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Mail settings (RE: h-sig digest: August 13, 1998) #hungary

Margarita <uzidog@...>
 

Susan and others who are interested,


I am not getting any H-SIG mail except the digest. Any
suggestions? I did not
sign off.
If you want to receive individual messages and not the digest, send an e-mail
to:

listserv@...

in the body write:

set H-sig mail

If you want to see a copy of your message, send an e-mail to the same address.
In the body write:

set H-sig repro


Also, How can I get listed so it shows up in the headings with my real name
next to my screen name?
I have no idea. I guess you have to change something in your e-mail program.

Margarita Lackó
Belgrano
uzidog@...
Hungary SIG #Hungary Mail settings (RE: h-sig digest: August 13, 1998) #hungary

Margarita <uzidog@...>
 

Susan and others who are interested,


I am not getting any H-SIG mail except the digest. Any
suggestions? I did not
sign off.
If you want to receive individual messages and not the digest, send an e-mail
to:

listserv@...

in the body write:

set H-sig mail

If you want to see a copy of your message, send an e-mail to the same address.
In the body write:

set H-sig repro


Also, How can I get listed so it shows up in the headings with my real name
next to my screen name?
I have no idea. I guess you have to change something in your e-mail program.

Margarita Lackó
Belgrano
uzidog@...
oops #hungary

Rakoff125
 

I apologize to all for sending my item intended for Gabi to the digest
instead. I goofed. Linda Rakoff
Hungary SIG #Hungary oops #hungary

Rakoff125
 

I apologize to all for sending my item intended for Gabi to the digest
instead. I goofed. Linda Rakoff
Re: Aschners-for Linda Rackoff and Gabi Svatos #hungary

MGS18@...
 

on 8/15/98 1:40 AM h-sig@... wrote:

Subject: Re: Terezin Lists(Czech/Moravian)
From: Rakoff125@...
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:37:30 EDT
X-Message-Number: 5

Dear Gabi,
Thank you for doing the lookup. I'm sorry it took so long to get back to
you;
I am truly grateful. Regarding the Aschner surname...I am seeking Victor and
Sigmund Aschner of Vienna, possibly others whoose names I do not Know; I'd be
indebted to you for any information you might find on them and the surname.
Most sincerely, Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA
Gabi and Linda,
Came across an Aschner while doing my research-she is probabaly not
related to me but I'm passing on this info and the source-keep or delete
as you wish.

Data Source: NYC birth record October 1908 cert#55922
female infant named Rosa born on 23 Oct 1908 to Regina (maiden name
Aschner) age 35 est dob 1873 and Jonas Grosshandler age 53 est dob 1855.
Address in 1908 was 225 E. 121 St. both parents were born in Hungary. In
addition to Rosa, Regina and Jonas had 8 other children,
Benjamin,Mollie,Henry,Mary,Pauline,Sadie,Sam and Fannie (not necessarily
in that order). If you want to find more about Regina, I have an address
from the 1922 NYC directory:
850 So Blvd.(probably "Southern" Blvd.) apt. 2H (it's in Bronx Co.) in
case you want to check for them on the census. I met one of their
descendants (Iwas checking out the Grosshandler side) but the one I spoke
to didn't know much about the family's European roots (i.e. "I think they
were >from Budapest").
Good luck,
Mindy
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Aschners-for Linda Rackoff and Gabi Svatos #hungary

MGS18@...
 

on 8/15/98 1:40 AM h-sig@... wrote:

Subject: Re: Terezin Lists(Czech/Moravian)
From: Rakoff125@...
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:37:30 EDT
X-Message-Number: 5

Dear Gabi,
Thank you for doing the lookup. I'm sorry it took so long to get back to
you;
I am truly grateful. Regarding the Aschner surname...I am seeking Victor and
Sigmund Aschner of Vienna, possibly others whoose names I do not Know; I'd be
indebted to you for any information you might find on them and the surname.
Most sincerely, Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA
Gabi and Linda,
Came across an Aschner while doing my research-she is probabaly not
related to me but I'm passing on this info and the source-keep or delete
as you wish.

Data Source: NYC birth record October 1908 cert#55922
female infant named Rosa born on 23 Oct 1908 to Regina (maiden name
Aschner) age 35 est dob 1873 and Jonas Grosshandler age 53 est dob 1855.
Address in 1908 was 225 E. 121 St. both parents were born in Hungary. In
addition to Rosa, Regina and Jonas had 8 other children,
Benjamin,Mollie,Henry,Mary,Pauline,Sadie,Sam and Fannie (not necessarily
in that order). If you want to find more about Regina, I have an address
from the 1922 NYC directory:
850 So Blvd.(probably "Southern" Blvd.) apt. 2H (it's in Bronx Co.) in
case you want to check for them on the census. I met one of their
descendants (Iwas checking out the Grosshandler side) but the one I spoke
to didn't know much about the family's European roots (i.e. "I think they
were >from Budapest").
Good luck,
Mindy
Re: KATSENELSON from Rechitsa #belarus

Errol Feldman <boaz@...>
 

Try Shulamite Katznelson, Director Ulpan Akiva, Netanya and give her the
best regards >from Ariel and Miriam Feldman in Holland.
Gool Luck.

Errol Feldman


Yackov Berkun wrote:

I'm researching KATSENELSON family >from Rechitsa. Do you have some
information or lists of inhabitants >from there? Some experience with
archives?
Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: KATSENELSON from Rechitsa #belarus

Errol Feldman <boaz@...>
 

Try Shulamite Katznelson, Director Ulpan Akiva, Netanya and give her the
best regards >from Ariel and Miriam Feldman in Holland.
Gool Luck.

Errol Feldman


Yackov Berkun wrote:

I'm researching KATSENELSON family >from Rechitsa. Do you have some
information or lists of inhabitants >from there? Some experience with
archives?
Adolph Zucor #hungary

Bernice Shoobe <bshoobe@...>
 

Is anyone related to Adolph Zukor or do you know any of his family? bshoobe@...
Hungary SIG #Hungary Adolph Zucor #hungary

Bernice Shoobe <bshoobe@...>
 

Is anyone related to Adolph Zukor or do you know any of his family? bshoobe@...
Re: Confusion about Vilkomir Revision List Periods #lithuania

DBH12345@...
 

<<
Without arguing the SIGs decision to focus on the 1858 list (which
I gather was actually closed in 1876); (1) what are the
corresponding information dates included in the later Revision
lists?, (2) What is the fee for individual requests to the archives
for searches of these later less complete lists? and (3)Is data so
sparse in the later lists as to make success unlikely?

Forgive me if everyone else already understands this.

Mort Cohen, Rochester NY USA
(cohen@...)
>>

Dear Mort,

Sorry if I've confused you. The 1858 Revision List for Vilkomir includes a
few additional Revision Lists that were done throughout the year (so it is
more of an 1858 - 1859 List). It covers a more lengthy period in two ways:

a) references are included about various things that had happened since the
last Revision in 1850 (died, conscripted, moved, people missing with dates
when these things happened) - so this means it covers the 1851 - 1858/59
period and

b) after 1858 clerks made notations about some people (not about everyone) on
the same List for a number of years. I made these observations based on
preliminary examination of the Vilkomir Revision Lists - until they are
translated I would hesitate to guess how extensive these additional notes are.

The kind of thing that we've noticed in a couple of hours' examination
includes notations about rulings by the guberniya court, death, conscription,
change in membership in a guild, change in tax status, expulsion >from the
community, for a number of years after 1858. So altogether the single
Revision List covers a period of time rather than information about events in
a single year.

The Additional Revision Lists usually reported brides added to households, and
newborn children.

For information on the fees for individual searches and other relevant
information please consult the LitvakSIG FAQ's at our homepage:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak/>

As to data for later years being too sparse to warrant investigation - I
really don't know. But it doesn't matter. If you place an individual order,
the archivists will search ALL of the available revision lists and report to
you.

Keep in mind that the importance of the uyezd-wide Revision Lists is mostly
that they will offer information on a broad scope - All of the Jewish
households in Vilkomir uyezd-so you may find relatives in different households
that you might not otherwise know about. We are trying to acquire Revision
Lists for all fourteen of the districts. We know that it is unlikely that they
will all still be intact for the same years and we'll have to supplement these
lists with other Jewish Community records such as box tax payers and candle
tax payers lists. We know that many of our ancestors successfully avoided
being Listed (to protect their sons). But when we have finished, we will have
what will be the equivalent of a mid-19th Century census.

Supporting these projects will not complete the research you will probably
want to do. Most of us will still want to ask for individual searches which
will be more focused. You'll have enough information to order vital records
(birth, marriage, death certificates), specific Jewish community list
information, and so on.

Thanks to those of you who have offered additional support. We are getting
close to having enough funds to complete the translation of the Vilkomir
records.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Confusion about Vilkomir Revision List Periods #lithuania

DBH12345@...
 

<<
Without arguing the SIGs decision to focus on the 1858 list (which
I gather was actually closed in 1876); (1) what are the
corresponding information dates included in the later Revision
lists?, (2) What is the fee for individual requests to the archives
for searches of these later less complete lists? and (3)Is data so
sparse in the later lists as to make success unlikely?

Forgive me if everyone else already understands this.

Mort Cohen, Rochester NY USA
(cohen@...)
>>

Dear Mort,

Sorry if I've confused you. The 1858 Revision List for Vilkomir includes a
few additional Revision Lists that were done throughout the year (so it is
more of an 1858 - 1859 List). It covers a more lengthy period in two ways:

a) references are included about various things that had happened since the
last Revision in 1850 (died, conscripted, moved, people missing with dates
when these things happened) - so this means it covers the 1851 - 1858/59
period and

b) after 1858 clerks made notations about some people (not about everyone) on
the same List for a number of years. I made these observations based on
preliminary examination of the Vilkomir Revision Lists - until they are
translated I would hesitate to guess how extensive these additional notes are.

The kind of thing that we've noticed in a couple of hours' examination
includes notations about rulings by the guberniya court, death, conscription,
change in membership in a guild, change in tax status, expulsion >from the
community, for a number of years after 1858. So altogether the single
Revision List covers a period of time rather than information about events in
a single year.

The Additional Revision Lists usually reported brides added to households, and
newborn children.

For information on the fees for individual searches and other relevant
information please consult the LitvakSIG FAQ's at our homepage:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak/>

As to data for later years being too sparse to warrant investigation - I
really don't know. But it doesn't matter. If you place an individual order,
the archivists will search ALL of the available revision lists and report to
you.

Keep in mind that the importance of the uyezd-wide Revision Lists is mostly
that they will offer information on a broad scope - All of the Jewish
households in Vilkomir uyezd-so you may find relatives in different households
that you might not otherwise know about. We are trying to acquire Revision
Lists for all fourteen of the districts. We know that it is unlikely that they
will all still be intact for the same years and we'll have to supplement these
lists with other Jewish Community records such as box tax payers and candle
tax payers lists. We know that many of our ancestors successfully avoided
being Listed (to protect their sons). But when we have finished, we will have
what will be the equivalent of a mid-19th Century census.

Supporting these projects will not complete the research you will probably
want to do. Most of us will still want to ask for individual searches which
will be more focused. You'll have enough information to order vital records
(birth, marriage, death certificates), specific Jewish community list
information, and so on.

Thanks to those of you who have offered additional support. We are getting
close to having enough funds to complete the translation of the Vilkomir
records.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG
Re: Non-English Given Names #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:09:41, rickiz@... (Ricki L. Zunk)
'llowed:

 I have now acquired many photos of various family tombstones for my
 mother's family buried in Phila., PA. I cannot read or write Hebrew
 (for which I now am very sorry). I asked a rabbi/family friend to help
 me translate the names. Some of them are, to my experience, unusual.
 I'm hoping that some of you more knowledgeable JGers can help me with
 them

 mgm (Anna Helen) = Osnia (or Osnea) Enya
 mgf (Samuel [Simon]) = Yeshayoh
 pgf (Samuel) = Osias and Sheyah
 pgu (Samuel) = Sendor
 pcousin (Lippa) = Lipa

 All of these are as written and spelled by the rabbi. Sorry I can't
 give you any additional info.

It isn't clear what you want to know.

In the same order as you have written above:

Probably Osnat (a Biblical/Egyptian name)
Isaiah
Hosea and Isaiah
Alexander
A Yiddish name; can't help you

But the Rabbi surely knows all that, and Lipa as well.


-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

(Remove "takeout" >from domain; change "sheol" to "stan". Sorry

Researching:
from Lomza Gubernia in Russian Poland: Nowicki, Najmark.
from Dorohoi District in Romania: Hertanu, Abramovici, Lauer.
from Iasi in Romania: Grisaru, Vataru.
See my INTERACTIVE family tree (you need a
Java 1.1.x-enabled browser) at http://www.actcom.co.il
FTJP #general

M Frenkel <mfrenkel@...>
 

My name does not appear on the Family Tree of the Jewish People although
I have submitted (uploaded) a GEDCOM file to you. My only conclusion is
that I did something incorrectly.
Is my tree to be uploaded as one single entity including all 2,476
individuals or by separate branches? Is there a specific individual with
whom I should start? ( The tree represents all the direct and ancillary
relations of our two granddaughters.)
Obviously, your helpful input is necessary and will be greatly
appreciated.
Sincerely,
Marshall S. Frenkel
Maitland, FL
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Non-English Given Names #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:09:41, rickiz@... (Ricki L. Zunk)
'llowed:

 I have now acquired many photos of various family tombstones for my
 mother's family buried in Phila., PA. I cannot read or write Hebrew
 (for which I now am very sorry). I asked a rabbi/family friend to help
 me translate the names. Some of them are, to my experience, unusual.
 I'm hoping that some of you more knowledgeable JGers can help me with
 them

 mgm (Anna Helen) = Osnia (or Osnea) Enya
 mgf (Samuel [Simon]) = Yeshayoh
 pgf (Samuel) = Osias and Sheyah
 pgu (Samuel) = Sendor
 pcousin (Lippa) = Lipa

 All of these are as written and spelled by the rabbi. Sorry I can't
 give you any additional info.

It isn't clear what you want to know.

In the same order as you have written above:

Probably Osnat (a Biblical/Egyptian name)
Isaiah
Hosea and Isaiah
Alexander
A Yiddish name; can't help you

But the Rabbi surely knows all that, and Lipa as well.


-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

(Remove "takeout" >from domain; change "sheol" to "stan". Sorry

Researching:
from Lomza Gubernia in Russian Poland: Nowicki, Najmark.
from Dorohoi District in Romania: Hertanu, Abramovici, Lauer.
from Iasi in Romania: Grisaru, Vataru.
See my INTERACTIVE family tree (you need a
Java 1.1.x-enabled browser) at http://www.actcom.co.il
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FTJP #general

M Frenkel <mfrenkel@...>
 

My name does not appear on the Family Tree of the Jewish People although
I have submitted (uploaded) a GEDCOM file to you. My only conclusion is
that I did something incorrectly.
Is my tree to be uploaded as one single entity including all 2,476
individuals or by separate branches? Is there a specific individual with
whom I should start? ( The tree represents all the direct and ancillary
relations of our two granddaughters.)
Obviously, your helpful input is necessary and will be greatly
appreciated.
Sincerely,
Marshall S. Frenkel
Maitland, FL
Searching: KNOE(O)PFLER, FARKAS, WIGNER, HAJDU #general

Peter Knoepfler <tamas@...>
 

Looking for Knoepfler ( or Knopfler) originally >from Abony Hungary
Farkas, Wigner and Hajdu ( nee Hirschler) >from around Budapest.
Any information would be appreciated - please email me at
tamas@u.washington.edu
Thank you
Peter T Knoepfler
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: KNOE(O)PFLER, FARKAS, WIGNER, HAJDU #general

Peter Knoepfler <tamas@...>
 

Looking for Knoepfler ( or Knopfler) originally >from Abony Hungary
Farkas, Wigner and Hajdu ( nee Hirschler) >from around Budapest.
Any information would be appreciated - please email me at
tamas@u.washington.edu
Thank you
Peter T Knoepfler
San Francisco Orphanages - 1880's #general

PFutoran@...
 

I have a great uncle who was born in Austria in 1876. He came to this country
about 1887.. Family stories state that he was in an orphanage in San Francisco
in the mid 1880's - supposedly with a brother and sister. His obituary states
that he went to elementary school and a "Hebrew" High School - no mention of
the orphange. I am trying to determine if there are any records of orphanges
and or Jewish High School in SF in the 1880's (probably about 1886) How did he
get to SF etc. etc. Most records seem to have been lost in the 1906
earthquake/fire. I have been unable to locate anyone with his parents names
in the City Directories for the years in question.

Researching: FUTORANSKY.. kiev
BUNCHAK: Tarasha-Ukraine
ZAVATOVSKY: Ukraine
BENDERSKY: Urkraine
RIZNAVSKI/RESEFSKY: Korostyshev, Ukraine
SILVERSTEIN: Austria
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen San Francisco Orphanages - 1880's #general

PFutoran@...
 

I have a great uncle who was born in Austria in 1876. He came to this country
about 1887.. Family stories state that he was in an orphanage in San Francisco
in the mid 1880's - supposedly with a brother and sister. His obituary states
that he went to elementary school and a "Hebrew" High School - no mention of
the orphange. I am trying to determine if there are any records of orphanges
and or Jewish High School in SF in the 1880's (probably about 1886) How did he
get to SF etc. etc. Most records seem to have been lost in the 1906
earthquake/fire. I have been unable to locate anyone with his parents names
in the City Directories for the years in question.

Researching: FUTORANSKY.. kiev
BUNCHAK: Tarasha-Ukraine
ZAVATOVSKY: Ukraine
BENDERSKY: Urkraine
RIZNAVSKI/RESEFSKY: Korostyshev, Ukraine
SILVERSTEIN: Austria
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