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Re: Hebrew_Name_For_Mor/Moricz??
#hungary
HungarianRoots
Dear Martin,
As you suggested, there is not always a direct link between secular and Heb= rew names, but a secular Mor/Moricz/Moritz would usually be Moshe (not alwa= ys). However, I have seen some cases where a Moritz was a Meir or Meshulam. Also, sometimes a biblical name was the secular name of a person - just fou= nd a secular Samuel whose Hebrew name was Shimeon (Simon). If you want to be sure of his Hebrew name, you should either find his grave= or one of his children's that would have the name of the father. Regards, Karesz Vandor genealogist/historian/private tour guide Hungarian Roots web: www.hungarianroots.com e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com cell: +36-30-546-6950 Hello All -- I'm digging a little deeper into my Hungarian ancestors and am trying to fi= gure out the Hebrew name of my maternal GGGF M=C3=B3r/Moricz Feigenbaum, bo= rn in Borsi in the late 1840's. Are there certain Hebrew names more frequently associated with that name? = Any suggestions/theories welcome. (I realize there's not necessarily a relation between the Hebrew and vernac= ular first name). Thanks, Martin Kaminer New York ~~~~~~~~~
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Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Hebrew_Name_For_Mor/Moricz??
#hungary
HungarianRoots
Dear Martin,
As you suggested, there is not always a direct link between secular and Heb= rew names, but a secular Mor/Moricz/Moritz would usually be Moshe (not alwa= ys). However, I have seen some cases where a Moritz was a Meir or Meshulam. Also, sometimes a biblical name was the secular name of a person - just fou= nd a secular Samuel whose Hebrew name was Shimeon (Simon). If you want to be sure of his Hebrew name, you should either find his grave= or one of his children's that would have the name of the father. Regards, Karesz Vandor genealogist/historian/private tour guide Hungarian Roots web: www.hungarianroots.com e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com cell: +36-30-546-6950 Hello All -- I'm digging a little deeper into my Hungarian ancestors and am trying to fi= gure out the Hebrew name of my maternal GGGF M=C3=B3r/Moricz Feigenbaum, bo= rn in Borsi in the late 1840's. Are there certain Hebrew names more frequently associated with that name? = Any suggestions/theories welcome. (I realize there's not necessarily a relation between the Hebrew and vernac= ular first name). Thanks, Martin Kaminer New York ~~~~~~~~~
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JGSMD December 16 program announcement
#general
Jewish Genealogy Society of Maryland
Speaker: Lara Diamond Title: "Genetic Genealogy 101" Date and Time: Sunday, December 16, 2018, 1:30 p.m. Location: Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Rd, Pikesville, MD Please join us on Sunday, December 16, 2018, at 1:30 p.m., at the Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Road, Pikesville, to hear Lara Diamond present "Genetic Genealogy 101." This introduction to genetic genealogy-related DNA testing will cover the types of tests available (autosomal, yDNA, and mtDNA) and discuss the types of genealogical questions each can help to answer. The pros and cons of testing with various companies (particularly for autosomal testing) will be covered, as will strategies for transferring results from one company to others. You will learn what results will look likewith each type of test and what your initial steps should be once your results are in. This talk will also discuss the reliability of ethnicity estimates. Lara Diamond has been researching her family for more than 25 years, starting as a middle school student. She has traced all branches of her family multiple generations back in Europe, using Russian Empire-era and Austria-Hungarian Empire records. Most of her research is in modern-day Ukraine, with a smattering of Belarus and Poland. As she is an Ashkenazic Jew, she gets to have particular fun with her completely endogamous genome. She is president of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Maryland, leads JewishGen's Subcarpathian SIG, and is on JewishGen's Ukraine SIG's board of directors. She also runs multiple district- and town-focused projects to collect documentation to assist all those researching ancestors >from common towns. She blogs about DNA and her Eastern European research at http://larasgenealogy.blogspot.com . The program is free for paid members and $5 for non-members (applied to JGSMD membership fee) after their first meeting. Please check our web site at www.jgsmd.org for late updates and for the time, location, and program of future meetings. Susan Steeble Baltimore, MD JGSMD Public Relations
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSMD December 16 program announcement
#general
Jewish Genealogy Society of Maryland
Speaker: Lara Diamond Title: "Genetic Genealogy 101" Date and Time: Sunday, December 16, 2018, 1:30 p.m. Location: Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Rd, Pikesville, MD Please join us on Sunday, December 16, 2018, at 1:30 p.m., at the Pikesville Library's meeting room, 1301 Reisterstown Road, Pikesville, to hear Lara Diamond present "Genetic Genealogy 101." This introduction to genetic genealogy-related DNA testing will cover the types of tests available (autosomal, yDNA, and mtDNA) and discuss the types of genealogical questions each can help to answer. The pros and cons of testing with various companies (particularly for autosomal testing) will be covered, as will strategies for transferring results from one company to others. You will learn what results will look likewith each type of test and what your initial steps should be once your results are in. This talk will also discuss the reliability of ethnicity estimates. Lara Diamond has been researching her family for more than 25 years, starting as a middle school student. She has traced all branches of her family multiple generations back in Europe, using Russian Empire-era and Austria-Hungarian Empire records. Most of her research is in modern-day Ukraine, with a smattering of Belarus and Poland. As she is an Ashkenazic Jew, she gets to have particular fun with her completely endogamous genome. She is president of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Maryland, leads JewishGen's Subcarpathian SIG, and is on JewishGen's Ukraine SIG's board of directors. She also runs multiple district- and town-focused projects to collect documentation to assist all those researching ancestors >from common towns. She blogs about DNA and her Eastern European research at http://larasgenealogy.blogspot.com . The program is free for paid members and $5 for non-members (applied to JGSMD membership fee) after their first meeting. Please check our web site at www.jgsmd.org for late updates and for the time, location, and program of future meetings. Susan Steeble Baltimore, MD JGSMD Public Relations
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viewmate VM 70542 FRIEDRICH, Hungary c1918
#general
Adam Frederick <dradam@...>
photo identification
WW1 1916-1918. Italian Front. Hungarian army. Please provide information on the name of the army group, location any other details My grandfather pictured 2nd >from right Stephen FRIEDRICH born 1898 in Gorican near Cakovec, Hungary (current Croatia) and living in Rijecka / Fiume before WW1, was involved in communications, use of horses and use of telegraph. Was exposed to poison gas. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70542 Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thank you very much. Adam Frederick Melbourne, Australia.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen viewmate VM 70542 FRIEDRICH, Hungary c1918
#general
Adam Frederick <dradam@...>
photo identification
WW1 1916-1918. Italian Front. Hungarian army. Please provide information on the name of the army group, location any other details My grandfather pictured 2nd >from right Stephen FRIEDRICH born 1898 in Gorican near Cakovec, Hungary (current Croatia) and living in Rijecka / Fiume before WW1, was involved in communications, use of horses and use of telegraph. Was exposed to poison gas. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70542 Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thank you very much. Adam Frederick Melbourne, Australia.
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Romania Jewish tours?
#romania
SamPam Hausfather <hausfather@...>
I am planning a roots trip to Romania in May 2019 and considering
using a tour company that gives Jewish-themed tours. Does anyone have experience with tour companies in Romania? Any suggestions or sharing of experiences would be appreciated. Please respond in private so you can give me specific names. Also, considering stops in Bacau and Focsani as that appears to be where my grandfather was >from (Sam Hausvater, left 1901). Anyone have experiences visiting those towns? Anything to see in particular or contacts with the Jewish community? Thank you, Sam Hausfather Asheville, NC, USA
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Romania SIG #Romania Romania Jewish tours?
#romania
SamPam Hausfather <hausfather@...>
I am planning a roots trip to Romania in May 2019 and considering
using a tour company that gives Jewish-themed tours. Does anyone have experience with tour companies in Romania? Any suggestions or sharing of experiences would be appreciated. Please respond in private so you can give me specific names. Also, considering stops in Bacau and Focsani as that appears to be where my grandfather was >from (Sam Hausvater, left 1901). Anyone have experiences visiting those towns? Anything to see in particular or contacts with the Jewish community? Thank you, Sam Hausfather Asheville, NC, USA
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Looking for descendants of Orkovitch/Arkovitch and Bernstein, Mile End
#unitedkingdom
Laura Mayer
Hi there
I am trying to find family members >from the Jacob Orkovitch (Or Arkovitch) or Eve Orkovitch (Jacob's daughter) who was my 3x grand grandfather and great aunt and >from the descendants of Kate and Marks Bernstein (my great grandparents). I found out quite recently that my grand father - George Edward Jackson (known as Ted) was actually born Emanuel Bernstein to Kate and Marks and had brothers Aaron, Philip and Solomon and sisters Annie and Miriam. They lived in Mile End Old Town and Kate and the girls were seamstresses. I know Aaron and Emanuel were put in the Knights Hill Jewish Orphange after Marks' death but there is no leaving date. My mother talks about his brother Jack who was a barber in Golders Green she thinks, but there is no indication of a brother Jack. As 'Ted' created a new identity maybe so did Aaron ?? My nan talks about Grandad running away >from home to join the Navy during WW1 and was sent back as he was still too young - maybe he hot footed it >from 'the home' rather than home as such ? We know that when he couldn't join the British Navy he ran away to the States. At some point then he changed his whole identity. He talked about riding the trains and then he joined the Navy. The US Navy has no records of this but my Nan had a photo of him in his US Navy Uniform on a US boat so it definitely did happen! Of course we have no idea what name he used, if either of those two ! He also said he became naturalised and to celebrate had the Eagle tattooed on his back. He returned some time in or before 1922 to marry my Nan as George Edward Jackson. He then became a merchant seaman, then docker and had 6 children before dying in the 1950's due to a genetic heart condition (maybe so did Marks???). My mother remembers his mother and his sisters at his funeral calling him Manny. My grandmother was offered work by Kate also but refused as Grandad hated his mother so much - something to do with the stepfather. I have Jacob and Eve on the 1901 census then nothing! There is a Jacob travelling to the states in 1902 which says he is travelling with children and a German national but who knows if he lied (he is stated as Russian on the census) due to the political situation in Russia at that time to get into the States ? Maybe Grandad went to see him when he absconded to the States sometime around 1915? I have hit so many brick walls ! I do hope I can find out more here. Kind regards Laura Mayer MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately with family information. Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with the list.
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Looking for descendants of Orkovitch/Arkovitch and Bernstein, Mile End
#unitedkingdom
Laura Mayer
Hi there
I am trying to find family members >from the Jacob Orkovitch (Or Arkovitch) or Eve Orkovitch (Jacob's daughter) who was my 3x grand grandfather and great aunt and >from the descendants of Kate and Marks Bernstein (my great grandparents). I found out quite recently that my grand father - George Edward Jackson (known as Ted) was actually born Emanuel Bernstein to Kate and Marks and had brothers Aaron, Philip and Solomon and sisters Annie and Miriam. They lived in Mile End Old Town and Kate and the girls were seamstresses. I know Aaron and Emanuel were put in the Knights Hill Jewish Orphange after Marks' death but there is no leaving date. My mother talks about his brother Jack who was a barber in Golders Green she thinks, but there is no indication of a brother Jack. As 'Ted' created a new identity maybe so did Aaron ?? My nan talks about Grandad running away >from home to join the Navy during WW1 and was sent back as he was still too young - maybe he hot footed it >from 'the home' rather than home as such ? We know that when he couldn't join the British Navy he ran away to the States. At some point then he changed his whole identity. He talked about riding the trains and then he joined the Navy. The US Navy has no records of this but my Nan had a photo of him in his US Navy Uniform on a US boat so it definitely did happen! Of course we have no idea what name he used, if either of those two ! He also said he became naturalised and to celebrate had the Eagle tattooed on his back. He returned some time in or before 1922 to marry my Nan as George Edward Jackson. He then became a merchant seaman, then docker and had 6 children before dying in the 1950's due to a genetic heart condition (maybe so did Marks???). My mother remembers his mother and his sisters at his funeral calling him Manny. My grandmother was offered work by Kate also but refused as Grandad hated his mother so much - something to do with the stepfather. I have Jacob and Eve on the 1901 census then nothing! There is a Jacob travelling to the states in 1902 which says he is travelling with children and a German national but who knows if he lied (he is stated as Russian on the census) due to the political situation in Russia at that time to get into the States ? Maybe Grandad went to see him when he absconded to the States sometime around 1915? I have hit so many brick walls ! I do hope I can find out more here. Kind regards Laura Mayer MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately with family information. Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with the list.
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Goldes, Jonathan Mark
#southafrica
Saul Issroff
Trying to trace any family members of Jonathan Mark GOLDES (died
Toronto on/about July 13, 2018). His parents: Muriel Dorothy GOLDES and Anton Abe GOLDES Mother's maiden Name: Muriel Dorothy LICHTBLOW Born: December 29, 1922 in Edinburgh, Scotland Her Father: William Lichtblow Her Mother: Lily Lichtblow Anton Abe Goldes Born: December 22, 1917 at Johannesburg, South Africa His Father: Joseph Goldes Anton and Muriel Baum married at Golders Green Synagogue (Middlesex) on September 26, 1950. The Marriage Certificate gives her father as William KERNER---NOT Lichtblow so maybe the name was changed. Anton was in Radar section of SA forces WW2, then joined the Hagana and was one of the founders of the radar service in Israel. Post war went to Toronto. Was an engineer. Anton had two brothers in Bloemfontein, Isidore and Lenid (?Lionel), both bachelors and at least one sister, Lelava (in archival record), but probably known as Lena or Lizzie. Was married to a Sammy MEYERS and lived in Pretoria (divorced). Son Bruce MEYERS was sent to school in Bloemfontein. He would be in his late 70s now. Johnathan GOLDES had a sister, Sally, spinster, deceased. So, any information about any living relatives would be helpful. Please reply privately to my email and not to jewishgen Saul Issroff LONDON UK
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Goldes, Jonathan Mark
#southafrica
Saul Issroff
Trying to trace any family members of Jonathan Mark GOLDES (died
Toronto on/about July 13, 2018). His parents: Muriel Dorothy GOLDES and Anton Abe GOLDES Mother's maiden Name: Muriel Dorothy LICHTBLOW Born: December 29, 1922 in Edinburgh, Scotland Her Father: William Lichtblow Her Mother: Lily Lichtblow Anton Abe Goldes Born: December 22, 1917 at Johannesburg, South Africa His Father: Joseph Goldes Anton and Muriel Baum married at Golders Green Synagogue (Middlesex) on September 26, 1950. The Marriage Certificate gives her father as William KERNER---NOT Lichtblow so maybe the name was changed. Anton was in Radar section of SA forces WW2, then joined the Hagana and was one of the founders of the radar service in Israel. Post war went to Toronto. Was an engineer. Anton had two brothers in Bloemfontein, Isidore and Lenid (?Lionel), both bachelors and at least one sister, Lelava (in archival record), but probably known as Lena or Lizzie. Was married to a Sammy MEYERS and lived in Pretoria (divorced). Son Bruce MEYERS was sent to school in Bloemfontein. He would be in his late 70s now. Johnathan GOLDES had a sister, Sally, spinster, deceased. So, any information about any living relatives would be helpful. Please reply privately to my email and not to jewishgen Saul Issroff LONDON UK
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RootsTech 2019 Free Live Stream Schedule
#general
Jan Meisels Allen
For those not attending the 2019 RootsTech Conference in Salt Lake City,
Utah February 27-March 2, 2019, they are making select programs available for free by live streaming. There is a mix of DNA, Ancestry, FamilySearch, MyHeritage, Story Telling, Immigrant Ancestors, methodology and more!, To view the live streaming schedule see: https://www.rootstech.org/salt-lake/live-stream-schedule Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RootsTech 2019 Free Live Stream Schedule
#general
Jan Meisels Allen
For those not attending the 2019 RootsTech Conference in Salt Lake City,
Utah February 27-March 2, 2019, they are making select programs available for free by live streaming. There is a mix of DNA, Ancestry, FamilySearch, MyHeritage, Story Telling, Immigrant Ancestors, methodology and more!, To view the live streaming schedule see: https://www.rootstech.org/salt-lake/live-stream-schedule Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Re: Two sons with the same Hebrew name
#general
Jeffrey Knisbacher
I have an apparently similar situation. My great great great grandfather
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Shlomo Yeshaya TISSENBAUM, b. around 1822, and then married to a Dvosya (Dvora), had a son Chaim Leib b. 1854. and another son Chaim, b. 1869 to his wife Bessie. Assuming that Dvosya and Bessie were two different people, this is very similar to what is written below. If there were two different wives involved in each of these cases, I would assume that the two sons with the same name were named for different people, which should be "kosher". Jeff From: Jeremy Schuman <jeremyschuman@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:11:51 +0000
I have a question about naming traditions that I'd like to seek people's
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Two sons with the same Hebrew name
#general
Jeffrey Knisbacher
I have an apparently similar situation. My great great great grandfather
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Shlomo Yeshaya TISSENBAUM, b. around 1822, and then married to a Dvosya (Dvora), had a son Chaim Leib b. 1854. and another son Chaim, b. 1869 to his wife Bessie. Assuming that Dvosya and Bessie were two different people, this is very similar to what is written below. If there were two different wives involved in each of these cases, I would assume that the two sons with the same name were named for different people, which should be "kosher". Jeff From: Jeremy Schuman <jeremyschuman@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:11:51 +0000
I have a question about naming traditions that I'd like to seek people's
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GOLDES, Jonathan Mark
#general
Saul Issroff
Trying to trace any family members of Jonathan Mark GOLDES (died
Toronto on/about July13, 2018. His parents: Muriel Dorothy GOLDES and Anton Abe GOLDES Maiden Name: Muriel Dorothy LICHTBLOW Born: December 29, 1922 in Edinburgh Scotland Her Father: William Lichtblow Her Mother: Lily Lichtblow Anton Abe Goldes Born: December 22, 1917 at Johannesburg, South Africa His Father: Joseph Goldes Anton and Muriel Baum married at Golders Green Synagogue (Middlesex) on September 26, 1950. The Marriage Certificate gives her father as William KERNER---**not** Lichtblow so maybe the name was changed. Anton was in Radar section of SA forces WW2, then joined the Hagana and was one of the founders o the radar service in Israel. Post war went to Toronto. was an engineer. Anton had two brothers in Bloemfontein, Isidore and Lenid (?Lionel). both bachelors and at least one sister Lelava ( in archival record) but probably known as Lena or Lizzie was married to a Sammy MEYERS and lived in Pretoria (divorced). Son Bruce MEYERS was sent to school in Bloemfontein. he would be in his late 70s now. Johnathan GOLDES had a sister, Sally, spinster, deceased. So, any information about any living relatives would be helpful. Please reply privately to my email and not to Jewishgen Saul Issroff LONDON UK
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GOLDES, Jonathan Mark
#general
Saul Issroff
Trying to trace any family members of Jonathan Mark GOLDES (died
Toronto on/about July13, 2018. His parents: Muriel Dorothy GOLDES and Anton Abe GOLDES Maiden Name: Muriel Dorothy LICHTBLOW Born: December 29, 1922 in Edinburgh Scotland Her Father: William Lichtblow Her Mother: Lily Lichtblow Anton Abe Goldes Born: December 22, 1917 at Johannesburg, South Africa His Father: Joseph Goldes Anton and Muriel Baum married at Golders Green Synagogue (Middlesex) on September 26, 1950. The Marriage Certificate gives her father as William KERNER---**not** Lichtblow so maybe the name was changed. Anton was in Radar section of SA forces WW2, then joined the Hagana and was one of the founders o the radar service in Israel. Post war went to Toronto. was an engineer. Anton had two brothers in Bloemfontein, Isidore and Lenid (?Lionel). both bachelors and at least one sister Lelava ( in archival record) but probably known as Lena or Lizzie was married to a Sammy MEYERS and lived in Pretoria (divorced). Son Bruce MEYERS was sent to school in Bloemfontein. he would be in his late 70s now. Johnathan GOLDES had a sister, Sally, spinster, deceased. So, any information about any living relatives would be helpful. Please reply privately to my email and not to Jewishgen Saul Issroff LONDON UK
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This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page
#general
Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
While it is natural to be the most interested in Yizkor book excerpts >from towns
with which JewishGen Facebook followers have roots, there are many accounts I come across that are such vivid and detailed depictions of what life was like in a shtetl that I hope you enjoy them as much as I do. "Life in Jewish Tluste," a small town in eastern Galicia now part of Ukraine, has such a chapter. Dr. Abraham Stupp, the author, who was born in 1897, saw himself as straddling the generations between those who lived there at the turn of the 19th century and those who soon after had to face the hardships of World War 1 and the horrors of the Holocaust. A large part of his remembrances recount the schooling of young people like himself, but for this excerpt I have picked out the parts that provide portraits of daily life - the market days, the various classes of merchants and tradesmen (plus the not-to-be-trifled with "women hagglers"), the celebration of the Sabbath, what people wore, what they ate and the changes that occurred with the coming of the war. He ends his story with this reverie: "And only in this period, which is both tragic and full of glory - the period when one-third of the Jewish nation was killed in such a cruel way, in which the independent sovereign nation of Israel was established - I came to the correct understanding of the Gemara words: - May the Messiah arrive - but my soul will not see him coming. Our generation was witness to the destruction of two different kinds of Polish Jews. It was destined to live in a sea of troubles, blood and tears, in a way that no other generation had experienced before." URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/2045532742135537?__tn__=K-R Bruce Drake Silver Spring MD Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page
#general
Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
While it is natural to be the most interested in Yizkor book excerpts >from towns
with which JewishGen Facebook followers have roots, there are many accounts I come across that are such vivid and detailed depictions of what life was like in a shtetl that I hope you enjoy them as much as I do. "Life in Jewish Tluste," a small town in eastern Galicia now part of Ukraine, has such a chapter. Dr. Abraham Stupp, the author, who was born in 1897, saw himself as straddling the generations between those who lived there at the turn of the 19th century and those who soon after had to face the hardships of World War 1 and the horrors of the Holocaust. A large part of his remembrances recount the schooling of young people like himself, but for this excerpt I have picked out the parts that provide portraits of daily life - the market days, the various classes of merchants and tradesmen (plus the not-to-be-trifled with "women hagglers"), the celebration of the Sabbath, what people wore, what they ate and the changes that occurred with the coming of the war. He ends his story with this reverie: "And only in this period, which is both tragic and full of glory - the period when one-third of the Jewish nation was killed in such a cruel way, in which the independent sovereign nation of Israel was established - I came to the correct understanding of the Gemara words: - May the Messiah arrive - but my soul will not see him coming. Our generation was witness to the destruction of two different kinds of Polish Jews. It was destined to live in a sea of troubles, blood and tears, in a way that no other generation had experienced before." URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/2045532742135537?__tn__=K-R Bruce Drake Silver Spring MD Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel
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