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HOLLÄNDER and ZINNEMANN family from Mitau/Jelgava? #latvia

"Robert Alexander René Dupuis" <Rob.Dup.@...>
 

Shalom,

I'm searching for living descendences of my following relativs:

The merchant Alexander/Aron/ Natalovitsch HOL[L]ENDER/HOLLÄNDER (b. 1841 in
Jelgava/Mitau, d. Riga ? Son of Nathan Nathan HOLLÄNDER, b. 1808 [in Mitau
?]d. ?). Alexander ben Nathan HOLLÄNDER was married with Karoline/Kreine/
Isaakovna KEILMANN (b. 1844 in Riga; daughter of the career Isaak ben Feibus
KEILMANN and Jette Hinde COHN) on June 10, 1873 in Riga. >
Karoline KEILMANN was the youngest sister of my late great-greatgrandfather
the concillour of state and knight Dr.med. Philipp Isaakovitsch KEILMANN <.
Alexander and Karoline HOLLÄNDER had two living childs:

1.) Bertha/Pen/Alexandrovna Zinnemann, nee HOLLÄNDER (b. 1874 in Riga, d. ?
She was married with Judel Chamovitsch Zinnemann on 1890/92 in Riga.)

2.) Helena Alexandrovna HOLLÄNDER (b. ? in Riga, married ? d. ?)

If you'r a gggrandchild of Bertha or Helena HOLLÄNDER or if you'r relatet
with the HOLLÄNDER family >from Jelgava/Mitau, please contact me, cause I'm
searching for more documents and photos of this part of my maternal family.

--
Robert Dupuis
Berlin/Germany


Latvia SIG #Latvia HOLLÄNDER and ZINNEMANN family from Mitau/Jelgava? #latvia

"Robert Alexander René Dupuis" <Rob.Dup.@...>
 

Shalom,

I'm searching for living descendences of my following relativs:

The merchant Alexander/Aron/ Natalovitsch HOL[L]ENDER/HOLLÄNDER (b. 1841 in
Jelgava/Mitau, d. Riga ? Son of Nathan Nathan HOLLÄNDER, b. 1808 [in Mitau
?]d. ?). Alexander ben Nathan HOLLÄNDER was married with Karoline/Kreine/
Isaakovna KEILMANN (b. 1844 in Riga; daughter of the career Isaak ben Feibus
KEILMANN and Jette Hinde COHN) on June 10, 1873 in Riga. >
Karoline KEILMANN was the youngest sister of my late great-greatgrandfather
the concillour of state and knight Dr.med. Philipp Isaakovitsch KEILMANN <.
Alexander and Karoline HOLLÄNDER had two living childs:

1.) Bertha/Pen/Alexandrovna Zinnemann, nee HOLLÄNDER (b. 1874 in Riga, d. ?
She was married with Judel Chamovitsch Zinnemann on 1890/92 in Riga.)

2.) Helena Alexandrovna HOLLÄNDER (b. ? in Riga, married ? d. ?)

If you'r a gggrandchild of Bertha or Helena HOLLÄNDER or if you'r relatet
with the HOLLÄNDER family >from Jelgava/Mitau, please contact me, cause I'm
searching for more documents and photos of this part of my maternal family.

--
Robert Dupuis
Berlin/Germany


Breast Cancer and Genealogy Research #dna

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Fellow Genealogists,

I have been doing genealogy research for many different reasons. One
in particular is to search for relatives who might also have the
same genetic mutation that I've inherited >from my mother: the Breast
Cancer-1 gene and specifically the 185delAG mutation. Breast,
ovarian and prostate cancer are the most likely types of cancer that
occur with this gene. It appears that this common mutation has been
found among the Ashkenazi Jewish population and presumably
originated form a single ancestor many moons ago! With that said,
if you have this specific gene mutation and/or a family history of
these cancers, it would be great to compare notes and perhaps find
our ancestral links, particularly if we share common surnames...see
below.

My maternal relatives lived in the Suwalki-Lomza area of Poland, but
who knows where they originated 200-300 years ago and beyond.
Consequently, I'm posting this in more than one sig digest. Please
respond privately.

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@aol.com

The following are some of the surnames in my mother's family tree.
ALEXANDROWICZ,BARANOWICZ,BRZOZA,BUGAJSKI,BUKOWICZ,CYPKOWSKI,CZAPNICKI,
DANOWSKI,DAWIDOWICZ,DOMB,FAJNTUCH,FINKIELSZTEYN,FORSZTADT,FRAJND/FROYD,
FROMSEN,GABELMAN,GARBARSKY,GOROWSKI/GURLOWSKI,GRUBAVITS,HERZSON,HOROWICZ,
HORUSZ,JAKUBINSKI,KOBRANSKI,KOWNACKI,KRASZEWSKI,LANGUS,LIBERMAN,LIPOVICH/
LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF,LIPSZYC,MICMACHER,MILEWICZ,MILSZTEJN,NAJMARK,ORKOWSKI,
OROWICZ,PERCOWNA,PIECHOTA,PIENTAK,ROSENSZTEJN,SIEDOROWSKI,SILBERMAN,
SZEINKOP,SZARFSZTEIN,SZTABINSKI,TOCZYLOWSKI,TYCKIEWICZ,WINICKA,ZLOSTICA,
ZYLBERSZTEJN

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: JewishGen's Guidelines permit a maximum of six
lines (of 72 characters) for the surnames being researched. We will
be enforcing this limit in future posts.]


DNA Research #DNA Breast Cancer and Genealogy Research #dna

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Fellow Genealogists,

I have been doing genealogy research for many different reasons. One
in particular is to search for relatives who might also have the
same genetic mutation that I've inherited >from my mother: the Breast
Cancer-1 gene and specifically the 185delAG mutation. Breast,
ovarian and prostate cancer are the most likely types of cancer that
occur with this gene. It appears that this common mutation has been
found among the Ashkenazi Jewish population and presumably
originated form a single ancestor many moons ago! With that said,
if you have this specific gene mutation and/or a family history of
these cancers, it would be great to compare notes and perhaps find
our ancestral links, particularly if we share common surnames...see
below.

My maternal relatives lived in the Suwalki-Lomza area of Poland, but
who knows where they originated 200-300 years ago and beyond.
Consequently, I'm posting this in more than one sig digest. Please
respond privately.

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@aol.com

The following are some of the surnames in my mother's family tree.
ALEXANDROWICZ,BARANOWICZ,BRZOZA,BUGAJSKI,BUKOWICZ,CYPKOWSKI,CZAPNICKI,
DANOWSKI,DAWIDOWICZ,DOMB,FAJNTUCH,FINKIELSZTEYN,FORSZTADT,FRAJND/FROYD,
FROMSEN,GABELMAN,GARBARSKY,GOROWSKI/GURLOWSKI,GRUBAVITS,HERZSON,HOROWICZ,
HORUSZ,JAKUBINSKI,KOBRANSKI,KOWNACKI,KRASZEWSKI,LANGUS,LIBERMAN,LIPOVICH/
LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF,LIPSZYC,MICMACHER,MILEWICZ,MILSZTEJN,NAJMARK,ORKOWSKI,
OROWICZ,PERCOWNA,PIECHOTA,PIENTAK,ROSENSZTEJN,SIEDOROWSKI,SILBERMAN,
SZEINKOP,SZARFSZTEIN,SZTABINSKI,TOCZYLOWSKI,TYCKIEWICZ,WINICKA,ZLOSTICA,
ZYLBERSZTEJN

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: JewishGen's Guidelines permit a maximum of six
lines (of 72 characters) for the surnames being researched. We will
be enforcing this limit in future posts.]


Yizkor Book Project for April 2005 #hungary

Joyce Field
 

Because of the Pesach holiday, April 2005 was a "short" month and our
production reflects that. One new book and 14 updated books went
online. All translations can be accessed at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html and the current
additions have been flagged to make the search easier.

I would like to remind all new researchers that you can find whether
a yizkor book has been written about a particular town at the Yizkor
Book Database, http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/database.html. You
can search the Necrology Index at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/yizkor/. Our index to this
database says the following:


"The JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology Database indexes the names of
persons in the necrologies -- the lists of Holocaust martyrs --
published in the Yizkor Books appearing on the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Translation Project. This database is only an index of names; it
directs researchers back to the Yizkor Book itself, where more
complete information may be available.

This database allows the surnames to be searched via soundex.
Because most of these names were transliterated >from Hebrew and
Yiddish, the spellings of the surnames may not be as you are used to
seeing them in Latin-alphabet sources."

This database currently contains over 165,000 entries >from the
necrologies of 177 different yizkor books. Remember that not all
yizkor books have necrologies.

New book:

"With a rifle in my hand and Eretz Israel in my heart" by Dov Levin,
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/dovlevin1/dovlevin1.html.

Updated books:

-Belchatow, Poland, http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
-Belchatow, Poland,
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Belchatow_ann/Belchatow_ann.html
-Bolekhov, Ukraine
-Brest, Belarus, volume 2
-Bukowina book
-Chelm, Poland
-Czestochowa, Poland,
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Czestochowa1/Czestochowa1.html
-Holocaust in Belarus
-Jewish Music in Poland between the World Wars
-Maramures Region
-Novogrudok, Belarus
-Nowy Sacz, Poland
-Radomsko, Poland
-Shumskoye, Ukraine

As always, we wish to thank all the donors of material and the
project coordinators for their donations of translations and their
precious time. Nothing can be accomplished without your interest in
the Yizkor Book Project. We are always interested in new material
and look forward to hearing >from researchers wanting to start a new
translation project.

Joyce Field
Yizkor Book Project
JewishGen V.P., Data Acquisition
jfield@jewishgen.org


Hungary SIG #Hungary Yizkor Book Project for April 2005 #hungary

Joyce Field
 

Because of the Pesach holiday, April 2005 was a "short" month and our
production reflects that. One new book and 14 updated books went
online. All translations can be accessed at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html and the current
additions have been flagged to make the search easier.

I would like to remind all new researchers that you can find whether
a yizkor book has been written about a particular town at the Yizkor
Book Database, http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/database.html. You
can search the Necrology Index at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/yizkor/. Our index to this
database says the following:


"The JewishGen Yizkor Book Necrology Database indexes the names of
persons in the necrologies -- the lists of Holocaust martyrs --
published in the Yizkor Books appearing on the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Translation Project. This database is only an index of names; it
directs researchers back to the Yizkor Book itself, where more
complete information may be available.

This database allows the surnames to be searched via soundex.
Because most of these names were transliterated >from Hebrew and
Yiddish, the spellings of the surnames may not be as you are used to
seeing them in Latin-alphabet sources."

This database currently contains over 165,000 entries >from the
necrologies of 177 different yizkor books. Remember that not all
yizkor books have necrologies.

New book:

"With a rifle in my hand and Eretz Israel in my heart" by Dov Levin,
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/dovlevin1/dovlevin1.html.

Updated books:

-Belchatow, Poland, http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
-Belchatow, Poland,
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Belchatow_ann/Belchatow_ann.html
-Bolekhov, Ukraine
-Brest, Belarus, volume 2
-Bukowina book
-Chelm, Poland
-Czestochowa, Poland,
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Czestochowa1/Czestochowa1.html
-Holocaust in Belarus
-Jewish Music in Poland between the World Wars
-Maramures Region
-Novogrudok, Belarus
-Nowy Sacz, Poland
-Radomsko, Poland
-Shumskoye, Ukraine

As always, we wish to thank all the donors of material and the
project coordinators for their donations of translations and their
precious time. Nothing can be accomplished without your interest in
the Yizkor Book Project. We are always interested in new material
and look forward to hearing >from researchers wanting to start a new
translation project.

Joyce Field
Yizkor Book Project
JewishGen V.P., Data Acquisition
jfield@jewishgen.org


Viviane Kluska #hungary

עמירה משיח <amira_m@...>
 

Sorry I'm doing this through the SIG but don't have any other option.
I have problems contacting Viviane Kluska cause she's got an e-mail of
"aol.com".
Viviane Kluska, please send me an e-mail address [not of "aol.com"] so I
can send my answer ....

Amira, Israel, amira_m@masaryk.org.il


Hungary SIG #Hungary Viviane Kluska #hungary

עמירה משיח <amira_m@...>
 

Sorry I'm doing this through the SIG but don't have any other option.
I have problems contacting Viviane Kluska cause she's got an e-mail of
"aol.com".
Viviane Kluska, please send me an e-mail address [not of "aol.com"] so I
can send my answer ....

Amira, Israel, amira_m@masaryk.org.il


Re: Almanac and directory of the Hungarian railways #hungary

VivianeCK2003@...
 

Hi!
Have you tried Radix? I used it with success. The website is user -
friendly.
Viviane Kluska
Canton, Michigan
vivianeck2003@aol.com

In a message dated 4/29/2005 2:52:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dennis.baer@verizon.net writes:
My great grandfather Samuel ( SHMUEL ) ZANVIL SCHANCZ (Schanz)

worked as the railroad station master in Munkacs, Hungary >from about 1885
until 1905.

I want to see if someone can find any records for him.

Thank you.

Dennis Baer


Re: The DEUTSCH family from TAB - ADAND-SIOFOK - 2015 #hungary

Klausner
 

To Nava Shavua Tov,
I am sorry that I cannot help you in your quest. It seems, however, that
reading yor letter I have detected a discrepancy in it.
At the beginning of your letter you write that Lipot DEUTSCHs wife was Kati,
at the end Lipot's wife was Sari CZEISZLER. Which one is it?
Best regards yehuda

Join the Israel Genealogical Society (IGS) and receive our bi-lingual
Journal
"Sharsheret Hadorot"
Society branches are in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Negev (Beer Sheva),
Netanya.
ehfurman@netvision.net.il

Dr. Yehuda Klausner
yklaus@netvision.net.il
yehudakl@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
klausner@alumni.princeton.edu

Searching:
KLAUSNER (KLAUZNER, CLOISNER, KLUZNER, etc.), BARZAM, KADISH, BUSHKE
(BOSHKE), ZEINWIRT (ZENVIRT),
EILENBERG (ILENBERG), LIEBERMAN (all spellings), WITKIND, HOCHGELEHRNTER
(GELEHRNTER), ENGLMAN (ENGELMAN), IROM (IRAM)
TEUMIM, MICHELSON Great Britain, South Africa, Rhodesia etc.),
Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) >from Galicia, GRINBERG (all spellings).

----- Original Message -----
From: "âéøåï" <nava105@bezeqint.net>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:14 AM
Subject: [h-sig] The DEUTSCH family >from TAB - ADAND-SIOFOK


Hello,
First I would like to say that dealing with a very common family name like
DEUTSCH , I know my chances are slim, however I descided to give it a
try.
In my Father's family not only the Jewish name repeats itself but the
General name does as well:
My gggf was LIPOT his son., My ggf was LAJOS, my gf was LIPOT and my
fater's
second name is LAJOS !!!!
The hebrew names repeating themselves are :YEHUDA, YOCHANAN, ELIEZER ( I
hope my English transcription is readable)
They used a combination my father is : YEHUDA YOCHANAN ben ( son of )
ELIEZER
on my gf tumbstone we read ELIEZER YEHUDA ben YOCHANAN and you can
calculate this backwards.

what is the known data:
1. We have a copy of my ggf 's marrige certificate where his parents are
listed as DEUTSCH LIPOT and KATI
( no maiden name and I belive she probably was KATALIN or something ).
No dates for these two.
2. my ggf is LAJOS DEUTSCH born 1861 in ADAND Hungary
married BETTI GOLDHAMMER born 1858 in TAB Hungary
The marrige took plae in TAB.
3. They had 4 Children:

3.1 MARGIT born 1886 in ADAND died in AUSCHWITZ 1944
married IZIDOR STEINER who faught in the Hungarian army in WWI and died
there.
She lived in Siofok and had adepartment store there.
their daughter ROZSI born 1914 in SIOFOK died in AUSCHWITZ 1944 married
ISTVAN IMMERGLUCK they lived in UJPEST
their grand daughter ZSUZSANA born 1936 died in AUSCHWITZ 1944

3.2 ERZABET born 1896 in ADAND died in AUSCHWITZ 1944
married ANDOR KELEMEN . no children.

3.3 SANDOR born in ADAND married KLARA TANDLICH their daughter Currently
lives in AUSTRALIA and we are in touch with her and her family .

3.4 My gf LIPOT born 1891 ADAND died 1939 SIOFOK
married SARI CZEISZLER born 1898 UJPEST died 1936 UJPEST.

Does this sound familliar to anyone? I guess my ggf probably had sisters
or
brothers and if he didn't may be his parents had.
My father doesn't recall any relatives apart >from his uncles and aunts and
their families.
This is strange as my father even knew relatives of Izidor Steiner and of
Andor Kelemen - with those we are in close contacts

Thanks
Nava Giron
ISRAEL


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Almanac and directory of the Hungarian railways #hungary

VivianeCK2003@...
 

Hi!
Have you tried Radix? I used it with success. The website is user -
friendly.
Viviane Kluska
Canton, Michigan
vivianeck2003@aol.com

In a message dated 4/29/2005 2:52:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dennis.baer@verizon.net writes:
My great grandfather Samuel ( SHMUEL ) ZANVIL SCHANCZ (Schanz)

worked as the railroad station master in Munkacs, Hungary >from about 1885
until 1905.

I want to see if someone can find any records for him.

Thank you.

Dennis Baer


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: The DEUTSCH family from TAB - ADAND-SIOFOK - 2015 #hungary

Klausner
 

To Nava Shavua Tov,
I am sorry that I cannot help you in your quest. It seems, however, that
reading yor letter I have detected a discrepancy in it.
At the beginning of your letter you write that Lipot DEUTSCHs wife was Kati,
at the end Lipot's wife was Sari CZEISZLER. Which one is it?
Best regards yehuda

Join the Israel Genealogical Society (IGS) and receive our bi-lingual
Journal
"Sharsheret Hadorot"
Society branches are in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Negev (Beer Sheva),
Netanya.
ehfurman@netvision.net.il

Dr. Yehuda Klausner
yklaus@netvision.net.il
yehudakl@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
klausner@alumni.princeton.edu

Searching:
KLAUSNER (KLAUZNER, CLOISNER, KLUZNER, etc.), BARZAM, KADISH, BUSHKE
(BOSHKE), ZEINWIRT (ZENVIRT),
EILENBERG (ILENBERG), LIEBERMAN (all spellings), WITKIND, HOCHGELEHRNTER
(GELEHRNTER), ENGLMAN (ENGELMAN), IROM (IRAM)
TEUMIM, MICHELSON Great Britain, South Africa, Rhodesia etc.),
Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) >from Galicia, GRINBERG (all spellings).

----- Original Message -----
From: "âéøåï" <nava105@bezeqint.net>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:14 AM
Subject: [h-sig] The DEUTSCH family >from TAB - ADAND-SIOFOK


Hello,
First I would like to say that dealing with a very common family name like
DEUTSCH , I know my chances are slim, however I descided to give it a
try.
In my Father's family not only the Jewish name repeats itself but the
General name does as well:
My gggf was LIPOT his son., My ggf was LAJOS, my gf was LIPOT and my
fater's
second name is LAJOS !!!!
The hebrew names repeating themselves are :YEHUDA, YOCHANAN, ELIEZER ( I
hope my English transcription is readable)
They used a combination my father is : YEHUDA YOCHANAN ben ( son of )
ELIEZER
on my gf tumbstone we read ELIEZER YEHUDA ben YOCHANAN and you can
calculate this backwards.

what is the known data:
1. We have a copy of my ggf 's marrige certificate where his parents are
listed as DEUTSCH LIPOT and KATI
( no maiden name and I belive she probably was KATALIN or something ).
No dates for these two.
2. my ggf is LAJOS DEUTSCH born 1861 in ADAND Hungary
married BETTI GOLDHAMMER born 1858 in TAB Hungary
The marrige took plae in TAB.
3. They had 4 Children:

3.1 MARGIT born 1886 in ADAND died in AUSCHWITZ 1944
married IZIDOR STEINER who faught in the Hungarian army in WWI and died
there.
She lived in Siofok and had adepartment store there.
their daughter ROZSI born 1914 in SIOFOK died in AUSCHWITZ 1944 married
ISTVAN IMMERGLUCK they lived in UJPEST
their grand daughter ZSUZSANA born 1936 died in AUSCHWITZ 1944

3.2 ERZABET born 1896 in ADAND died in AUSCHWITZ 1944
married ANDOR KELEMEN . no children.

3.3 SANDOR born in ADAND married KLARA TANDLICH their daughter Currently
lives in AUSTRALIA and we are in touch with her and her family .

3.4 My gf LIPOT born 1891 ADAND died 1939 SIOFOK
married SARI CZEISZLER born 1898 UJPEST died 1936 UJPEST.

Does this sound familliar to anyone? I guess my ggf probably had sisters
or
brothers and if he didn't may be his parents had.
My father doesn't recall any relatives apart >from his uncles and aunts and
their families.
This is strange as my father even knew relatives of Izidor Steiner and of
Andor Kelemen - with those we are in close contacts

Thanks
Nava Giron
ISRAEL


Re: Nyirbakta Jewish records #hungary

Robert Neu
 

According to the 1877 Hungarian Gazettteer and now
"The Genealogical Gazetteer of the Kindom of Hungary"
just published by Avotaynu there were 111 Jews in
Nyirbakya and they worshipped im (Nyir)Mada.

THe FHL catalog available on line:
www.familysearch.org
Has the following entry:

Title Anyakönyvek, 1851-1895
Authors Izraelita Hitközseg, Mada (Szabolcs) (Main
Author)

Notes Az eredeti iratok mikrofilmrevétele Budapesten a
Magyar Országos Levéltárban történt.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registers of Jewish births, marriages and deaths for
Mada, later called Nyírmada.


Subjects Hungary, Szabolcs, Mada - Jewish records


Format Manuscript (On Film)
Language Hungarian
German
Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmre vette a
Genealogical Society of Utah, 1965
Physical 1 mikrofilmtekercs ; 35 mm.

Title Anyakönyvek, 1851-1895
Authors Izraelita Hitközseg, Mada (Szabolcs) (Main
Author)

Note Location
Film
Születtek, házasultak, halottak 1880-1885 Születtek
1885-1895 Házasultak 1851-1876, 1886-1895 Halottak
1886-1895 Születtek, házasultak, halottak 1883-1895
FHL INTL Film
642914



--- Miriam Klein <mpklein@hotmail.com> wrote:

Has anyone located the Kehilla records of Nyirbakta
in any of the LDS
microfilms? I'm interested in marriage records of
the 1870s and 1880s.

Thanks.


Re: Keen to hear your opinion on it - was it the same person? #hungary

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Dear Andras,
In many cases Mozes was Mor and/or Moritz, Sara was Saly, Jakab was Ignacz
in everyday life. The Hebrew name was used only in the synagogue. The
initial letters are the same, but even that is not necessary, My father
Moshe (born 1894) was Jeno", his brother David was Erno", another brother
Menachem was Gyula. My grandfather Yehuda was Ignacz (the same emroidered
monogram for both names, also for Ignacz and Jakab). I have two names in
Hebrew: Yosef and Meir but in Hungarian only Jozsef. The same case might be
in your Mayer.
Shabbat Shalom ve-Chag Sameach
Yosef Meir

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz

-----Original Message-----
From: Andras Koltai [mailto:kolamcg@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:16 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Keen to hear your opinion on it - was it the same person?


Dear HSiggers,

I have just discovered a brother to my gg-grandfather
in Zemplen county in the second half of the 19th
century. The problem is that it may be two brothers -
or is it the same person? I would be glad to hear your
opinion on it.

The family was called Hechtmann, which is a very rare
name. There was only one single Hechtmann family
living in Hungary in appr. 1850 and they were living
in Vasarhely, Zemplen. (This way I very rarely find
anything about this branch of my family, but when I
do, it is surely related to my family.) Jakab
Hechtmann had two sons I had known about. But there
was a third one, too:

According to the Vasarhely birth-, marriage- and death
records Moses Hechtmann and Sara Scheindl had a son
named Ignac Mayer in 1868, had another named Samuel in
1872. Then Moses Hechtmann died in 1873 aged 28.

According to the Vasarhely census dated 1870, there
was a Moritz Hechtmann living there (born in 1839).
His wife was Sali Kornhauser and they had a son called
Jakab, who was born in 1868.

I just cannot decide whether Mor and Moses were the
same person.

The reasons why I think they were: 1) people having
the Jewish name Moses were usually called in Moritz in
official papers 2) there was only one Hechtmann
family, there is no evidence whatsoever that TWO
families called Hechtmann were living in Vasarhely
paralelly 3) my gg-grandfather had a son called Mayer
Jakab, too, 4) Mayer and Jakab were both born in 1868.

The reasons why I think they were not: 1) their
birthyears differ 2) their wives had different names
3) Mayer and Jakab are two different names, too.

Could it be that Sara Scheindl was the Jewish name of
Sali Kornhauser, Ignac Mayer was the Jewish name of
Jakab and that the birthyears differ as they so often
do in those old papers?

I would be interested to hear you comments on my
gg-grandfather and his difficult family.

Thank you and kind regards,
Andras Koltai
Budapest


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Nyirbakta Jewish records #hungary

Robert Neu
 

According to the 1877 Hungarian Gazettteer and now
"The Genealogical Gazetteer of the Kindom of Hungary"
just published by Avotaynu there were 111 Jews in
Nyirbakya and they worshipped im (Nyir)Mada.

THe FHL catalog available on line:
www.familysearch.org
Has the following entry:

Title Anyakönyvek, 1851-1895
Authors Izraelita Hitközseg, Mada (Szabolcs) (Main
Author)

Notes Az eredeti iratok mikrofilmrevétele Budapesten a
Magyar Országos Levéltárban történt.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registers of Jewish births, marriages and deaths for
Mada, later called Nyírmada.


Subjects Hungary, Szabolcs, Mada - Jewish records


Format Manuscript (On Film)
Language Hungarian
German
Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmre vette a
Genealogical Society of Utah, 1965
Physical 1 mikrofilmtekercs ; 35 mm.

Title Anyakönyvek, 1851-1895
Authors Izraelita Hitközseg, Mada (Szabolcs) (Main
Author)

Note Location
Film
Születtek, házasultak, halottak 1880-1885 Születtek
1885-1895 Házasultak 1851-1876, 1886-1895 Halottak
1886-1895 Születtek, házasultak, halottak 1883-1895
FHL INTL Film
642914



--- Miriam Klein <mpklein@hotmail.com> wrote:

Has anyone located the Kehilla records of Nyirbakta
in any of the LDS
microfilms? I'm interested in marriage records of
the 1870s and 1880s.

Thanks.


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Keen to hear your opinion on it - was it the same person? #hungary

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Dear Andras,
In many cases Mozes was Mor and/or Moritz, Sara was Saly, Jakab was Ignacz
in everyday life. The Hebrew name was used only in the synagogue. The
initial letters are the same, but even that is not necessary, My father
Moshe (born 1894) was Jeno", his brother David was Erno", another brother
Menachem was Gyula. My grandfather Yehuda was Ignacz (the same emroidered
monogram for both names, also for Ignacz and Jakab). I have two names in
Hebrew: Yosef and Meir but in Hungarian only Jozsef. The same case might be
in your Mayer.
Shabbat Shalom ve-Chag Sameach
Yosef Meir

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz

-----Original Message-----
From: Andras Koltai [mailto:kolamcg@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:16 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Keen to hear your opinion on it - was it the same person?


Dear HSiggers,

I have just discovered a brother to my gg-grandfather
in Zemplen county in the second half of the 19th
century. The problem is that it may be two brothers -
or is it the same person? I would be glad to hear your
opinion on it.

The family was called Hechtmann, which is a very rare
name. There was only one single Hechtmann family
living in Hungary in appr. 1850 and they were living
in Vasarhely, Zemplen. (This way I very rarely find
anything about this branch of my family, but when I
do, it is surely related to my family.) Jakab
Hechtmann had two sons I had known about. But there
was a third one, too:

According to the Vasarhely birth-, marriage- and death
records Moses Hechtmann and Sara Scheindl had a son
named Ignac Mayer in 1868, had another named Samuel in
1872. Then Moses Hechtmann died in 1873 aged 28.

According to the Vasarhely census dated 1870, there
was a Moritz Hechtmann living there (born in 1839).
His wife was Sali Kornhauser and they had a son called
Jakab, who was born in 1868.

I just cannot decide whether Mor and Moses were the
same person.

The reasons why I think they were: 1) people having
the Jewish name Moses were usually called in Moritz in
official papers 2) there was only one Hechtmann
family, there is no evidence whatsoever that TWO
families called Hechtmann were living in Vasarhely
paralelly 3) my gg-grandfather had a son called Mayer
Jakab, too, 4) Mayer and Jakab were both born in 1868.

The reasons why I think they were not: 1) their
birthyears differ 2) their wives had different names
3) Mayer and Jakab are two different names, too.

Could it be that Sara Scheindl was the Jewish name of
Sali Kornhauser, Ignac Mayer was the Jewish name of
Jakab and that the birthyears differ as they so often
do in those old papers?

I would be interested to hear you comments on my
gg-grandfather and his difficult family.

Thank you and kind regards,
Andras Koltai
Budapest


Visiting Pidvolocysk #galicia

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

I'm starting to plan for a possible trip to include Pidvolocysk (now in
Ukraine, formerly Podwolocyska in Galicia) some time next year and would be
very glad to hear privately >from people who have visited this place, and
what their experiences - good and bad - were. How did you get there, what
was transport like, what was local accomodation, what were official
formalities like etc. It'll be part of a larger trip, either on the way
from or on the way to Latvia, travelling via Vienna. I don't yet know how
much time we'll have available:

I have explored what on-line information is available, but personal
experiences would be most useful.

Mant thanks

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au
Searching:
NOWAK - Moravia, Austria/Vienna - >
EISINGER - Moravia - >
FINKELSTEIN - Galicia, Poland
NAGEL - Austria
KRAUTERBLUTH - ? Galicia


[MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately]


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Visiting Pidvolocysk #galicia

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

I'm starting to plan for a possible trip to include Pidvolocysk (now in
Ukraine, formerly Podwolocyska in Galicia) some time next year and would be
very glad to hear privately >from people who have visited this place, and
what their experiences - good and bad - were. How did you get there, what
was transport like, what was local accomodation, what were official
formalities like etc. It'll be part of a larger trip, either on the way
from or on the way to Latvia, travelling via Vienna. I don't yet know how
much time we'll have available:

I have explored what on-line information is available, but personal
experiences would be most useful.

Mant thanks

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au
Searching:
NOWAK - Moravia, Austria/Vienna - >
EISINGER - Moravia - >
FINKELSTEIN - Galicia, Poland
NAGEL - Austria
KRAUTERBLUTH - ? Galicia


[MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately]


Yale Reisner May Tour #galicia

Marlene <mlbishow@...>
 

SAVE THE DATE!!!!!!

The Jewish Genealogy Societies of Washington, DC, Boston, Philadelphia,
Atlanta and Miami have combined resources to sponsor a speaking tour
featuring Yale Reisner. The title of his presentation will be: A MOST
EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION -- GENEALOGICAL ADVENTURES IN POLAND

BOSTON AREA
Thursday, May 19 7:00 PM
Temple Reyim
1860 Washington Street (Route 16)
West Newton, MA

WASHINGTON DC AREA
Sunday, May 22 2:00 PM
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Rubenstein Auditorium
100 Raoul Wallenberg Place SW,
Washington, DC 20006

PHILADELPHIA AREA
Monday, May 23 7:45 PM
Gratz College - Newman Building
Old York Road (Route 611) & Melrose Ave.
Melrose Park, PA

ATLANTA AREA
Tuesday May 24 7:30 PM
The Breman Jewish Heritage Museum
1440 Spring Street NW (@ 18th Street)
Atlanta, GA 30309

MIAMI AREA
Wednesday, May 25 7:00 PM
Aventura Turnberry Jewish Center
20400 NE 30th Avenue
Aventura, FL

Yale will present dramatic, moving and sometimes amusing accounts of the
work of the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy Project in Warsaw as it
helps Jews of Polish origin and Poles of Jewish origin rediscover and sort
out their often twisted roots and complex backgrounds. He will tell of
child survivors and their offspring, of family ties lost and found and of
new potential sources of information. Come and hear of your distant and
perhaps not-so-distant cousins who remain in the lands of your ancestors,
how you can help them and how they might help you.

Since 1994, Yale S. Reisner has been assisting individuals and families in
uncovering their family histories. The Lauder foundation is a non-profit
Jewish educational foundation active in 15 Central and East European
countries. Mr. Reisner holds degrees in East Central European Regional
Studies >from Columbia College and the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy
and has studied at Hebrew University, the Jewish Theological Seminary of
America, Villanova University, the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research, and
the U. S. National Archives. He has spoken at IAJGS conferences and has
published articles in the USA, Canada, and Poland.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Vice President, Programs
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Yale Reisner May Tour #galicia

Marlene <mlbishow@...>
 

SAVE THE DATE!!!!!!

The Jewish Genealogy Societies of Washington, DC, Boston, Philadelphia,
Atlanta and Miami have combined resources to sponsor a speaking tour
featuring Yale Reisner. The title of his presentation will be: A MOST
EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION -- GENEALOGICAL ADVENTURES IN POLAND

BOSTON AREA
Thursday, May 19 7:00 PM
Temple Reyim
1860 Washington Street (Route 16)
West Newton, MA

WASHINGTON DC AREA
Sunday, May 22 2:00 PM
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Rubenstein Auditorium
100 Raoul Wallenberg Place SW,
Washington, DC 20006

PHILADELPHIA AREA
Monday, May 23 7:45 PM
Gratz College - Newman Building
Old York Road (Route 611) & Melrose Ave.
Melrose Park, PA

ATLANTA AREA
Tuesday May 24 7:30 PM
The Breman Jewish Heritage Museum
1440 Spring Street NW (@ 18th Street)
Atlanta, GA 30309

MIAMI AREA
Wednesday, May 25 7:00 PM
Aventura Turnberry Jewish Center
20400 NE 30th Avenue
Aventura, FL

Yale will present dramatic, moving and sometimes amusing accounts of the
work of the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy Project in Warsaw as it
helps Jews of Polish origin and Poles of Jewish origin rediscover and sort
out their often twisted roots and complex backgrounds. He will tell of
child survivors and their offspring, of family ties lost and found and of
new potential sources of information. Come and hear of your distant and
perhaps not-so-distant cousins who remain in the lands of your ancestors,
how you can help them and how they might help you.

Since 1994, Yale S. Reisner has been assisting individuals and families in
uncovering their family histories. The Lauder foundation is a non-profit
Jewish educational foundation active in 15 Central and East European
countries. Mr. Reisner holds degrees in East Central European Regional
Studies >from Columbia College and the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy
and has studied at Hebrew University, the Jewish Theological Seminary of
America, Villanova University, the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research, and
the U. S. National Archives. He has spoken at IAJGS conferences and has
published articles in the USA, Canada, and Poland.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Vice President, Programs
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington