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19th Century Dress #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

Lynn Saul wants to view "bugyros" type 19th century
dresses on the internet. Go to Google,type in
"bugyros" and click on "Magyar Pavilon."

John Kovacs
Bloomfield, Michigan

Searching Perlgrund >from Obuda (Altofen) Halasz,
Gyongyos;
Bauer >from Budapest, Eger;

Muhlhoffer >from Miskolc, Onod, Tornala (Tornaalja);

Searching family connections for Kohn: Kohn Sandor,
Nagyvarad, Miskolc 1882-1944; Sandor's father David
1845-1920 Debrecen, Nagyvarad;

David's father Kohn Mayer 1804-1892 Debrecen,
Nagyvarad and JERUSALEM as of 1876.

Where can I obtain any information, i.e.
registration,burial,etc. about Kohn Mayer in Jerusalem
around 1876-1892?


Searching Descendants of Kovacs Aladar of Budapest #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

I would like to get in contact with descendents of
Kovacs Aladar, formerly Kohn of Budapest. He was
born in Nagyvarad or Debrecen in the late 19th
Century. He had a business ( "gepjavito" machine
repair, e.g. bicycles) in the 1930s in Budapest. His
brother's name was Kohn Sandor. He adopted Sandor's
three sons, Miklos, Geza and Imre, in the 1920s so
they could change their names >from Kohn to Kovacs.

John Kovacs
Bloomfield, Michigan,


Hungary SIG #Hungary 19th Century Dress #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

Lynn Saul wants to view "bugyros" type 19th century
dresses on the internet. Go to Google,type in
"bugyros" and click on "Magyar Pavilon."

John Kovacs
Bloomfield, Michigan

Searching Perlgrund >from Obuda (Altofen) Halasz,
Gyongyos;
Bauer >from Budapest, Eger;

Muhlhoffer >from Miskolc, Onod, Tornala (Tornaalja);

Searching family connections for Kohn: Kohn Sandor,
Nagyvarad, Miskolc 1882-1944; Sandor's father David
1845-1920 Debrecen, Nagyvarad;

David's father Kohn Mayer 1804-1892 Debrecen,
Nagyvarad and JERUSALEM as of 1876.

Where can I obtain any information, i.e.
registration,burial,etc. about Kohn Mayer in Jerusalem
around 1876-1892?


Hungary SIG #Hungary Searching Descendants of Kovacs Aladar of Budapest #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

I would like to get in contact with descendents of
Kovacs Aladar, formerly Kohn of Budapest. He was
born in Nagyvarad or Debrecen in the late 19th
Century. He had a business ( "gepjavito" machine
repair, e.g. bicycles) in the 1930s in Budapest. His
brother's name was Kohn Sandor. He adopted Sandor's
three sons, Miklos, Geza and Imre, in the 1920s so
they could change their names >from Kohn to Kovacs.

John Kovacs
Bloomfield, Michigan,


GILDENHORN from Ohio #general

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

I'm looking for any informatino on a Rose and Isadore GILDENHORN
from Ohio. Rose died in 1995 at the age of 97, a widow, and her
maiden name was BORDOWITZ (my grandmother's maiden name).

Since he is the only other GILDENHORN I've found >from Ohio,
I assume her husband was Isadore GILDENHORN, who died in Cleveland Hts,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio in 1974 at the age of 86.

If this sounds familiar, please contact me privately at
meyers01@comcast.net

Marty


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GILDENHORN from Ohio #general

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

I'm looking for any informatino on a Rose and Isadore GILDENHORN
from Ohio. Rose died in 1995 at the age of 97, a widow, and her
maiden name was BORDOWITZ (my grandmother's maiden name).

Since he is the only other GILDENHORN I've found >from Ohio,
I assume her husband was Isadore GILDENHORN, who died in Cleveland Hts,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio in 1974 at the age of 86.

If this sounds familiar, please contact me privately at
meyers01@comcast.net

Marty


Re; Vitebsk family, CHAMARMER/POLIKOFF #belarus

Asp116@...
 

looking for Israel CHAMARMER who came >from Vitebsk before 1904 and changed
name to HarryPOLIKOFF. lived on Cherry St in N,Y.
Sheila Rosenfeld Pianin
New York, N.Y.
reply to: asp116@aol.com


family of Sorke CHAMARMER of Vitebsk #belarus

Asp116@...
 

looking for Sara?Sorke CHAMARMER , came in 1912 to Brooklyn, married Leon
BLOCK , had 4 children.
Sheila Rosenfeld Pianin
New York, N.Y.
reply to : asp116@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re; Vitebsk family, CHAMARMER/POLIKOFF #belarus

Asp116@...
 

looking for Israel CHAMARMER who came >from Vitebsk before 1904 and changed
name to HarryPOLIKOFF. lived on Cherry St in N,Y.
Sheila Rosenfeld Pianin
New York, N.Y.
reply to: asp116@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus family of Sorke CHAMARMER of Vitebsk #belarus

Asp116@...
 

looking for Sara?Sorke CHAMARMER , came in 1912 to Brooklyn, married Leon
BLOCK , had 4 children.
Sheila Rosenfeld Pianin
New York, N.Y.
reply to : asp116@aol.com


Re: Genealogy and Mixed Marriage #general

Dream Builder <dreambuilder@...>
 

Perhaps for those so inclined to keep their family tree limited to only
those who are Jewish, two trees could be constructed - one that includes
only to those who are known to be Jewish and a second that is complete with
non-Jewish relatives, adopted children, step-children, etc. Notes could be
included in the former to refer to the latter where appropriate. In the case
of unmarried couples living together, the unrelated person is usually only
listed when they have children together, although they may be listed
with appropriate notes when desired.

Vicki Ina Friedman
Ball Ground, GA, USA
dreambuilder@tds.net

Researching: BECK, CHORNEY, DUBIN(SKY), FRIEDMAN, RECHMAN, SK(O)LOFF,
THURLIN / TURCHIN, ZEIDELMAN (all >from Russia to USA 1880-1910)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Rabinowitz" <annrab@bellsouth.net>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: Genealogy and Mixed Marriage

In a message dated 2/1/2005 10:57:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
balden@zahav.net.il writes:
< The topic "Genealogy and mixed Marriage" has cropped up in my circle, and
although I personally have my own views, I would like to hear the views of
professional Genealogists on this. Is it fair to exclude a member of one's
family
from a family tree due to intermarriage? >
This is an interesting question which I will respond to in terms of my own
research >from many years ago. I was researching Colonial Jewish families
and used Rabbi Malcolm H. Stern's book "First American Jewish Families" as a
resource. Unfortunately, Rabbi Stern did not believe in the inclusion of
non-Jewish descendants and therefore left them out.

While I understood his reason for this and respect it, it was annoying as I
was unable to connect a number of people to their appropriate family trees.
Some of these non-Jews had descendants who eventually married Jews once
again as it so happens in our multi-ethnic society and they wanted to know
about that earlier ancestry.

I hope that those who feel as Rabbi Stern did realize that while your tree
is your own business to construct as you wish, limiting it to Jews only
withholds your heritage >from those who may want to share it despite the fact
that they may not be halachicly Jewish.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Genealogy and Mixed Marriage #general

Dream Builder <dreambuilder@...>
 

Perhaps for those so inclined to keep their family tree limited to only
those who are Jewish, two trees could be constructed - one that includes
only to those who are known to be Jewish and a second that is complete with
non-Jewish relatives, adopted children, step-children, etc. Notes could be
included in the former to refer to the latter where appropriate. In the case
of unmarried couples living together, the unrelated person is usually only
listed when they have children together, although they may be listed
with appropriate notes when desired.

Vicki Ina Friedman
Ball Ground, GA, USA
dreambuilder@tds.net

Researching: BECK, CHORNEY, DUBIN(SKY), FRIEDMAN, RECHMAN, SK(O)LOFF,
THURLIN / TURCHIN, ZEIDELMAN (all >from Russia to USA 1880-1910)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Rabinowitz" <annrab@bellsouth.net>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: Genealogy and Mixed Marriage

In a message dated 2/1/2005 10:57:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
balden@zahav.net.il writes:
< The topic "Genealogy and mixed Marriage" has cropped up in my circle, and
although I personally have my own views, I would like to hear the views of
professional Genealogists on this. Is it fair to exclude a member of one's
family
from a family tree due to intermarriage? >
This is an interesting question which I will respond to in terms of my own
research >from many years ago. I was researching Colonial Jewish families
and used Rabbi Malcolm H. Stern's book "First American Jewish Families" as a
resource. Unfortunately, Rabbi Stern did not believe in the inclusion of
non-Jewish descendants and therefore left them out.

While I understood his reason for this and respect it, it was annoying as I
was unable to connect a number of people to their appropriate family trees.
Some of these non-Jews had descendants who eventually married Jews once
again as it so happens in our multi-ethnic society and they wanted to know
about that earlier ancestry.

I hope that those who feel as Rabbi Stern did realize that while your tree
is your own business to construct as you wish, limiting it to Jews only
withholds your heritage >from those who may want to share it despite the fact
that they may not be halachicly Jewish.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Re: Did ECHOV/ECHOU come from JACOV? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:40:21 UTC, momat@paradise.net.nz opined:

I wonder if anyone has come across the following name
ECHOV/ECHOU.My Great Great Grandmothers maiden name is listed
as this according to my Great Grand fathers death certificate, but
I cannot find this name anywhere.Is it possible it was phonetically
translated >from JACOV?

Thank you.
Maureen Mathie.
Wellington
New Zealand.

MODERATOR NOTE: Don't forget to register names being researched
with the Jewishgen Family Finder.
I can't help, although I wish I could. But I do want to suggest that you
add to your request a sentence or two about where the family in question was
living. It makes a difference in the kind of thing that local pronunciation
etc. does to foreign names. Seeing in the subject line, for example, that
the name was used in some specific place, where some specific language was
spoken, might even attract the attention of someone with some interest or
relevant expertise in that place or language, whereas he might otherwise
ignore it -- few of us read each and every posted message, or even most of
them.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Did ECHOV/ECHOU come from JACOV? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:40:21 UTC, momat@paradise.net.nz opined:

I wonder if anyone has come across the following name
ECHOV/ECHOU.My Great Great Grandmothers maiden name is listed
as this according to my Great Grand fathers death certificate, but
I cannot find this name anywhere.Is it possible it was phonetically
translated >from JACOV?

Thank you.
Maureen Mathie.
Wellington
New Zealand.

MODERATOR NOTE: Don't forget to register names being researched
with the Jewishgen Family Finder.
I can't help, although I wish I could. But I do want to suggest that you
add to your request a sentence or two about where the family in question was
living. It makes a difference in the kind of thing that local pronunciation
etc. does to foreign names. Seeing in the subject line, for example, that
the name was used in some specific place, where some specific language was
spoken, might even attract the attention of someone with some interest or
relevant expertise in that place or language, whereas he might otherwise
ignore it -- few of us read each and every posted message, or even most of
them.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


Re: Looking for Fauquemont/Lotharingen OR Valkenburg #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Hello Jonathan,

Jonathan Borchard wrote on 13 mrt 2005 in soc.genealogy
jewish:
Some of my family were born in Fauquemont/Lotharingen
(Holland/Belgium) in the 1790's.
Lotharingen = Lorraine in FRANCE

In France there still is "57380 Faulquemont", east of Metz
<http://tinyurl.com/45pz7>

Many years ago I was told it is now known as Valkenburg
in Germany.

Probably the other way around. Elsas-Lotharingen was part
of Germany till the Versailles agreement in 1918.

Faulquemont = Falcon-mount = ValkenbErg
ValkenbUrg = Falcon-bury/Falcon-borough

I have done a bit of research into locating it but seem
to be finding several Valkenburg's and am no longer sure
which is the one I am looking for!
There are 2 palaces Valkenburg in the Netherlands.
1 near The Hague
<http://tinyurl.com/5ygcp>
2 in the province of Limburg near Belgium
<http://tinyurl.com/3no27>

Around 1800 the Netherlands and Belgium were ONE country!
Before the Liberation of 1812 the French occupation
possebly called them both Faulquemont.

In Germany there is no Valkenburg, but there are:

1x FALKENBURG (27624)
14x FALKENBERG

I think those are inconsequential.

Could someone please put me right and also tell me if
you know if I have any chance of finding
Jewish births >from that town between 1790
and 1793.
It depends on what town we are talking about.

What family names do you look for?

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Looking for Fauquemont/Lotharingen OR Valkenburg #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Hello Jonathan,

Jonathan Borchard wrote on 13 mrt 2005 in soc.genealogy
jewish:
Some of my family were born in Fauquemont/Lotharingen
(Holland/Belgium) in the 1790's.
Lotharingen = Lorraine in FRANCE

In France there still is "57380 Faulquemont", east of Metz
<http://tinyurl.com/45pz7>

Many years ago I was told it is now known as Valkenburg
in Germany.

Probably the other way around. Elsas-Lotharingen was part
of Germany till the Versailles agreement in 1918.

Faulquemont = Falcon-mount = ValkenbErg
ValkenbUrg = Falcon-bury/Falcon-borough

I have done a bit of research into locating it but seem
to be finding several Valkenburg's and am no longer sure
which is the one I am looking for!
There are 2 palaces Valkenburg in the Netherlands.
1 near The Hague
<http://tinyurl.com/5ygcp>
2 in the province of Limburg near Belgium
<http://tinyurl.com/3no27>

Around 1800 the Netherlands and Belgium were ONE country!
Before the Liberation of 1812 the French occupation
possebly called them both Faulquemont.

In Germany there is no Valkenburg, but there are:

1x FALKENBURG (27624)
14x FALKENBERG

I think those are inconsequential.

Could someone please put me right and also tell me if
you know if I have any chance of finding
Jewish births >from that town between 1790
and 1793.
It depends on what town we are talking about.

What family names do you look for?

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)


Finding Passenger List for person arriving [NYC] on May 16, 1891 #germany

Eva J. Ruben
 

I have been asked the following question and do not have the answer. I
am hoping that someone on the list might know the answer. Thanking in advance,

Eva Lamm-Ruben, Nevada City, CA

MODERATOR NOTES: 1. The Jewish Genealogy Society, Inc. (of NYC), hosts of the 2006
IAJGS Conference, has a fine website and many NY records experts among its
members. This would be a great question for that group's experts.

I have found a passenger on the Furst Bismark, departing Hamburg to
Southampton and arriving in NY on May 16,1891. Question is this:
Castle Garden closed April 18, 1890. She is listed on the New York
Passenger Passenger Lists 1851-1891. I read in John Phillip Colletta's
book, "They Came in Ships", that the following day, April 19, 1890, the
US government established a temporary processing center near the Old
Customs House, The Barge Office, which operated until Elllis Island
opened in January 1892. Because she arrived after Castle Garden closed
and before Ellis Island opened, and she is listed on the NY Passenger
Lists, I am wondering if anyone know if these records were filmed
and/or how to get access of the records for that time period?
MOD NOTE to ** all ** listers:
Please try to write subject line for your message that presents a good summary
of the content. In this case the city of arrival [NYC] was omitted >from the
subject line. A better description would be:
"Seek passenger list of Vessel 'Furst Bismark'- Hamburg> Southhampton> NY May 1891


German SIG #Germany Finding Passenger List for person arriving [NYC] on May 16, 1891 #germany

Eva J. Ruben
 

I have been asked the following question and do not have the answer. I
am hoping that someone on the list might know the answer. Thanking in advance,

Eva Lamm-Ruben, Nevada City, CA

MODERATOR NOTES: 1. The Jewish Genealogy Society, Inc. (of NYC), hosts of the 2006
IAJGS Conference, has a fine website and many NY records experts among its
members. This would be a great question for that group's experts.

I have found a passenger on the Furst Bismark, departing Hamburg to
Southampton and arriving in NY on May 16,1891. Question is this:
Castle Garden closed April 18, 1890. She is listed on the New York
Passenger Passenger Lists 1851-1891. I read in John Phillip Colletta's
book, "They Came in Ships", that the following day, April 19, 1890, the
US government established a temporary processing center near the Old
Customs House, The Barge Office, which operated until Elllis Island
opened in January 1892. Because she arrived after Castle Garden closed
and before Ellis Island opened, and she is listed on the NY Passenger
Lists, I am wondering if anyone know if these records were filmed
and/or how to get access of the records for that time period?
MOD NOTE to ** all ** listers:
Please try to write subject line for your message that presents a good summary
of the content. In this case the city of arrival [NYC] was omitted >from the
subject line. A better description would be:
"Seek passenger list of Vessel 'Furst Bismark'- Hamburg> Southhampton> NY May 1891


Re: Hesse noble territories--Jewish cattle dealers #germany

MBernet@...
 

3/13/2005 judithgoldsmith@alum.calberkeley.org writes:
"Some 142 Jews lived in the tiny town of Erdmannrode in Hesse in 1835. The
town is not on a railroad line or near any of the market towns and most of
the Jews living there in the 1800s were cattle dealers.
Emily Rose's wonderful book suggests that they became cattle dealers
because they probably had no other trade skills, possibly because entrance to
trade guilds for Jews at that time was very limited."

==Predominantly in many areas, Jews were cattle dealers. The work was suited to
rural areas, it was profitable, and it was highly respected as a trade.

Diamond trading at the high end, the Jews' far flung network of connections
and the presence of an informal Jewish banking system based on mutual trust,
permitted Jews to trade over wide areas.

==Very, very few Jews were admitted into the Christian-owned guilds.

Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@aol.com http://www.mem-Ber.net


German SIG #Germany Re: Hesse noble territories--Jewish cattle dealers #germany

MBernet@...
 

3/13/2005 judithgoldsmith@alum.calberkeley.org writes:
"Some 142 Jews lived in the tiny town of Erdmannrode in Hesse in 1835. The
town is not on a railroad line or near any of the market towns and most of
the Jews living there in the 1800s were cattle dealers.
Emily Rose's wonderful book suggests that they became cattle dealers
because they probably had no other trade skills, possibly because entrance to
trade guilds for Jews at that time was very limited."

==Predominantly in many areas, Jews were cattle dealers. The work was suited to
rural areas, it was profitable, and it was highly respected as a trade.

Diamond trading at the high end, the Jews' far flung network of connections
and the presence of an informal Jewish banking system based on mutual trust,
permitted Jews to trade over wide areas.

==Very, very few Jews were admitted into the Christian-owned guilds.

Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@aol.com http://www.mem-Ber.net