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Suggestion for Tombstone spelling of Yiddish name
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MBernet@...
In a message dated 99-01-26 12:34:25 EST, HKENVIN, 0005734940@MCIMAIL.COM,
had written : << I am not sure about Kushma (which jewishgen mavens previously told me is a derivative of Yekutiel). I think "Kushma" begins with < kof > (the 27th letter of the alphabet), but perhaps it is < caf > (the 12th letter). Is it < kof, shin, mem, hay >, or < kof, vuv, shin, mem, hay >, or no < hay at all, or something else? Your help would be a mitzvah.>>to which I responded with some pedantry suggesting that a Yiddish spelling should be true to its Hebrew original. I reralize this can be silly. Sure, if the name is just a slight variation on the Hebrew/Biblical (e.g. Shimmen/Shim`on, Moyshe/Mosheh) the Hebrew spelling is prefered. But when a Yiddish name stands on its own feet, far far removed >from the Hebrew original, that would be silly. It yould be like demanding that Mike should be spelled Mich (because of Michael) or Chuck be spelled Chur (as in Charles). After all, we spell Zalman with a Zayin although Shlomo uses a Shin; and Shne`or with a Shin although Senior (OK, not a Hebrew word) is more properly spelled with a Samakh. I'd suggest a more logical rule: if it's close to the Hebrew name, use the Hebrew spelling. If it isn't obvious what Hebrew name it's related to, use the Yiddish spelling. I'd therefore spell Kushma kof-vav-shin-mem-alef-heh without bothering my head whether the name comes >from Yekutiel or Krishme (no, not a Hindu god--that's the recitation of Shem`a before bed <g>). And so, good night to all. Michael Bernet, New York
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Suggestion for Tombstone spelling of Yiddish name
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MBernet@...
In a message dated 99-01-26 12:34:25 EST, HKENVIN, 0005734940@MCIMAIL.COM,
had written : << I am not sure about Kushma (which jewishgen mavens previously told me is a derivative of Yekutiel). I think "Kushma" begins with < kof > (the 27th letter of the alphabet), but perhaps it is < caf > (the 12th letter). Is it < kof, shin, mem, hay >, or < kof, vuv, shin, mem, hay >, or no < hay at all, or something else? Your help would be a mitzvah.>>to which I responded with some pedantry suggesting that a Yiddish spelling should be true to its Hebrew original. I reralize this can be silly. Sure, if the name is just a slight variation on the Hebrew/Biblical (e.g. Shimmen/Shim`on, Moyshe/Mosheh) the Hebrew spelling is prefered. But when a Yiddish name stands on its own feet, far far removed >from the Hebrew original, that would be silly. It yould be like demanding that Mike should be spelled Mich (because of Michael) or Chuck be spelled Chur (as in Charles). After all, we spell Zalman with a Zayin although Shlomo uses a Shin; and Shne`or with a Shin although Senior (OK, not a Hebrew word) is more properly spelled with a Samakh. I'd suggest a more logical rule: if it's close to the Hebrew name, use the Hebrew spelling. If it isn't obvious what Hebrew name it's related to, use the Yiddish spelling. I'd therefore spell Kushma kof-vav-shin-mem-alef-heh without bothering my head whether the name comes >from Yekutiel or Krishme (no, not a Hindu god--that's the recitation of Shem`a before bed <g>). And so, good night to all. Michael Bernet, New York
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Re: Need Help with Hebrew on Father's Grave
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MBernet@...
In a message dated 99-01-26 12:34:25 EST, HKENVIN/0005734940@MCIMAIL.COM
writes: << I am not sure about Kushma (which jewishgen mavens previously told me is a derivative of Yekutiel). I think "Kushma" begins with < kof > (the 27th letter of the alphabet), but perhaps it is < caf > (the 12th letter). Is it < kof, shin, mem, hay >, or < kof, vuv, shin, mem, hay >, or no < hay > at all, or something else? Your help would be a mitzvah. >> A little hard to answer since there are only 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet. However, if you include sin and shin and bet and vet as separate letters, and final forms of kaf, mem, nun and so on as separate letters, you may go up into the thirties or even higher Since you spell Moshe, correctly according to what is called "Ktav Chaser" it would be appropriate to spell Kushma similarly, kof shin mem heh; or, if it is an Aramaic name, kof shin mem alef. If it's >from Yekiutiel (could be, but I'm not convinced --the common abbreviation for that would be Kusi or Kuti) you'd definitely spell it with a kof--but with a Tav, not a Shin. Without being privy to what Kushma might have been in its Hebrew form (if any), it would be difficult to be precise. If you consider it a "free- standing name, spell it the Yiddish phonetic way, Kof vav, shin, mem, (alef), heh. You may be able to get his proper name >from documentations of circumcision, marriage, bar mitzvah or synagogue entries. If you do not find such entries, it's likely that he didn't "officially" use that name in a Jewish context. You could leave it out especially if it is not used in the civil records. Michael Bernet, New York seeking: BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland WOLF: Frankfurt (Aron Wolf m. Babette Goldschmidt ca 1860) also in Wurzburg, also Sali WOLF, Rotterdam
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need Help with Hebrew on Father's Grave
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MBernet@...
In a message dated 99-01-26 12:34:25 EST, HKENVIN/0005734940@MCIMAIL.COM
writes: << I am not sure about Kushma (which jewishgen mavens previously told me is a derivative of Yekutiel). I think "Kushma" begins with < kof > (the 27th letter of the alphabet), but perhaps it is < caf > (the 12th letter). Is it < kof, shin, mem, hay >, or < kof, vuv, shin, mem, hay >, or no < hay > at all, or something else? Your help would be a mitzvah. >> A little hard to answer since there are only 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet. However, if you include sin and shin and bet and vet as separate letters, and final forms of kaf, mem, nun and so on as separate letters, you may go up into the thirties or even higher Since you spell Moshe, correctly according to what is called "Ktav Chaser" it would be appropriate to spell Kushma similarly, kof shin mem heh; or, if it is an Aramaic name, kof shin mem alef. If it's >from Yekiutiel (could be, but I'm not convinced --the common abbreviation for that would be Kusi or Kuti) you'd definitely spell it with a kof--but with a Tav, not a Shin. Without being privy to what Kushma might have been in its Hebrew form (if any), it would be difficult to be precise. If you consider it a "free- standing name, spell it the Yiddish phonetic way, Kof vav, shin, mem, (alef), heh. You may be able to get his proper name >from documentations of circumcision, marriage, bar mitzvah or synagogue entries. If you do not find such entries, it's likely that he didn't "officially" use that name in a Jewish context. You could leave it out especially if it is not used in the civil records. Michael Bernet, New York seeking: BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland WOLF: Frankfurt (Aron Wolf m. Babette Goldschmidt ca 1860) also in Wurzburg, also Sali WOLF, Rotterdam
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North Jersey Obit lookup
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Scott Noar <sman@...>
Would someone be willing to look up the obituary for
Joseph Noar, died 8/25/1991 in Fort Lee NJ? Scott Noar sman@uscom.com MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen North Jersey Obit lookup
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Scott Noar <sman@...>
Would someone be willing to look up the obituary for
Joseph Noar, died 8/25/1991 in Fort Lee NJ? Scott Noar sman@uscom.com MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.
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Searching: GROSSMAN family - New York
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Nigel Meinrath <meinrath@...>
Could anybody point me in the right direction re: finding the children of
Sam (Binum) Grossman, last known residence Grant St New York in 1972. My wife is their cousin and their names are: Anita, Martin, Mitchell and Phillip GROSSMAN. They would be around their 40's now. Also researching BLACHOWICZ, FRENKIEL, GROSSMAN. Thank you, Nigel Meinrath
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: GROSSMAN family - New York
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Nigel Meinrath <meinrath@...>
Could anybody point me in the right direction re: finding the children of
Sam (Binum) Grossman, last known residence Grant St New York in 1972. My wife is their cousin and their names are: Anita, Martin, Mitchell and Phillip GROSSMAN. They would be around their 40's now. Also researching BLACHOWICZ, FRENKIEL, GROSSMAN. Thank you, Nigel Meinrath
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Searching: Neckarzimmern BAUER family
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Julie Langsdorf <JulieLangsdorf@...>
I am looking for some information on my biological grandmother, Ida BAUER,
who came >from Neckarzimmern, which must be near Heidelburg, but which I can't find on any map. I'm interested in any information about this town and about my family there, the family of Leopold and Emma BAUER. A few descendents who may be alive are Jakob OPPENHEIMER, who lived in New York City at some point, and Lore BAUER, who lived in Chicago.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Neckarzimmern BAUER family
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Julie Langsdorf <JulieLangsdorf@...>
I am looking for some information on my biological grandmother, Ida BAUER,
who came >from Neckarzimmern, which must be near Heidelburg, but which I can't find on any map. I'm interested in any information about this town and about my family there, the family of Leopold and Emma BAUER. A few descendents who may be alive are Jakob OPPENHEIMER, who lived in New York City at some point, and Lore BAUER, who lived in Chicago.
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Searching: Hetty ? KAPLAN
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Stacy Harris <stacy.harris@...>
I am seeking info on Louis KAPLAN's wife, Hetty. She was born in/from
Scotland and would either be very old, if living. I am trying to learn her maiden name. Stacy
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Hetty ? KAPLAN
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Stacy Harris <stacy.harris@...>
I am seeking info on Louis KAPLAN's wife, Hetty. She was born in/from
Scotland and would either be very old, if living. I am trying to learn her maiden name. Stacy
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Searching: Gretta SCHLESINGER
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Stacy Harris <stacy.harris@...>
I am seeking Gretta (or Greta) SCHLESINGER, daughter of Harry and Polly
(BARNETT) SCHLESINGER. Stacy Harris
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Gretta SCHLESINGER
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Stacy Harris <stacy.harris@...>
I am seeking Gretta (or Greta) SCHLESINGER, daughter of Harry and Polly
(BARNETT) SCHLESINGER. Stacy Harris
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Searching: CHERNICHOVSKY genealogy
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AIChernoff@...
Does any one know a source of information on the genealogy of the poet Saul
(T)Chernichovsky? I am interested in how my father, Isaiah Chernichovsky, was related to him. Thanks. Amoz Chernoff
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: CHERNICHOVSKY genealogy
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AIChernoff@...
Does any one know a source of information on the genealogy of the poet Saul
(T)Chernichovsky? I am interested in how my father, Isaiah Chernichovsky, was related to him. Thanks. Amoz Chernoff
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Searching: NADWORNY and FINGERHUT
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Anita Citron <anitac1@...>
To all,
Got notification >from my researcher in Odessa that she found my family's records at least back to my great grandfather who was born about 1835. All my loose pieces are loose no more. And on the same day I actually got replies >from SS FOIO on two people and it only took 3 months. Some days are just better than others. Please contact me personally if you are interested in this research person for Odessa only. I also found that there were two FINGERHUT women married into the family: Sure/Sara and Braina born between 1860 and 1862. Don't know their parents names met although that info may be forthcoming. Anyone recognize these names? Also, does anyone have a Feiga-Basya marrying into their family in Odessa around 1865 to 1870? Anita Citron anitac1@erols.com Flushing (NYC), New York Searching NADWORNY, SILVER (Odessa) MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: NADWORNY and FINGERHUT
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Anita Citron <anitac1@...>
To all,
Got notification >from my researcher in Odessa that she found my family's records at least back to my great grandfather who was born about 1835. All my loose pieces are loose no more. And on the same day I actually got replies >from SS FOIO on two people and it only took 3 months. Some days are just better than others. Please contact me personally if you are interested in this research person for Odessa only. I also found that there were two FINGERHUT women married into the family: Sure/Sara and Braina born between 1860 and 1862. Don't know their parents names met although that info may be forthcoming. Anyone recognize these names? Also, does anyone have a Feiga-Basya marrying into their family in Odessa around 1865 to 1870? Anita Citron anitac1@erols.com Flushing (NYC), New York Searching NADWORNY, SILVER (Odessa) MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)
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Searching: KIRBENS - Portland, Oregon - 1944
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Kitnick1@...
Seeking the whereabouts of Samuel KIRBENS. If alive, he's probably
around 78 years old. He was a member of the U.S. 44th Bomb Group of the 8th Air Force. Contact: Steve Kitnick <kitnick1@aol.com>
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: KIRBENS - Portland, Oregon - 1944
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Kitnick1@...
Seeking the whereabouts of Samuel KIRBENS. If alive, he's probably
around 78 years old. He was a member of the U.S. 44th Bomb Group of the 8th Air Force. Contact: Steve Kitnick <kitnick1@aol.com>
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