I am trying to understand where my family came >from in Romania.

They came under the names BRALOWER/BRALVER/BROLIVER. In fact, I found that
every single person with this name in the United States is related to me. While
I found everyone in the US, I'm not sure where to look in Romania. The problem
is that I'm not sure where they came >from in Romania.

Each member of the family listed a different place. I was always told they came

from Bucharest. My mother said that her grandmother told her that she came
from there.

Here is what different members of the family had listed for their place of
residence or place of birth in their Ellis Island records.
Morris -- Dorohoj (place of residence -- ship's passenger list)
Samuel -- Bovsiany (place of residence -- ship's passenger list) [Botosani]
Simon -- Betosany (passenger list) [Botosani]
Adolph -- Dulcesh/Dulcesti/Bulcesti? (place of residence -- original passenger
list)
-- Crawa/Craiva (place of residence -- subsequent passenger list)
-- Botnvani (place of birth -- subsequent passenger list) [Botosani]
-- Craiora (place of birth -- subsequent passenger list)
-- Bukarest (place of birth -- subsequent passenger list) [Bucharest]
The other family members records do not list the city of origin.

How can I confirm where they are from? How can I find records in Romania to
prove this?

The matriarch of the family, my g-g-g-grandmother had the maiden name WEINER.

Thanks,
David

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I am trying to understand where my family came >from in Romania.

They came under the names BRALOWER/BRALVER/BROLIVER. In fact, I found that
every single person with this name in the United States is related to me. While
I found everyone in the US, I'm not sure where to look in Romania. The problem
is that I'm not sure where they came >from in Romania.

Each member of the family listed a different place. I was always told they came

from Bucharest. My mother said that her grandmother told her that she came
from there.

Here is what different members of the family had listed for their place of
residence or place of birth in their Ellis Island records.
Morris -- Dorohoj (place of residence -- ship's passenger list)
Samuel -- Bovsiany (place of residence -- ship's passenger list) [Botosani]
Simon -- Betosany (passenger list) [Botosani]
Adolph -- Dulcesh/Dulcesti/Bulcesti? (place of residence -- original passenger
list)
-- Crawa/Craiva (place of residence -- subsequent passenger list)
-- Botnvani (place of birth -- subsequent passenger list) [Botosani]
-- Craiora (place of birth -- subsequent passenger list)
-- Bukarest (place of birth -- subsequent passenger list) [Bucharest]
The other family members records do not list the city of origin.

How can I confirm where they are from? How can I find records in Romania to
prove this?

The matriarch of the family, my g-g-g-grandmother had the maiden name WEINER.

Thanks,
David

MODERATOR NOTE: One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites is the JewishGen
Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more and more
frequently. If you have not already done so, please log onto
www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter and register
all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you learn about more
names and places of origin, they can always be added, but only **you** can keep
your own listings up to date.

And please always sign you messages with you full name and place of residence(city,
state or country)

Dear Darlene Ehrenberg et al,

I wasn't sure >from your post where in Ukraine the Yaruga caves are.
On Google, I couldn't find much for "Yaruga" caves except the
geological report at the end of the links listed below, and lots for
Yuruga caves in Australia. But I recalled recently seeing an article
on a situation such as your family's, one most of us weren't familiar
with, and was able to find it.

These might not be the caves you refer to, but the detailed
experiences in these articles may be of great interest as you search
for your specific caves. (Nor did I check the names so I can't say
if your family names appeared.) The two National Geographic links are
to two different articles on the same place.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0406/excerpt4.html
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0406/q_n_a.html
http://www.thecommunicator.org/julyaugust04/caveman.htm
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/198726p-171554c.html
http://expo.vin.com.ua/en/main/geology

Distant relatives of mine hid in the forests around Minkovtsi in
S-western Ukraine, and I've heard one or two stories about that. But
I can't recall caves, which would have been much more dreadful.

I hope the links above are of some use. You may want too search
Google and Yahoo, not to mention JewishGen for "Holocaust survivors
caves" or similar. Best wishes for good luck.

Michelle Frager, NY area
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/snitkov/ShtetLinksSnitkov_Index.htm
TREIGER (FRAGER), SIROTA, ZEKTSER, BRONSHTEIN, SIBELBERG (not
Silberberg), in Ukraine/Bess.
WOLFSON, FRAKT, KLAVIR in Belarus/Lith.


--- alicebg@... wrote: ----------------------------

Dear Darlene Ehrenberg et al,

I wasn't sure >from your post where in Ukraine the Yaruga caves are.
On Google, I couldn't find much for "Yaruga" caves except the
geological report at the end of the links listed below, and lots for
Yuruga caves in Australia. But I recalled recently seeing an article
on a situation such as your family's, one most of us weren't familiar
with, and was able to find it.

These might not be the caves you refer to, but the detailed
experiences in these articles may be of great interest as you search
for your specific caves. (Nor did I check the names so I can't say
if your family names appeared.) The two National Geographic links are
to two different articles on the same place.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0406/excerpt4.html
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0406/q_n_a.html
http://www.thecommunicator.org/julyaugust04/caveman.htm
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/198726p-171554c.html
http://expo.vin.com.ua/en/main/geology

Distant relatives of mine hid in the forests around Minkovtsi in
S-western Ukraine, and I've heard one or two stories about that. But
I can't recall caves, which would have been much more dreadful.

I hope the links above are of some use. You may want too search
Google and Yahoo, not to mention JewishGen for "Holocaust survivors
caves" or similar. Best wishes for good luck.

Michelle Frager, NY area
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/snitkov/ShtetLinksSnitkov_Index.htm
TREIGER (FRAGER), SIROTA, ZEKTSER, BRONSHTEIN, SIBELBERG (not
Silberberg), in Ukraine/Bess.
WOLFSON, FRAKT, KLAVIR in Belarus/Lith.


--- alicebg@... wrote: ----------------------------

The source for generations 1 through 8 is "Otzar haGedolim"; burials
mentioned for Krakow are >from Balaban; the descendants of those from
generation 9 are >from Otzar haRabbanim

1. Rabbi Israel of Krems (14th century) author of HaGahot Asheri.
The story of Unetanna Tokef that we relate at Rosh HaShana with the
martyrdom of Amnon of Mainz was passed on through him and attributed
by him to Isaac of Vienna's Or Zarua.

2. Haim of Henborg

3. Rabbi Petatiah ASHKENAZI (13__-died by 1405) m. sister of Rabbi
Aaron BLUMLEIN(d.1421). Aaron's father is not known but he took his
surname >from his mother's name, Blumel or Plumel. Petatiah died
while his son was a minor. Petatiah's wife and her brother were
murdered March 12, 1421 in Neustadt. Aaron BLUMLEIN is also
described as one of the martyrs burned at Enns.

4. Rabbi Israel ISSERLIN II aka Israel MARBURGER (1390-1460) m.
Shandelin niece of Rabbi Sholom of Wiener-Neustat (he fl 1380) who
was the son of Rabbi Isaac Zakel who was the son of Rabbi Judah Katz
of Vienna. Judah Katz is said to be the son-in-law of Rabenu Sholom
the maternal grandson of Rabbi Baruch of Rothenburg.

Israel ISSERLIN is the subject of an English language biography in
Jewish Encyclopedia (see jewishencyclopedia.com). He was author of
Trumat haDarshan. He is thought to have been born at Regensburg,
educated in Neustadt at Aaron BLUMLEIN's Yeshiva, moved to Northern
Italy then to Marburg in Austria's Styria where he was the leading
rabbi >from 1427. In 1440s he returned to Neustadt where he lived
until his death in 1460s. He refers to his great-grandfather Israel
of Krems, his father Petatiah, his uncle Aaron BLUMLEIN ha Kadosh,
in his writings. He wrote over 250 responsa and was considered the
preeminent authority of his day.

5. Haim sometimes called Haim of Henborg II. See Note for Petatiah
GOLDMAN

6. Petatiah GOLDMAN also called Kokel Goldman (1480s)
This is a note >from the writer of this email, Deborah Glassman, not
to be blamed on any other source - but it would seem to be worth
confirming that Haim of Henborg and Petatiah Goldman were two
separate people. Israel ISSERLIN, the Trumat Darshan, lost his father
when he was a child. It would be expected that he named his first
son for that father Petatiah. The name of a man who died before he
was forty was in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries (not
stating that this was necessarily so in the fifteenth century)
modified before giving it to an infant. Haim Petatiah would be one
of the typical forms found in later years. An original document with
both persons mentioned, or Petatiah mentioned after Haim is
described as deceased would be conclusive. Petatiah does not appear
in the cemetery in Krakow where his son's family is buried. Petatiah
is said to be named GOLDMAN >from the name of his wife, mother, or
mother-in-law. If he is identical to Haim son of Israel ISSERLIN,
then his mother would be Shandelin, but his wife and mother-in-law
still unaccounted for.

7. Joseph (sometimes written Joseph ISSERLIN) m.Gittel AUERBACH (she
d. 1552, buried Krakow) daughter of Moshe AUERBACH-ISERLIN and of
Moshe AUERBACH's wife Mushkat daughter of Israel ISERLIN (presumed
to be Israel ISSERLIN the Trumat Darshan). Moshe AUERBACH is said to
be the son of Tevele aka David a nephew of Rabbi Sholom of Vienna
(it is not clear in my notes if the note re Tevele is >from Otzar
Gedolim)

8. Israel aka Isserl Lazars aka Israel ISSERLIN (1490s-died 1553,
buried Krakow) m. Dina Malka Shrentzels called Malka (d.1552 buried
Krakow) daughter of Eliezer Shrentzels and Drusila/Dreisel Luria -
Dreisel d.1560 Krakow). Israel was a leading banker and merchant and
he built the synagogue called for his son the REMA synagogue.
[Had children including Moses ISSERLES, Isaac Bogatym,
Eliezer ISSERLES, Miriam Bella who married Pinchas HOROWITZ].

9. Rabbi Moshe ISSERLES 1520-1572
m1. Golda bat Shalom Shakna of Lublin (her dates 1532-1552,
buried Krakow cemetery)
m2. dtr of Mordechai Gershon Katz her father called Gershon,
her brother Joseph author of Sherit Yosef is frequently referred to
as Moses' brother-in-law.

10. Dreisel (Drusila) 1562-1602 m. Simha Bunem MEISELS (d.1624) The
Dreisel who is buried in Krakow Cemetery 1560 is Moses ISSERLES's
grandmother, not his daughter as sometimes attributed.

Dreisel bat Moshe ISSERLES is clearly the daughter of Ms. Katz, as
Moshe's first wife pre-deceased Dreisel's namesake great-grandmother

11. Rabbi Isaac Rabbi Bunems (died in Pinsk?) m. Miss ___ MEISELS
bat Abraham b. Joseph MEISELS (Abraham died Heshvan 1600) His wife
was also a MEISELS, daughter of Labe MEISELS

12. Rabbi Benjamin Wolf MEISELS aka Rabbi Wolf VILNER brother of
Moshe The Mahardura Batra

13.Yentil Leah MEISELS m. Rabbi Shabatei Kohen haSHiK (1621-1662)
Shabatei's children referenced in Otzar haRabanim: (The names of
the daughters are >from other sources)
a daughter Tuba who married Rabbi David KATBEN(she died Nisan
1717 in Zolkiew)
a daughter or sister who married Rabbi Isaac Kohen of the
EISENSTADT family, no surname used (the father of Meir, Pnei Meor),
[in Daat Kedoshim she is called Esther sister of Shabatei]. She is
Isaac EISENSTADT's 2nd wife, married in 1656 Vienna. If she is in
fact the daughter of Shabatei, she is also attriobuted with the
following marriage:
a daughter Esther who married Menahem Meinish CHAIT. The CHAITs
had a daughter who married Pinchas who in turn was the father-in-law
of Rabbi Hananiah Lipman MEISELS
a daughter Yochaved who married Rabbi Aaron MAGOZ-ZVI
a son Rabbi Moshe KATZ who married ITTINGER

Hope this helps.

Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park PA

Researching the rabbinical lines of Khmelnik including all of the
Avrum Dovs of Khmelnik, Yakov Yisrael HALPRIN of Khmelnik, Abraham
Isaac SOLOMON of Khmelnik; Shlomo Meir Tucker of Kovno guberniya;
Rabbi Avrum David ZABARSKA aka TRATSCHER of Ostropol; Rabbi Gedaliah
of Linetz.

The source for generations 1 through 8 is "Otzar haGedolim"; burials
mentioned for Krakow are >from Balaban; the descendants of those from
generation 9 are >from Otzar haRabbanim

1. Rabbi Israel of Krems (14th century) author of HaGahot Asheri.
The story of Unetanna Tokef that we relate at Rosh HaShana with the
martyrdom of Amnon of Mainz was passed on through him and attributed
by him to Isaac of Vienna's Or Zarua.

2. Haim of Henborg

3. Rabbi Petatiah ASHKENAZI (13__-died by 1405) m. sister of Rabbi
Aaron BLUMLEIN(d.1421). Aaron's father is not known but he took his
surname >from his mother's name, Blumel or Plumel. Petatiah died
while his son was a minor. Petatiah's wife and her brother were
murdered March 12, 1421 in Neustadt. Aaron BLUMLEIN is also
described as one of the martyrs burned at Enns.

4. Rabbi Israel ISSERLIN II aka Israel MARBURGER (1390-1460) m.
Shandelin niece of Rabbi Sholom of Wiener-Neustat (he fl 1380) who
was the son of Rabbi Isaac Zakel who was the son of Rabbi Judah Katz
of Vienna. Judah Katz is said to be the son-in-law of Rabenu Sholom
the maternal grandson of Rabbi Baruch of Rothenburg.

Israel ISSERLIN is the subject of an English language biography in
Jewish Encyclopedia (see jewishencyclopedia.com). He was author of
Trumat haDarshan. He is thought to have been born at Regensburg,
educated in Neustadt at Aaron BLUMLEIN's Yeshiva, moved to Northern
Italy then to Marburg in Austria's Styria where he was the leading
rabbi >from 1427. In 1440s he returned to Neustadt where he lived
until his death in 1460s. He refers to his great-grandfather Israel
of Krems, his father Petatiah, his uncle Aaron BLUMLEIN ha Kadosh,
in his writings. He wrote over 250 responsa and was considered the
preeminent authority of his day.

5. Haim sometimes called Haim of Henborg II. See Note for Petatiah
GOLDMAN

6. Petatiah GOLDMAN also called Kokel Goldman (1480s)
This is a note >from the writer of this email, Deborah Glassman, not
to be blamed on any other source - but it would seem to be worth
confirming that Haim of Henborg and Petatiah Goldman were two
separate people. Israel ISSERLIN, the Trumat Darshan, lost his father
when he was a child. It would be expected that he named his first
son for that father Petatiah. The name of a man who died before he
was forty was in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries (not
stating that this was necessarily so in the fifteenth century)
modified before giving it to an infant. Haim Petatiah would be one
of the typical forms found in later years. An original document with
both persons mentioned, or Petatiah mentioned after Haim is
described as deceased would be conclusive. Petatiah does not appear
in the cemetery in Krakow where his son's family is buried. Petatiah
is said to be named GOLDMAN >from the name of his wife, mother, or
mother-in-law. If he is identical to Haim son of Israel ISSERLIN,
then his mother would be Shandelin, but his wife and mother-in-law
still unaccounted for.

7. Joseph (sometimes written Joseph ISSERLIN) m.Gittel AUERBACH (she
d. 1552, buried Krakow) daughter of Moshe AUERBACH-ISERLIN and of
Moshe AUERBACH's wife Mushkat daughter of Israel ISERLIN (presumed
to be Israel ISSERLIN the Trumat Darshan). Moshe AUERBACH is said to
be the son of Tevele aka David a nephew of Rabbi Sholom of Vienna
(it is not clear in my notes if the note re Tevele is >from Otzar
Gedolim)

8. Israel aka Isserl Lazars aka Israel ISSERLIN (1490s-died 1553,
buried Krakow) m. Dina Malka Shrentzels called Malka (d.1552 buried
Krakow) daughter of Eliezer Shrentzels and Drusila/Dreisel Luria -
Dreisel d.1560 Krakow). Israel was a leading banker and merchant and
he built the synagogue called for his son the REMA synagogue.
[Had children including Moses ISSERLES, Isaac Bogatym,
Eliezer ISSERLES, Miriam Bella who married Pinchas HOROWITZ].

9. Rabbi Moshe ISSERLES 1520-1572
m1. Golda bat Shalom Shakna of Lublin (her dates 1532-1552,
buried Krakow cemetery)
m2. dtr of Mordechai Gershon Katz her father called Gershon,
her brother Joseph author of Sherit Yosef is frequently referred to
as Moses' brother-in-law.

10. Dreisel (Drusila) 1562-1602 m. Simha Bunem MEISELS (d.1624) The
Dreisel who is buried in Krakow Cemetery 1560 is Moses ISSERLES's
grandmother, not his daughter as sometimes attributed.

Dreisel bat Moshe ISSERLES is clearly the daughter of Ms. Katz, as
Moshe's first wife pre-deceased Dreisel's namesake great-grandmother

11. Rabbi Isaac Rabbi Bunems (died in Pinsk?) m. Miss ___ MEISELS
bat Abraham b. Joseph MEISELS (Abraham died Heshvan 1600) His wife
was also a MEISELS, daughter of Labe MEISELS

12. Rabbi Benjamin Wolf MEISELS aka Rabbi Wolf VILNER brother of
Moshe The Mahardura Batra

13.Yentil Leah MEISELS m. Rabbi Shabatei Kohen haSHiK (1621-1662)
Shabatei's children referenced in Otzar haRabanim: (The names of
the daughters are >from other sources)
a daughter Tuba who married Rabbi David KATBEN(she died Nisan
1717 in Zolkiew)
a daughter or sister who married Rabbi Isaac Kohen of the
EISENSTADT family, no surname used (the father of Meir, Pnei Meor),
[in Daat Kedoshim she is called Esther sister of Shabatei]. She is
Isaac EISENSTADT's 2nd wife, married in 1656 Vienna. If she is in
fact the daughter of Shabatei, she is also attriobuted with the
following marriage:
a daughter Esther who married Menahem Meinish CHAIT. The CHAITs
had a daughter who married Pinchas who in turn was the father-in-law
of Rabbi Hananiah Lipman MEISELS
a daughter Yochaved who married Rabbi Aaron MAGOZ-ZVI
a son Rabbi Moshe KATZ who married ITTINGER

Hope this helps.

Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park PA

Researching the rabbinical lines of Khmelnik including all of the
Avrum Dovs of Khmelnik, Yakov Yisrael HALPRIN of Khmelnik, Abraham
Isaac SOLOMON of Khmelnik; Shlomo Meir Tucker of Kovno guberniya;
Rabbi Avrum David ZABARSKA aka TRATSCHER of Ostropol; Rabbi Gedaliah
of Linetz.

Dear Kherson friends,
This is a call for volunteers to help compile a list of towns in our KHERSON
Gubernya for the GDB (Geographical Data Base) that is a link on the UKR SIG
site on Jewishgen.org. Please go to the following address :
http://www2.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/Podolia/gdp_database.htm
or follow the UKR site to Podolia to see an example of what we have been
asked to update or compile. Click onto the xls. file on the left sidebar to
see a finished product. Can we do this for Kherson Gub.?

Thanks for your time and attention.

Andrea Massion
Kherson Gubernia Coordinator
<ALMassion@...>

researching Massion&Smaltz in Ananiev UKR, Greenspoon and
Tigay in Balta and Uman, Ourin(son) and Katznelson in Bobroisk. Asrican,
Michaelson, Brevdy.

Dear Kherson friends,
This is a call for volunteers to help compile a list of towns in our KHERSON
Gubernya for the GDB (Geographical Data Base) that is a link on the UKR SIG
site on Jewishgen.org. Please go to the following address :
http://www2.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/Podolia/gdp_database.htm
or follow the UKR site to Podolia to see an example of what we have been
asked to update or compile. Click onto the xls. file on the left sidebar to
see a finished product. Can we do this for Kherson Gub.?

Thanks for your time and attention.

Andrea Massion
Kherson Gubernia Coordinator
<ALMassion@...>

researching Massion&Smaltz in Ananiev UKR, Greenspoon and
Tigay in Balta and Uman, Ourin(son) and Katznelson in Bobroisk. Asrican,
Michaelson, Brevdy.

At 01:01 AM 08/18/2004 Robert Sherins wrote:

>Eleven chapters of the texts >from the towns have been photocopied and
>digitized to permit the arrangements for transmission of the documents
>for English translations. <snip>

>This is a grand opportunity to obtain significant
>information about other towns that had Jewish communities and to arrange
>for the publication of the English translations. Joyce Field is the
>project director of the Yizkor Book Project. I urge you all to invest
>your energies into this very worthy project and donate your translated
>works for the benefit of all genealogical researchers. Get other members
>of your families to join in the project.

I think that this sounds like a great idea and I thank Sherins for bringing
it to our attention but I am confused about several things.

I would be willing to try to translate portions of this work on towns of
interest to me, specifically, pages devoted to Dumbraveni (V. 2, pp 347
ff), Soroca (V. 2, pp 372 ff), and Moghilev (V. 1, pp 461 ff). But I have
no idea how Sherins proposes that this should be accomplished. I also
don't understand what Sherins means by "I have been able to locate a
complete copy of the Pinkas ha-Kehilot Romanyah, Volume 18". If this is
only a 2 volume set, what does he mean by Volume 18?

Are potential volunteers supposed to try to obtain a copy of this work in
their own libraries? Which 11 chapters have been copied and digitized and
will they be made available to translators? Can other chapters be copied
and made available?




Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@...

At 01:01 AM 08/18/2004 Robert Sherins wrote:

>Eleven chapters of the texts >from the towns have been photocopied and
>digitized to permit the arrangements for transmission of the documents
>for English translations. <snip>

>This is a grand opportunity to obtain significant
>information about other towns that had Jewish communities and to arrange
>for the publication of the English translations. Joyce Field is the
>project director of the Yizkor Book Project. I urge you all to invest
>your energies into this very worthy project and donate your translated
>works for the benefit of all genealogical researchers. Get other members
>of your families to join in the project.

I think that this sounds like a great idea and I thank Sherins for bringing
it to our attention but I am confused about several things.

I would be willing to try to translate portions of this work on towns of
interest to me, specifically, pages devoted to Dumbraveni (V. 2, pp 347
ff), Soroca (V. 2, pp 372 ff), and Moghilev (V. 1, pp 461 ff). But I have
no idea how Sherins proposes that this should be accomplished. I also
don't understand what Sherins means by "I have been able to locate a
complete copy of the Pinkas ha-Kehilot Romanyah, Volume 18". If this is
only a 2 volume set, what does he mean by Volume 18?

Are potential volunteers supposed to try to obtain a copy of this work in
their own libraries? Which 11 chapters have been copied and digitized and
will they be made available to translators? Can other chapters be copied
and made available?




Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@...

I stumbled across this on the internet:

http://www.indeks.karta.org.pl/wyszukiwanie.asp

It is a searchable database put together by a Polish
NGO called Karta. It contains the names and a few
vital details of Poles and other Polish Citizens (ie
Jews) detained by the Soviets in the 1940's, after the
Soviets invaded the western half of Poland. It is
based on information recently released >from Soviet
archives. The database includes many who were later
were in Ander's Army.

I found my uncle's name here. The first clue to his
fate that we have found in 65 years.

You can search by any of the following:

nazwisko - Last Name
imie - First Name
imie ojca - Father's First Name
data urodzenia - Date of Birth
Kategorja - Category of Repression

other useful terms:

Shukaj = Find
Wyczysc = Reset
proste = Simple
zaawansowane = Advanced
wyniki = Results
szczegoly = Details
pomoc = Help (in Polish)
wyszukiwanie = search

Hope this is useful.

Adam Teitelbaum, New York

Searching for:
Tejtelbaum, Tejtelboim, Engel, Horowic, Rapaport from
Goworowo.
Sierzantowicz, Szerzantowicz, Serzantowicz, Sztyft,
Goldberg, Herszkowic >from Lowicz & Lodz.
Wolman, Kobryner, Folman >from Warszawa.

MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in Polish.

I stumbled across this on the internet:

http://www.indeks.karta.org.pl/wyszukiwanie.asp

It is a searchable database put together by a Polish
NGO called Karta. It contains the names and a few
vital details of Poles and other Polish Citizens (ie
Jews) detained by the Soviets in the 1940's, after the
Soviets invaded the western half of Poland. It is
based on information recently released >from Soviet
archives. The database includes many who were later
were in Ander's Army.

I found my uncle's name here. The first clue to his
fate that we have found in 65 years.

You can search by any of the following:

nazwisko - Last Name
imie - First Name
imie ojca - Father's First Name
data urodzenia - Date of Birth
Kategorja - Category of Repression

other useful terms:

Shukaj = Find
Wyczysc = Reset
proste = Simple
zaawansowane = Advanced
wyniki = Results
szczegoly = Details
pomoc = Help (in Polish)
wyszukiwanie = search

Hope this is useful.

Adam Teitelbaum, New York

Searching for:
Tejtelbaum, Tejtelboim, Engel, Horowic, Rapaport from
Goworowo.
Sierzantowicz, Szerzantowicz, Serzantowicz, Sztyft,
Goldberg, Herszkowic >from Lowicz & Lodz.
Wolman, Kobryner, Folman >from Warszawa.

MODERATOR NOTE: The site is in Polish.

My great-grandfather's brother, Adolf DAUST, whose name was originally DAUS,
was born in about 1856, probably in Wongrowitz, Posen, Prussia (today:
Wagrowiec, Pila, Poland).

Adolf DAUST lived in St. Louis, Mo., >from 1883 through 1906, after which he
is believed to have returned to his homeland of Germany and lived in Berlin,
where he was the second president of the Wongrowitzer Landmanschaften.

During his time in St. Louis, Adolf married Henriette SACHS in St. Louis in
1884. They had two daughters, Mollie, born in about 1885, and Fannie, born
in about 1888.

For their first few years in St. Louis, Adolf had a store selling notions,
then he shifted to specializing in selling hats (in partnership with a man
named Theodore Marglous). (Adolf's brother, my great-grandfather Salo DAUST,
first appeared in St. Louis in 1895 as a dry goods store owner.)

By 1904, Adolph had move up in the world as he became the vice president of
the Washington National Bank in St. Louis, a position he held until 1905.

In that year, according to a ship's manifest on the Ellis Island
Foundation's database, Adolf and his wife and daughters returned >from a
visit to Europe. Adolf is listed as a U.S. citizen and "retired merchant"
whose "last permanent residence" is listed as Wongrowitz and whose "final
destination" is St. Louis, Mo.

If in 1906 he returned to Germany for good, I would like to find out if
anyone knows what became of his two daughters and whether they have any
living descendants. Did they go with him and his wife back to Germany or did
they stay in St. Louis or elsewhere in the U.S.? Mollie DAUST would have
been age 21 in 1906 and Fannie DAUST would have been age 18.

Martin Fischer Oak Park, Illinois
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/

My great-grandfather's brother, Adolf DAUST, whose name was originally DAUS,
was born in about 1856, probably in Wongrowitz, Posen, Prussia (today:
Wagrowiec, Pila, Poland).

Adolf DAUST lived in St. Louis, Mo., >from 1883 through 1906, after which he
is believed to have returned to his homeland of Germany and lived in Berlin,
where he was the second president of the Wongrowitzer Landmanschaften.

During his time in St. Louis, Adolf married Henriette SACHS in St. Louis in
1884. They had two daughters, Mollie, born in about 1885, and Fannie, born
in about 1888.

For their first few years in St. Louis, Adolf had a store selling notions,
then he shifted to specializing in selling hats (in partnership with a man
named Theodore Marglous). (Adolf's brother, my great-grandfather Salo DAUST,
first appeared in St. Louis in 1895 as a dry goods store owner.)

By 1904, Adolph had move up in the world as he became the vice president of
the Washington National Bank in St. Louis, a position he held until 1905.

In that year, according to a ship's manifest on the Ellis Island
Foundation's database, Adolf and his wife and daughters returned >from a
visit to Europe. Adolf is listed as a U.S. citizen and "retired merchant"
whose "last permanent residence" is listed as Wongrowitz and whose "final
destination" is St. Louis, Mo.

If in 1906 he returned to Germany for good, I would like to find out if
anyone knows what became of his two daughters and whether they have any
living descendants. Did they go with him and his wife back to Germany or did
they stay in St. Louis or elsewhere in the U.S.? Mollie DAUST would have
been age 21 in 1906 and Fannie DAUST would have been age 18.

Martin Fischer Oak Park, Illinois
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/

I am seeking information on and descendants of Alexander GROSZ, born 1869
in Serbia, and his wife Clara (nee GEISINGER), who lived in Vienna until
they gave notice of their departure to the USA in 1939. Their daughter
Gertrude (born 11th January 1909) and her husband Sigmund ACKERMANN (born
7th May 1906, died 1970) left for the USA in 1938. Sigmund lived in Queens,
where he later remarried. His Canadian wife Annette ACKERMANN outlived him.

If anyone knows of the GROSZ ACKERMANN families, please contact me. Thanks to all.

Anne Webber London <annewebber@...>

I am seeking information on and descendants of Alexander GROSZ, born 1869
in Serbia, and his wife Clara (nee GEISINGER), who lived in Vienna until
they gave notice of their departure to the USA in 1939. Their daughter
Gertrude (born 11th January 1909) and her husband Sigmund ACKERMANN (born
7th May 1906, died 1970) left for the USA in 1938. Sigmund lived in Queens,
where he later remarried. His Canadian wife Annette ACKERMANN outlived him.

If anyone knows of the GROSZ ACKERMANN families, please contact me. Thanks to all.

Anne Webber London <annewebber@...>

Greetings,
There will be several free Jewish genealogy programs for those in the
Connecticut area.

"Your Jewish Roots"
Tracking Your Immigrant Ancestors

Thursday, September 9, 2004 at 6:30 pm. at the Russell Library
123 Broad Street in Middletown CT.

A panel of three genealogist and members of the Jewish Genealogical Society
of Connecticut will help you uncover resources and offer advice. The panel
will consists of Jesse Nasta, Michael Palmer and Liz Whittaker. They will
provide strategies and essential records required to make the genealogical
jump back to the "old country".
The program is free however call 860.347.2520 to reserve your place.
***

"Jewish Genealogy on the Internet"

Wednesday, September 22, 6:30 pm.
Learn how to access vital records, ship manifest and additional resources.
This program will take place at the Computer Center at Russell Library
123 Broad Street In Middletown CT.
860.347.2520
Program is free but you must register to reserve your place.

Marcia Indianer Meyers
Vice President JGSCT
marciarthur@...

Greetings,
There will be several free Jewish genealogy programs for those in the
Connecticut area.

"Your Jewish Roots"
Tracking Your Immigrant Ancestors

Thursday, September 9, 2004 at 6:30 pm. at the Russell Library
123 Broad Street in Middletown CT.

A panel of three genealogist and members of the Jewish Genealogical Society
of Connecticut will help you uncover resources and offer advice. The panel
will consists of Jesse Nasta, Michael Palmer and Liz Whittaker. They will
provide strategies and essential records required to make the genealogical
jump back to the "old country".
The program is free however call 860.347.2520 to reserve your place.
***

"Jewish Genealogy on the Internet"

Wednesday, September 22, 6:30 pm.
Learn how to access vital records, ship manifest and additional resources.
This program will take place at the Computer Center at Russell Library
123 Broad Street In Middletown CT.
860.347.2520
Program is free but you must register to reserve your place.

Marcia Indianer Meyers
Vice President JGSCT
marciarthur@...

The Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society and JewishGen are pleased to
announce the addition of life cycle events >from 1922-1932 to the online
index of life cycle events >from the Houston Jewish Herald-Voice, which
previously covered 1908-1921.

Thanks to Michael Tobias and Warren Blatt of JewishGen for their major
assistance.

Mervin Rosenbaum-Baytown, TX
For The Jewish Herald-Voice Project Team

MODERATOR NOTE: The database can be searched at
http://www2.jewishgen.org/databases/USA/HoustonHeraldVoice.htm

The Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society and JewishGen are pleased to
announce the addition of life cycle events >from 1922-1932 to the online
index of life cycle events >from the Houston Jewish Herald-Voice, which
previously covered 1908-1921.

Thanks to Michael Tobias and Warren Blatt of JewishGen for their major
assistance.

Mervin Rosenbaum-Baytown, TX
For The Jewish Herald-Voice Project Team

MODERATOR NOTE: The database can be searched at
http://www2.jewishgen.org/databases/USA/HoustonHeraldVoice.htm