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JGS of North Jersey Meeting #general

EStolb7395@...
 

The next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society (JGS) of North Jersey will
be held on Thursday, October 22nd at 8:00 pm. at the YM=96YWHA of North Jersey,
1 Pike Road in Wayne, 973-595-0100.

Do you have a scandal in your family tree? While researching her mother's
genealogy, Sylvia Firschein found her mother's immigration was part of a
national scandal. Come hear this fascinating story. Her research techniques
might help you with your own research. And you never know, you just might be
included in this national scandal also!

Sylvia Firschein founded the JGS of North Jersey while working as librarian for
the YM-YWHA and is also a retired public school librarian. She now has time to
pursue her genealogical roots and has given lectures on genealogy in New Jersey
and Florida.

The Charles & Bessie Goldman Library will open at 7:00 pm. Come use our resource
center and socialize, then join us at 8:00 pm. for our meeting.
There is no charge for the program, and all are welcome.

Want to learn how to trace your roots? A Beginners' Workshop is scheduled for
Sunday, November 1st, 1-4 p.m. at the Y.. Advance registration is necessary.
Members $20 Non-members $30 Membership and workshop$40. For more information,
please contact Evan at Estolb7395@aol.com

directions >from 80 W to 46 W, make a right on Riverview Drive, at light, make
left and then right (Riverview road) make 6th right onto Valley Road, make a
right on Ratzer Road, make 2nd left onto Pike (can see the Y >from Ratzer)
from 287S to Rt23 South, take Ratzer Road Service Road, follow road to intersection,
make a left and then right staying on Ratzer, follow road, will cross intersection
(Valley Road), then make second left onto Pike.

Evan Stolbach
President, JGS of North Jersey
STOLBACH, STRIZOWER, ZYSBLAT, DUNKIEL/DUNKEL,KAPLAN/KENIGSBERG (Lodz area)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of North Jersey Meeting #general

EStolb7395@...
 

The next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society (JGS) of North Jersey will
be held on Thursday, October 22nd at 8:00 pm. at the YM=96YWHA of North Jersey,
1 Pike Road in Wayne, 973-595-0100.

Do you have a scandal in your family tree? While researching her mother's
genealogy, Sylvia Firschein found her mother's immigration was part of a
national scandal. Come hear this fascinating story. Her research techniques
might help you with your own research. And you never know, you just might be
included in this national scandal also!

Sylvia Firschein founded the JGS of North Jersey while working as librarian for
the YM-YWHA and is also a retired public school librarian. She now has time to
pursue her genealogical roots and has given lectures on genealogy in New Jersey
and Florida.

The Charles & Bessie Goldman Library will open at 7:00 pm. Come use our resource
center and socialize, then join us at 8:00 pm. for our meeting.
There is no charge for the program, and all are welcome.

Want to learn how to trace your roots? A Beginners' Workshop is scheduled for
Sunday, November 1st, 1-4 p.m. at the Y.. Advance registration is necessary.
Members $20 Non-members $30 Membership and workshop$40. For more information,
please contact Evan at Estolb7395@aol.com

directions >from 80 W to 46 W, make a right on Riverview Drive, at light, make
left and then right (Riverview road) make 6th right onto Valley Road, make a
right on Ratzer Road, make 2nd left onto Pike (can see the Y >from Ratzer)
from 287S to Rt23 South, take Ratzer Road Service Road, follow road to intersection,
make a left and then right staying on Ratzer, follow road, will cross intersection
(Valley Road), then make second left onto Pike.

Evan Stolbach
President, JGS of North Jersey
STOLBACH, STRIZOWER, ZYSBLAT, DUNKIEL/DUNKEL,KAPLAN/KENIGSBERG (Lodz area)


Re: Genealogy of famous people #general

Ray/Lee White <zeppo@...>
 

I have a book called Rashi in the Jewisk Thinkers series.
You may find that of some help.
Author is Chaim Pearl, general Editor is Arthur Hertzberg.
Published by Weidenfeld and Nicholson (London)1988 ISBN
No is 1 87001 509 6

Ray/Lee White

Moshe Wolf wrote:
Where I can found the roots or the descendants of:
RASHI (R Shlomo Yizhaki)
BACH (R Yoel Sirkish)
The MAHARAM >from Padowa (R Meir Katsenelboigen)
The MAHARAL >from Prague (R Yehuda Liva).
Can I find this details on the Net?
MODERATOR NOTE: Commercial source deleted


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Genealogy of famous people #general

Ray/Lee White <zeppo@...>
 

I have a book called Rashi in the Jewisk Thinkers series.
You may find that of some help.
Author is Chaim Pearl, general Editor is Arthur Hertzberg.
Published by Weidenfeld and Nicholson (London)1988 ISBN
No is 1 87001 509 6

Ray/Lee White

Moshe Wolf wrote:
Where I can found the roots or the descendants of:
RASHI (R Shlomo Yizhaki)
BACH (R Yoel Sirkish)
The MAHARAM >from Padowa (R Meir Katsenelboigen)
The MAHARAL >from Prague (R Yehuda Liva).
Can I find this details on the Net?
MODERATOR NOTE: Commercial source deleted


Re: Katzenellenbogen #galicia

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Katzenellenbogen is the name of a town in Germany where, presumably,
Meir of Padua came from. Check out the Stetl Seeker for precise
location.
Sally Bruckheimer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Katzenellenbogen #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Katzenellenbogen is the name of a town in Germany where, presumably,
Meir of Padua came from. Check out the Stetl Seeker for precise
location.
Sally Bruckheimer


Contacting author Philip Roth #general

Masnick, Burt <masnick@...>
 

My name is Burt Masnick and I have reason to believe that I may be
related (distantly) to author Philip Roth (Portnoy's Complaint, Goodbye
Columbus, etc). A first cousin remembered distinctly that the family
had been invited to a "Roth" wedding in the early 1940s and my sister
recalled that she was startled to find a character surnamed Masnick in
one of his books (still trying to find out which book). Does anyone
know how I could get in touch with (or research getting in touch with)
the noted author to question him on this possible connection? Thanks in
advance.

Researching
ANTANIR, AXELRAD, BILLIG, BLITZ, BROWNSTEIN, FINKELSTEIN, LEITNER,
MASNICK, MESHNICK, MESNICK, PAKMAN, SCHMUKLER.

Burt Masnick
BJMasnick@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Contacting author Philip Roth #general

Masnick, Burt <masnick@...>
 

My name is Burt Masnick and I have reason to believe that I may be
related (distantly) to author Philip Roth (Portnoy's Complaint, Goodbye
Columbus, etc). A first cousin remembered distinctly that the family
had been invited to a "Roth" wedding in the early 1940s and my sister
recalled that she was startled to find a character surnamed Masnick in
one of his books (still trying to find out which book). Does anyone
know how I could get in touch with (or research getting in touch with)
the noted author to question him on this possible connection? Thanks in
advance.

Researching
ANTANIR, AXELRAD, BILLIG, BLITZ, BROWNSTEIN, FINKELSTEIN, LEITNER,
MASNICK, MESHNICK, MESNICK, PAKMAN, SCHMUKLER.

Burt Masnick
BJMasnick@aol.com


Re: "Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" ==Kinnuy? #general

Nathan Reiss <reiss@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com writes:

"Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" . . . .
All three names are derived >from the German Suess = sweet.
Can anyone tell me with what Hebrew name it is associated as kinnuy? Was >it relatively more common in certain areas or eras?
There was a thread in this newsgroup some time ago regarding the kinnui
of the name Siskind, which I would guess is of the same origin as the ones
that you mention. It is frequently connected with the name Alexander.
The theory as to the origin of this connection that I espoused at the
time, which no one supported or contradicted, is that the name Alexander
in some languages (e.g. Arabic) becomes Iskander, which kind of has a
similar sound to Siskind. Although this theory may not be correct,
the kinnui Siskind => Alexander definitely is very common.

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" ==Kinnuy? #general

Nathan Reiss <reiss@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com writes:

"Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" . . . .
All three names are derived >from the German Suess = sweet.
Can anyone tell me with what Hebrew name it is associated as kinnuy? Was >it relatively more common in certain areas or eras?
There was a thread in this newsgroup some time ago regarding the kinnui
of the name Siskind, which I would guess is of the same origin as the ones
that you mention. It is frequently connected with the name Alexander.
The theory as to the origin of this connection that I espoused at the
time, which no one supported or contradicted, is that the name Alexander
in some languages (e.g. Arabic) becomes Iskander, which kind of has a
similar sound to Siskind. Although this theory may not be correct,
the kinnui Siskind => Alexander definitely is very common.

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu


Re: Books on Jewish naming traditions & etymology #general

Nathan Reiss <reiss@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com writes:

Francis Busser, a well-versed and extremely generous contributor to the
Alsace-Lorraine List, asked me "Do you know a publication or a book about
Jewish naming traditions and etymology? "

A book that I've found very helpful (I've heard negative comments about how
scholarly it is, but whenever I've bad the opportunity to check something out,
the book has nearly always been correct.):

Kaganoff, Benzion C., 1977: A Dictionary of Jewish Names and their History.
Schocken Books, New York. 250 pp.

The book includes a bibliography of older publications, some entries more
complete than others. The following are ones that appear to deal with naming
traditions and etymology:

Dreifuss, Erwin Manuel, 1927: Die Familiennamen der Juden. Frankfurt am Main.

Eshel, Moshe Hanina, 1967: Shemot Hamishpahah BeYisrael. Haifa.

Gray, G. Buchanan, 1896: Studies in Hebrew Proper Names. London.

Kessler, Gerhard, 1935: Die Familiennamen der Juden in Deutschland. Leipzig.

Kolatch, Alfred J., 1948: These are the Names. New York.

Zunz, Leopold, 1837: Die Namen der Juden. Leipzig.

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu

Researching: REISS, STRAUSS, BAUM, GOLDSCHMIDT, LILIENSTEIN, EDELMUTH
GRIESHEIM, METZGER, MAY, all >from Hesse, Germany;
GOLDBLUM and FREYLICH >from Olkusz, Russo-Poland;
KRIEGER >from Malecz and Oswiecim (Auschwitz), Austro-Poland.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Books on Jewish naming traditions & etymology #general

Nathan Reiss <reiss@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com writes:

Francis Busser, a well-versed and extremely generous contributor to the
Alsace-Lorraine List, asked me "Do you know a publication or a book about
Jewish naming traditions and etymology? "

A book that I've found very helpful (I've heard negative comments about how
scholarly it is, but whenever I've bad the opportunity to check something out,
the book has nearly always been correct.):

Kaganoff, Benzion C., 1977: A Dictionary of Jewish Names and their History.
Schocken Books, New York. 250 pp.

The book includes a bibliography of older publications, some entries more
complete than others. The following are ones that appear to deal with naming
traditions and etymology:

Dreifuss, Erwin Manuel, 1927: Die Familiennamen der Juden. Frankfurt am Main.

Eshel, Moshe Hanina, 1967: Shemot Hamishpahah BeYisrael. Haifa.

Gray, G. Buchanan, 1896: Studies in Hebrew Proper Names. London.

Kessler, Gerhard, 1935: Die Familiennamen der Juden in Deutschland. Leipzig.

Kolatch, Alfred J., 1948: These are the Names. New York.

Zunz, Leopold, 1837: Die Namen der Juden. Leipzig.

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu

Researching: REISS, STRAUSS, BAUM, GOLDSCHMIDT, LILIENSTEIN, EDELMUTH
GRIESHEIM, METZGER, MAY, all >from Hesse, Germany;
GOLDBLUM and FREYLICH >from Olkusz, Russo-Poland;
KRIEGER >from Malecz and Oswiecim (Auschwitz), Austro-Poland.


Need legal help in Czech Rep. #general

moshe susser <msusser@...>
 

We need an attorney, or other legal help to reclaim a property in the
Czech Republic. Any help or advise will be appreciated.
Moshe Susser

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need legal help in Czech Rep. #general

moshe susser <msusser@...>
 

We need an attorney, or other legal help to reclaim a property in the
Czech Republic. Any help or advise will be appreciated.
Moshe Susser

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


New Beginners Course in London starts 21st October #general

Beverley Olsberg <BOlsberg@...>
 

This is to invite you, your relatives and friends to join a Genealogy
Beginners Course specifically designed by the JGSGB for the Spiro
Institute at the Old House, Kidderpore Gardens, Hampstead, London, NW3
starting 21st October 1998 for 8 weeks on Wednesday mornings 10.30am to
12.30pm . Cost: 48 pounds (reduced to 40 pounds for JGSGB members)

Are you interested in unlocking your family's history? Is your goal to
brush up on dusty genealogy skills?


This type of course stimulates discussion and unites grandparents,
parents, children, cousins, aunts & uncles .... so bring one of your
relatives to accompany you, working together to hasten the recall process
with all the enthusiasm that it engenders ... it will be a worthwhile
investment!

The course will introduce you to the resources essential for researching
your family history. Experienced speakers >from the JGSGB reveal where you
can uncover an enormous selection of records; explain how data can be
compiled with (or without) a computer; how the internet can be useful; and
advise on many other aspects of research - such as how best to conduct
interviews and how to gain access to records in Eastern Europe. With the
possibility of a further series in the Spring, including conducted visits
to major resource centres, here is an opportunity to learn to make
history - and organise a family reunion!

For prospectus or to register direct contact: The Spiro Institute on 0171-
431 0345

For further information about the course contact: Beverley Olsberg
<BOlsberg@compuserve.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Beginners Course in London starts 21st October #general

Beverley Olsberg <BOlsberg@...>
 

This is to invite you, your relatives and friends to join a Genealogy
Beginners Course specifically designed by the JGSGB for the Spiro
Institute at the Old House, Kidderpore Gardens, Hampstead, London, NW3
starting 21st October 1998 for 8 weeks on Wednesday mornings 10.30am to
12.30pm . Cost: 48 pounds (reduced to 40 pounds for JGSGB members)

Are you interested in unlocking your family's history? Is your goal to
brush up on dusty genealogy skills?


This type of course stimulates discussion and unites grandparents,
parents, children, cousins, aunts & uncles .... so bring one of your
relatives to accompany you, working together to hasten the recall process
with all the enthusiasm that it engenders ... it will be a worthwhile
investment!

The course will introduce you to the resources essential for researching
your family history. Experienced speakers >from the JGSGB reveal where you
can uncover an enormous selection of records; explain how data can be
compiled with (or without) a computer; how the internet can be useful; and
advise on many other aspects of research - such as how best to conduct
interviews and how to gain access to records in Eastern Europe. With the
possibility of a further series in the Spring, including conducted visits
to major resource centres, here is an opportunity to learn to make
history - and organise a family reunion!

For prospectus or to register direct contact: The Spiro Institute on 0171-
431 0345

For further information about the course contact: Beverley Olsberg
<BOlsberg@compuserve.com>


A hold of land #hungary

Peter S. Spiro <peter.spiro@...>
 

A Hungarian hold is equal to 1.42 acres (0.57 hectares). Obviously, 120
hold was quite enough to enable somebody to be a prosperous full-time
farmer. There were poor peasant families who subsisted on as little as
5 or 10 holds. However, it does not really answer your question. It
depends on how entrepreneurial they were. >from what I know of the Jews
of that time and place, they tried to be as diversified as they could
be. Therefore, it is quite possible that they farmed out a fair bit of
their land to tenants, or hired large numbers of farm employees, and
also ran some other business on the side. My wife's grandfather in
Zemplen had 80 holds of land, but also kept a tavern on the side. A
further temptation to doing this was that they had a lot of children and
thus a lot of hands to keep busy.
--

| Peter Spiro ----- Toronto, Canada |
| Visit my homepage at: |
| http://webhome.idirect.com/~spirop/ |


Hungary SIG #Hungary A hold of land #hungary

Peter S. Spiro <peter.spiro@...>
 

A Hungarian hold is equal to 1.42 acres (0.57 hectares). Obviously, 120
hold was quite enough to enable somebody to be a prosperous full-time
farmer. There were poor peasant families who subsisted on as little as
5 or 10 holds. However, it does not really answer your question. It
depends on how entrepreneurial they were. >from what I know of the Jews
of that time and place, they tried to be as diversified as they could
be. Therefore, it is quite possible that they farmed out a fair bit of
their land to tenants, or hired large numbers of farm employees, and
also ran some other business on the side. My wife's grandfather in
Zemplen had 80 holds of land, but also kept a tavern on the side. A
further temptation to doing this was that they had a lot of children and
thus a lot of hands to keep busy.
--

| Peter Spiro ----- Toronto, Canada |
| Visit my homepage at: |
| http://webhome.idirect.com/~spirop/ |


Russian Jews in italy #general

dardasht@...
 

A possible source of information has come to my attention. In the late 19th
century and early 20th century (pre-1933) there were a series of spa towns in Italy
frequented by Russian/Belarussian Jews.
A cousin, Mikhail TALALAY, is researching the history of the Russian
diaspora in Italy (he lives in Florence). It seems the Russian Orthodox church was
quite active in many such towns, setting up traveler's houses, etc., as well as
establishing Russian-speaking communities.
Indeed, once I made contact with Misha, he told me that he found a record
of the death of an Emanuel TALALAY >from Mogilev, entered in the archives of the
local Lutheran community in Merano in 1892. The young man was trying to recover
from TB.
Why the Lutheran archives? Misha will investigating why, perhaps in this
year there was not yet an organized Jewish community in the town. He is also going
to contact the local Jewish community and ask them as well.
Additionally, when relating the story to another cousin, Victor TALALAY of
Toronto, Victor told me that his great-grandmother, the mother of Sophia Brosterman
TALALAY - originally of Gomel, spent the years 1920-30 in the same city, Merano.
A Russian doctor by the name of Messing was promoting the spa towns and
many people came. If you were a Russian-speaking Jew and thought this would help,
you would naturally go to where a Russian-speaking community was available to help
you, thus I would assume, relationships perhaps sprung up between certain towns.
perhaps people >from Mogilev and Gomel had settled in Merano and encouraged others
to visit.
This diaspora was news to me, as I am sure it is exciting news to others,
and perhaps opens other avenues of research.
We had previously known about Minai TALALAY (male), born 1873, who had died
at the age of 27 in Carlsbad, also searching for a cure. He was >from the branch
that had previousl resettled >from Mogilev to Moscow, in late 19th century.
Misha is of course now looking for TALALAY as his own reserch project
proceeds.
We don't normally look for Belarussian Jews in Italy, but I am sure that
these two references listed above are not the only incidents!!
This is about all I have right now, but I will post more information as I
learn about it.
Good luck to all.
Schelly Dardashti
JGS of Southern Nevada-East
dardasht@ix.netcom.com
Mogilev/Voratinschtina: TALALAY, BERLIN, LURIA, MERLIN/MIRLS, MITTLEMAN, KORE,
STAROSELSKY, ALTSHUL/ALTSHULER, DISKIN, SINKEVICH, DONIN/DONICH, SHULMAN, ROGOVER,
MINKEN/MUENSTER, RUBINOVICH, RUBINOVA, BOOKBINDER, KAGAN, JASSEN/YASIN. Kovno:
BANK. Iran: DARDASHTI. Spain/North Africa: BENTOLILA/TOLILA. America: TOLLIN,
TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR, TALALAY, TOLILA.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Russian Jews in italy #general

dardasht@...
 

A possible source of information has come to my attention. In the late 19th
century and early 20th century (pre-1933) there were a series of spa towns in Italy
frequented by Russian/Belarussian Jews.
A cousin, Mikhail TALALAY, is researching the history of the Russian
diaspora in Italy (he lives in Florence). It seems the Russian Orthodox church was
quite active in many such towns, setting up traveler's houses, etc., as well as
establishing Russian-speaking communities.
Indeed, once I made contact with Misha, he told me that he found a record
of the death of an Emanuel TALALAY >from Mogilev, entered in the archives of the
local Lutheran community in Merano in 1892. The young man was trying to recover
from TB.
Why the Lutheran archives? Misha will investigating why, perhaps in this
year there was not yet an organized Jewish community in the town. He is also going
to contact the local Jewish community and ask them as well.
Additionally, when relating the story to another cousin, Victor TALALAY of
Toronto, Victor told me that his great-grandmother, the mother of Sophia Brosterman
TALALAY - originally of Gomel, spent the years 1920-30 in the same city, Merano.
A Russian doctor by the name of Messing was promoting the spa towns and
many people came. If you were a Russian-speaking Jew and thought this would help,
you would naturally go to where a Russian-speaking community was available to help
you, thus I would assume, relationships perhaps sprung up between certain towns.
perhaps people >from Mogilev and Gomel had settled in Merano and encouraged others
to visit.
This diaspora was news to me, as I am sure it is exciting news to others,
and perhaps opens other avenues of research.
We had previously known about Minai TALALAY (male), born 1873, who had died
at the age of 27 in Carlsbad, also searching for a cure. He was >from the branch
that had previousl resettled >from Mogilev to Moscow, in late 19th century.
Misha is of course now looking for TALALAY as his own reserch project
proceeds.
We don't normally look for Belarussian Jews in Italy, but I am sure that
these two references listed above are not the only incidents!!
This is about all I have right now, but I will post more information as I
learn about it.
Good luck to all.
Schelly Dardashti
JGS of Southern Nevada-East
dardasht@ix.netcom.com
Mogilev/Voratinschtina: TALALAY, BERLIN, LURIA, MERLIN/MIRLS, MITTLEMAN, KORE,
STAROSELSKY, ALTSHUL/ALTSHULER, DISKIN, SINKEVICH, DONIN/DONICH, SHULMAN, ROGOVER,
MINKEN/MUENSTER, RUBINOVICH, RUBINOVA, BOOKBINDER, KAGAN, JASSEN/YASIN. Kovno:
BANK. Iran: DARDASHTI. Spain/North Africa: BENTOLILA/TOLILA. America: TOLLIN,
TALLIN, TOLL, TALL, TAYLOR, TALALAY, TOLILA.