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Re: Suffix -czyk #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

Can anyone tell me what the Polish suffix "czyk" means?
In the Ukrain, it stands for "Son of" ...

-Yigal Rechtman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Suffix -czyk #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

Can anyone tell me what the Polish suffix "czyk" means?
In the Ukrain, it stands for "Son of" ...

-Yigal Rechtman


Re: Abbreviations on a Ketuba #general

alter ophir <alterdina@...>
 

A. Sterlin wrote:

I am in possession of a Ketuba >from a family member & am puzzled by the
letters Mem hey vav (with the abbreviation symbol above the hey) which are
written & precedes the groom's name. My Hebrew dictionaries are not very
good with abbreviations, & this abbreviation does not appear on the website
from Princeton Univ. (I don't have the exact web address handy). Can anyone
tell me what they might signify?
It could be " Morenu Harav", the groome might be a rabbi.
Alter Ophir
Ashdot Yaacov
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Abbreviations on a Ketuba #general

alter ophir <alterdina@...>
 

A. Sterlin wrote:

I am in possession of a Ketuba >from a family member & am puzzled by the
letters Mem hey vav (with the abbreviation symbol above the hey) which are
written & precedes the groom's name. My Hebrew dictionaries are not very
good with abbreviations, & this abbreviation does not appear on the website
from Princeton Univ. (I don't have the exact web address handy). Can anyone
tell me what they might signify?
It could be " Morenu Harav", the groome might be a rabbi.
Alter Ophir
Ashdot Yaacov
Israel


BARG-BERG Family #general

Simon Barak
 

This is to announce the existence of a web page dedicated to the BARG
BARK BERG family name.The URL is
www.geocities.com/Paris/Musee/7075.index.html
but can be reached also by typing www.barg.cjb.net.

We are not sure neither that the Berg and Barg families are indeed one,
nor that all Bergs and all Bargs are descendants of a single line.
For the Berg name, some of the families obtained their family name very
early (13th century) due to their living in the old German duchy of
homonymous name {on the right bank of the Rhine, now in the
administrative districts of Dusseldorf and Cologne}. Others might have
came >from the Italian city of Bergamo in Northern Italy while others got
the name due to their lodging in the hill side of their shteitl.

Part of the Barg family got probably it's name likewise but a familial
tradition cited in the Diaspora Museum Computer (and in Kaganoff's
book?-so I was told) makes some of the Barg's descendent of Rabeinu
Gershom Meor Hagola (960-1028).

I started the web page with Barg-Berg families originally >from Podolia
and the surroundings of Odessa, nowadays dispersed to four corners of
the World with a huge representation in Argentina.

I am almost certain that many Polish, Moldavian, Lithuanian and Russian
Bargs are related to us and ask all JewishGeners to alert any Barg or
Bark or Berg to this announcement.

Dr Shimon Barak


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BARG-BERG Family #general

Simon Barak
 

This is to announce the existence of a web page dedicated to the BARG
BARK BERG family name.The URL is
www.geocities.com/Paris/Musee/7075.index.html
but can be reached also by typing www.barg.cjb.net.

We are not sure neither that the Berg and Barg families are indeed one,
nor that all Bergs and all Bargs are descendants of a single line.
For the Berg name, some of the families obtained their family name very
early (13th century) due to their living in the old German duchy of
homonymous name {on the right bank of the Rhine, now in the
administrative districts of Dusseldorf and Cologne}. Others might have
came >from the Italian city of Bergamo in Northern Italy while others got
the name due to their lodging in the hill side of their shteitl.

Part of the Barg family got probably it's name likewise but a familial
tradition cited in the Diaspora Museum Computer (and in Kaganoff's
book?-so I was told) makes some of the Barg's descendent of Rabeinu
Gershom Meor Hagola (960-1028).

I started the web page with Barg-Berg families originally >from Podolia
and the surroundings of Odessa, nowadays dispersed to four corners of
the World with a huge representation in Argentina.

I am almost certain that many Polish, Moldavian, Lithuanian and Russian
Bargs are related to us and ask all JewishGeners to alert any Barg or
Bark or Berg to this announcement.

Dr Shimon Barak


Re: Posen records in German - on line #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

Records I have located >from LDS for Posen (now Posnan) have been in
Hebrew
and mostly illegible.
An index of some of these records, transcribed >from Hebrew is available. Please check out www.rechtman.com (no, I don't sell ANYTHING on that site) or it's mirror site: http://members.aol.com/rechtman

-Yigal Rechtman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Posen records in German - on line #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

Records I have located >from LDS for Posen (now Posnan) have been in
Hebrew
and mostly illegible.
An index of some of these records, transcribed >from Hebrew is available. Please check out www.rechtman.com (no, I don't sell ANYTHING on that site) or it's mirror site: http://members.aol.com/rechtman

-Yigal Rechtman


Re: Address in Warsaw ghetto #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Sadly, there is nothing or very little left of the Warsaw Ghetto. By going
through an alley and peering into a private garden, I was able to see a tiny
remaining portion of the infamous wall. The property owner was washing his car
and became angry when we took a photo. I was also able to locate Mila 18,
which now has another street name and number.

Are you aware that some of the Ghetto residents held out for over a month
against the German army. Longer than the nation of Poland. The Ghetto was
then burned to the ground with many of the Jewish partisans inside. A handful
survived by escaping through the sewers. There are many books written on the
subject.

Your address will not be of help in your genealogical research.

Betty Provizer Starkman,
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan
BetteJoy@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The original question, now thoroughly answered, this
thread is ended.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Address in Warsaw ghetto #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

Sadly, there is nothing or very little left of the Warsaw Ghetto. By going
through an alley and peering into a private garden, I was able to see a tiny
remaining portion of the infamous wall. The property owner was washing his car
and became angry when we took a photo. I was also able to locate Mila 18,
which now has another street name and number.

Are you aware that some of the Ghetto residents held out for over a month
against the German army. Longer than the nation of Poland. The Ghetto was
then burned to the ground with many of the Jewish partisans inside. A handful
survived by escaping through the sewers. There are many books written on the
subject.

Your address will not be of help in your genealogical research.

Betty Provizer Starkman,
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan
BetteJoy@...

MODERATOR NOTE: The original question, now thoroughly answered, this
thread is ended.


French naturalisations #general

Micheline Gutmann <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

According to the ministerial order of June 11th 1998, some
important modifications have been done in order to consult
the dossiers of naturalisation, as well as the dossiers of
integration. Quite all the former information for this
consultation is no more valid.

The Infofile "French resources for Jewish Genealogy" concerning
this chapter will be uptodated soon .

Naturalisations
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When requests were made to become naturalized French citizens,
it was necessary to prepare a dossier with necessary information.
After some years living in France (the period has varied), if the
autorisation was given, it was possible to obtain French
nationality. A statutory order, "decret", was published .
It is that dossier which may be consulted, if it dates >from more
than 60 YEARS AGO.

You often have the names, places of birth, ages, professions,
addresses, often the names and origins of the parents . The wife is
mentioned and sometimes her parents, the living and minor children
too, with dates and places of birth.

There are often errors or imprecisions, but the documents are very
interesting.

The research
- - - - - - - -- -
It is a little complicated, I will try to simplify the
explanations. It has to be done in 2 stages.

1 - The research of the "decret".


The "decret" can be found in "Le bulletin des lois", about
500 books present in the large administrative libraries, in
all departements of France. Before 1900, there are indexes
each 10 years with all the names in alphabetical order in
the chapter "etrangers" of the "partie supplementaire".
I have to say that the research may be difficult.
Since 1900, there are books with the alphabetical list of all the
naturalisations, for each ten years. It is easier to find the
decret, but note: the wives are listed only under the name of the
husband.

In both cases, note the date and the number of the "decret".

2 - In order to consult it, the dossier has to be requested
at the CARAN, (Centre d'Accueil et de Recherches des Archives
Nationales).

CARAN, salle de lecture
4 rue des Quatre Fils
75003 Paris, France

The research of the dossier take about 3 weeks.
You may know when it is ready, by letter or calling there.

Then, you have to go and look at the dossier.
Photocopies cannot be done any more.

They propose to do microfilms and then photocopies.
Price : about $1 for one page.

The order has to be written in duplicate; the precise pages
to photocopy must be mentioned. After 10 days, an estimate
will be sent to you. You have to answer and send a check.
The microfilms and photos will arrive after some weeks.

If the dossier is less than 60 years old, you have to ask for a
dispensation. The CARAN has papers to fill.
The answer will be given after about two months.
Then you can ask for the dossier as written above.

You may ask for more precision to Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi
<MichelineGUTMANN@...>
http://www.chez.com/genami


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen French naturalisations #general

Micheline Gutmann <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

According to the ministerial order of June 11th 1998, some
important modifications have been done in order to consult
the dossiers of naturalisation, as well as the dossiers of
integration. Quite all the former information for this
consultation is no more valid.

The Infofile "French resources for Jewish Genealogy" concerning
this chapter will be uptodated soon .

Naturalisations
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When requests were made to become naturalized French citizens,
it was necessary to prepare a dossier with necessary information.
After some years living in France (the period has varied), if the
autorisation was given, it was possible to obtain French
nationality. A statutory order, "decret", was published .
It is that dossier which may be consulted, if it dates >from more
than 60 YEARS AGO.

You often have the names, places of birth, ages, professions,
addresses, often the names and origins of the parents . The wife is
mentioned and sometimes her parents, the living and minor children
too, with dates and places of birth.

There are often errors or imprecisions, but the documents are very
interesting.

The research
- - - - - - - -- -
It is a little complicated, I will try to simplify the
explanations. It has to be done in 2 stages.

1 - The research of the "decret".


The "decret" can be found in "Le bulletin des lois", about
500 books present in the large administrative libraries, in
all departements of France. Before 1900, there are indexes
each 10 years with all the names in alphabetical order in
the chapter "etrangers" of the "partie supplementaire".
I have to say that the research may be difficult.
Since 1900, there are books with the alphabetical list of all the
naturalisations, for each ten years. It is easier to find the
decret, but note: the wives are listed only under the name of the
husband.

In both cases, note the date and the number of the "decret".

2 - In order to consult it, the dossier has to be requested
at the CARAN, (Centre d'Accueil et de Recherches des Archives
Nationales).

CARAN, salle de lecture
4 rue des Quatre Fils
75003 Paris, France

The research of the dossier take about 3 weeks.
You may know when it is ready, by letter or calling there.

Then, you have to go and look at the dossier.
Photocopies cannot be done any more.

They propose to do microfilms and then photocopies.
Price : about $1 for one page.

The order has to be written in duplicate; the precise pages
to photocopy must be mentioned. After 10 days, an estimate
will be sent to you. You have to answer and send a check.
The microfilms and photos will arrive after some weeks.

If the dossier is less than 60 years old, you have to ask for a
dispensation. The CARAN has papers to fill.
The answer will be given after about two months.
Then you can ask for the dossier as written above.

You may ask for more precision to Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi
<MichelineGUTMANN@...>
http://www.chez.com/genami


http://www.sephardim.com #general

COL HARRY E STEIN <YTPT23A@...>
 

Sorry all,
I omitted the w's in my site's address in the text of my message.
Let's try again.

http://www.sephardim.com


Harry Stein
Tucson, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen http://www.sephardim.com #general

COL HARRY E STEIN <YTPT23A@...>
 

Sorry all,
I omitted the w's in my site's address in the text of my message.
Let's try again.

http://www.sephardim.com


Harry Stein
Tucson, AZ


OT: Happy 1999 #general

Friedrich Lehmkuehler <Lehmkuehler@...>
 

A dear friend >from Canada posted a little satire on the
usenet custom to a certain mailing list. Combined with all
my best wishes for a healthy New Year 1999, I do not want to
withhold it >from the subscribers of this news group.

Friedrich


Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to
change a light bulb?

A: 1,331:

1 to successfully change the light bulb and to post to the
mail list that the light bulb has been changed.

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and
how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about
changing light bulbs.

53 to flame the spell checkers.

156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the
light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail
list.

41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.

109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to
please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb

203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar,
alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs
be stopped.

111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are
all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant
to this mail list.

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is
superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of
light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands
are faulty.

27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different
light bulbs.

14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to
post corrected URLs.

3 to post about links they found >from the URLs that are
relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to
this list.

33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them
including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."

12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because
they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.

19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.

1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.

47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant
for, leave it here.

143 votes for a new list alt.lite.bulb.

--
Friedrich Lehmkuehler * Wertheim am Main * Germany
Web: http://www.main-echo.de/Lk
--------------------------------------------------


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen OT: Happy 1999 #general

Friedrich Lehmkuehler <Lehmkuehler@...>
 

A dear friend >from Canada posted a little satire on the
usenet custom to a certain mailing list. Combined with all
my best wishes for a healthy New Year 1999, I do not want to
withhold it >from the subscribers of this news group.

Friedrich


Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to
change a light bulb?

A: 1,331:

1 to successfully change the light bulb and to post to the
mail list that the light bulb has been changed.

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and
how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about
changing light bulbs.

53 to flame the spell checkers.

156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the
light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail
list.

41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.

109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to
please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb

203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar,
alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs
be stopped.

111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are
all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant
to this mail list.

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is
superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of
light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands
are faulty.

27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different
light bulbs.

14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to
post corrected URLs.

3 to post about links they found >from the URLs that are
relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to
this list.

33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them
including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."

12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because
they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.

19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.

1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.

47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant
for, leave it here.

143 votes for a new list alt.lite.bulb.

--
Friedrich Lehmkuehler * Wertheim am Main * Germany
Web: http://www.main-echo.de/Lk
--------------------------------------------------


Re: SSDI mystery #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

Sorry to deepen the SSI mysteries but I have found a number
of births listed as 1819 with people who would be 150 or more.
...
Anyone know who maintains the SSI database -- SSI itself --
and how often is it updated?
Here's what I'd guess: It's an error. However, if you'd like to confirm the
thesis, order one of them (if they are related to you, of course, there will be
an extra boon.) You can see a copy of the SS5 form (not an extract) and see if
it's mis information on the SS5 or mis-indexing on part of the SSA.

More information is available on line at www.rechtman.com (look for the SSA FAQ
file) or http://members.aol.com/rechtman

I am also planning a submission of an article about SSA to Everton's Helper.

-Yigal Rechtman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SSDI mystery #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

Sorry to deepen the SSI mysteries but I have found a number
of births listed as 1819 with people who would be 150 or more.
...
Anyone know who maintains the SSI database -- SSI itself --
and how often is it updated?
Here's what I'd guess: It's an error. However, if you'd like to confirm the
thesis, order one of them (if they are related to you, of course, there will be
an extra boon.) You can see a copy of the SS5 form (not an extract) and see if
it's mis information on the SS5 or mis-indexing on part of the SSA.

More information is available on line at www.rechtman.com (look for the SSA FAQ
file) or http://members.aol.com/rechtman

I am also planning a submission of an article about SSA to Everton's Helper.

-Yigal Rechtman


SSDI FAQ #general

Joan Levin <jlevin@...>
 

The two SSA FAQs can be found at
<http://www.ssa.gov/faq_services.html>.

QUOTE
Q. Is Social Security's Death Index available online?
A. The "Social Security Death Index" to which you refer is not a
record of the Social Security Administration. We believe that
this "index" was created by a recipient of the Death Master File.

Q. Does SSA make its Death Master File available online for the
purposes of genealogical research?
A. No. SSA maintains a record of approximately 55 million deaths
reported to us called the Death Master file in a tape format
which is not searchable by the public. It is available to the
public for sale through the U.S. Department of Commerce, National
Technical Information Service and consists of 17 magnetic reels
of tape. The price ranges >from $1,500 for a onetime order of the
entire DMF, 1937 to present, to $6,000 for the entire file with
quarterly updates. NTIS can be reached at 703-487-4650. NTIS does
sell the tape to certain genealogical services which have indexed
the database on CD-ROM disk. Contact companies that sell
genealogical software for more information. END OF QUOTE


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SSDI FAQ #general

Joan Levin <jlevin@...>
 

The two SSA FAQs can be found at
<http://www.ssa.gov/faq_services.html>.

QUOTE
Q. Is Social Security's Death Index available online?
A. The "Social Security Death Index" to which you refer is not a
record of the Social Security Administration. We believe that
this "index" was created by a recipient of the Death Master File.

Q. Does SSA make its Death Master File available online for the
purposes of genealogical research?
A. No. SSA maintains a record of approximately 55 million deaths
reported to us called the Death Master file in a tape format
which is not searchable by the public. It is available to the
public for sale through the U.S. Department of Commerce, National
Technical Information Service and consists of 17 magnetic reels
of tape. The price ranges >from $1,500 for a onetime order of the
entire DMF, 1937 to present, to $6,000 for the entire file with
quarterly updates. NTIS can be reached at 703-487-4650. NTIS does
sell the tape to certain genealogical services which have indexed
the database on CD-ROM disk. Contact companies that sell
genealogical software for more information. END OF QUOTE