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searching SLIER, the Netherlands #general

fam overdijkink <hineni@...>
 

I,am looking for people with the name of SLIER.
there are two kinds of family. One is coming >from Amsterdam and one is =
coming >from Rotterdam.
A friend of mine has a big familytree of the family of Amsterdam.
Her name is Anita Polak-Slier.
when someone knows something about Slier, please send me a message and I =
will give it to my friend.

Chelly Overdijkink_Abram
hineni@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching SLIER, the Netherlands #general

fam overdijkink <hineni@...>
 

I,am looking for people with the name of SLIER.
there are two kinds of family. One is coming >from Amsterdam and one is =
coming >from Rotterdam.
A friend of mine has a big familytree of the family of Amsterdam.
Her name is Anita Polak-Slier.
when someone knows something about Slier, please send me a message and I =
will give it to my friend.

Chelly Overdijkink_Abram
hineni@...


SIGMUND, Denver #general

David Baron <dbaron@...>
 

We are searching for the descendants of Joseph SIGMUND. He was born
Jan, 1856 in Baltimore, MD. He married Emma GOLDMAN. They lived in
Denver. He was in advertising. They had two daughters-Leonore, married
ROTHENBERG? -Celeste married ?DIAMOND. Celeste had a
daughter Marjorie. We lost this branch of the family. Can someone in
Denver look up the obituary for Joseph. I believe he died between 1910
and 1920 in Denver. We may be able to find the rest of his family with
the information gathered >from his obit. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thank you.
David F. Baron &
Roger D. Cibella
Seattle, WA
Email: baroncibella@...

Please see our family tree pages:

Roger Cibella's Family Tree Page
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/3521/

David Baron's Family Tree Page
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/3432/

The Goldsmith/Goldschmidt Family Tree Page
http://members.xoom.com/goldschmidt/

Jewish Families of Frankfurt am Main
http://members.tripod.com/~goldschmidt


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SIGMUND, Denver #general

David Baron <dbaron@...>
 

We are searching for the descendants of Joseph SIGMUND. He was born
Jan, 1856 in Baltimore, MD. He married Emma GOLDMAN. They lived in
Denver. He was in advertising. They had two daughters-Leonore, married
ROTHENBERG? -Celeste married ?DIAMOND. Celeste had a
daughter Marjorie. We lost this branch of the family. Can someone in
Denver look up the obituary for Joseph. I believe he died between 1910
and 1920 in Denver. We may be able to find the rest of his family with
the information gathered >from his obit. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thank you.
David F. Baron &
Roger D. Cibella
Seattle, WA
Email: baroncibella@...

Please see our family tree pages:

Roger Cibella's Family Tree Page
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/3521/

David Baron's Family Tree Page
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/3432/

The Goldsmith/Goldschmidt Family Tree Page
http://members.xoom.com/goldschmidt/

Jewish Families of Frankfurt am Main
http://members.tripod.com/~goldschmidt


Re: Alienikov Family #belarus

Krefman, Stephen <krefman@...>
 

In response to the recent postings by David Brill and Schelly
Dardashti regarding the Alienikov family:

I have an ALENIKOV family tree at my home going back to a Dov Ber
ALENIKOV in the mid 1800's in Tolshin, Mogilev Gebernia and including
people killed in the holocaust and others who lived in Moscow, Russia
and in Philadelphia, PA. Related names I recall being on the tree
include NAIDOVICH and STUCKMEISTER. Much of the information came >from
a recent Soviet emigree in NYC with whom I corresponded in the 1980's.

The name "Berka" ALEINIKOFF found by Schelly Dardashti does not sound
familiar but I do recall a Beryl.

There is a family legend that one of the ALENIKOV's "was a business
partner of Marc Chagall's father in the old country."

When I locate the tree, I will post it to the Belarus SIG.

I am not sure how the ALENIKOV's are related to me, if at all, but I
have gathered the information because they are cousins of "Ben
NAIDOFF" (NAIDOVICH). Ben Naidoff is also a cousin of my great
grandfather Abraham Meyer KRUGLOS (KRUGLOZE), but I don't know on
which side of my great-grandfather's family and whether he is a first
cousin.

My great aunt remembered that Ben NAIDOFF lived with my great
grandfather when Ben first came to the US. I have found him in the
census but have had no luck locating his cemetery plot, immigration
record, or death certificate.

Surnames of greatest interest to me in Mogilev Gebernia (or Moliver
Gebernia, as my family calls it) are:

TSELOVITZ / TILOWITS (Orsha)
ROZIN / ROSEN (Orsha)
KRUGLOS / KRUGLOZE (Tolshin)
NAIDEAU / NAIDOFF / NAIDOVICH (Tolshin)
ALENIKOV (Tolshin)

Steve Krefman
Paw Paw, MI
Krefman@...







Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Re: Alienikov Family #belarus

Krefman, Stephen <krefman@...>
 

In response to the recent postings by David Brill and Schelly
Dardashti regarding the Alienikov family:

I have an ALENIKOV family tree at my home going back to a Dov Ber
ALENIKOV in the mid 1800's in Tolshin, Mogilev Gebernia and including
people killed in the holocaust and others who lived in Moscow, Russia
and in Philadelphia, PA. Related names I recall being on the tree
include NAIDOVICH and STUCKMEISTER. Much of the information came >from
a recent Soviet emigree in NYC with whom I corresponded in the 1980's.

The name "Berka" ALEINIKOFF found by Schelly Dardashti does not sound
familiar but I do recall a Beryl.

There is a family legend that one of the ALENIKOV's "was a business
partner of Marc Chagall's father in the old country."

When I locate the tree, I will post it to the Belarus SIG.

I am not sure how the ALENIKOV's are related to me, if at all, but I
have gathered the information because they are cousins of "Ben
NAIDOFF" (NAIDOVICH). Ben Naidoff is also a cousin of my great
grandfather Abraham Meyer KRUGLOS (KRUGLOZE), but I don't know on
which side of my great-grandfather's family and whether he is a first
cousin.

My great aunt remembered that Ben NAIDOFF lived with my great
grandfather when Ben first came to the US. I have found him in the
census but have had no luck locating his cemetery plot, immigration
record, or death certificate.

Surnames of greatest interest to me in Mogilev Gebernia (or Moliver
Gebernia, as my family calls it) are:

TSELOVITZ / TILOWITS (Orsha)
ROZIN / ROSEN (Orsha)
KRUGLOS / KRUGLOZE (Tolshin)
NAIDEAU / NAIDOFF / NAIDOVICH (Tolshin)
ALENIKOV (Tolshin)

Steve Krefman
Paw Paw, MI
Krefman@...







Re: Rabbi BARNETT RUDNICK #belarus

BSwart10@...
 

Does anyone know anything about RABBI BARNETT RUDNICK??. He migrated from
Vilna in Europe in the year 1888 and applied for Citzenship in 1901.

In the 1920 Census records, it shows that he was 60 years old and his wife
Ida ,was 58. He had two daughters , Bertha who was 20 and another daughter
Rose who was 18 in 1920.

It shows that he was a Reverend in a Syngogue in Brooklyn, NY.

In 1919 he married my Mother and Father plus an Uncle and his bride. The
marriage certificate lists his address as 416 Rockaway Ave, Brooklyn, NY. I
am assuming that he was the Rabbi at a Syngogue near by, in East New York, in
the Borough of Brooklyn, NY. Does anyone recognize the name or can tell me
anything more about this Rabbi or his family??

Does the name Arthur KURZWALD sound fimiliar to anyone??. Some one called me
during the summer when I was in LA and left a message for me call back,
regarding Rabbi RUDNICK. I have called many times but get no answer. It is
a NJ exchange. Can anyone help me contact Arthur KURZWALD?. I am not sure
of the spelling of his name but that is the name that I could make out on my
answering machine. Is it fimiliar to anyone?? Please Email me.

BSwart10@...
Bea Swart
Tamarac, Florida

RUDNICK & OLESKOWITZ >from Krevo or Kreva, Belarus, The Bronx, and NYC,
KALSTEIN & SHIDLOWSKY >from Raczki, Suwalki area, The Bronx and NYC
SWART, & COSTA >from London, Boston and NYC.

Please Email me.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Rabbi BARNETT RUDNICK #belarus

BSwart10@...
 

Does anyone know anything about RABBI BARNETT RUDNICK??. He migrated from
Vilna in Europe in the year 1888 and applied for Citzenship in 1901.

In the 1920 Census records, it shows that he was 60 years old and his wife
Ida ,was 58. He had two daughters , Bertha who was 20 and another daughter
Rose who was 18 in 1920.

It shows that he was a Reverend in a Syngogue in Brooklyn, NY.

In 1919 he married my Mother and Father plus an Uncle and his bride. The
marriage certificate lists his address as 416 Rockaway Ave, Brooklyn, NY. I
am assuming that he was the Rabbi at a Syngogue near by, in East New York, in
the Borough of Brooklyn, NY. Does anyone recognize the name or can tell me
anything more about this Rabbi or his family??

Does the name Arthur KURZWALD sound fimiliar to anyone??. Some one called me
during the summer when I was in LA and left a message for me call back,
regarding Rabbi RUDNICK. I have called many times but get no answer. It is
a NJ exchange. Can anyone help me contact Arthur KURZWALD?. I am not sure
of the spelling of his name but that is the name that I could make out on my
answering machine. Is it fimiliar to anyone?? Please Email me.

BSwart10@...
Bea Swart
Tamarac, Florida

RUDNICK & OLESKOWITZ >from Krevo or Kreva, Belarus, The Bronx, and NYC,
KALSTEIN & SHIDLOWSKY >from Raczki, Suwalki area, The Bronx and NYC
SWART, & COSTA >from London, Boston and NYC.

Please Email me.


Letter to Argentina #general

Stephen Mednick <cssaus@...>
 

As part of my endeavours to track down any related MEDNICKs, I
discovered that there are a bunch of MEDNICKs, MEDNIKs & MEDNICs in
Argentina.

What I would like to do is send of an inquiry letter (similar to the one
I've recently sent to all the MEDNICKs in the USA) to see if I can
uncover any connections. The letter I'm sending (written in WORD) will
be in English. I was wondering if I should also write the letter in
Spanish if this is the more common language in Argentina.

Is there anyone who can advise me on this and also, is there someone who
might be able to retype my WORD document in Spanish.

Many thanks.

Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
cssaus@...

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


MODERATOR NOTE: Spanish is the language spoken in Argentina
and most people do not speak English. You should definitely
join the newly formed Latin American Special Interest Group
and post your request there. Go to: http://www.jewishgen.org
and click on Special Interest Groups in the Discussion Category


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Letter to Argentina #general

Stephen Mednick <cssaus@...>
 

As part of my endeavours to track down any related MEDNICKs, I
discovered that there are a bunch of MEDNICKs, MEDNIKs & MEDNICs in
Argentina.

What I would like to do is send of an inquiry letter (similar to the one
I've recently sent to all the MEDNICKs in the USA) to see if I can
uncover any connections. The letter I'm sending (written in WORD) will
be in English. I was wondering if I should also write the letter in
Spanish if this is the more common language in Argentina.

Is there anyone who can advise me on this and also, is there someone who
might be able to retype my WORD document in Spanish.

Many thanks.

Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
cssaus@...

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


MODERATOR NOTE: Spanish is the language spoken in Argentina
and most people do not speak English. You should definitely
join the newly formed Latin American Special Interest Group
and post your request there. Go to: http://www.jewishgen.org
and click on Special Interest Groups in the Discussion Category


Re: asking #hungary

Stefano Groszy <steven@...>
 

Oblath Andras wrote:

Dear Stefano,

I saw your letter in the H-SIG. My hobby is to collect changed
name. The name Varhegyi is such a name. Can you write me what was
it before?

thank you,
Andras


Searching: GROSZ/GROSS - Mondok(Nyiregyhaza)
KLEIN - " "
VE0RHEGYI - " "
ROSENSTEIN - " "
WEISS " "
HEISZ " "
ADLER " "
Andras Oblath
Budapest,Hungary
w3.datanet.hu/~oblath
Dear Andras, the Varhegyi name was changed after WWII by my uncle who
survived the holocaust and who lived before the war in Mandok. His
original name was Sandor Grosz and he was born on the 20th April 1909.
from the little info I got he probably moved to Ukraine.
I'm trying to find about him or his brother Ferenc Grosz born on the 13th
December 1916, both may still be alive. If not, it would be great to find their children, if they exist (they could be between 40 and 60).
I don't know for sure the reason why the name was changed >from Grosz or how
was that possible. Ironically, my name too was changed when I was 8 years old in 1955: it was changed >from Grosz to Groszy. Believe me I'm still wondering why! Could you give me some advice for my research? Thanks.
Steven Grosz.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: asking #hungary

Stefano Groszy <steven@...>
 

Oblath Andras wrote:

Dear Stefano,

I saw your letter in the H-SIG. My hobby is to collect changed
name. The name Varhegyi is such a name. Can you write me what was
it before?

thank you,
Andras


Searching: GROSZ/GROSS - Mondok(Nyiregyhaza)
KLEIN - " "
VE0RHEGYI - " "
ROSENSTEIN - " "
WEISS " "
HEISZ " "
ADLER " "
Andras Oblath
Budapest,Hungary
w3.datanet.hu/~oblath
Dear Andras, the Varhegyi name was changed after WWII by my uncle who
survived the holocaust and who lived before the war in Mandok. His
original name was Sandor Grosz and he was born on the 20th April 1909.
from the little info I got he probably moved to Ukraine.
I'm trying to find about him or his brother Ferenc Grosz born on the 13th
December 1916, both may still be alive. If not, it would be great to find their children, if they exist (they could be between 40 and 60).
I don't know for sure the reason why the name was changed >from Grosz or how
was that possible. Ironically, my name too was changed when I was 8 years old in 1955: it was changed >from Grosz to Groszy. Believe me I'm still wondering why! Could you give me some advice for my research? Thanks.
Steven Grosz.


Re: Finding your Shtetl #lithuania

Sherribob@...
 

Jacqueline asked for advice on how she might locate the names of her ancestors
shtetls. First, I would recommend reading through the JewishGen FAQ's and
InfoFiles found at <http://www.jewishgen.org>.

Secondly, here are a few ideas off the top of my head:

Find out if they were naturalized here in the U.S., post 1906 nats will most
often have the town of birth (but, be cautious, it was common to name the
largest town in the area as a birthplace, for instance, my gf states his town
of birth as Kovno, rather than Rogala.

If they had any children born here acquire their birth certs.

If he was of age try to acquire his WW1 draft card.

Do try to acquire their U.S. passenger arrival, I do believe they aksed for
place of birth and last residence (the questions varied depending on the year
of arrival).

SS5's (original social security applications) are another possible source,
The person had to be born 1870 or later, and the first 1936 SS5's did not
ask for town, but by 1940 they were asking that question. Not everyone got
their SS5 in'36, so it's an option.

Death certs may or may not list town of birth.

Find out if they belonged to a landsmanshaftn. People often belonged to ones
that were shtetl based, however, it was not uncommon to belong to the society
of a friend or relative >from another town.

Information on "how to" the above can be found on the JewishGen homepage (URL
noted above.)

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Finding your Shtetl #lithuania

Sherribob@...
 

Jacqueline asked for advice on how she might locate the names of her ancestors
shtetls. First, I would recommend reading through the JewishGen FAQ's and
InfoFiles found at <http://www.jewishgen.org>.

Secondly, here are a few ideas off the top of my head:

Find out if they were naturalized here in the U.S., post 1906 nats will most
often have the town of birth (but, be cautious, it was common to name the
largest town in the area as a birthplace, for instance, my gf states his town
of birth as Kovno, rather than Rogala.

If they had any children born here acquire their birth certs.

If he was of age try to acquire his WW1 draft card.

Do try to acquire their U.S. passenger arrival, I do believe they aksed for
place of birth and last residence (the questions varied depending on the year
of arrival).

SS5's (original social security applications) are another possible source,
The person had to be born 1870 or later, and the first 1936 SS5's did not
ask for town, but by 1940 they were asking that question. Not everyone got
their SS5 in'36, so it's an option.

Death certs may or may not list town of birth.

Find out if they belonged to a landsmanshaftn. People often belonged to ones
that were shtetl based, however, it was not uncommon to belong to the society
of a friend or relative >from another town.

Information on "how to" the above can be found on the JewishGen homepage (URL
noted above.)

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Kohanim #general

Haim Fridman <fridman@...>
 

Candice Bradley wrote:

In response to Stan Goodman's comment, "If a man is a Kohen, his sons, all
of them are also Kohanim. There are no other rules for the transmission.
It
moves in the paternal line only, never in the maternal."
I also believed this, but I'm not so sure any more. A Galicia researcher
on this list and I have a common family name (Nebenzahl) which supposedly
is a single family. Although the male Nebenzahls of my family
essentially
"daughtered out," the Nebenzahl men in my line were Kohanim. However,
this researcher told me that the Nebenzahls in Galicia were not Kohanim,
and explained that he found in his research evidence of some matrilineal
transmission which might explain why my Nebenzahls are Kohanim. His
argument is interesting food for thought.
----------
In the technical Halakhic sense no person can be a Kohen unless his father
was a Kohen.
There are several explanations for the situation where a supposedly Kohanic
family name is carried by non-Kohanim.

1) People who were not related in any way to a certain family simply
adopted their surname. There was even litigation in Tsarist Russian brought
by the noble Gunzburg family against those who had borrowed their name.

2) There was an actual relationship between the Kohanic and non- kohanic
families which arose when a son-in-law adopted the surname of his wife's
family. This took place for several reasons, most frequently to avoid cruel
military service in Tsarist Russia, or for taxation purposes.
Some classic cases are Rapoports who are not Kohanim like the ancient
family that bears the name, Landaus and Epsteins who should be expected to
be Leviim and are not.

In the absence of documents or tombstones (which may also suffer from
omissions) it is difficult to suggest a means of verifying Kohen or Levi
descent. There may be no relationship at all, ot there may be an in-law
relationship.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email: fridman@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kohanim #general

Haim Fridman <fridman@...>
 

Candice Bradley wrote:

In response to Stan Goodman's comment, "If a man is a Kohen, his sons, all
of them are also Kohanim. There are no other rules for the transmission.
It
moves in the paternal line only, never in the maternal."
I also believed this, but I'm not so sure any more. A Galicia researcher
on this list and I have a common family name (Nebenzahl) which supposedly
is a single family. Although the male Nebenzahls of my family
essentially
"daughtered out," the Nebenzahl men in my line were Kohanim. However,
this researcher told me that the Nebenzahls in Galicia were not Kohanim,
and explained that he found in his research evidence of some matrilineal
transmission which might explain why my Nebenzahls are Kohanim. His
argument is interesting food for thought.
----------
In the technical Halakhic sense no person can be a Kohen unless his father
was a Kohen.
There are several explanations for the situation where a supposedly Kohanic
family name is carried by non-Kohanim.

1) People who were not related in any way to a certain family simply
adopted their surname. There was even litigation in Tsarist Russian brought
by the noble Gunzburg family against those who had borrowed their name.

2) There was an actual relationship between the Kohanic and non- kohanic
families which arose when a son-in-law adopted the surname of his wife's
family. This took place for several reasons, most frequently to avoid cruel
military service in Tsarist Russia, or for taxation purposes.
Some classic cases are Rapoports who are not Kohanim like the ancient
family that bears the name, Landaus and Epsteins who should be expected to
be Leviim and are not.

In the absence of documents or tombstones (which may also suffer from
omissions) it is difficult to suggest a means of verifying Kohen or Levi
descent. There may be no relationship at all, ot there may be an in-law
relationship.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email: fridman@...


Gemzse and Mandok + H-SIG missing digests #hungary

Stefano Groszy <steven@...>
 

Re.: Gemzse and Mandok
Hi Peter, do you mind to tell me if Gemzse is in the vicinity of Mandok?
I'm also asking if any of the H-SIGGERS had any relative or friend in
Mandok. I realized >from Gabor Hirsch - who is really a mine of infos and
documents! - that in April 1944 there were in that small town 373 Jews;
and I know for sure that some of them survived the holocaust: I would be
very grateful to anybody pointing to me any information about the
Mandok's jewish community, now or in the past.

Re.: H-SIG missing messages
Due to malfunction of my email I didn't receive H-SIG digests of 2-3-4
September: is that possible to have them? Thanks!

Best regards and ciao, Steven Grosz - Milano.

Moderater: If someone still has the digest for those days on their e-mail program all one needs to do is forward the entire digest "message" to Steven at steven@... It's the not the same as traveling to Italy, but its something.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Gemzse and Mandok + H-SIG missing digests #hungary

Stefano Groszy <steven@...>
 

Re.: Gemzse and Mandok
Hi Peter, do you mind to tell me if Gemzse is in the vicinity of Mandok?
I'm also asking if any of the H-SIGGERS had any relative or friend in
Mandok. I realized >from Gabor Hirsch - who is really a mine of infos and
documents! - that in April 1944 there were in that small town 373 Jews;
and I know for sure that some of them survived the holocaust: I would be
very grateful to anybody pointing to me any information about the
Mandok's jewish community, now or in the past.

Re.: H-SIG missing messages
Due to malfunction of my email I didn't receive H-SIG digests of 2-3-4
September: is that possible to have them? Thanks!

Best regards and ciao, Steven Grosz - Milano.

Moderater: If someone still has the digest for those days on their e-mail program all one needs to do is forward the entire digest "message" to Steven at steven@... It's the not the same as traveling to Italy, but its something.


Wall of Honor addendum #hungary

Robert & Sarah Klein <hamoreh@...>
 

Sorry to have to send an immediate addendum, but I just noticed that the key
to a successful search of the Wall of Honor seems to be writing the
information and hitting enter *before* the page finishes loading. Hitting
stop doesn't seem to help, so you have to be nimble. I know it sounds
crazy, but I just tested my theory several times, and each time the theory
got confirmed. Maybe the problem lies with the chain of computers I have to
go through >from Israel.

Robert


Hungary SIG #Hungary Wall of Honor addendum #hungary

Robert & Sarah Klein <hamoreh@...>
 

Sorry to have to send an immediate addendum, but I just noticed that the key
to a successful search of the Wall of Honor seems to be writing the
information and hitting enter *before* the page finishes loading. Hitting
stop doesn't seem to help, so you have to be nimble. I know it sounds
crazy, but I just tested my theory several times, and each time the theory
got confirmed. Maybe the problem lies with the chain of computers I have to
go through >from Israel.

Robert