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Milwaukee research #general

BREST FAMILY <angi@...>
 

Dear Jewish Geners,

I would like some Milwaukee Research done on and in return I am happy to do
likewise in Johannesburg, South Africa for you (cemetary and Archives)

The names I am interested in are as follows:-

Lottie BREST STRAUSS who lived in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Lottie had a
brother Sam BREST.
I would like to know the name of Lottie BREST Strauss and Sam BREST'S
Father (and Grandfather!) This could be either obtained >from the Milwaukee
Jewish cemetary, or the Archives. Please reply privately to me at
angi@...

Louis STRAUSS who lived in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. born 1882 and died Aug
30 1930 . please reply privately with information on Louis STRAUSS to
Susan Jonesia jonesia@...

Lottie and Louis are probably on the 1920 Milwaukee Census.

Best wishes,
Anne.------------

Anne LAPEDUS BREST. Sandton South Africa.
Researching: : LAPEDUS/LAPIDUS (all spellings) Lithuania, Latvia,
Poland.
BREST - Bauska, Latvia.


Libe, Raichik #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Hello all,
While looking through the Passenger Arrival Index for my ggrandfather LOUIS
KELLNER, I came upon LIBER KELLNER. Does anyone have any information about
the translation of the Hebrew name Liber? Could it be Louis?
Also, on my grandfather's marriage license to my grandmother, he states that
his mother's name is Gittle Subman. But on his death certificate he states
Gertrude Raichik. I know Gittle is Gertrude but I'm confused about Raichik?
Unless maybe it translate to Rachel for a middle name?
First, Liber is not a Hebrew name but a Yiddish one; it is cognate with the
German adjective Lieber, meaning "dear one" or "beloved. " Liber is the
male version, as indicated of the "r" ending -- the equivalent feminine
form would be Libe/Liebe with o "r". Second, it is not a matter of
"translation" but a matter of "assonance" (i.e."Soundex"). Louis was a
popular choice to "match" to the Hebrew name Levi or to Yiddish names
like Liber, Leyzer, etc., etc. simply because it begins with "l." So if
your gf's name was Liber, Louis would indeed be a likely "match -- but
NOT a translation! Translation, by definition, means the actual MEANING
of the name, not just a Soundex for it. Likewise, using the English or
European form of a Hebrew biblical name (such as Isaac for Yitzhak, or
Rebecca for Rivka) is not a case of translation -- these are simply the
original Greek TRANSLITERATIONS first made more than two millennia ago in
the Septuagint, a 3rd century BCE translation of the Torah.)

The choice of Gertrude for Gitel is another example of "Soundex." So it's
not strictly accurate to say that Gitel "IS" Gertrude." There's no "is"
about a choice based on assonance; someone else might choose Gloria,
simply picking up the initial G. Gertrude is a better choice because it
picks up both the the G and the T of the original Gitel. But neither
Gertrude nor Gloria constitutes a "translation."

As for "Rai-chik", this does indeed look like a diminutive for Rachel;
but some "Rays" had the Hebrew name Rebecca (Rivka) and no doubt some had
both (Rivka-Rochel). Your gm may have had Rochel or Rivka as her second
name; but once again, it is not a matter of "translation. " The literal
translation of Rachel is "ewe-lamb" -- but which of us has an ancestor
with the name "Ewe-lamb"?

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Milwaukee research #general

BREST FAMILY <angi@...>
 

Dear Jewish Geners,

I would like some Milwaukee Research done on and in return I am happy to do
likewise in Johannesburg, South Africa for you (cemetary and Archives)

The names I am interested in are as follows:-

Lottie BREST STRAUSS who lived in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Lottie had a
brother Sam BREST.
I would like to know the name of Lottie BREST Strauss and Sam BREST'S
Father (and Grandfather!) This could be either obtained >from the Milwaukee
Jewish cemetary, or the Archives. Please reply privately to me at
angi@...

Louis STRAUSS who lived in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. born 1882 and died Aug
30 1930 . please reply privately with information on Louis STRAUSS to
Susan Jonesia jonesia@...

Lottie and Louis are probably on the 1920 Milwaukee Census.

Best wishes,
Anne.------------

Anne LAPEDUS BREST. Sandton South Africa.
Researching: : LAPEDUS/LAPIDUS (all spellings) Lithuania, Latvia,
Poland.
BREST - Bauska, Latvia.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Libe, Raichik #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Hello all,
While looking through the Passenger Arrival Index for my ggrandfather LOUIS
KELLNER, I came upon LIBER KELLNER. Does anyone have any information about
the translation of the Hebrew name Liber? Could it be Louis?
Also, on my grandfather's marriage license to my grandmother, he states that
his mother's name is Gittle Subman. But on his death certificate he states
Gertrude Raichik. I know Gittle is Gertrude but I'm confused about Raichik?
Unless maybe it translate to Rachel for a middle name?
First, Liber is not a Hebrew name but a Yiddish one; it is cognate with the
German adjective Lieber, meaning "dear one" or "beloved. " Liber is the
male version, as indicated of the "r" ending -- the equivalent feminine
form would be Libe/Liebe with o "r". Second, it is not a matter of
"translation" but a matter of "assonance" (i.e."Soundex"). Louis was a
popular choice to "match" to the Hebrew name Levi or to Yiddish names
like Liber, Leyzer, etc., etc. simply because it begins with "l." So if
your gf's name was Liber, Louis would indeed be a likely "match -- but
NOT a translation! Translation, by definition, means the actual MEANING
of the name, not just a Soundex for it. Likewise, using the English or
European form of a Hebrew biblical name (such as Isaac for Yitzhak, or
Rebecca for Rivka) is not a case of translation -- these are simply the
original Greek TRANSLITERATIONS first made more than two millennia ago in
the Septuagint, a 3rd century BCE translation of the Torah.)

The choice of Gertrude for Gitel is another example of "Soundex." So it's
not strictly accurate to say that Gitel "IS" Gertrude." There's no "is"
about a choice based on assonance; someone else might choose Gloria,
simply picking up the initial G. Gertrude is a better choice because it
picks up both the the G and the T of the original Gitel. But neither
Gertrude nor Gloria constitutes a "translation."

As for "Rai-chik", this does indeed look like a diminutive for Rachel;
but some "Rays" had the Hebrew name Rebecca (Rivka) and no doubt some had
both (Rivka-Rochel). Your gm may have had Rochel or Rivka as her second
name; but once again, it is not a matter of "translation. " The literal
translation of Rachel is "ewe-lamb" -- but which of us has an ancestor
with the name "Ewe-lamb"?

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


Draft registrations - World War I & II #general

bert lazerow <lazer@...>
 

Recent posts have conflated draft registrations for these two wars.
Draft registrations for World War I are available for public
inspection at the NARA Regional Archives outside Atlanta. They have
also been microfilmed by the LDS FHC and are available through your
local FHC. In theory, the microfilms are also at the appropriate
NARA regional archive that services that state, and most are in fact
located there, though it would be wise to inquire before making a
trip. And the micros for half-a-dozen (mostly southern) states are
at the National Archives in Washington in room 400.
These documents cover men (whether citizens or aliens) living in the
U.S. 1917-1918 who were born as early as the early 1870s and as late
as 1900 (and may include others who lied about their ages to fall
within that group).
World War II draft registrations are not generally open to the
public. Whether they can be accessed by the registrant or his heirs
I do not know. While one person wrote:
"According to Loretto Dennis Szucs in her books "They Became
Americans", Ancestry 1998, and "The Source" with Sandra Hargreaves
Luebking, Ancestry 1997; these records are housed in the various
regional National Archives and may or may not be available, but should
cover men born between 1877 and 1897 for a registration that occured
on 27 April, 1942.", I find that it doubtful that registrations were
taken of men born as early as 1877, or that it stopped with 1897. I
would think that a more likely time period would be for men born
between 1890 (52 years old in 1942) and 1927 (18 years old in 1945).

Bert Lazerow, lazer@..., fax 619-260-2230, tel. 260-4597
San Diego CA 92110-2492 U.S.A.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Draft registrations - World War I & II #general

bert lazerow <lazer@...>
 

Recent posts have conflated draft registrations for these two wars.
Draft registrations for World War I are available for public
inspection at the NARA Regional Archives outside Atlanta. They have
also been microfilmed by the LDS FHC and are available through your
local FHC. In theory, the microfilms are also at the appropriate
NARA regional archive that services that state, and most are in fact
located there, though it would be wise to inquire before making a
trip. And the micros for half-a-dozen (mostly southern) states are
at the National Archives in Washington in room 400.
These documents cover men (whether citizens or aliens) living in the
U.S. 1917-1918 who were born as early as the early 1870s and as late
as 1900 (and may include others who lied about their ages to fall
within that group).
World War II draft registrations are not generally open to the
public. Whether they can be accessed by the registrant or his heirs
I do not know. While one person wrote:
"According to Loretto Dennis Szucs in her books "They Became
Americans", Ancestry 1998, and "The Source" with Sandra Hargreaves
Luebking, Ancestry 1997; these records are housed in the various
regional National Archives and may or may not be available, but should
cover men born between 1877 and 1897 for a registration that occured
on 27 April, 1942.", I find that it doubtful that registrations were
taken of men born as early as 1877, or that it stopped with 1897. I
would think that a more likely time period would be for men born
between 1890 (52 years old in 1942) and 1927 (18 years old in 1945).

Bert Lazerow, lazer@..., fax 619-260-2230, tel. 260-4597
San Diego CA 92110-2492 U.S.A.


Re: GReat Story #poland

Simetra@...
 

Thanks, what a nice story to share!


JRI Poland #Poland Re: GReat Story #poland

Simetra@...
 

Thanks, what a nice story to share!


Re: Naturalization Records - 1960's #general

Ruffin R Cooper <rrcooper@...>
 

In response to Mr. Allan H. Rosen.

I believe that Naturalization records for New York are at the
NARA Northeast Region for the following:

Manhattan and Bronx to 1991
Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island to 1990 with index to 1977,
for years without an index you need an exact petition number.

They also hold records for Newark >from 1914 to 1982 with indexes
and Buffalo NY >from 1907 to 1966.

Their address is NARA; Northeast Region, 201 Varick Street, New
York, NY, 10014-4811

Enclose a check for $10.00 payable to National Archives Trust
Fund. I don't know about the requirement that they are dead, but,
you can call (212) 337-1300 and find a very helpful person
(live!) who will talk to you.

I have had personal success retrieving records and with helpful
telephone calls myself.

Bob Cooper

rrcooper@...


* Kosice Yizkor book #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

I am looking for the following Yizkor book:

town: Kosice (Kassa), Slovakia
title: A Kassai Zsidosag Tortenete es Galleriaja
author: Gorog, Artur

If somebody has it for sale please get in private contact. Book can be used.

Thanks and regards
Tom


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naturalization Records - 1960's #general

Ruffin R Cooper <rrcooper@...>
 

In response to Mr. Allan H. Rosen.

I believe that Naturalization records for New York are at the
NARA Northeast Region for the following:

Manhattan and Bronx to 1991
Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island to 1990 with index to 1977,
for years without an index you need an exact petition number.

They also hold records for Newark >from 1914 to 1982 with indexes
and Buffalo NY >from 1907 to 1966.

Their address is NARA; Northeast Region, 201 Varick Street, New
York, NY, 10014-4811

Enclose a check for $10.00 payable to National Archives Trust
Fund. I don't know about the requirement that they are dead, but,
you can call (212) 337-1300 and find a very helpful person
(live!) who will talk to you.

I have had personal success retrieving records and with helpful
telephone calls myself.

Bob Cooper

rrcooper@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen * Kosice Yizkor book #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

I am looking for the following Yizkor book:

town: Kosice (Kassa), Slovakia
title: A Kassai Zsidosag Tortenete es Galleriaja
author: Gorog, Artur

If somebody has it for sale please get in private contact. Book can be used.

Thanks and regards
Tom


Does Louis=Liber? #general

Ury Link <uryl@...>
 

To the Moderator,
Sorry but my English is not so best ,so be kind to me to correct things that
you think it is not correct .
Thanks
Ury Link


Dear Jewish Genners,
To this discussion I think that it is not correct to connect the name Liber
to the name Louis. Normally the name Louis we connected with the name Lewy
(Lewis,Louis or L=L )but the name Lieber is not Lewy.
from the book : Get Mesudar . Eliezer Mintz Bilguria 1902 page 283 I take
over this text:
Liberman, is a nickname to Eliezer,Elazar,Yehuda and Matitja also Liber have
the same nicknames...... (all the names are first names)
In a comment give Eliezer Mintz this text: (in Rashi script)
Liberman. it mean a good man and the translation have nothing to do with the
name Eliezer or Elazar and the reasons that this name is chosen as a
nickname is the beginning with a Lamed ,but Eliezer don't begin with Lamed
he begin with Alef why to use the Lamed.? The Alef is not emphasized so we
called Eliezer or Elazar: Luser or Leiser and this is why we used the Lamed.
And why Yehuda as a nickname?. Lamed,Yud,Beth (Leib) are the same begin
letters as ( Yehuda ) Leib also with Lamed, Yud, Beth. Why Matitja he don't
mention.
Until here is what Mintz have written in his book, He mention also that
Liepman as a personal name have the same explanation as Liber and Liberman.
So I conclude that the name Liber is not the name Lewy.
Alexander Dietz in his book :Stambuch der Frankfurter Juden . F/m 1907 used
the same names .
It can be that the name Liber that derived >from Liberman have to do with
Lewy and why ? Jits Van Straten in his book : Joodse voornamen in Amsterdam
. Amsterdam 1966 . give the first names that Jewish used in records between
1669 and 1850 and the transcription in Yiddish or Hebrew. In this case a
document with the name Liberman used the name Levie. So it can be that Lewy
is Liber ,but I don't think so and What Mintz writ is more convincing.

Ury link
Amsterdam
Holland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Does Louis=Liber? #general

Ury Link <uryl@...>
 

To the Moderator,
Sorry but my English is not so best ,so be kind to me to correct things that
you think it is not correct .
Thanks
Ury Link


Dear Jewish Genners,
To this discussion I think that it is not correct to connect the name Liber
to the name Louis. Normally the name Louis we connected with the name Lewy
(Lewis,Louis or L=L )but the name Lieber is not Lewy.
from the book : Get Mesudar . Eliezer Mintz Bilguria 1902 page 283 I take
over this text:
Liberman, is a nickname to Eliezer,Elazar,Yehuda and Matitja also Liber have
the same nicknames...... (all the names are first names)
In a comment give Eliezer Mintz this text: (in Rashi script)
Liberman. it mean a good man and the translation have nothing to do with the
name Eliezer or Elazar and the reasons that this name is chosen as a
nickname is the beginning with a Lamed ,but Eliezer don't begin with Lamed
he begin with Alef why to use the Lamed.? The Alef is not emphasized so we
called Eliezer or Elazar: Luser or Leiser and this is why we used the Lamed.
And why Yehuda as a nickname?. Lamed,Yud,Beth (Leib) are the same begin
letters as ( Yehuda ) Leib also with Lamed, Yud, Beth. Why Matitja he don't
mention.
Until here is what Mintz have written in his book, He mention also that
Liepman as a personal name have the same explanation as Liber and Liberman.
So I conclude that the name Liber is not the name Lewy.
Alexander Dietz in his book :Stambuch der Frankfurter Juden . F/m 1907 used
the same names .
It can be that the name Liber that derived >from Liberman have to do with
Lewy and why ? Jits Van Straten in his book : Joodse voornamen in Amsterdam
. Amsterdam 1966 . give the first names that Jewish used in records between
1669 and 1850 and the transcription in Yiddish or Hebrew. In this case a
document with the name Liberman used the name Levie. So it can be that Lewy
is Liber ,but I don't think so and What Mintz writ is more convincing.

Ury link
Amsterdam
Holland


Re: Greek translation #general

Dolores Palomo <sphinx@...>
 

To my surprise there's no Greek genealogy section on Cyndi's famous
list, but a metacrawler search turned up several. This one is under
construction, but you can at least email a query:

http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Cove/4537/Main1.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Greek translation #general

Dolores Palomo <sphinx@...>
 

To my surprise there's no Greek genealogy section on Cyndi's famous
list, but a metacrawler search turned up several. This one is under
construction, but you can at least email a query:

http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Cove/4537/Main1.html


jewishgen digest: August 19, 1998 #general

Finey@...
 

This is to the moderators and the powers that be at Jewish Gen: I want
to congratulate all of you on finally coming up with the system for
numbering the messages. I'm sure all the subscribers will concur with
me, that you have made life a thousand times easier for everyone. Now we
can find those messages that are of interest without having to read
through everything.Some of us will continue to read every word, but we
can still get back a particular message with much more ease. Thanks
again for this great improvement. Bob Fineberg
Dr Robert P Fineberg, Colorado Springs, CO. FINEY@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen jewishgen digest: August 19, 1998 #general

Finey@...
 

This is to the moderators and the powers that be at Jewish Gen: I want
to congratulate all of you on finally coming up with the system for
numbering the messages. I'm sure all the subscribers will concur with
me, that you have made life a thousand times easier for everyone. Now we
can find those messages that are of interest without having to read
through everything.Some of us will continue to read every word, but we
can still get back a particular message with much more ease. Thanks
again for this great improvement. Bob Fineberg
Dr Robert P Fineberg, Colorado Springs, CO. FINEY@...


Don Yitzhak ABARBANEL, etc. #general

Nick Soodek <nick@...>
 

While this message is specifically for Rich Sinykin, who requested
information on a possible ancestor, ABARBANEL, I thought it might be of
interest to other genners. I looked up the name in a book that I have,
"Finding Our Fathers" by Dan Rottenberg. I was referred to the name
ABRAVANEL, where it states the following:
One of the oldest and most distinguished Spanish families. The German
scholar Herman Reckendorf maintained that the ABRAVANELs were direct
descendents of King David, through Zerubbabel, Hillel and certain Jewish
kings in Arabia. Jewish Encyclopedia and Encyclopedia Judaica have family
tree charts and biographies; also see JE article on Herman Reckendorf and
on "Coat of Arms," which includes the ABRAVANEL crest, as well as those
of the families ABARBANEL de SOUSA and ABARBANEL de VEIGA. LBIS (Rudolf
Simonis collection at the Leo Baeck Institute) has ABRABANEL family tree.
Also see M. Kayserling's Bibliotheca Espanola- Portugeza-Judaica
(strasbourg, 1890)p.6. Related to Lindo.
I have not seen this guidebook mentioned here and thought others might be
interested in knowing about it. This is an interesting resource to check
for possibly famous or noteworthy ancestors.
Nick Soodek


Searching Lilly JEANS nee LEWIS circa 1917, WA, OR, CA? #general

Qedetc <qedetc@...>
 

Dear GJenners,

Just a shot in the dark but I'm hoping to connect to family. Perhaps someone
might recollect or have knowledge of a Lilly (Lillie, Lillian) JEANS formerly
EDWARDS.
(b.1876, d 196?).

Last known locale (>from a will in 1917) was Monohan, WA, moved sometime between
April and October >from Issaquah, WA. Her nieces (now in their 80's)
recollect only that she was 'somewhere on the West Coast' during the 40's.

I have unsuccessfully searched death indexes and 1920 censi >from CA, WA and OR
under the name JEANS as well as the same states for 1900 under EDWARDS.
I believe she was married in 1897 to James EDWARDS in Los Angeles, CA and at
some later point to a Raymond JEANS. Rumor has it that she may have married a
third time.

An open search of the SSDI on Lilly (with variations) and her birth date lead
to no significant clues.

Any thoughts or suggestions greatly appreciated.
Tracy Lewis
Anchorage, Alaska
qedetc@...

Searching: LEWIS, Jacob - Russia pre 1861 (b.1846)>NY,PA,KS,LA,TX,AL,CA,NY
JACOBS, Hannah - Prussia pre 1861 (b.1846)> ditto