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Inns in the late 1800's in Poland #general

Gary Luke <feraltek@...>
 

Anyone know anything about Inns in the late 1800's?
Barbara Gibian Heinrich
Two parts of my family had inns in Polish Galicia, east of Nowy Targ, in
Jablonka and in Piekelnik.

"The Jewish Tavern-keeper in 19th Century Polish Literature" Zalman Shazar
Centre, Jerusalem 1986 is a study of the position of Jewish inn keepers
that could be of interest.

Gary


Gary Luke feraltek@... fax +61-2-9519.9907


Re: Inns in the late 1800's in Poland #general

Jonathan A. Marshall <marshall@...>
 

My father told me that my great-grandfather owned an inn in Sejny, Poland.
The name was Moshe Gibianski. Anyone know anything about Inns in the late
1800's? Barbara Gibian Heinrich
My TURETSKY great-grandparents owned/ran a tavern or inn in Pinsk, Poland,
in the late 1800s and early 1900s. I don't know much about the inns. I do
know a story about my great-grandfather throwing out an unruly Cossack from
his establishment, and then having to leave the country to escape
retribution. He came to the U.S. for some time but then returned to Poland,
saying that the U.S. is a "trefe land" -- an unkosher/unclean place. His
TURETSKY children, including my grandmother, came to the U.S. and to
Uruguay. He and my great-grandmother died in the influenza epidemic of 1918
or 1919.

Pinsk is now part of Belarus.

--Jonathan

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Jonathan A. Marshall, Ph.D.
41 Lyons Road, Basking Ridge, NJ 07920-1917, USA
marshall@..., http://www.cs.unc.edu/~marshall
+1-908-766-1116

MAISEL/MEISEL, KANTROWITZ, KNOR, KANTOR Romanova, near Slutsk/Minsk, Belarus
TURETSKY/TOURETZKY, WEINSTEIN Pinsk, Belarus
EISDORFER, WEISS Kisvarda, Hungary
WEISZ, FISHEL/FISCHEL, TAMBOR Koloszvar/Cluj, Romania
DAVID, REICH Magyar Sovath, Hungary
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Re: Inns in the late 1800's in Poland #general

David Fielker <david@...>
 

According to my great-aunt Pessel, my great-grandfather Nahum SCHNEEBAUM
ran an inn in Pelnatycze, near Jaroslaw. He used to drink with the local
priest once a week, but on Saturday nights she had to be kept >from the bar,
where fights would break out.

My STIEGLITZ family ran an inn in Filipkowce, near Mielnica.

According to Suzan Wynne's excellent book "Finding your roots in Galicia"
(publ. Avotaynu), some 85 per cent of rural Polish Jews were engaged in the
liquor trade, but in 1910 Jews were forbidden to sell alcoholic beverages,
so 15,000 suddenly lost their source of income. This presumably triggered
the subsequent emigrations to the UK and the US.

David Fielker
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Inns in the late 1800's in Poland #general

Gary Luke <feraltek@...>
 

Anyone know anything about Inns in the late 1800's?
Barbara Gibian Heinrich
Two parts of my family had inns in Polish Galicia, east of Nowy Targ, in
Jablonka and in Piekelnik.

"The Jewish Tavern-keeper in 19th Century Polish Literature" Zalman Shazar
Centre, Jerusalem 1986 is a study of the position of Jewish inn keepers
that could be of interest.

Gary


Gary Luke feraltek@... fax +61-2-9519.9907


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Inns in the late 1800's in Poland #general

Jonathan A. Marshall <marshall@...>
 

My father told me that my great-grandfather owned an inn in Sejny, Poland.
The name was Moshe Gibianski. Anyone know anything about Inns in the late
1800's? Barbara Gibian Heinrich
My TURETSKY great-grandparents owned/ran a tavern or inn in Pinsk, Poland,
in the late 1800s and early 1900s. I don't know much about the inns. I do
know a story about my great-grandfather throwing out an unruly Cossack from
his establishment, and then having to leave the country to escape
retribution. He came to the U.S. for some time but then returned to Poland,
saying that the U.S. is a "trefe land" -- an unkosher/unclean place. His
TURETSKY children, including my grandmother, came to the U.S. and to
Uruguay. He and my great-grandmother died in the influenza epidemic of 1918
or 1919.

Pinsk is now part of Belarus.

--Jonathan

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Jonathan A. Marshall, Ph.D.
41 Lyons Road, Basking Ridge, NJ 07920-1917, USA
marshall@..., http://www.cs.unc.edu/~marshall
+1-908-766-1116

MAISEL/MEISEL, KANTROWITZ, KNOR, KANTOR Romanova, near Slutsk/Minsk, Belarus
TURETSKY/TOURETZKY, WEINSTEIN Pinsk, Belarus
EISDORFER, WEISS Kisvarda, Hungary
WEISZ, FISHEL/FISCHEL, TAMBOR Koloszvar/Cluj, Romania
DAVID, REICH Magyar Sovath, Hungary
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Inns in the late 1800's in Poland #general

David Fielker <david@...>
 

According to my great-aunt Pessel, my great-grandfather Nahum SCHNEEBAUM
ran an inn in Pelnatycze, near Jaroslaw. He used to drink with the local
priest once a week, but on Saturday nights she had to be kept >from the bar,
where fights would break out.

My STIEGLITZ family ran an inn in Filipkowce, near Mielnica.

According to Suzan Wynne's excellent book "Finding your roots in Galicia"
(publ. Avotaynu), some 85 per cent of rural Polish Jews were engaged in the
liquor trade, but in 1910 Jews were forbidden to sell alcoholic beverages,
so 15,000 suddenly lost their source of income. This presumably triggered
the subsequent emigrations to the UK and the US.

David Fielker
London, UK


Lingering questions #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

I thank everyone who has been providing input into my recent discoveries.
One interesting piece that has not yet been resolved is the fact that all
those ZISELMANs were living in Okolovo, which appears to be about 45 miles
due west of Stare-Borisov where great-grandpa Israel Hirsh ZISELMAN was
born according to his documents. Since I don't have documents showing a
move to Stare-Borisov, I can only assume that Yeruchem moved there when he
married his wife Leah JAFFE.

Also, do people agree with me that *absent* must often refer to being away
on business rather than dead, since death is often referred to explicitly?
Old Mordechai ZISELMAN was *absent* >from the census since 1824, and his son
Shmuel since 1854, even though his son Yeruchem and his wife Esther YUDOVA
were listed in 1858 without mention of Shmuel having died.

Finally, when did census or tax documents begin in the Russian empire? Did
they start only at the beginning of the 19th century?

May everyone have an easy Yom Kippur fast.

David Goldman
davic@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lingering questions #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

I thank everyone who has been providing input into my recent discoveries.
One interesting piece that has not yet been resolved is the fact that all
those ZISELMANs were living in Okolovo, which appears to be about 45 miles
due west of Stare-Borisov where great-grandpa Israel Hirsh ZISELMAN was
born according to his documents. Since I don't have documents showing a
move to Stare-Borisov, I can only assume that Yeruchem moved there when he
married his wife Leah JAFFE.

Also, do people agree with me that *absent* must often refer to being away
on business rather than dead, since death is often referred to explicitly?
Old Mordechai ZISELMAN was *absent* >from the census since 1824, and his son
Shmuel since 1854, even though his son Yeruchem and his wife Esther YUDOVA
were listed in 1858 without mention of Shmuel having died.

Finally, when did census or tax documents begin in the Russian empire? Did
they start only at the beginning of the 19th century?

May everyone have an easy Yom Kippur fast.

David Goldman
davic@...


HATFIELD-GREEN #general

Judith Wolkovitch <102444.44@...>
 

Can anyone shed any light on a family by the name of HATFIELD-GREEN who
lived in England in the late 1800's?

Many thanks,

Shana Tova!

Judy Wolkovitch 102444.44@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HATFIELD-GREEN #general

Judith Wolkovitch <102444.44@...>
 

Can anyone shed any light on a family by the name of HATFIELD-GREEN who
lived in England in the late 1800's?

Many thanks,

Shana Tova!

Judy Wolkovitch 102444.44@...


Searching: GRANOVSKY #general

_DEFAULT <_DEFAULT@...>
 

Im looking for info on the GRANOVSKY family, formerly of the Ukraine.
Great-grandfather Peter GRANOVSKY left Balta, Ukraine in 1906 for Lafayette, Indiana, where his name was changed to GRANOWSKY.
Any GRANOVSKYs out there?

Jefferson Graham
Manhattan Beach, CA 90266
jeffersongraham@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: GRANOVSKY #general

_DEFAULT <_DEFAULT@...>
 

Im looking for info on the GRANOVSKY family, formerly of the Ukraine.
Great-grandfather Peter GRANOVSKY left Balta, Ukraine in 1906 for Lafayette, Indiana, where his name was changed to GRANOWSKY.
Any GRANOVSKYs out there?

Jefferson Graham
Manhattan Beach, CA 90266
jeffersongraham@...


Email to Jim Yarin bounced #general

Guillermo Steinberg & Jorge Ansorena <stegui@...>
 

I am trying to reach Jim Yarin about his Frumkin
research. His E-mail obtained >from the JewishGen archives is not working.
If he is out there or anyone knows how to reach him, please email me
privately.
Guillermo Steinberg
mailto: <stegui@...>

Searching for:
STEINBERG, REMPEL >from Odessa
FRUMKIN, IDELSOHN >from Nikolayev


Re: UK Certificates #unitedkingdom

Stephen Mednick <cssaus@...>
 

Further to some recent postings about obtaining Birth/Death/Marriage
Certificated in the UK via email, I made some inquiries about this and yes,
it can be done. The Office of National Statistics did have a security
concern about sending credit details in an email message but that's up to
the requestor to be concerned about.

The ONS also sent me the application forms that can be used to request a
Birth, Death or Marriage Certificate and also a form listing all the fees.
These forms are Word documents and I'd be happy to forward them to someone
if they felt it warranted inclusion in the Jewishgen files.

To repeat, if you want to request certificates by email, use:

mailto:certificate.services@...


If you want to request certificates by fax, send to:

+44-1704-550-013

If you want to request certificates by mail, send to:

General Register Office
P.O. Box 2
Southport, Merseyside
United Kingdom PR8 2JD

The Office of National Statistics (ONS) has a very good web site at:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons_f.htm


Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
cssaus@...

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


Munich - Australia 1949 #general

Ted Ashkenazy <tia@...>
 

On one of the boats carrying DP immigrants >from Germany to australia in ca
1949, there was a young man MICKEY. He was in his early twenties,
originally >from Vilnius (Vilna), probably together with his Russian
girlfriend. He was a good friend of mine but I never knew his last name.
Any hints? suggestions?

Ted Ashkenazy
tia@...
1998 09 30


records of donations to Eretz Israel #general

Theo Travis <travis@...>
 

A passage about my ancestral shtetl (Gudel, Lithuania) in Pinkas haKehillot
Lita mentions a significant numbers of Gudel donors by 1923 to early
settlements in Eretz Israel. Would records of this type of donation be kept,
in Israel or anywhere else? How would whoever compiled Pinkas haKehillot
Lita know this fact unless they had seen some records or other evidence and
how does one get hold of the information?

Madelyn Travis
travis@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Email to Jim Yarin bounced #general

Guillermo Steinberg & Jorge Ansorena <stegui@...>
 

I am trying to reach Jim Yarin about his Frumkin
research. His E-mail obtained >from the JewishGen archives is not working.
If he is out there or anyone knows how to reach him, please email me
privately.
Guillermo Steinberg
mailto: <stegui@...>

Searching for:
STEINBERG, REMPEL >from Odessa
FRUMKIN, IDELSOHN >from Nikolayev


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: UK Certificates #general

Stephen Mednick <cssaus@...>
 

Further to some recent postings about obtaining Birth/Death/Marriage
Certificated in the UK via email, I made some inquiries about this and yes,
it can be done. The Office of National Statistics did have a security
concern about sending credit details in an email message but that's up to
the requestor to be concerned about.

The ONS also sent me the application forms that can be used to request a
Birth, Death or Marriage Certificate and also a form listing all the fees.
These forms are Word documents and I'd be happy to forward them to someone
if they felt it warranted inclusion in the Jewishgen files.

To repeat, if you want to request certificates by email, use:

mailto:certificate.services@...


If you want to request certificates by fax, send to:

+44-1704-550-013

If you want to request certificates by mail, send to:

General Register Office
P.O. Box 2
Southport, Merseyside
United Kingdom PR8 2JD

The Office of National Statistics (ONS) has a very good web site at:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons_f.htm


Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
cssaus@...

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Munich - Australia 1949 #general

Ted Ashkenazy <tia@...>
 

On one of the boats carrying DP immigrants >from Germany to australia in ca
1949, there was a young man MICKEY. He was in his early twenties,
originally >from Vilnius (Vilna), probably together with his Russian
girlfriend. He was a good friend of mine but I never knew his last name.
Any hints? suggestions?

Ted Ashkenazy
tia@...
1998 09 30


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen records of donations to Eretz Israel #general

Theo Travis <travis@...>
 

A passage about my ancestral shtetl (Gudel, Lithuania) in Pinkas haKehillot
Lita mentions a significant numbers of Gudel donors by 1923 to early
settlements in Eretz Israel. Would records of this type of donation be kept,
in Israel or anywhere else? How would whoever compiled Pinkas haKehillot
Lita know this fact unless they had seen some records or other evidence and
how does one get hold of the information?

Madelyn Travis
travis@...