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Re: Searching: Menachem (Mendel) and Fayga GOLDSTEIN - Czestochowa #general

Seflaum <seflaum@...>
 


Still trying to find out what happened to them in '39. Were they taken to
Treblinka? Anyone know?
The International Tracing Service of the Red Cross has the most complete
information about the fate of Holocaust victims.

Shirley Flaum


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching: Menachem (Mendel) and Fayga GOLDSTEIN - Czestochowa #general

Seflaum <seflaum@...>
 


Still trying to find out what happened to them in '39. Were they taken to
Treblinka? Anyone know?
The International Tracing Service of the Red Cross has the most complete
information about the fate of Holocaust victims.

Shirley Flaum


Re: Searching: VELSHER or similar #general

Eric Forster <eforster@...>
 

Try Felcher. You'll find some (originally >from Poland) in the Brooklyn,
N.Y. phone directory.

Benne Velsher wrote:

The English spelling of my family name is
VELSHER
but it is a transliteration >from Russian....


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching: VELSHER or similar #general

Eric Forster <eforster@...>
 

Try Felcher. You'll find some (originally >from Poland) in the Brooklyn,
N.Y. phone directory.

Benne Velsher wrote:

The English spelling of my family name is
VELSHER
but it is a transliteration >from Russian....


Nehemya Zvi = Chaimas Girsas ? #general

Jose Gutstein <jmg-miami@...>
 

My grandmother always said her father's name was Chaimas
Girsas Kamenshchik.
Her sister would refer to the same father as Nehemya Zvi
Kamenshchik.
The family was >from Kovno, Lithuania.

1) Does Nehemya Zvi = Chaimas Girsas?

2) My grandmother emigrated in 1928 and her sister stayed
and survived the Holocaust. Could the difference be that my
grandmother had the period of Lithuanian independence as her
reference point and thus used the Lithuanian version of the
same name?

Thanks,

Jose Gutstein
JMG-Miami@msn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Nehemya Zvi = Chaimas Girsas ? #general

Jose Gutstein <jmg-miami@...>
 

My grandmother always said her father's name was Chaimas
Girsas Kamenshchik.
Her sister would refer to the same father as Nehemya Zvi
Kamenshchik.
The family was >from Kovno, Lithuania.

1) Does Nehemya Zvi = Chaimas Girsas?

2) My grandmother emigrated in 1928 and her sister stayed
and survived the Holocaust. Could the difference be that my
grandmother had the period of Lithuanian independence as her
reference point and thus used the Lithuanian version of the
same name?

Thanks,

Jose Gutstein
JMG-Miami@msn.com


YOUNG MEN'S AND WOMEN'S HEBREW ASSOCIATION #general

Patricia Adams
 

Does anyone have any information about this organization in the New York
City Area in 1923?

Thanks

Patricia Adams
Alstead, NH
pla@sover.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen YOUNG MEN'S AND WOMEN'S HEBREW ASSOCIATION #general

Patricia Adams
 

Does anyone have any information about this organization in the New York
City Area in 1923?

Thanks

Patricia Adams
Alstead, NH
pla@sover.net


Budapest Directories #general

JCYMBLER@...
 

Eleanor Bien writes:

"I have checked the Discussion Group Archives and the Hungarian SIG Lists
Archives and found nothing about this subject. I have tried the Library of
Congress and local libraries and have come up empty. Surely this major
capital city had directories."

Funny, you should ask. Yesterday, I was searching the Austrian National
Library's on line catalog <http://www.onb.ac.at> for Polish and Galician
directories and did come acrsoss some for Budapest. Look under the subject
heading "Adressbucher" and don't forget to look not only for Budapest but
also for drectories of the whole Austro-Hungarian Empire. BTW I will be
going to Vienna next month to look at these directories.

In addition, you may want to search the catalogs of the British Library and
the Biblioteque National in Paris. They also have directories. Finally,
the best place would be the Hungarian National Library -- a place I have
not researched yet.

Jeff Cymbler


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Budapest Directories #general

JCYMBLER@...
 

Eleanor Bien writes:

"I have checked the Discussion Group Archives and the Hungarian SIG Lists
Archives and found nothing about this subject. I have tried the Library of
Congress and local libraries and have come up empty. Surely this major
capital city had directories."

Funny, you should ask. Yesterday, I was searching the Austrian National
Library's on line catalog <http://www.onb.ac.at> for Polish and Galician
directories and did come acrsoss some for Budapest. Look under the subject
heading "Adressbucher" and don't forget to look not only for Budapest but
also for drectories of the whole Austro-Hungarian Empire. BTW I will be
going to Vienna next month to look at these directories.

In addition, you may want to search the catalogs of the British Library and
the Biblioteque National in Paris. They also have directories. Finally,
the best place would be the Hungarian National Library -- a place I have
not researched yet.

Jeff Cymbler


Civil marriages #general

David Kravitz <dkravitz@...>
 

In the UK there were financial advantages to being single until sometime
shortly after WW1. The reverse is now true. Many orthodox Jews thus chose
to marry only in a synagogue. Married in the eyes of God, but not married
in a civil sense was of no interest.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Civil marriages #general

David Kravitz <dkravitz@...>
 

In the UK there were financial advantages to being single until sometime
shortly after WW1. The reverse is now true. Many orthodox Jews thus chose
to marry only in a synagogue. Married in the eyes of God, but not married
in a civil sense was of no interest.


1920 Manhattan phone book #general

Ackerfeld Lance <lancea@...>
 

Fellow Genners, Shalom!

Is there anyone with access to a 1920 Manhattan phone book and can look up
a name for me?

Please answer to me privately.

Thanking you in advance,

Lance Ackerfeld
Yiftah, Israel.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1920 Manhattan phone book #general

Ackerfeld Lance <lancea@...>
 

Fellow Genners, Shalom!

Is there anyone with access to a 1920 Manhattan phone book and can look up
a name for me?

Please answer to me privately.

Thanking you in advance,

Lance Ackerfeld
Yiftah, Israel.


searching lost connection #general

ouziel <shimonoz@...>
 

Hello to all!
X-message -number-5 >from 5 Nov.1998 ,searching a child >from Warsaw
inspire me to write the following story. In mid.1948 I met an orphan that
arrived to Israel >from geto Warsaw. He lost his entire family when he was
8 years old. For 2 years he survived in the geto & in 1940 he escaped
to Ostroviech(south of Warsaw)there he was caught & have been sent to
working camp.At end by the help of Joint org. he arrived to Israel.
this boy was adopted by my family and we stay & stick together ,but he
always refuses to bring up the memories >from the past he used to say
"you came to live the nature way but I came >from the heart". The least I
know are as follows:
Father's name:Katz Zalman
Mother's " :Mandel Kiele
brother " :Herschel
" " :Joseph
sister " :Reizal
and his name is Yackov (yankeil).last address in Warsaw, dszelna st.
parallel to Pabia st.
he has two children five g.children and >from time to time he cries.

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching lost connection #general

ouziel <shimonoz@...>
 

Hello to all!
X-message -number-5 >from 5 Nov.1998 ,searching a child >from Warsaw
inspire me to write the following story. In mid.1948 I met an orphan that
arrived to Israel >from geto Warsaw. He lost his entire family when he was
8 years old. For 2 years he survived in the geto & in 1940 he escaped
to Ostroviech(south of Warsaw)there he was caught & have been sent to
working camp.At end by the help of Joint org. he arrived to Israel.
this boy was adopted by my family and we stay & stick together ,but he
always refuses to bring up the memories >from the past he used to say
"you came to live the nature way but I came >from the heart". The least I
know are as follows:
Father's name:Katz Zalman
Mother's " :Mandel Kiele
brother " :Herschel
" " :Joseph
sister " :Reizal
and his name is Yackov (yankeil).last address in Warsaw, dszelna st.
parallel to Pabia st.
he has two children five g.children and >from time to time he cries.

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and the name of the town where you live.


Re: Triangle Shirtwaist Fire #general

suzanne henig <mountolive@...>
 

The building where the fire took place is in Washington Square , New York,
where I went to college at NYU in 1953. It was then called the Main
Building and most of the classrooms of the College of Arts & Science were in it.

Suzanne Henig

-----Original Message-----
From: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>

The people were so badly burned in the fire that a list of victims was
never accomplished. There were scores of women and girls who were never
identified.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Triangle Shirtwaist Fire #general

suzanne henig <mountolive@...>
 

The building where the fire took place is in Washington Square , New York,
where I went to college at NYU in 1953. It was then called the Main
Building and most of the classrooms of the College of Arts & Science were in it.

Suzanne Henig

-----Original Message-----
From: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>

The people were so badly burned in the fire that a list of victims was
never accomplished. There were scores of women and girls who were never
identified.


Need help with OLSWANG tombstone #general

Claire Petersky <petersky@...>
 

A friend of mine in Israel kindly translated a tombstone for me that was
all in Hebrew. (Thanks, Yuval!) Here's what he wrote:

"There are two columns here, you will note, with the only common words
being the Pei-Nun, TNZBH, and the middle word OLSWANG.
Right column: "The young man [bachur] Avraham Eliezer son of r. Israel
OLSWANG, died Yod (10) Menachem Av year of Tav-Resh-Nun-Teth (5659)."
Left column: "The woman Simcha Tova daughter of r. Tzvi OLSWANG, died ??
(Yod repeated twice by mistake? Yod Gimel?? Anyway somewhere between
1-20] Iyar year of Tav-Resh-Ayin-Vav (5676)."

OK.

The right column is clearly my great-great uncle Abraham. He died at age
26 of TB in the summer of 1899, for which I have the death certificate.
The question is, who is buried with him? Here are the possibilities I have
identified:

A. It would make the most sense that it would be his wife. Husbands and
wives are usually buried together. The problem is, his wife wouldn't be
born of another Olswang, most likely. Also, I have no evidence to date of
a marriage.

B. The woman I had originally as Shimche (various spellings) who was
Abraham's mother, was probably Simcha, as some kind people >from this group
have pointed out to me. Spring 1916 would not have been an unusual date
for a death for her. (I have some sketchy evidence that her death was
sometime after 1914.) If I were hunting for a Simcha Olswang, she'd be the
one I'd pick. But she wouldn't have most likely been born of another
Olswang, either. Sons aren't usually buried with mothers, anyway.

C. Now, I know that a brother of Abraham's, Peter/Pit/Phillip Olswang had
the Hebrew name of Tzvi Fieval Olswang. So it might be possible that this
is a daughter of P*? I do have a list of the 5 children of P* based on
1900 and 1910 census data, and none is named Simcha. And how likely would
it be that she would be buried with her uncle?

D. Another possibility is that P* Olswang was named for an earlier
ancestor, another Tzvi Olswang. This Tzvi (not P*) had a daughter named
Simcha. Abraham, noting the lack of eligible Jewish women in the wilds of
Seattle in the 1890s, writes home to Latvia, asking for a bride. A cousin
of some sort, Simcha Olswang, is sent to Seattle to marry him. They wed.
He dies shortly thereafter, producing no children. She moves away, such
that I don't find her in the city directories or the 1910 Seattle census.
She dies in this other location, such that I don't find her in the Seattle
death records for the mid 1910s. Her body is sent back to Seattle for
burial with her husband.

You who know better than I -- how likely are any of these scenarios? The
last one, D, I like, but I have zero evidence for it. Any ideas of how to
dig up evidence for it?

I had hoped that translating this tombstone was going to clear things up
for me, but all I get is more questions!

Many thanks to you all for your patience in reading this, and in advance
for any light you can shed.
--
Claire Petersky (petersky@halcyon.com)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help with OLSWANG tombstone #general

Claire Petersky <petersky@...>
 

A friend of mine in Israel kindly translated a tombstone for me that was
all in Hebrew. (Thanks, Yuval!) Here's what he wrote:

"There are two columns here, you will note, with the only common words
being the Pei-Nun, TNZBH, and the middle word OLSWANG.
Right column: "The young man [bachur] Avraham Eliezer son of r. Israel
OLSWANG, died Yod (10) Menachem Av year of Tav-Resh-Nun-Teth (5659)."
Left column: "The woman Simcha Tova daughter of r. Tzvi OLSWANG, died ??
(Yod repeated twice by mistake? Yod Gimel?? Anyway somewhere between
1-20] Iyar year of Tav-Resh-Ayin-Vav (5676)."

OK.

The right column is clearly my great-great uncle Abraham. He died at age
26 of TB in the summer of 1899, for which I have the death certificate.
The question is, who is buried with him? Here are the possibilities I have
identified:

A. It would make the most sense that it would be his wife. Husbands and
wives are usually buried together. The problem is, his wife wouldn't be
born of another Olswang, most likely. Also, I have no evidence to date of
a marriage.

B. The woman I had originally as Shimche (various spellings) who was
Abraham's mother, was probably Simcha, as some kind people >from this group
have pointed out to me. Spring 1916 would not have been an unusual date
for a death for her. (I have some sketchy evidence that her death was
sometime after 1914.) If I were hunting for a Simcha Olswang, she'd be the
one I'd pick. But she wouldn't have most likely been born of another
Olswang, either. Sons aren't usually buried with mothers, anyway.

C. Now, I know that a brother of Abraham's, Peter/Pit/Phillip Olswang had
the Hebrew name of Tzvi Fieval Olswang. So it might be possible that this
is a daughter of P*? I do have a list of the 5 children of P* based on
1900 and 1910 census data, and none is named Simcha. And how likely would
it be that she would be buried with her uncle?

D. Another possibility is that P* Olswang was named for an earlier
ancestor, another Tzvi Olswang. This Tzvi (not P*) had a daughter named
Simcha. Abraham, noting the lack of eligible Jewish women in the wilds of
Seattle in the 1890s, writes home to Latvia, asking for a bride. A cousin
of some sort, Simcha Olswang, is sent to Seattle to marry him. They wed.
He dies shortly thereafter, producing no children. She moves away, such
that I don't find her in the city directories or the 1910 Seattle census.
She dies in this other location, such that I don't find her in the Seattle
death records for the mid 1910s. Her body is sent back to Seattle for
burial with her husband.

You who know better than I -- how likely are any of these scenarios? The
last one, D, I like, but I have zero evidence for it. Any ideas of how to
dig up evidence for it?

I had hoped that translating this tombstone was going to clear things up
for me, but all I get is more questions!

Many thanks to you all for your patience in reading this, and in advance
for any light you can shed.
--
Claire Petersky (petersky@halcyon.com)