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London directories #general

JoeZam@...
 

As some of my ancestors lived in London prior to coming to the U.S., I ordered
London post office directories at the LDS FHC. However, the general directory
is ordered by street name. This is of little use since I am trying to locate
the address to look up in the 1891 census.

Is anyone aware of a name ordered directory for London in this timeframe?

Thanks,

Joseph T. Zamrin
Tampa, FL

JoeZam@AOL.com

Searching ZAMARIN, ZAMRIN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen London directories #general

JoeZam@...
 

As some of my ancestors lived in London prior to coming to the U.S., I ordered
London post office directories at the LDS FHC. However, the general directory
is ordered by street name. This is of little use since I am trying to locate
the address to look up in the 1891 census.

Is anyone aware of a name ordered directory for London in this timeframe?

Thanks,

Joseph T. Zamrin
Tampa, FL

JoeZam@AOL.com

Searching ZAMARIN, ZAMRIN


Re: 1787 Naming edict #hungary

ALEX M P MILLER <alexm6@...>
 

Hello Georg and all

In a recent book I found a comment in reference to the naming edict of
Emperor Joseph the 2nd.

According to this the emperor commanded all jews that HAD NO PREVIOUS
fixed last name to assume a German one.

There has been a lot of anectodal tales on this subject, I wonder if the
edict could be found in the library in Viena and transalated.

This information could be very useful to determine origin and length of
residence of ancestors that did not have German sounding names in the
early 1800's

Best regards, Szervusz

Alex Miller Reading Pennsylvania

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: 1787 Naming edict #hungary

ALEX M P MILLER <alexm6@...>
 

Hello Georg and all

In a recent book I found a comment in reference to the naming edict of
Emperor Joseph the 2nd.

According to this the emperor commanded all jews that HAD NO PREVIOUS
fixed last name to assume a German one.

There has been a lot of anectodal tales on this subject, I wonder if the
edict could be found in the library in Viena and transalated.

This information could be very useful to determine origin and length of
residence of ancestors that did not have German sounding names in the
early 1800's

Best regards, Szervusz

Alex Miller Reading Pennsylvania

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WORD CHECK #hungary

ALEX M P MILLER <alexm6@...>
 

HELLO HUNGARIAN SPEAKERS

A question about status of residency in 19th century HUngary:

Arendator
Zselleres
Tenant
Renter
Leasee

What is the relationship between the above as it relates to censii and
other official
documents?

Alex Miller
Reading PA

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Hungary SIG #Hungary WORD CHECK #hungary

ALEX M P MILLER <alexm6@...>
 

HELLO HUNGARIAN SPEAKERS

A question about status of residency in 19th century HUngary:

Arendator
Zselleres
Tenant
Renter
Leasee

What is the relationship between the above as it relates to censii and
other official
documents?

Alex Miller
Reading PA

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* Being a Jew (was Re: Center for Jewish History) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Linda and all,

I am replying this message in public not because I wish to raise a
controversy but because history must be seen within the correct perspective
to make justice to those millions who have been murdered among us - not
only by the Nazis but by the Spaniards, Pollack, Ukrainians, Russians, just
to mention a few.

What Linda writes is of course correct - in America, the archetype of
freedom, one MUST profess what Linda professes. But for one single reason -
because Americans are *allowed* to be free.

But put yourselves in the shoes of Jews living in Europe and in the Middle
Eastern countries where they have been persecuted for centuries if not
millenia. Is the same attitude valid? Clearly not.

Just to come back to Hungary, the Hungarians *never* allowed Jews to be
free and full fledged citizens. To support this statement, please read the
book written by my famous ancestor Venetianer Lajos (A Magyar Zsidosag
Tortenete - the history of Hungarian Jewry) who was *requested* by the
Budapest Jewish community to write a book in DEFENSE of the Hungarian Jews,
demonstrating how good and decent citizens they were for centuries. The
book is dated 1922 when religious integration and assimilations were the
buzzwords. 20 years later the Arrow Cross were slaughtering us.

For G-d's sake, how can somebody feel himself a Hungarian Jew? If one
thinks antisemitism has changed this person is very very wrong - it is as
extreme as it was before Horty took over, before Queen Elisabeth expelled
us >from Hungarian territories, before other Hungarian Kings persecuted us
and made the lives of Jews miserable to extremes.

I am sorry to bring this up, but one joke that circulated in my country
(Slovakia) after liberation was the following: an American lady got news
from her family who survived the Holocaust. That letter informed that her
aunt has been murdered by the Nazi bastards. In answer she wrote the
following (in broken Hungarian) "Nagyon sajnalatos hogy Siszi neni meg
gyilkolta a lagerba mert o nagyon szimpatikus mindenkihez volt" (== it is
to regret that aunt Siszi was murdered in the lager because she was always
such a nice person to everybody). The moral of this was of course that
American Jews were *unable* to grasp the magnitude of the barbarism that
was committed against our people.

In my opinion it is an offense to the memory of all those brethren who died
because of persecutions to declare myself a Slovakian Jew. It's a mocking
of their martyrdom. I am sorry, I may be even sinning, but I will NEVER
forget!!!

In Peace and Harmony I wish you all Happy Holidays
May the Lord have mercy of my soul
Tom

--------------------
Linda Cohen wrote:

I am an American who is Jewish, and I am a Jew who is an American. I don't need any one to give me the right to be who I am. No one can take who I am >from me as what we are in our minds and hearts. So to further process my idea:If a person is Hungarian, he is. If he is Jewish, he is. Freedom means not having to choose between the two, nor put one first.


Bertha FIEDLER-WEGNER family #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

I am interested in contacting any descendants of Bertha FIEDLER, who was a
relative (perhaps sister or cousin) of Arthur FIEDLER (the late conductor
of the Boston Pops).

Bertha FIEDLER was either the first or second wife of Julius Juda WEGNER
(b. 1863) of Vienna. My husband, Peter WEGNER, is a grandson of Julius
WEGNER by his third wife, and we are looking for descendants by either of
the first two wives.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


Hungary SIG #Hungary * Being a Jew (was Re: Center for Jewish History) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Linda and all,

I am replying this message in public not because I wish to raise a
controversy but because history must be seen within the correct perspective
to make justice to those millions who have been murdered among us - not
only by the Nazis but by the Spaniards, Pollack, Ukrainians, Russians, just
to mention a few.

What Linda writes is of course correct - in America, the archetype of
freedom, one MUST profess what Linda professes. But for one single reason -
because Americans are *allowed* to be free.

But put yourselves in the shoes of Jews living in Europe and in the Middle
Eastern countries where they have been persecuted for centuries if not
millenia. Is the same attitude valid? Clearly not.

Just to come back to Hungary, the Hungarians *never* allowed Jews to be
free and full fledged citizens. To support this statement, please read the
book written by my famous ancestor Venetianer Lajos (A Magyar Zsidosag
Tortenete - the history of Hungarian Jewry) who was *requested* by the
Budapest Jewish community to write a book in DEFENSE of the Hungarian Jews,
demonstrating how good and decent citizens they were for centuries. The
book is dated 1922 when religious integration and assimilations were the
buzzwords. 20 years later the Arrow Cross were slaughtering us.

For G-d's sake, how can somebody feel himself a Hungarian Jew? If one
thinks antisemitism has changed this person is very very wrong - it is as
extreme as it was before Horty took over, before Queen Elisabeth expelled
us >from Hungarian territories, before other Hungarian Kings persecuted us
and made the lives of Jews miserable to extremes.

I am sorry to bring this up, but one joke that circulated in my country
(Slovakia) after liberation was the following: an American lady got news
from her family who survived the Holocaust. That letter informed that her
aunt has been murdered by the Nazi bastards. In answer she wrote the
following (in broken Hungarian) "Nagyon sajnalatos hogy Siszi neni meg
gyilkolta a lagerba mert o nagyon szimpatikus mindenkihez volt" (== it is
to regret that aunt Siszi was murdered in the lager because she was always
such a nice person to everybody). The moral of this was of course that
American Jews were *unable* to grasp the magnitude of the barbarism that
was committed against our people.

In my opinion it is an offense to the memory of all those brethren who died
because of persecutions to declare myself a Slovakian Jew. It's a mocking
of their martyrdom. I am sorry, I may be even sinning, but I will NEVER
forget!!!

In Peace and Harmony I wish you all Happy Holidays
May the Lord have mercy of my soul
Tom

--------------------
Linda Cohen wrote:

I am an American who is Jewish, and I am a Jew who is an American. I don't need any one to give me the right to be who I am. No one can take who I am >from me as what we are in our minds and hearts. So to further process my idea:If a person is Hungarian, he is. If he is Jewish, he is. Freedom means not having to choose between the two, nor put one first.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bertha FIEDLER-WEGNER family #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

I am interested in contacting any descendants of Bertha FIEDLER, who was a
relative (perhaps sister or cousin) of Arthur FIEDLER (the late conductor
of the Boston Pops).

Bertha FIEDLER was either the first or second wife of Julius Juda WEGNER
(b. 1863) of Vienna. My husband, Peter WEGNER, is a grandson of Julius
WEGNER by his third wife, and we are looking for descendants by either of
the first two wives.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


CORB Help needed #general

DC <dcinotti@...>
 

Hello all,

I seem to have run into a few dead ends and am wondering if anybody out
there can help me. I am looking for information on the family of Morty
CORB, a big band musician who passed away a couple of years ago. I have
reason to believe that he might be one of my missing Corb's. If anybody
knows how to cvontact his family or has any great ideas, I'd love to
know. I've tried going through record companies, but have had no luck.

Many Thanks
Abbee Corb-Cinotti


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CORB Help needed #general

DC <dcinotti@...>
 

Hello all,

I seem to have run into a few dead ends and am wondering if anybody out
there can help me. I am looking for information on the family of Morty
CORB, a big band musician who passed away a couple of years ago. I have
reason to believe that he might be one of my missing Corb's. If anybody
knows how to cvontact his family or has any great ideas, I'd love to
know. I've tried going through record companies, but have had no luck.

Many Thanks
Abbee Corb-Cinotti


Kapnibanya #hungary

Alfred Klein <dcas17@...>
 

Hi all,

Can someone help me with the location of Kapnibanya? My aunt was born
there. It is located in Transylvania or more probably Maramures. I have
looked for it on maps and atlases and on the Jewish gen site but, have been
unable to find it.

Alfred Klein
New York
dcas17@tiac.net


Hungary SIG #Hungary Kapnibanya #hungary

Alfred Klein <dcas17@...>
 

Hi all,

Can someone help me with the location of Kapnibanya? My aunt was born
there. It is located in Transylvania or more probably Maramures. I have
looked for it on maps and atlases and on the Jewish gen site but, have been
unable to find it.

Alfred Klein
New York
dcas17@tiac.net


Boston, Mass. Census #general

Gillian Zebaida
 

I have an address on an envelope dated 13 December 1926 of 133 Chambers
Street. I am trying to find a Kurland/Kurlan/Karlan/Karland family. Is
there anyone out there who might have access to the 1925 census for Boston,
who could take a look for me. I'm a long way >from the nearest LDS Centre.


Gillian Zebaida.
Researching: AMERIKANER (Ickelheim), BLUMENTHAL / ROBBINS (San Francisco),
DOLLAR/Dolliar / DUBE / ZASLAVER (Mogilev Podolskiy), EISMANN/EISEMANN
(?Grosskrotzenberg), HERZBERGER / NORDHAUSER (Wustensachen),OPPENHEIMER
(Worms), HIRSCHMANN / SCHMIDT (Grosskrotzenberg) REUS (Reis/Reiss),
SHOVERS (Racine, Wi) WERTHEIMER (Mannehim), ZEBAIDA (Iraq/USA)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Boston, Mass. Census #general

Gillian Zebaida
 

I have an address on an envelope dated 13 December 1926 of 133 Chambers
Street. I am trying to find a Kurland/Kurlan/Karlan/Karland family. Is
there anyone out there who might have access to the 1925 census for Boston,
who could take a look for me. I'm a long way >from the nearest LDS Centre.


Gillian Zebaida.
Researching: AMERIKANER (Ickelheim), BLUMENTHAL / ROBBINS (San Francisco),
DOLLAR/Dolliar / DUBE / ZASLAVER (Mogilev Podolskiy), EISMANN/EISEMANN
(?Grosskrotzenberg), HERZBERGER / NORDHAUSER (Wustensachen),OPPENHEIMER
(Worms), HIRSCHMANN / SCHMIDT (Grosskrotzenberg) REUS (Reis/Reiss),
SHOVERS (Racine, Wi) WERTHEIMER (Mannehim), ZEBAIDA (Iraq/USA)


Kindertransport to England #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Subject: Children saved >from WWII by going to England

During WWII, some German Jewish children were saved by being sent to England
and being adopted there. Can anyone tell me if (1) the Jewish children from
Poland may have been involved in such a plan, and (2) if there is an
organization that can be contacted regarding the possible whereabouts of
these children.
You are referring to the Kindertransport children (my husband was one).
This initiative, made possible by a vote of the British Parliament, saved
10,000 children (mostly, but not all, Jewish) in 1938-39. Most came from
Germany, Austria or Czechoslovakia. Today, many belong to organizations
like the Reunion of Kindertransport (founded in London in 1989) or the
Kindertransport Association (founded in USA in 1990).

In general, Polish children were not involved in the Kindertransports. The
trains left >from Vienna, Berlin, and Prague. Nor were the
Kinderstransport children, in general, adopted. They were placed in foster
homes and hostels. No doubt some may have been ultimately adopted by those
who sheltered them, but certainly not the majority, whose placement in
homes, hostels, and boarding schools was supervised by the Jewish Board of
Guardians in London.

To determine whether any Kindertransport children were of Polish origin,
try writing to Kurt Goldberger, President, Kindertransport Association, 36
Dean Street, Hicksville NY 11801, or to Bertha Leverton, President, Reunion
of Kindertransport, 1 Hampstead Gate, 1a Frognal, London NW3 6AL.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kindertransport to England #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Subject: Children saved >from WWII by going to England

During WWII, some German Jewish children were saved by being sent to England
and being adopted there. Can anyone tell me if (1) the Jewish children from
Poland may have been involved in such a plan, and (2) if there is an
organization that can be contacted regarding the possible whereabouts of
these children.
You are referring to the Kindertransport children (my husband was one).
This initiative, made possible by a vote of the British Parliament, saved
10,000 children (mostly, but not all, Jewish) in 1938-39. Most came from
Germany, Austria or Czechoslovakia. Today, many belong to organizations
like the Reunion of Kindertransport (founded in London in 1989) or the
Kindertransport Association (founded in USA in 1990).

In general, Polish children were not involved in the Kindertransports. The
trains left >from Vienna, Berlin, and Prague. Nor were the
Kinderstransport children, in general, adopted. They were placed in foster
homes and hostels. No doubt some may have been ultimately adopted by those
who sheltered them, but certainly not the majority, whose placement in
homes, hostels, and boarding schools was supervised by the Jewish Board of
Guardians in London.

To determine whether any Kindertransport children were of Polish origin,
try writing to Kurt Goldberger, President, Kindertransport Association, 36
Dean Street, Hicksville NY 11801, or to Bertha Leverton, President, Reunion
of Kindertransport, 1 Hampstead Gate, 1a Frognal, London NW3 6AL.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


WEB sites translating letters into Spanish #general

Jose Gutstein <jmg-miami@...>
 

Being fluent in Spanish, I should caution that such literal translations
sometimes result in very unusual language, to say the least, though I
realize such a Web Site feature IS certainly better than nothing.

I tried the Web Site Stephen Mednick mentioned (see below) using the English
text that he wrote in the posting. The result was a Spanish translation
that, though understandable (especially since I had read the English version
and knew what to expect), produced some strange phrasing and grammar. It
takes words and produces a literal translation, instead of taking phrases at
a time. Spanish doesn't lend itself to such literal translations.

But like I said before, it does at least produce a result that is readable,
though I caution, not in all cases, depending on the intricacy of the
original English text.

Jose Gutstein
JMG-Miami@msn.com


Stephen Mednick wrote:

Thanks very much to Ricki Zunk who put me onto a very useful web site to
help achieve my objective listed below.

The web location is the AltaVista Translations facility and the web
address is http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? At
this site you can enter text in one language and it will translate it
into another for you. With reference to the letter I wanted to mail, I
cut the text >from the WORD document and pasted it into the text box at
the web site and hit the translate button. After the translated text
appeared, I highlighted the text and hit COPY and then using a new WORD
document pasted the translated text into until I eventually had
constructed the letter I wanted written in Spanish.

The translation facility supports a number of popular languages.
SNIP


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WEB sites translating letters into Spanish #general

Jose Gutstein <jmg-miami@...>
 

Being fluent in Spanish, I should caution that such literal translations
sometimes result in very unusual language, to say the least, though I
realize such a Web Site feature IS certainly better than nothing.

I tried the Web Site Stephen Mednick mentioned (see below) using the English
text that he wrote in the posting. The result was a Spanish translation
that, though understandable (especially since I had read the English version
and knew what to expect), produced some strange phrasing and grammar. It
takes words and produces a literal translation, instead of taking phrases at
a time. Spanish doesn't lend itself to such literal translations.

But like I said before, it does at least produce a result that is readable,
though I caution, not in all cases, depending on the intricacy of the
original English text.

Jose Gutstein
JMG-Miami@msn.com


Stephen Mednick wrote:

Thanks very much to Ricki Zunk who put me onto a very useful web site to
help achieve my objective listed below.

The web location is the AltaVista Translations facility and the web
address is http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? At
this site you can enter text in one language and it will translate it
into another for you. With reference to the letter I wanted to mail, I
cut the text >from the WORD document and pasted it into the text box at
the web site and hit the translate button. After the translated text
appeared, I highlighted the text and hit COPY and then using a new WORD
document pasted the translated text into until I eventually had
constructed the letter I wanted written in Spanish.

The translation facility supports a number of popular languages.
SNIP