric circles out >from the city of Krakow, trying to find them in any unindexed records. Thank you in advance for any and all help. Best, Jenny Marlboro, NJ
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JRI Poland #Poland Searching for relatives in Krakow Province
#poland
Jenny Rappaport <jennyrappaport@...>
I'm writing to the list for help because I'm at a tiny bit of an impasse.
I'm trying to find proof that my relatives lived in Krakow. They are Schmuel David FEIGENBAUM, his wife, Reizel GLIEDMAN (possibly listed under FEIGENBAUM), and their three children, Abraham FEIGENBAUM, Friede (Frederyka possibly) FEIGEBAUM, and Yetta/Jetti FEIGENBAUM (Hebrew name Yached). >from family history, I know the following: Schmuel David and Reizel were married in 1872 (possibly only a religious ceremony); Abraham died as a child of blood poisoning after a bad tooth extraction; and Yetta was born in May 1885 in the middle of a flood, and it took them three weeks to return to their home by boat. (Her birth date was verified by her marriage record >from Lvov.) After Yetta's birth, the family moved to Lvov--first Dublany and then Nawaria. I have records >from when the family lived in Lvov, stating that Reizel, Friede, and Yetta were born in Krakau. Yet, I'm unable to find any of my relatives within the city of Krakow itself. I've also gone through some of the censuses for Podgorze, as well. I am forced to conclude that when they lived in Krakow, they meant perhaps Krakow province, instead. But when I search the entire province on JRI, I still can't find them. I'd love to have suggestions for where to go next or what to do. The best I can think of is going through Krakow province in concentric circles out >from the city of Krakow, trying to find them in any unindexed records. Thank you in advance for any and all help. Best, Jenny Marlboro, NJ
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Information for Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN
#ukraine
Dear Genners:
Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN was my great aunt (my paternal grandmother's younger sister). Born in Odessa in Czarist Russia to a wealthy family, she became one of the most profound and well-respected pianists in the Soviet Union with a PhD in piano and music theory. I believe that she lectured at the Music Conservatory at the University of Moscow. She resided both in Moscow and at our family's home in Baku, Azerbaijan. Neither my father nor I ever met her as she lived and died in the Soviet Union and never visited the States. She was in touch with our family in England and I remember during the years of the Iron Curtain, my great aunt Rose placed a phone call to her in the mid 1970s. My Dad described it as one of the most dramatic things he had ever witnessed nor did he ever see his aunt Rose ever react that way before in his life, as neither sister saw or spoke with one another for over 5 decades at least. Is there any way I can research her with the information that I have? Any ideas people? Thank you all very much and I hope to hear >from somebody soon. Kind regards, Rashi Rosnezweig Ra'anana, ISRAEL MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately.
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Information for Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN
#ukraine
Dear Genners:
Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN was my great aunt (my paternal grandmother's younger sister). Born in Odessa in Czarist Russia to a wealthy family, she became one of the most profound and well-respected pianists in the Soviet Union with a PhD in piano and music theory. I believe that she lectured at the Music Conservatory at the University of Moscow. She resided both in Moscow and at our family's home in Baku, Azerbaijan. Neither my father nor I ever met her as she lived and died in the Soviet Union and never visited the States. She was in touch with our family in England and I remember during the years of the Iron Curtain, my great aunt Rose placed a phone call to her in the mid 1970s. My Dad described it as one of the most dramatic things he had ever witnessed nor did he ever see his aunt Rose ever react that way before in his life, as neither sister saw or spoke with one another for over 5 decades at least. Is there any way I can research her with the information that I have? Any ideas people? Thank you all very much and I hope to hear >from somebody soon. Kind regards, Rashi Rosnezweig Ra'anana, ISRAEL MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately.
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David PIZA London 1817-1890
#general
Rene van Wijngaarden
David PIZA 1817-1890, London, of Sephardic Lineage was appointed Hazan and Mohel in
Montreal-Canada abt 1840-1845. He retuned to London-England where he officiated as reverend more than 30 years ago. As his parents had died when he was abt. 4 he was interned in the London Sephardic Orphanage. Pizza married Hannah ISAACS, daughter of Aaron ISAACS of Manchester-England who probably was Azkenazic. I have been trying to find the wedding date and place of David and Hannah but no luck till now. The wedding must have been in or before 1842 as their first child Rachel Piza was born that year in North America or Montreal. Any information is more than welcome. Rene van Wijngaarden delvalle.rene@gmail.com Searching for: Delvalle
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen David PIZA London 1817-1890
#general
Rene van Wijngaarden
David PIZA 1817-1890, London, of Sephardic Lineage was appointed Hazan and Mohel in
Montreal-Canada abt 1840-1845. He retuned to London-England where he officiated as reverend more than 30 years ago. As his parents had died when he was abt. 4 he was interned in the London Sephardic Orphanage. Pizza married Hannah ISAACS, daughter of Aaron ISAACS of Manchester-England who probably was Azkenazic. I have been trying to find the wedding date and place of David and Hannah but no luck till now. The wedding must have been in or before 1842 as their first child Rachel Piza was born that year in North America or Montreal. Any information is more than welcome. Rene van Wijngaarden delvalle.rene@gmail.com Searching for: Delvalle
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Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting
#galicia
Susana Leistner Bloch
The Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting at the Seattle
IAJGS Conference is scheduled for: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 3:00 PM - 4:15 PM Room: Cedar A Members of KRRG and everyone with family links in shtetlach included in the Kolbuszowa Region Research Group are invited to attend. Please let me know if you will be attending the meetings and which shtetlach you are researching in case I have material of special interest that I should bring with me. KRRG includes the following Administrative Districts Kolbuszowa - Lancut - Mielec - Nisko - Pilzno - Ropczyce - Rzeszow - Strzyzow - Tarnobrzeg Shtetlach included in KRRG: Although there are many other shtetlach in the KRRG area that once had a Jewish community, we list below only some of the shtetlach where our members had family connections. Albigowa, Alfredowka, Baranow Sandomierski, Biala, Bialoboki, Biesiadka, Blazowa, Blizna, Boguchwala, Bojanow, Borowa, Brandwica, Brzezowka, Brzostek, Brzozowa, Charzewice, Chmielnik, Chmielow, Chodaczow, Cholewiana Gora, Chorzelow, Chotowa, Chwalowice, Cierpisz, Cmolas, Czajkowa, Czermin, Czudec, Dabrowica, Debica, Debno, Debow, Domaradz, Domatkow, Drabinianka, Dulcza Mala, Dzikowiec, Frysztak, Gac, Gawluszowice, Giedlarowa, Glogow Malopolski, Glowaczowa, Gniewczyna, Golemki, Gora Motyczna, Gora Ropczycka, Gorki, Gorno, Grabiny, Grebow, Groble, Grochowe, Grodzisko, Gumniska, Gwozdziec, Hadykowka, Handzlowka, Husow, Huta Komorowska, Iwierzyce, Jagiela, Jagodnik, Jaslany, Jata, Jawornik Polski, Jelna, Jezowe, Jodlowa, Judaszowka, Kakolowka, Kamien, Kamyszyn, Kanczuga, Klapowka, Kliszow, Kopcie, Koprzywnica, Kosina, Kosowy, Krasne, Krzemienica, Krzeszow, Kurylowka, Lancut, Leki Dolne, Lezajsk, Lipnica, Lukawiec, Majdan Krolewski, Mala, Manasterz, Markowa, Matysowka, Medynia, Meciszow, Mielec, Mokrzyszow, Mrowla, Nagoszyn, Nart Nowy, Niebylec, Niedzwiada, Nienadowka, Nisko, Niwiska, Nowa Wies, Nowosielce, Ostrow, Padew, Pantalowice, Partynia, Pilzno, Plawo, Podkosciele, Pogorzalka, Predzel, Przeclaw, Przedborz, Przedmiescie, Przeryty Bor, Przeworsk, Przybyszowka, Przylek, Pysznica, Radomysl Nad Sanem, Radomysl Wielki, Rakszawa, Ranizow, Ropczyce, Rozwadow, Ruda, Rudnik, Rusinow, Rzedzianowice, Rzeszow, Sadkowa-Gora, Sedzizow Mlp., Siedlanka, Sietesz, Slocina, Slotowa, Smykow Maly, Sobow, Sokol, Sokolow Mlp., Stalowa Wola, Staromiscie, Stobierna, Staroniwa, Straszecin, Stroza, Strzyzow, Swilcza, Tarnawiec, Tarnawka, Tarnobrzeg, Tarnowska Wola, Tryncza, Trzebos, Trzebuska, Trzesowka, Turka, Tyczyn, Ulanow, Wadowice Dolne/Gorne, Wampierzow, Widelka, Wielopole, Witkowice, Wolica Lugowa, Wola Wielka, Wola Zyrakowska, Wolica Lugowa, Wolka, Wydrze, Zabratowka, Zagorze, Zarebki, Zbydniow, Zglobien, Zielonka, Zolynia, Zupawa, Zyrakow See you in Seattle Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/ bloch@mts.net
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting
#galicia
Susana Leistner Bloch
The Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting at the Seattle
IAJGS Conference is scheduled for: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 3:00 PM - 4:15 PM Room: Cedar A Members of KRRG and everyone with family links in shtetlach included in the Kolbuszowa Region Research Group are invited to attend. Please let me know if you will be attending the meetings and which shtetlach you are researching in case I have material of special interest that I should bring with me. KRRG includes the following Administrative Districts Kolbuszowa - Lancut - Mielec - Nisko - Pilzno - Ropczyce - Rzeszow - Strzyzow - Tarnobrzeg Shtetlach included in KRRG: Although there are many other shtetlach in the KRRG area that once had a Jewish community, we list below only some of the shtetlach where our members had family connections. Albigowa, Alfredowka, Baranow Sandomierski, Biala, Bialoboki, Biesiadka, Blazowa, Blizna, Boguchwala, Bojanow, Borowa, Brandwica, Brzezowka, Brzostek, Brzozowa, Charzewice, Chmielnik, Chmielow, Chodaczow, Cholewiana Gora, Chorzelow, Chotowa, Chwalowice, Cierpisz, Cmolas, Czajkowa, Czermin, Czudec, Dabrowica, Debica, Debno, Debow, Domaradz, Domatkow, Drabinianka, Dulcza Mala, Dzikowiec, Frysztak, Gac, Gawluszowice, Giedlarowa, Glogow Malopolski, Glowaczowa, Gniewczyna, Golemki, Gora Motyczna, Gora Ropczycka, Gorki, Gorno, Grabiny, Grebow, Groble, Grochowe, Grodzisko, Gumniska, Gwozdziec, Hadykowka, Handzlowka, Husow, Huta Komorowska, Iwierzyce, Jagiela, Jagodnik, Jaslany, Jata, Jawornik Polski, Jelna, Jezowe, Jodlowa, Judaszowka, Kakolowka, Kamien, Kamyszyn, Kanczuga, Klapowka, Kliszow, Kopcie, Koprzywnica, Kosina, Kosowy, Krasne, Krzemienica, Krzeszow, Kurylowka, Lancut, Leki Dolne, Lezajsk, Lipnica, Lukawiec, Majdan Krolewski, Mala, Manasterz, Markowa, Matysowka, Medynia, Meciszow, Mielec, Mokrzyszow, Mrowla, Nagoszyn, Nart Nowy, Niebylec, Niedzwiada, Nienadowka, Nisko, Niwiska, Nowa Wies, Nowosielce, Ostrow, Padew, Pantalowice, Partynia, Pilzno, Plawo, Podkosciele, Pogorzalka, Predzel, Przeclaw, Przedborz, Przedmiescie, Przeryty Bor, Przeworsk, Przybyszowka, Przylek, Pysznica, Radomysl Nad Sanem, Radomysl Wielki, Rakszawa, Ranizow, Ropczyce, Rozwadow, Ruda, Rudnik, Rusinow, Rzedzianowice, Rzeszow, Sadkowa-Gora, Sedzizow Mlp., Siedlanka, Sietesz, Slocina, Slotowa, Smykow Maly, Sobow, Sokol, Sokolow Mlp., Stalowa Wola, Staromiscie, Stobierna, Staroniwa, Straszecin, Stroza, Strzyzow, Swilcza, Tarnawiec, Tarnawka, Tarnobrzeg, Tarnowska Wola, Tryncza, Trzebos, Trzebuska, Trzesowka, Turka, Tyczyn, Ulanow, Wadowice Dolne/Gorne, Wampierzow, Widelka, Wielopole, Witkowice, Wolica Lugowa, Wola Wielka, Wola Zyrakowska, Wolica Lugowa, Wolka, Wydrze, Zabratowka, Zagorze, Zarebki, Zbydniow, Zglobien, Zielonka, Zolynia, Zupawa, Zyrakow See you in Seattle Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/ bloch@mts.net
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Jozef ben Rafael TAUBENSCHLAG of Tarnow
#galicia
Dan Oren <doren@...>
Through a small miracle, I found the tombstone of Jozef ben Rafael
TAUBENSCHLAG (died 1912, age 75) of Tarnow in the Tarnow cemetery on Friday. Based on his father's name and the city and year of death, he is likely a relative, though I have not encountered his specific name in any other location. Does his specific name connect with anyone on this group's tree or records? Sincerely, Dan Oren Today in Krakow, Poland
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Cohanim - GELB from Lemberg / Lwow / Lviv - brick wall
#galicia
Jay Lenefsky <hotdog@...>
Dear One and All:
I am interesting in contacting / hearing >from people related to a GELB family that are cohens. I have been researching this branch since 1980 and have not been able to find a trace... My grandmother Dora - Dvora GELB was born in 1908 in the city of Lwow - Lemberg (have copy of her birth certificate). Her father was Tzvi Hirsch - Herman GELB (a baker both in Europe and in the USA - settled in Bridgeport CT.) -born 1878- (according to ship manifest he was born in Lemberg as well) . According to the grave stone of Tzvi Hirsch -- Herman GELB -- his father was Mordechai Shlomo. Any help / ideas would be greatly appreciated All the best, Jay Lenefsky - Israel
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Jozef ben Rafael TAUBENSCHLAG of Tarnow
#galicia
Dan Oren <doren@...>
Through a small miracle, I found the tombstone of Jozef ben Rafael
TAUBENSCHLAG (died 1912, age 75) of Tarnow in the Tarnow cemetery on Friday. Based on his father's name and the city and year of death, he is likely a relative, though I have not encountered his specific name in any other location. Does his specific name connect with anyone on this group's tree or records? Sincerely, Dan Oren Today in Krakow, Poland
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Cohanim - GELB from Lemberg / Lwow / Lviv - brick wall
#galicia
Jay Lenefsky <hotdog@...>
Dear One and All:
I am interesting in contacting / hearing >from people related to a GELB family that are cohens. I have been researching this branch since 1980 and have not been able to find a trace... My grandmother Dora - Dvora GELB was born in 1908 in the city of Lwow - Lemberg (have copy of her birth certificate). Her father was Tzvi Hirsch - Herman GELB (a baker both in Europe and in the USA - settled in Bridgeport CT.) -born 1878- (according to ship manifest he was born in Lemberg as well) . According to the grave stone of Tzvi Hirsch -- Herman GELB -- his father was Mordechai Shlomo. Any help / ideas would be greatly appreciated All the best, Jay Lenefsky - Israel
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Rensselaer Jewish Farmers'/Descendents' Reuinion, October 28-30, 2016
#general
LAF <larryfader@...>
Immigrant Jewish farmers settled in Rensselaer County, NY a century ago.
They established synagogues in the Villages of Nassau, East Nassau, and East Schodack as well as a Hebrew Farmers Association. A reunion of farmers and their offspring is planned for October 28-30, 2016. For more information, please contact Dr. Larry Fader (larryfader@comcast.net) or the Nassau Synagogue (http://www.nassausynagogue.org/Nassau_Brochure_2013web.pdf). Marian Price Rensselaer, NY
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rensselaer Jewish Farmers'/Descendents' Reuinion, October 28-30, 2016
#general
LAF <larryfader@...>
Immigrant Jewish farmers settled in Rensselaer County, NY a century ago.
They established synagogues in the Villages of Nassau, East Nassau, and East Schodack as well as a Hebrew Farmers Association. A reunion of farmers and their offspring is planned for October 28-30, 2016. For more information, please contact Dr. Larry Fader (larryfader@comcast.net) or the Nassau Synagogue (http://www.nassausynagogue.org/Nassau_Brochure_2013web.pdf). Marian Price Rensselaer, NY
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Re: Disappearance of Trail in Paterson, New Jersey???
#general
Ann Rabinowitz
It appears that perhaps it isn't a disappearance that is in order here with this
family, but not enough types of records have been checked. For instance, considering it is 1940 which is the disappearance point, it is likely that male members of the family were drafted or volunteered into the military for World War II and the father would be listed in the old man's draft listing. Usually, city directories have the names of individuals and/or their businesses or residences and should be checked. I know >from my family in Paterson, they might have been considered "disappeared" as they did the following things: One son moved to Bridgeport, CT, to live with his aunt during high school and another son moved to go to college at Rutgers. Later, one son moved to Florida to work and then was drafted for the Air Force and moved to England and didn't return until 1946 when he returned to Florida to work. Neither of the sons moved back to Paterson. In other Paterson "disappearances", cousins moved to nearby towns such as Plainfield, Perth Amboy, and other suburbs of the towns which came into general and popular use after the war in order to open businesses. The most common "disappearance" was that of the women in the family who married and moved to other towns or states following their husbands and trends to move to new suburbs and places for better opportunities. A final consideration of "disappearance" were those individuals in the family who died and their spouses remarried thereby leaving no trail. In fact, I remember a Paterson family whose husband died and the mother took herself and all of her children to Plainfield to live and after that the children married and moved to different places. This was also the case of individuals who retired and moved usually to Florida. However, checking the Social Security records could find them easily enough if they had signed up for it. So, I suggest trying a greater array of records and places in New Jersey or even Florida. For instance, Florida has a 1935 and 1945 Census. Ann Rabinowitz arabinow@bellsouth.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Disappearance of Trail in Paterson, New Jersey???
#general
Ann Rabinowitz
It appears that perhaps it isn't a disappearance that is in order here with this
family, but not enough types of records have been checked. For instance, considering it is 1940 which is the disappearance point, it is likely that male members of the family were drafted or volunteered into the military for World War II and the father would be listed in the old man's draft listing. Usually, city directories have the names of individuals and/or their businesses or residences and should be checked. I know >from my family in Paterson, they might have been considered "disappeared" as they did the following things: One son moved to Bridgeport, CT, to live with his aunt during high school and another son moved to go to college at Rutgers. Later, one son moved to Florida to work and then was drafted for the Air Force and moved to England and didn't return until 1946 when he returned to Florida to work. Neither of the sons moved back to Paterson. In other Paterson "disappearances", cousins moved to nearby towns such as Plainfield, Perth Amboy, and other suburbs of the towns which came into general and popular use after the war in order to open businesses. The most common "disappearance" was that of the women in the family who married and moved to other towns or states following their husbands and trends to move to new suburbs and places for better opportunities. A final consideration of "disappearance" were those individuals in the family who died and their spouses remarried thereby leaving no trail. In fact, I remember a Paterson family whose husband died and the mother took herself and all of her children to Plainfield to live and after that the children married and moved to different places. This was also the case of individuals who retired and moved usually to Florida. However, checking the Social Security records could find them easily enough if they had signed up for it. So, I suggest trying a greater array of records and places in New Jersey or even Florida. For instance, Florida has a 1935 and 1945 Census. Ann Rabinowitz arabinow@bellsouth.net
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Finding information beyond burial record
#general
Anonymous <gabi.rule@...>
Hello,
I suspect that this person: http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsearch~model2~[jowbr]J_VITEBSK_2_RECNUM1961 (MODERATOR: http://tinyurl.com/h5gfa7d ) is my great grandfather's sister. My target is finding any documentation regarding my great grandfather. The question is, how can I find more information about his suspected sister? And can I reach him through his sister somehow? Any suggestions would be helpful for me! They escaped >from Lithuania prior to 1940. Regards, Gavriel Yadgarov (Israel)
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding information beyond burial record
#general
Anonymous <gabi.rule@...>
Hello,
I suspect that this person: http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsearch~model2~[jowbr]J_VITEBSK_2_RECNUM1961 (MODERATOR: http://tinyurl.com/h5gfa7d ) is my great grandfather's sister. My target is finding any documentation regarding my great grandfather. The question is, how can I find more information about his suspected sister? And can I reach him through his sister somehow? Any suggestions would be helpful for me! They escaped >from Lithuania prior to 1940. Regards, Gavriel Yadgarov (Israel)
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South African Tea Party In Seattle
#southafrica
Dear SA SIGgers
Are you visiting Seattle for the IAJGS conference in August? You're invited to a South African Tea Party on Saturday, August 6th >from 2 to 5pm. Our hosts are Bernice & Wally Kegel, members of the ex pat South African Jewish community in Seattle. Bernice is a volunteer at the conference. The party will be held in the community room of their condo at 737 Olive Way, just a short walking distance >from the Sheraton. During the party, I will be giving a slide presentation, taking you on a contemporary photographic journey back to the shtetl to explore our roots, and to unlock the mysteries of Jewish life in Lithuania, Poland and neighbouring countries. The presentation is called LITVAKS ON THE MOVE. RSVP to kegelfam@gmail.com is required. For more info, visit: http://elirab.me/litvak-portal/south-african-shtetl/ Best regards Eli Rabinowitz Perth, Australia eli@elirab.com
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica South African Tea Party In Seattle
#southafrica
Dear SA SIGgers
Are you visiting Seattle for the IAJGS conference in August? You're invited to a South African Tea Party on Saturday, August 6th >from 2 to 5pm. Our hosts are Bernice & Wally Kegel, members of the ex pat South African Jewish community in Seattle. Bernice is a volunteer at the conference. The party will be held in the community room of their condo at 737 Olive Way, just a short walking distance >from the Sheraton. During the party, I will be giving a slide presentation, taking you on a contemporary photographic journey back to the shtetl to explore our roots, and to unlock the mysteries of Jewish life in Lithuania, Poland and neighbouring countries. The presentation is called LITVAKS ON THE MOVE. RSVP to kegelfam@gmail.com is required. For more info, visit: http://elirab.me/litvak-portal/south-african-shtetl/ Best regards Eli Rabinowitz Perth, Australia eli@elirab.com
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