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Re: Shkelki #poland

Ariel Silverstone Iquest <silverstone@...>
 

Is either of these next to Praga ?

----- Original Message -----
From: Maciej Hibel <vinni@polbox.com>
To: JRI-Poland <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:26 AM
Subject: [jri-pl] Re: Shkelki


I supposed that Shkelki may be Siekierki. Now it is part of Warsaw (left
bank of river Wisla).
I am not sure because Shkelki sounds a bit different, but I didn't found
place which name is more similiar.
Second possibility Szmulki - it is on right bank of the river.

Your sincerely,
Kate Hibel
Warsaw




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Re: Landsmanshaft directory/list #poland

Nicole Berline <berline@...>
 

There is a list of Landsmanshaft in jewish Gen infofiles
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/landshaf.txt

I remember seeing a newer one for Poland but now I cannot find it.=20

best regards

--=20
Nicole Berline=20
berline@math.polytechnique.fr
tel 01 69 33 49 65
fax 01 69 33 30 19

Centre de math=E9matiques CMAT
Ecole polytechnique
F 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX


Re: Zilberberg Search #poland

MILTGOLD@...
 

In a message dated 12/13/98 11:06:44 AM, you wrote:

<<I am trying to locate Arlette Zylberg who is affiliated with Television
Belgium.

Are there any JewishGen members in Belgium who might be able to help.
There are world-wide that is, country by country) telephone directories that
exist on the web, and perhaps one for Belgium. Try
http://www.Cyndislist.com---- that is a collection of over 31,500 links
grouped by topic category. See if there's a Belgium or International
telephone directory in the "People Finders" grouping on that web site. [It's
Cyndi's List, I think the web address I just listed is correct.]

Milton Goldsamt
miltgold@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Shkelki #poland

Ariel Silverstone Iquest <silverstone@...>
 

Is either of these next to Praga ?

----- Original Message -----
From: Maciej Hibel <vinni@polbox.com>
To: JRI-Poland <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 1998 11:26 AM
Subject: [jri-pl] Re: Shkelki


I supposed that Shkelki may be Siekierki. Now it is part of Warsaw (left
bank of river Wisla).
I am not sure because Shkelki sounds a bit different, but I didn't found
place which name is more similiar.
Second possibility Szmulki - it is on right bank of the river.

Your sincerely,
Kate Hibel
Warsaw




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JRI Poland #Poland Re: Landsmanshaft directory/list #poland

Nicole Berline <berline@...>
 

There is a list of Landsmanshaft in jewish Gen infofiles
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/landshaf.txt

I remember seeing a newer one for Poland but now I cannot find it.=20

best regards

--=20
Nicole Berline=20
berline@math.polytechnique.fr
tel 01 69 33 49 65
fax 01 69 33 30 19

Centre de math=E9matiques CMAT
Ecole polytechnique
F 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Zilberberg Search #poland

MILTGOLD@...
 

In a message dated 12/13/98 11:06:44 AM, you wrote:

<<I am trying to locate Arlette Zylberg who is affiliated with Television
Belgium.

Are there any JewishGen members in Belgium who might be able to help.
There are world-wide that is, country by country) telephone directories that
exist on the web, and perhaps one for Belgium. Try
http://www.Cyndislist.com---- that is a collection of over 31,500 links
grouped by topic category. See if there's a Belgium or International
telephone directory in the "People Finders" grouping on that web site. [It's
Cyndi's List, I think the web address I just listed is correct.]

Milton Goldsamt
miltgold@aol.com


Reb Leibish #hungary

NKFisch@...
 

Dear Friends,
Does anyone have any info on Reb Leibish of Lemberg? His daughter, Rosalie
Reisman married Ignaz Fisch in Ungvar and they had 17 children. Ignaz is a
son of Aron Shaye Fisch, gabbai of the Kalever Rebbe and my great great great
grandfather.

Many thanks,
Nahncy


Sobrance birth records #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

A photocopy of the pages of Jewish birth records for the period 1798-1865
for the town of Sobrance is currently available for purchase. I am acting as
a neutral broker for this transaction between a professor who would prefer
to remain anonymous. If you have any interest in contributing to a fund in
order to obtain this information please e-mail me privately. To the best of
my knowledge this is not a sub rosa transaction - the professor only has
photocopies of the original pages.

Louis Schonfeld
Lmagyar@en.com


Hungarian Picture Collection #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I was out surfing last night and found a very interesting site with scores
of downloadable photo images showing people, buildings, and scenes of life
in pre-WWI greater Hungary. Check out Magyar Pavilion at
http:/www.idg.hu/expo/hosok_tere/vem/gallery4.html

Vivian Kahn


Hungary SIG #Hungary Reb Leibish #hungary

NKFisch@...
 

Dear Friends,
Does anyone have any info on Reb Leibish of Lemberg? His daughter, Rosalie
Reisman married Ignaz Fisch in Ungvar and they had 17 children. Ignaz is a
son of Aron Shaye Fisch, gabbai of the Kalever Rebbe and my great great great
grandfather.

Many thanks,
Nahncy


Hungary SIG #Hungary Sobrance birth records #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

A photocopy of the pages of Jewish birth records for the period 1798-1865
for the town of Sobrance is currently available for purchase. I am acting as
a neutral broker for this transaction between a professor who would prefer
to remain anonymous. If you have any interest in contributing to a fund in
order to obtain this information please e-mail me privately. To the best of
my knowledge this is not a sub rosa transaction - the professor only has
photocopies of the original pages.

Louis Schonfeld
Lmagyar@en.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Picture Collection #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I was out surfing last night and found a very interesting site with scores
of downloadable photo images showing people, buildings, and scenes of life
in pre-WWI greater Hungary. Check out Magyar Pavilion at
http:/www.idg.hu/expo/hosok_tere/vem/gallery4.html

Vivian Kahn


Re: Mauthausen #hungary

Modai <modai@...>
 

By Victims of Mauthausen,do they mean only those who died or
prisoners who sufferd but survived?
--
Thanks,
Margalit.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re:Mauthausen #hungary

Modai <modai@...>
 

By Victims of Mauthausen,do they mean only those who died or
prisoners who sufferd but survived?
--
Thanks,
Margalit.


Tobacco Farms in Szabolcs #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I have been reading Elaine Naves' wonderful book Journey to Vaja. In
addition to telling her family's story, Naves includes much interesting
background information about life and farming in Szabolcs County before
WWII.

I was particularly intrigued by passages regarding the cultivation of
tobacco because my paternal grandfather Viktor NEUMANN managed a tobacco
farm before WWI. This is the first reference I've come across indicating
where tobacco was grown during this period. Moreover, some of Naves'
descriptions of middle-class Jewish life in an agricultural area sound
vaguely similar to stories I heard about my father's youth. I've also heard
that the family lived somewhere near Debrecen.

The NEUMANN family lived near Szobrancz, just northwest of Ungvar, in the
early 1900's and returned to Michalovce in Zemplen County after WWI. Given
that they were Hungarian,I'm puzzled why would they move back to an area
that had been lost to Hungary after the Treaty of Trianon. I've heard
that my grandfather was an acquaintance and supporter of Count Mihali
Karoly, who organized a democratic movement and became prime minister in
1918. Also recall hearing that my grandfather may have held some
agricultural position in the government--perhaps under Karoly.(I've checked
Patai and can't find any reference.) Is it possible that the family left
for political reasons after Karoly's efforts failed?

Is there a Szabolcs census >from 1910? How about tax records or other
sources that might report farm activity? I'd appreciate any leads or
suggestions that might help to determine if the NEUMANN family did live in
this area during that period.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching:

BAAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), NYC, Detroit, Israel
FERBER/Sajoszentpeter, Hun, Deans, NJ, Netanyu, Israel
KAHN/KAHAN/COHEN/Sighetu Marmatei, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun), London,
NYC, Los Angeles
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz
Michalovce, Munkacs,Ungvar,Washington Heights, Queeens, NYC
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov n. Toplou (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt),
Slov.,Washington Hts, Queens, NYC


Re: Mauthausen victims list #hungary

Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Robert & Sarah Klein schrieb:

Gabor Hirsch wrote:

Szita Szabolcs's book "Utak a pokolbol" deals with the fate of Hungarian
deportees in the annected Austria 1944-1945. It has an appendix, a transcript
of 120 papes of victims in Mauthausen. The book is a part of the publications
of the Hungarian Auschwitz Commitee. ISBN 963 02 90146.
This is very interesting. In the archives reading room at Yad Vashem, there
is a two volume set of victims of Mauthausen: one covering Hungarian Jews
and one covering Polish Jews. Each volume has about 3,000 names. I had
been told by a YV archivist that this list had been prepared by YV for
"internal use" (whatever that means), but now I suspect they simply copied
the list >from the book Gabor mentioned (Utak a pokobol). On the other hand,
why should the YV copy have Polish victims? So perhaps the lists are not
identical, and possibly even completely different.

I just called the YV library, and the librarian says that they have the book
"Utak a pokobol" (it's in the library reading room, # V-2-30. Next time I
go, I'll try to remember to compare the lists to see if they are similar or not.
According to the preface of the list, "the list on 120 pages and one appendix page
was probably produced in 1945, for the americans, and is prepared in English.

It contains the family and first name, followed by the birth and day of death, the
last 51 name is >from the appendix page. The namelist belongs to the archivum in Wien
(Offentliches Denkmal und Museum Mauthausen), and is published with the permission
of Gabor Veroe.

I hope that my rough translation gives you some idea of this document.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Hungary SIG #Hungary Tobacco Farms in Szabolcs #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I have been reading Elaine Naves' wonderful book Journey to Vaja. In
addition to telling her family's story, Naves includes much interesting
background information about life and farming in Szabolcs County before
WWII.

I was particularly intrigued by passages regarding the cultivation of
tobacco because my paternal grandfather Viktor NEUMANN managed a tobacco
farm before WWI. This is the first reference I've come across indicating
where tobacco was grown during this period. Moreover, some of Naves'
descriptions of middle-class Jewish life in an agricultural area sound
vaguely similar to stories I heard about my father's youth. I've also heard
that the family lived somewhere near Debrecen.

The NEUMANN family lived near Szobrancz, just northwest of Ungvar, in the
early 1900's and returned to Michalovce in Zemplen County after WWI. Given
that they were Hungarian,I'm puzzled why would they move back to an area
that had been lost to Hungary after the Treaty of Trianon. I've heard
that my grandfather was an acquaintance and supporter of Count Mihali
Karoly, who organized a democratic movement and became prime minister in
1918. Also recall hearing that my grandfather may have held some
agricultural position in the government--perhaps under Karoly.(I've checked
Patai and can't find any reference.) Is it possible that the family left
for political reasons after Karoly's efforts failed?

Is there a Szabolcs census >from 1910? How about tax records or other
sources that might report farm activity? I'd appreciate any leads or
suggestions that might help to determine if the NEUMANN family did live in
this area during that period.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching:

BAAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), NYC, Detroit, Israel
FERBER/Sajoszentpeter, Hun, Deans, NJ, Netanyu, Israel
KAHN/KAHAN/COHEN/Sighetu Marmatei, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun), London,
NYC, Los Angeles
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz
Michalovce, Munkacs,Ungvar,Washington Heights, Queeens, NYC
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov n. Toplou (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt),
Slov.,Washington Hts, Queens, NYC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Mauthausen victims list #hungary

Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Robert & Sarah Klein schrieb:

Gabor Hirsch wrote:

Szita Szabolcs's book "Utak a pokolbol" deals with the fate of Hungarian
deportees in the annected Austria 1944-1945. It has an appendix, a transcript
of 120 papes of victims in Mauthausen. The book is a part of the publications
of the Hungarian Auschwitz Commitee. ISBN 963 02 90146.
This is very interesting. In the archives reading room at Yad Vashem, there
is a two volume set of victims of Mauthausen: one covering Hungarian Jews
and one covering Polish Jews. Each volume has about 3,000 names. I had
been told by a YV archivist that this list had been prepared by YV for
"internal use" (whatever that means), but now I suspect they simply copied
the list >from the book Gabor mentioned (Utak a pokobol). On the other hand,
why should the YV copy have Polish victims? So perhaps the lists are not
identical, and possibly even completely different.

I just called the YV library, and the librarian says that they have the book
"Utak a pokobol" (it's in the library reading room, # V-2-30. Next time I
go, I'll try to remember to compare the lists to see if they are similar or not.
According to the preface of the list, "the list on 120 pages and one appendix page
was probably produced in 1945, for the americans, and is prepared in English.

It contains the family and first name, followed by the birth and day of death, the
last 51 name is >from the appendix page. The namelist belongs to the archivum in Wien
(Offentliches Denkmal und Museum Mauthausen), and is published with the permission
of Gabor Veroe.

I hope that my rough translation gives you some idea of this document.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Sharecropping common in Lithuania? #general

Seflaum@...
 

To Jewishgenners:
My RUBINSTEIN family of Lithuania were all involved in the produce
business or were sharecroppers up until W.W.II. Does anyone know how common
it was for Jews to be involved in these types of occupations in this area
(ie., Lithuania/Latvia/Belarus)? In order to find where my family might
have originated, does anyone know locations where these occupations were
more prevalent? Thanks for any information.

Shirley Flaum
Houston, Texas
Seflaum@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sharecropping common in Lithuania? #general

Seflaum@...
 

To Jewishgenners:
My RUBINSTEIN family of Lithuania were all involved in the produce
business or were sharecroppers up until W.W.II. Does anyone know how common
it was for Jews to be involved in these types of occupations in this area
(ie., Lithuania/Latvia/Belarus)? In order to find where my family might
have originated, does anyone know locations where these occupations were
more prevalent? Thanks for any information.

Shirley Flaum
Houston, Texas
Seflaum@aol.com